Honestly the idea that anyone in the fandom hated Erza and thought she was a mary sue is news to me cuz i've only ever heard praise for this amazing woman.
@@deathxanamon7211 that's just to compensate for her being able to do everything in combat, even when it makes no sense. She can swing a sword because she can, being decent at hand to hand combat because she can, even the author Mashima, couldn't think of a reason for why she is so good at what she does, to the fact that she can lose all her senses in a fight and still beat her opponent for the reason being she's erza. She doesn't have the proper fight training to be pulling those feats off. I'm no sexist don't get me wrong if they said this about someone like Goku who even has far better combat training, I would still cringe.
One thing I love about Erza is that she never gets left behind. A lot of the strong female characters in shonen usually get surpassed quickly by the main guys of the show but Erza always stays one of the strongest members of Fairy Tail and I love that Natsu and Gray don't just surpass her and leave her behind.
And the rare time the boys get a powerup to be stronger than her, it is either temporary... or then there is a timeskip and now we are back to Erza being stronger, yet again, because she likely trained in this timeskip.
that's just isn't true, most shounen has strong female characters that stay strong throughout the series, funny thing is you can go to any shounen community and you will find people praising their series being the only shounen manga where there are strong female characters, when most shounen are like that.
And the fact that characters like Natsu, who likes to fight strong characters and forms quick rivalries with them, considers Erza an equally important rival and he's constantly talking about how he wants to fight her
@@naboume466 Name 10 right now because you can't there is no shonen out there that has a consistent female character among the popular ones that has a "female character" be strong all throughout the series.
Honestly, one of the best things about Erza is how she is able to embrace her femininity, whilst still being incredibly badass and capable. In many other forms of media you’ll often find characters who will either skew from one side to the other, and they can be incredibly annoying to watch/read
Charisma is her dump stat (reminder that beauty is not charisma.) She gets bashful easily when complimented, brute-forces her way through every social encounter ("what's the situation??" *headbutts* "what's the situation??" *headbutts*), can't act her way out of a paper bag or carry a tune in a bucket etc. I love her
Her magic was explained, basically is like a different dimensions were she can store different armor and weapons. It means that she collected all the armor and weapon's
but it would have been nice if we had seen her getting the armor. at least the napagami armor could have been a nice mini arc, because that thing probably didn't just stood at some shop.
@@jonasscheftner8545 Yeah that is actually very fair. There are large gaps in time where between Erza showing up at the guild and the beginning of the series. Assuming she did not acquire any new weapons or armor throughout the series from the time period of the first episode to the final episode. Then her material space for weapons and armor has space for roughly 25 sets of weapons with armor. She somehow had to acquire all that stuff, yet as far as I recall they never actually show any scenes of it, I think as you said it could be a good arc to have perhaps maybe have a side story where it presents her helping another character with weapons. Then she tells the stories of Erza getting her first set of weapons and armor. Probably could retell how she joined the guild and got some help to go out on a mission, but after a few missions she had broken her sword and needed to get it replaced. So she asked around a few other weapon wielders, then found a blacksmith to forge some new stuff. After that she either does not have the money to pay for it all, or she has to help collect materials or something. Something involving her working hard to help make the weapons and armor, whether that means infusing materials with magic to make them easier to control or just to increase their strength. It should feel like her getting her first set had something special to it so that we could both reflect on how far she has gotten as well as allow us to see that she stands like a teacher to another guild member that is working to be a weapon expert. It should in a sense remind us of the overall growth she has gone through to the point where she is able to pass on something to someone else. Also it would be kind of funny to have a sort of money savy lesson from Erza to one of her students in terms of how she would want to save money sometimes on just buying cheap weapons at a shop, despite her probably being the top three biggest Fairytail wizards in terms of racking up debt for the guild due to destroying various cities during fights.
Everyone knows Colleen as Luffy and Gohan, but more people gotta talk about her performance as Erza. Seriously, that woman always put 1000 percent into every line.
As much as I love Colleen, Erza, and Colleen as Erza, my favorite role of hers has to be Hana from Wolf Children. A perfect mash of performance and writing elevating each other in tandem.
I love Colleen as Erza, She balances out both the feminine beauty and the sheer badassness of our favorite warrior waifu. I could see her command an army with that voice, and the soldiers would follow her. Not out of fear or obligation, but because she would inspire them to fight for their loved ones.
Give Hiro Mashima some credit. The guy may have some problems with his storytelling, but he managed to do what so many other shonen manga writers couldn’t. Make a genuinely badass female lead character who can stand on equal ground with the rest of the main characters.
I mean it's not hard to do when you just make her invincible for no reason lmao of course she's not gonna be left behing when you know she CANT lose anyway because mashima won't allow her to
Dude, all the females deserve so much more. Lucy should get a big win, Erza should of had victory, Mirajane deserve more screentimes, Juvia deserve more development.
Don't wanna be mean, but you guys are to blame for thinking they would get the same attention as the male MC.....they are known SHONEN for a reason. The same way male characters are pretty useless or evil in SHOJO animes. Sometimes we might come across special cases in shonen, but never take it for granted.
After finding out Irene’s story, her abandoning Erza was the best decision she’d ever make, she wasn’t sane to be a parent to Erza, her trauma was too much for her, can’t blame her for going insane
No but fr what Thomas said in the beginning about Fairy Tail falling to the ground without the girls is SO true. I can imagine an arc where all the girls leave to a mission and come back to find the guild is fucking destroyed
There are approximately 5 brain cells in Fairy Tail. 3 of which, belong to the girls (Levy/Lucy, Mira and Erza). Another is with Makarov and the last is with Laxus but is being used to brood.
I'm a straight man and I am right there with you on feeling uncomfortable with the weird sexual torture of Erza and finding out that it was worse in the manga is not helping
I get ya. I was 15/16 when I first came across that scene in the manga, and I was both confused and uncomfortable. They toned it down significantly in the anime, but I still felt off put.
One of the two reasons i stopped watching fairy tail one because it became repetitive and two because it had gotten way too much weird sexual moments and 'fan service' that i thought where unnecessary for the story etc and as a girl i didn't want to see all those boobs and butts and more
At the time Fairytail was one of few shonen fantasy anime that had an empressive female cast. As a wee little middle schooler im actually glad I had someone like Erza to admire!! Also Lucy, also Cana, also Levy, also Mira!
My biggest problem with the sexualization of erzas armors is that it goes extremely against her whole theme. When her armors dont cover most of her body, the analogy of Erza wearing literal and methaphorical armor just doesnt work anymore. When "clearest heart" isnt the form with the least metal armour or even least coverage of her *vulnerable* body, id argue her entire theming falls apart. So having erza go through the whole sexualisation bs actively hurts her characterisation and ark imo
Erza problem is the same that all characters from Fairy tail have: doens't matter how strong they are and how much they fight, it's always Natsu that saves the day in the end.
Me and my friends finished the Phantom Lord arc and the whole thing with Lauxus and yeah despite apparently being one of the strongest guilds all the members aside from Natsu, Gray, Erza (and Gajeel) suck ass.
@@the5thdoctor During the Tower of Heaven arc, Jellal was the main villain and had a deep connection with Erza, but Natsu was the one that defeated him. That was supposed to be Erza moment of glory. During rhe oracion six arc, Wendy was the focus of the arc, but Natsu was the one that defeated the villain. The main issue with fairy tail is that natsu ruins ithed characterz moments kf glory, since no one other than him is supposed to be the hero of the arc.
I mean that's a Shonen dynamic in general, iE One Piece arcs focused on other strawhats, but Luffy always defeats main villain. Black Clover is kinda better in that regard but Asta or Yuno get the finishing blow.
@@anna_medeia @annabenzerrouk5816 I don't think it's necessarily the fact that the protagonist beats the main villain of the arc, but the fact that Natsu tends to take away from others' character development by making things about himself. In One Piece, for example, Luffy is the one that beats the main bad guys, but he never takes away the importance of other characters' stories. In Arlong Park, he beats Arlong, but Nami and Arlong's impact on her is the main focus and Luffy's main motive to help. In Ennies Lobby, he wins against Lucci, but it doesn't overshadow Robin's past or "I want to live" moment. One more thing about One Piece is that it's never just Luffy standing up for his friends. It's not Luffy going to beat up Arlong, but Straw Hats marching together into a park to give Nami her freedom. It's not Luffy challenging the world to save Robin, it's Straw Hats standing before her and CP9, lighting that flag saying that all of them will die for her. In Fairy Tail, it's not Natsu beating the main villain, it's him becoming the center of the story. Yes, he wanted to help Erza in the Tower of Haven, but instead of showing how important Erza is to everyone, Mashima highlights Natsu's personal values. It's more about Natsu's personal view of friendship than Erza's past trauma and inability to open up. What I am trying to say is that while it's logical for Natsu to beat Jellal, he shouldn't be the star of that fight and that other members should have been there as well.
Erza as a female character is masterpiece that shounen mangakas find hard to create. She embodies femininity with strength and fortutide like a queen and a knight in one body, while also retaining childlike qualities like her awkwardness and innocence. She’s also one of the kindest characters ever. Seriously, imagine your biological mother, father and the boy you love(Jellal) all trying to kill you once in their lifetime and still retain a heart to forgive and look past all their darkness. She’s just a lovable character.
If only her final fight with her mother wasn’t trash because she was too overpowered like all your bones were broken- that’s a Mashima problem with all his fights honestly But she’s sooo cute and her personality is the best she’s a sweetheart ❤️
@@kitanaedenian2575 But like really Irene turns into a dragon and oneshots erza she then summons a meteor? For her to watch as erza propels herself and destroy the meteor then again Erza prepares to attack her and Irene just stands there again as wendy enchants erzas swords and knock out irene that's so much plot armor
The problem with Erza’s writing is that she had her character arc way too early on. But that’s by design because the Fairy Tail manga was only supposed to be 10 volumes
That's really short for a Shonen Manga (especially fighting), even One Piece original story draft after Romance Dawn was supposed to be longer (which eventually turned into a seemingly endless Manga).
I know it's a tiny little thing but to answer your question as to where Ezra's gear comes from, they're all preexisting items she collects. Ezra's Reequip: The Knight is spatial magic that swaps allows her switch out her gear out she has in a pocket dimension. She has so much gear that she has to leave some of it back at her dorm in Fairy Hills. I think they also mention somewhere that she's very skilled for a Reequip user because she can swap gear midbattle quickly. :D
I feel the knight is such a fitting name for Ezra’s ability not because it involves swords and armor but also it represents her character. Erza is a knight in the sense of she seeks power for the sake of protecting those she cares about.
Erza to me is the best female character in all of shounen anime cause she doesn't fall into the category of damsel in distress, she doesn't need to be saved cause she's the one doing the saving. Her armors are legit and she can put up a fight without breaking a sweat. This shows us that she is without a doubt one of Fairy Tail's strongest wizards. And above all she has that strict yet protective big sister persona who will fight for you whenever your in harm's way and I love her for that. And also she's gorgeous ❤!
I won't knock your conclusion but your reasons shallow? She's the best because she's no damsel in distress and can fight? What about Nuance Symbolism Depth Backstory Philosophy Etc Not to mention a lot of guys in anime are "damsel in distress"
@@Gin-San101What I meant is that she didn't need to fully rely on others to help her out, there was times where she needed help but there was also times where she was able to hold off on her own. Compare that to characters like Sakura who always needed to be saved and never once got to do something on her own without any help (the fight with lady Chiyo doesn't count cause they were fighting side by side there's a difference) basically Erza wasn't defenseless like some characters in anime where they always needed help. A character can have assistances helping them out but not able to do anything unless you have help is a whole other story.
@@queenrose2009 What about when she got saved by Makarov? Or the time she got saved by Natsu? Or the time she got saved by Laxus? Or the time she got saved by Wendy? Erza is sort of reliant on her guild members. Much like most of Fairy Tail
I've always thought of Erza as overpowered, much like Natsu, Laxus, and others. I've never thought it was a bad thing though. It's just one of the many things I like about her and Fairy Tail as a whole. Being overpowered ≠ Mary Sue at all to me. It's just cool. The meteor feat is awesome, but it pales in comparison to her stopping a fully powered Natsu and Grey with her bare hands. That scene will live rent free in my head forever. That being said, as a straight male, yeah. The fan service and overly sexual scenes are something the show/manga could definitely do without. I know my demographic is "supposed" to like it, but it seriously shatters my suspension of disbelief most of the time and definitely detracts from the show as a whole.
Yeah it's just people not knowing what a Mary Sue is (like Thomas elaborated), like yeah she's kinda overpowered but she can still struggle in fights, her power isn't the whole point of her character (she actually has a really nice personality) nor is she liked by everyone for no compelling reason.
That erza shouldnt have been able to block gray and natsu her arms shoulda been blown off While it wasnt a full power end her arms shoulda been frostbitten and burn to a crisp
I never understood how fan service bothers people but not her being able to go up against the strongest forces of the show and defy all logic. Fan service as long as it isn’t done in tense or serious moments is perfectly fine. The show has a lighthearted tone for the most part so I don’t see the issue. Now with scenes like the Kyouka torture that I can see being annoying. Although I personally liked when Erza was being put down a peg or two. But the framing could have been better.
Same, the scene where she stops the both of them is burned into my mind. It was perfect narratively, and the fight with Irene brought so much to her character arc.
Erza's sue moments are usually attributed to moments where shes physically incapable of winning yet does so anyway. The points I reLly find egregious are when she beats the demon woman with zero ability to perceive the world arround her and when she destroys a meteor with every other bone in her body broken besides her arm.
Regarding Erza's powers, I sometimes wonder if it would be more interesting if she created her armor and weapons using magic rather than just summoning them from another dimension.
Think about it this way, she had to FIND those one-of-a-kind armor. Which takes time and research (though I bet she can just get the information out of people just by staring at them to scare the ever-living shit out of them). It was stated in the Pandemonium event, her critical thinking skills were quick and solid choices. I also believe she takes care of her armor and fixes them herself; this info was either brushed over in an episode or it was during one of the OVA episodes.
It's actually much rarer in anime media for a character to be a collector of weapons, let alone armor, so incidentally it's the better choice in making her stand out in comparison to just creating what she needs.
As suggested from another commenter, a mini story on Erza collecting armor or just making it herself or with a blacksmith would be nice. At the very least would allow some story telling in terms of presenting the common struggles her powers entail with probably constantly having broken weapons to replace. Any sense of a difficulty or obstacle in a power or ability especially of a powerful character is always nice to show that they have some downsides they need to constantly handle.
I don't really think so honestly, firstly because that would essentially make her power a kind of Maker Magic, putting her right with Grey, Juvia, Laki, Rufus, and a handful of other mages, while there are only a handful of users of Requip magic in general, and she's the only one who can use that particular brand of it, except when it gets copied, and even then, she is said to be remarkably proficient in it.
Really was a huge fan of Erza the moment I met her. Early Erza was great because Mashima could control himself. You could tell as the series went on, Hiro got a bit…pent up. To the point just about every female character was getting Lucy’d. And if you understand what I meant when I used Lucy as a verb, congratulations! You, too, are in too deep! Anyway, I’m just glad that Tartarus Interrogation-like Scenes were few and far between. No, I am not biased.
Aside from actual broken, overpowered characters, the way Erza is written is probably my favorite. Someone who is as strong as they are cool, a great concept for battle, a great head on their shoulders, a kind, caring individual, and someone who, despite a laundry list of skills, feats, and achievements, rarely lets theirs confidence get the better of them. She actually underestimates herself majority of the time. Like when she takes on the 100 monster challenge. She isn’t sure she can win, she just knows that she has to, and that is so badass about her and the rest of Fairy Tail.
They explained why she is so powerful and I assumed it’s was obvious aside from the hard work she puts in to be the best and the “power of friendship” she was in her moms belly for like 1000 years while her mom was a dragon soaking up all that power before her mom got turned back into a human by Zaref and abandoned her
Erza is definitely my favorite Fairytale character also I appreciate that she really wasn't given much plot armor except maybe for her absurd magic abilities that lets her do a lot
Yes, Lucy is a good example of a female protagonist who has been developing from chapter 1 to the sequel to the manga (still not finished). I agree with what you mentioned that lucy is a prime female character
Honestly, I wouldn't doubt that the Nakagami Armor was just existing in a shop or collection somewhere. Since for over a decade, literally no one could actually use it. And Erza most likely didn't actually buy it, but rather just rented it for the games, since it would essentially turn someone into a human Achnologia. Meaning it would most likely cost both arms and legs, if it would even actually be on sale.
Erza’s powers are honestly reasonable considered the insane power levels in Fairy Tail. Pretty much every villain is a god who destroy the world with ease.
Erza is a badasss Nadeshiko : the strength in Erza Scarlet is the fact that she wholeheartedly embraces her womanhood and femininity. Japan has a traditional virtue and vision of womanhood which is called Nadeshiko. The Nadeshiko is graceful, caring, womanly, loving, brave, honest, helpful, resourceful. And this is everything Erza embodies, even though she kind of embodies slightly more than just that. Her strength doesn't come from her running away from her womanhood but stems from her desire for protection over he loved ones. That's the reason why Japanese media has such beautiful, interesting, and great female characters because they feel real and human, not political statements.
I think it's also not acknowledged as much but even though her innate magic is equip, she uses magical armor sets and has MASTERED the magic within each, which is honestly such a big thing considering this whole anime has people basically never branch out into different magical styles Yeah a lot just give attributes, but there is extra abilities in a fair few
I was nearly in tears so many times throughout this video, it’s been around a year or two that I have watched Fairy Tale and I feel so much emotions watching this. I love Erza so much, she was and will forever be my favourite character ever ❤
Had a recent argument with someone about Erza's character and he made really good points. Erza is a mary sue, not because of her character but because of the way her fight scenes were written. She had moments of receiving overdramatized damage to make the scenes more hopeless before she turns the tables just because "she's that badass". She is a badass. An S class Hero not in title alone but also in skill, which is why all her "close call" fights can feel cheap. It's a wonder why she can fail against opponents Natsu can defeat yet defeats him every time he challenges her for her rank. She's meant to be stronger, not as strong as Laxus but still the highest Rank of Wizard that can be given, making it questionable when a swordswoman is able to strike through all her strongest armors just because she lost her cool.
Sometimes you forget that Natsu was suppose to be the main character because of how often Erza would confidently and effectively steal the show. But she was competent and always knew just how to deal with the situation. And unlike Natsu's tendency to pull powerups out of nowhere, when Erza did it there was an explanation behind it. (not the best explanation, but it was still there).
Natsu pulling out power ups out of nowhere? I’d like you to name them for me because I don’t recall him ever getting power ups out of nowhere except maybe dragon force in toh
@@berzerk9380 Literally when he fought Zancrow. He was getting his ass kicked the entire fight to the point that Zancrow started going easy on him. The only reason he won was is because he "dropped his magical power to zero in order to absorb a power that conflicted with his own magic" (paraphrasing what the guild master said. Apparently _nobody_ had done such a feat, especially in the middle of a battle without having practiced it before hand and Natsu just figured out how to drop his magic to zero while he was being ragdolled. (what made it worse is that Zancrow never showed up again in the series even though he could have easily been a great and reoccurring rival to Natsu. Which only helped to further cement the fact that Zancrow's only point for existing was to make Natsu look good by jobbing to him despite being more powerful.) The filler arc with the evil spirits was also a bit on the nose with how Natsu seemed to rise up at the last moment in each of his fights despite the fact that everyone kept saying how dangerous the spirits were at the time. But that's a filler fight so I'll let it pass. The fight with the dragonslayers of light and darkness was also something of an asspull but not directly. Ultimately Natsu was just stronger than the two put together... but the fact that they hyped the two up so much, so much that it was almost nauseating, to then have Natsu absolutely own them made the outcome of the fight less a grand moment of achievement for Natsu, but a sad disappointment of the power and relevance of his opponents.
@@andrewowens4421 I’ll let you have the zancrow one. That could be seen as one. Now when it comes to the filler arc. I honestly couldn’t care less about it. I didn’t watch the anime, I read the manga. Natsu beating both of them was a combination of him being more skilled and more powerful then them. That wasn’t even remotely an asspull. And natsu dominating them after they gassed themselves up so much was the point of the conflict between sabertooth and fairy tail.
@@andrewowens4421 and I don’t see the point of zancrow’s existence as him being there to make natsu look powerful. Because that definitely wasn’t the case at all. He lost because Nastu was being smart. I see it as him being there introduce the concept of god slayer magic. Which is without a doubt an integral part of the final arc.
@@tempest_2222but the universe doesn't bend to her, she isn't even the main character. She has her moments in the arcs but like it's Natsu's show from beginning to end. Also Erza gets defeated plenty of times. Like she isn't invincible or unstoppable. And she never really bends the rules of the magic system.
@@xenrusxenomorph2268 you missed my point. erza has flaws but her flaws are what make her perfect. being flawless makes a character boring and insufferable. erza’s flaws make her more human
Ezra deafeating Irene was one of the most unbelievable things in the story. With her win over Azuma in the Tenrogima arc being the second unbelievable win Other wins by fairy tail mages are also unbelievable, like Gray winning against Rufus.
I always found it weird that Lucy had not heard of Erza since she’s such a fan of fairy tail. She does go out and find armor and have new ones commissioned from rare creatures etc it’s in an ova she’s kinda like an almost infinite pocket that she can yank them out of because in the ova it shows her room with some that are too garish or not useful
Another badass Erza moment is when she faces the 100 monsters in the Grand Magic Games, proving that, yes, Fairy Tail is the strongest guild and it is back. Everyone is crying and I am crying.
@@chillmode4lifeHate's a very strong word, but the fanservice is very much what drove me away after a bit, plus I got more invested in many other series.
I really appreciate these videos because not too many people talk about fairy tail like this. It was the first anime I ever really got into, & while I’m way more than aware of its shortcomings and it’s been a while since I’ve given it much thought, it still holds a special place for me. Erza especially! It’s been about 10 years or so since I first watched the show in middle school and “you don’t die for your friends, you live for them” has stuck with me ever since. It was kind of revolutionary for me then & I think there’s something to that.
Erza being called a Mary Sue is in response to her defeating Kyouka with 0 senses and one shotting a dragon with every single bone in her body broken. Arguing against that is nothing short of delusion, sorry. No male character does such ridiculous feats. And I actually adored Erza until she became dull power.
I’ve started watching Fairy Tail with my friends and I haven’t seen anything that has Ezra being a Mary Sue, even with my limited knowledge of the series I thought she was loved by pretty much everyone.
Let's be real. MOST of Fairy Tail's cast is amazing and deserved better than what they got. Erza isn't even the most egregious example IMO. If you ask me, that dishonor goes to Mirajane.
Mary sue? Erza not a mary sue, she a strong woman who often have emotion issue from her past, her love for the guild is truly incredible and i think she have the funny scene whenever she get some screentime plus gotta love her for her love of cake, she one of my favorite characters
Erza is a woman who is always breaking the bank in preparation and is skilled to end anyone and her armours she probably has been collecting them for years
Honestly I'm just a general Fairy Tail lover. Erza has always been one of my favorite characters. I will say that if you don't follow fairy tale lore closely, a lot of the characters feel like Sues, especially Natsu. Natsu however is still my boy, but on the other hand it does largely annoy me when some other characters I really like don't get their chance to shine because of him. I understand why people have a problem with him ending the Tower of heaven arc, but personally I really liked it because it felt like Natsu, which symbolizes the heart and ideals of the Fairy Tail guild, was reeling Erza back, and helping her to realize that closing up her heart to the guild wasn't an option. Fairy Tail shares one heart. I understand that to those who might not be as invested that Natsu might seem like a sue, and the seemingly ridiculous a**pulls don't help, but it makes a lot more sense to those who actually know how E.N.D. works. Though personally I feel that it is just because of the fact that, like I said earlier, Natsu is the embodiment of Fairy Tail. That's why Natsu is so centrally focused. It's not because he has the most built up and emotional story or because he has the most important role or plot to overcome. It's because Natsu himself is Fairy Tail personified.
erza being sexualised just feels wrong to me because of her past, i only like when shes confident in herself relating to her sexuality but when shes harassed or oogled by male characters it pisses me off!!!!! basically feel this way to all the girls because they’re all such good characters but theres always perverts… amazing video :3
im just glad Kyouka is a girl because if it was man torturing her it would of been even WORSE to watch, its already cringe and just gross and uncomfortable but it coukd have been more horrific
I love Fairy Tail. It's one of my favorite anime. I also adore Erza. She's my second favorite character, coming right after Lucy. Thus, it is incredibly irritating to deal with criticisms of her character that hold almost no weight or truth. It's not that Erza is completely void of problems with how she's written. However, a lot of the criticism feels like it stems from her being a female character, thus the critiques seem much more unfair. I could rave on and on about how so many of my favorite fictional characters face unfair criticism based, maybe not solely, but majorly on the fact that they are girls, but I don't want this comment to turn into a 15-page long college essay. Amy Rose from Sonic the Hedgehog, Edelgard from Fire Emblem: Three Houses, Korra from The Legend of Korra. Again, these characters are not void of criticism. However, the way many people will talk about them will make them seem like their terribly written characters as a whole. Less than flattering moments will be used as a base for an argument, while completely ignoring other aspects of their character. Character motivations and arcs will be ignored for the sake of making a character seem much worse than they are. Flaws and failures will be viewed as reasons for why a character is bad as opposed to acknowledging that they are still growing and learning. These issues plague female characters much more than male characters. Honestly, with how much criticism female characters face as a whole, it can make a person wonder if it's even possible to write a well-written female character at all. No matter what personality or traits a female character has, someone will take issue with it. If a female character is nice, then they're boring. If a female character is confident, then she's a bitch. If a female character is strong, then they're overpowered. If a female character is intelligent, then they're cold-hearted. If a female character is energetic, then she's annoying. Women just can't seem to win, can they? I genuinely try to be a person who is open-minded about other people's opinions. I fully understand that certain characters will resonate much more with certain people and not so much with others, and that's fine. However, that open-mindedness can only go so far when the critiques seem incredibly unfair. No one likes seeing harsh, biased views of a character they love. Especially when this prejudice is spread widely throughout a fandom. Because what are you supposed to do? You know the critiques are unfair, but fighting back against them, no matter how well put together and truthful your argument is, people will just call you stupid or biased. Speaking from my own experience, it's not an enjoyable time. It's not fair to female characters, it's not fair to writers, and it's not fair to women as a whole.
This was very well put together, and while this comment is a few days late and you may not even see it, I fully understand what you mean. I have a few characters I like, especially the female ones, and I admit I like a lot of male characters too, and I see people criticizing them or downright disliking them, but I hear more complaints, or ten times the amount, for the female characters I like. The biggest one? Sakura from Naruto I know and accept the valid arguments and critiques of her character, and I get why people disliked her in Naruto, but to me, it made her growth so much more compelling as she aged and got better, and now people can't seem to let that go! People don't have to like her, but they refuse to see any of her good qualities. How can I admit and agree when a character I like did sucky things and acknowledge them, but you can't acknowledge any of their good traits? I get called biased, simp, stan, etc. all the time, and when people start insulting me, just take it as a win. They can't come up with a proper defense at that point; that is how you know you won. I once read something and made a comment about a character in it who they admitted they didn't like, and in the chapter they were overly critical and harsh on said character, even though they let similar things they were critiquing go when it was about a character they did like. It was obviously biased, but instead they called ME biased. All I said was, Why include a character you dislike if you aren't going to be fair to them? All they are here for now is to be a punching bag of insults. I liked that story, and it was well written; that was my only complaint. These things seem to go hard on female characters, and I think it might stem from the fact that a lot of people may, for some reason, feel threatened by the character. I have seen people who like shipping hate a female because she is 'getting in the way' of the ship. or they self-insert on a fictional character and, in doing so, can't accept any female being close to that character. This whole problem also affects male characters who aren't conventionally attractive. If a character isn't attractive, they are also very harshly criticized. ten times that of a character who is good-looking and has done worse. I once saw someone say the villains in MHA should be let go guilt-free and just give therapy because they are hurt babies, but then insist Endeavor needs to go to jail forever, even though the villains have done worse crimes than him. Same with Mineta; he is an average comedy relief character, nothing new as most shows have one of those, and while it can be annoying and they tend to not have much character going beyond being an over-the-top sleazeball, there are so many shows where a character like that is beloved. The thing is, a lot of people don't bring up the fact that many of the characters similar to Mineta are good-looking, so the flaw of being a massive, over-the-top flirt who loves women tends to be overlooked, but if they aren't attractive, They are an awful character with zero good flaws! creep! I admit, Mineta doesn't have much depth, but even if he did, I doubt many would like him more. Like Sakura, it is in fashion to make fun of and hate them. Even if they gain depth later on or grow, it won't change the vast majority from hating them just because it is in trend to do so. I feel like trying to have a discussion like this is like talking to brick walls. Females get the brunt of it, and the characters, male or female, who the majority of the fandom doesn't find attractive will often face harsher critique over every little thing they do than their popular and attractive counterparts.
100% facts in the video. Ezra is a badass and is not a sue. Why can’t we just have strong female characters without calling them a sue automatically? Also lowkey wanna comment about Natsu being a sue…..kind of agree because how much attention he gets from other characters arcs feels a little odd to me when I first watch the show. I do still love Natsu but feel like he doesn’t deserve some moments in the arcs.
Erza was like one of the best characters from Fairy Tail but after Season 3 shit just went downhill. The fan service became more abundant and as a female viewer that turned me off from fairy tail. Wendy was like a little ass kid and they still threw fan service her way which scares me. The power ups and how the characters were able to do certain bullshit is crazy as well. Also that weird torture and sexual scene is just a no go for me. Fairy tail just wasn't the same for me anymore.
When was wendy sexualized ?? The fanservice in the final season isnt even that bad it’s practically the same as it was before Most of characters dont pull shit out of their ass there is generally explanation’s theres very few exceptions to this rule
@@ReidnReactn Eh I stopped watching fairy tail a long time ago but if you Google Wendy's name you'll definitely see some scenes where she was put in a fan service situation. Also I still think when Erza had all of her bones broken in her body it made absolutely 0 zero sense on how she was able to shoot herself up to break a meteorite. Just my personal opinion lol take it with a grain of salt.
The only time I ever thought erza was even close to mary sue. Is ironically the kyouka fight. She literally loses all of her 5 senses. Is basically in a void. And then just.... fights normally anyway? I dont remember if they gave any kind of explanation she just does it.
The explanation given was that when she lost her 5 senses her 6th sense got more strong, but Happy for some motive says right after the explanation that "she won cuz she's Erza", I hate when Happy says that cuz it feels like Mashima himself is invalidating his own writing and giving fuel to the haters and the people who says Erza is a mary sue on purpose.
Erza Scarlet is probably one of the best female role models you could ever have, and a wife anyone would be lucky to have. Not just strong and not just beautiful but also has a VERY cute side as well as a VERY dominant side. Not to mention what kind of mother she would be with her extremely supportive, caring, domineering personality she has.
I think people forget the mere fact that ever since she is introduced, and very early on in the series, she is described as being "strong as the ten wizard saints," a sentient shared by MULTIPLE parties, in multiple arcs. One does not get to be as strong as the top ten ranked wizards with being a pushover. Of course she eventually overpowers her opponents once she realizes what she is facing and has an answer to everything. Because she is as strong as the strongest wizards on the continent. It would be hard to find someone stronger than her, and it is. Not "because she's Erza" but because she is this powerful, and has been since the beginning, and has been training since the beginning WITH everyone. Of course power scaling is off in the scheme of that because we see how much everyone else has grown - but she has always been strong - so it looks like she fell behind when she realistically, never had. Her magic is literally called the "knight." What are knights good at? Defensive maneuvers. Of course she has an answer to nearly every scenario she finds herself in. If you pay attention to literally ANY of Erza's fights - her accuracy is horrendous and she misses the mark with a lot of her weaponry and magical prowess. She gets through with her sheer determination, as well as her immense durability. That, in essence, IS her magic - being durable - being the knight that protects those she holds dear to her heart; she even said she would give up all of her strength, to still be able to do that, and that she was never strong; that it was all a lie and that she wore armor and the attitude she had, so no one could see she was broken.
Don't forget the Lesbians who are enjoying the fanservice XP That aside Erza is one of my favorite character in Fairy tail, strong, and scary but also sweet, caring and compassion, it's always fun to see her on screen being a bad bitch or a loveable dork.
Erza’s always been my favourite character in Fairy Tail, with Laxus as a close second. She always felt like the most well written, most consistently badass character who had the most non-Natsu spotlight (I like Natsu but yh he really does soak up too much glory). You could sick Natsu on whatever bad guy and he’ll find a way to grit down and win even if he’s not necessarily strong enough at base, but Erza felt like the one really keeping people safe. More than Natsu or Gildarts or even Makarov, she felt like the pillar of the guild. Her being called a Mary Sue, she’s strong and well respected but both of those things are earned.
I'm actually surprised that Erza is thought of as an overpowered Mary Sue. It's been a while since I watched this show but I remember her mostly as a consistent victim of the Worf Effect.
I always loved Erza so much. I feel like if we want a Mary Sue example: Natsu is like that, I'm nto going to lie. He stole a lot of the spotlight from other charaters that needed the development, and I did feel sad that Lucy couldn't get her shine without Natsu around. But (and I'm aware this is probably fighting words for some) also Gurran Laggan's Yukko outside of Fairy Tail. Erza is flaws done right. Erza was Trauma done right. Erza was Kick ass don't right. Yukko was not. I probably would have enjoyed Yukko if they made an actual effort to have her learning from her petty behavior with *children*. She was the adult in comparison to Nina and Simon and she treated them as if they were both benethed her and yet also jealous of the attention they got over her (I could go even farther of the issues but I rather just keep it as a comparison to how Erza was done right in comparison). Erza actually learned from her insecurities. Erza was not perfect but she was willing to actually work out her own issues when presented to her. I bet a lot of the people who think Erza was a Mary Sue would have thought a charater like Yukko was well written.
Me and my brother kinda go back and fourth on erza a lot(fairy tail in general, i love the series, he doesnt, but this is about Erza) i love Erzas character, she has some of the best moments, one of my favorite arcs, shes also just kinda a dork being real, but in the best way, the way she loves theater in the filler, loves strawberries and overall when shes not fighting just being fun to watch makes me love her more, and her VA does a beyond perfect job as her! my brother says shes an annoying narcissist, like when she got pissed at everyone for going on an S class mission for in his words, no real good reason, at least if i remember correctly, bit either way, i think hes wrong, and that Erza is amazing, how can i not love her so much? Long live the fairy Queen!
I once considered Natsu my favorite character, but now that title goes to the Queen of the Fairies herself after thinking alot about it. And she deserves it.
Okay but the fact that Grey is the one that can make Erza realize that what is good is to help people and not respect the law, i think it can be realated to how Erza and Grey are the first main character to arrived to te guild, they have the longent freidnship in all of the main characters
Tbh, Erza is also my fav gal in FT. I loved her the moment she first appeared and I'm so hyped to see 100YQ being adapted into anime form just to see her again. :3 Also, while the JP VA's for FT, were all amazing as well. I just feel like the EN VA's for it, can bring just as much emotion and passion as they do, if not more imho.
later in the anime erza cries with both eyes & it’s always driven me a little crazy. you can’t use her prosthetic eye to help the plot with magic resistance then forget about it immediately afterwards when she’s crying 😭
The most important thing about Ezra’s arch is her growth. She is not a Mary Sue because she is not simply “born awesome”. She grows and improves along the journey, becoming the powerhouse she is meant to be. 🔥
Honestly people need to look up the definition of Mary Sue: Mary Sue is the term used to describe a fictional female character who has no flaws, is good at everything, always wins, and is loved by all, with Gary Stu being the male equivalent.
The only thing I dont agree with in this video is that people in the anime community DON'T criticize Gary Stus. There are a lot of them that people will actknowledge are Gary Stus(prime one is Kirito). I just feel like people are more sensitive when it comes to women, whether you are defending a character or insulting them, which is why it seems like more focused on women then men, when it really isn't. Its just that most people dont feel the need to fight over it like if a woman is called a Mary Sue. Also, the guys in FT are DEFINITELY sexualized for women, like how the girls are for men. They arent just made rip for men, like how the women arent just made hot for women. Xant we all just agree that men and women get sexualized in the show. Both are shown either fully naked or partially all over the series and its fine. If its not your thing(not soecifically the creator of the video) then thats fine. I actually dont like fan service cause seeing anyone sexualized, man or woman, bothers me in real life so it does in fiction too. But if its just how the show is and entertaining I dont really care and you know what.........sometimes its nice to look at pretty people regarless of sexual preference or gender. Also people so think Natsu is a Gary Stu, but again, people just dont seem to feel the need to fight AS MUCH about it as with the women. There are fights, they just arent as.....vicious or loud as with the girls. But nontheless, Erza is the Queen of the Fairies for sure and amazing. Personally Levy and Lucy are my #1 darlings but Erza is definitely my #2 girl. I love characters like her
You've gone and done it. You've convinced me to finally give Fairy Tail a chance after years of actively avoiding it because of its depictions of women. And like, yea, it's still kinda weird in that regard but it's a solid show and now I'm hooked!! Also Erza is my favourite character, I love her sm.
i haven't even watched the video yet but i agree 100%!! i remember getting into anime for the first time and she immediately became one of my first female character crushes, not only because i thought she was beautiful and loved her design, but also because she was one of the few well-written female characters in anime at the time, and she actually felt real and likeable. i always saw sm hype for lucy and how she was the best female character, and she's great, but i always felt like erza had more depth and lore than lucy despite being a deuteragonist and not the primary main character. her arc and backstory always really hit whenever i rewatch it and her want to always protect her friends always resonated with me i love her smm
50:10 The reason Natsu fights Zancrow is to save Makarov, you really wouldn't expect Natsu to cold-bloodeldy abandon Makarov for Zancrow to kill him, would you? 40:18 It is likely that this is on purpose, since if we look closely, most of the men are petrified and Erza takes the opportunity to attack, it is something like the scene on the boat, Erza is aware of her sexuality and uses it to her advantage. And some designs are justified, for example, the Black wind armor needs to fly, and therefore have less weight and bee lighter, the leopard armor also, being speed armor needs to be as light as possible. 33:28 You also have to take into account that a whole year passed, Erza could have had plenty of time to recover.
I agree that Erza isn't a mary-sue, but I also have to disagree with you on the idea that Natsu is a Gary-Stu, he just has a lot of lucky and/or unjustified victories. And even then he has had to struggle for those victories even when he received unjustified deus ex machina power-ups (Like in his fight against Zero during the Oracion Seis Arc). His previous fight with Cobra is the perfect example of this, he could barely get a hit in on Cobra due to him exploiting his heightened senses and predicting his every move. Granted he still won that fight due to him accidentally exploiting Cobra's weakness (being sound), but he still would've gotten bodied in that specific moment. There's also plenty of fights where Natsu gets his ass kicked (His fights with Fukuro, His first fight with with Laxus as well as his 2nd one where he only won because Gajeel helped him out, He fought with Ultear in the Tenrou Island arc and was taken out with one attack, I could go on). He doesn't have too many flaws that actually come into play and is much like most shonen protagonists in the sense that he's a dumb meathead, but he's a dumb meathead that goes through hell and back for his friends. Natsu has plenty of "Gary-Stu" moments, but it doesn't make him 100% a gary-stu, because he's destructive, unruly, reckless, and as you mentioned a "Dumbass". If we apply this same logic to Erza though, she too has her mary-sue moments, especially in the later seasons where she hardly goes through any real development. She destroyed a goddamn meteor with insanely low magic power, a broken arm, and two broken legs. You mention this in the video and how if Natsu was doing it we would be praising it to high heaven... I mean sure.... if he didn't have literally 3 out of his 4 limbs broken. Why is it hype for Erza to have moments where she illogically pulls off feats of incredible strength but not Natsu? How did she see when she fought Kyoka and had her senses taken away with excruciating pain following her? Happy explained it as "She's Erza!" That's literally a Mary-Sue moment right there. This doesn't MAKE HER a Mary-Sue, she just has mary-sue moments. Erza is clearly not perfect and goes through a LOT of struggle that affects her greatly. Why is it that Natsu is a Gary Stu but Erza has several moments where she gets illogically earned victories through fighting harder and she's not? Seems like a bit of a double standard if you ask me.
This is interesting, I rarely ever heard the Mary Sue remark thrown at Erza before Most powerscaling complainta I ever heard were aimed at the show in general, not towards a single character
well for natsu being a sue, the last season and his fight with zeref come to mind, what was that.. he literally one punched the guy, the biggest baddest demon creating dark wizard of all time, and he gets punched and goes out. NO
Honestly the idea that anyone in the fandom hated Erza and thought she was a mary sue is news to me cuz i've only ever heard praise for this amazing woman.
I heard that mostly from people who didn't like Fairy Tail and it's power of friendship in the first place.
I’m surprised that people are calling her a mary sue.
@@zoeanimations2186 she's a Mary sue for sure.
@@kesenaememere8520how? A mary Sue is someone that is perfect in every way, Erza is known to be silly, get angry easily and not the brightest person.
@@deathxanamon7211 that's just to compensate for her being able to do everything in combat, even when it makes no sense. She can swing a sword because she can, being decent at hand to hand combat because she can, even the author Mashima, couldn't think of a reason for why she is so good at what she does, to the fact that she can lose all her senses in a fight and still beat her opponent for the reason being she's erza. She doesn't have the proper fight training to be pulling those feats off. I'm no sexist don't get me wrong if they said this about someone like Goku who even has far better combat training, I would still cringe.
One thing I love about Erza is that she never gets left behind. A lot of the strong female characters in shonen usually get surpassed quickly by the main guys of the show but Erza always stays one of the strongest members of Fairy Tail and I love that Natsu and Gray don't just surpass her and leave her behind.
And the rare time the boys get a powerup to be stronger than her, it is either temporary... or then there is a timeskip and now we are back to Erza being stronger, yet again, because she likely trained in this timeskip.
that's just isn't true, most shounen has strong female characters that stay strong throughout the series, funny thing is you can go to any shounen community and you will find people praising their series being the only shounen manga where there are strong female characters, when most shounen are like that.
Natsu surpasses gray and erza it isn’t directly stated but its shown by natsu beating characters that would beat erza or gray
And the fact that characters like Natsu, who likes to fight strong characters and forms quick rivalries with them, considers Erza an equally important rival and he's constantly talking about how he wants to fight her
@@naboume466 Name 10 right now because you can't there is no shonen out there that has a consistent female character among the popular ones that has a "female character" be strong all throughout the series.
Honestly, one of the best things about Erza is how she is able to embrace her femininity, whilst still being incredibly badass and capable. In many other forms of media you’ll often find characters who will either skew from one side to the other, and they can be incredibly annoying to watch/read
Yes she is balanced
Erza isn't just lawful good. She's lawful good with intelligence and wisdom as dump stats. I love her.
Naw, her WIS is decent, her her INT is her downfall. I would say charisma too but intimidation is a charisma skill sooooo…..
@@teapotspooks8102 The DM let's her use her STR modifier for intimidation.
@@thunderflare59mine definitely does.
She's like a Fighter/Sorcerer multiclass
Charisma is her dump stat (reminder that beauty is not charisma.) She gets bashful easily when complimented, brute-forces her way through every social encounter ("what's the situation??" *headbutts* "what's the situation??" *headbutts*), can't act her way out of a paper bag or carry a tune in a bucket etc. I love her
Her magic was explained, basically is like a different dimensions were she can store different armor and weapons. It means that she collected all the armor and weapon's
but it would have been nice if we had seen her getting the armor. at least the napagami armor could have been a nice mini arc, because that thing probably didn't just stood at some shop.
Isn't there an OVA where we can see Erza owning like 5 rooms just to store all her armor and weapons?
I think she just teleports them to her to equip
@@ChocomelJuice No... those rooms are for her armors that cant fit anymore on her pocket space if I remember correctly.
@@jonasscheftner8545 Yeah that is actually very fair. There are large gaps in time where between Erza showing up at the guild and the beginning of the series. Assuming she did not acquire any new weapons or armor throughout the series from the time period of the first episode to the final episode. Then her material space for weapons and armor has space for roughly 25 sets of weapons with armor. She somehow had to acquire all that stuff, yet as far as I recall they never actually show any scenes of it,
I think as you said it could be a good arc to have perhaps maybe have a side story where it presents her helping another character with weapons. Then she tells the stories of Erza getting her first set of weapons and armor. Probably could retell how she joined the guild and got some help to go out on a mission, but after a few missions she had broken her sword and needed to get it replaced. So she asked around a few other weapon wielders, then found a blacksmith to forge some new stuff. After that she either does not have the money to pay for it all, or she has to help collect materials or something. Something involving her working hard to help make the weapons and armor, whether that means infusing materials with magic to make them easier to control or just to increase their strength.
It should feel like her getting her first set had something special to it so that we could both reflect on how far she has gotten as well as allow us to see that she stands like a teacher to another guild member that is working to be a weapon expert. It should in a sense remind us of the overall growth she has gone through to the point where she is able to pass on something to someone else. Also it would be kind of funny to have a sort of money savy lesson from Erza to one of her students in terms of how she would want to save money sometimes on just buying cheap weapons at a shop, despite her probably being the top three biggest Fairytail wizards in terms of racking up debt for the guild due to destroying various cities during fights.
@@jonasscheftner8545 it wasn't an armor but in the first movie she buys a wedding dress and added it to her armors and later on she fought with it
Everyone knows Colleen as Luffy and Gohan, but more people gotta talk about her performance as Erza. Seriously, that woman always put 1000 percent into every line.
As much as I love Colleen, Erza, and Colleen as Erza, my favorite role of hers has to be Hana from Wolf Children. A perfect mash of performance and writing elevating each other in tandem.
mother fucker just broke my brain
I love Colleen as Erza, She balances out both the feminine beauty and the sheer badassness of our favorite warrior waifu. I could see her command an army with that voice, and the soldiers would follow her. Not out of fear or obligation, but because she would inspire them to fight for their loved ones.
@@stormstrider1990 Colleen's deep voice can easily command respect and fear, even if she's just reading her grocery list
Oh THATS why she sounds familiar- she also did Momo Yaoyorozu in MHA.
Actually whadamIsaying, I watched way more FT than mha
Give Hiro Mashima some credit. The guy may have some problems with his storytelling, but he managed to do what so many other shonen manga writers couldn’t. Make a genuinely badass female lead character who can stand on equal ground with the rest of the main characters.
All of his ladies are awesome and in their own ways
I mean it's not hard to do when you just make her invincible for no reason lmao of course she's not gonna be left behing when you know she CANT lose anyway because mashima won't allow her to
@@tunderdiamant8651 She lost a few times before. Erza was not invincible.
@@phantomslay5612 when did she lose a fight and not win it After ?
@@tunderdiamant8651 against Jose
I still think that Mirajane was the one who really deserves better
absolutly
For me it’s gotta be Juvia, girls whole personality is rlly just about Gray 😢
Dude, all the females deserve so much more. Lucy should get a big win, Erza should of had victory, Mirajane deserve more screentimes, Juvia deserve more development.
@@rossjones8656read 100yr quest lucy gets big wins and ill agree on juvia but the rest no
Don't wanna be mean, but you guys are to blame for thinking they would get the same attention as the male MC.....they are known SHONEN for a reason. The same way male characters are pretty useless or evil in SHOJO animes. Sometimes we might come across special cases in shonen, but never take it for granted.
After finding out Irene’s story, her abandoning Erza was the best decision she’d ever make, she wasn’t sane to be a parent to Erza, her trauma was too much for her, can’t blame her for going insane
No but fr what Thomas said in the beginning about Fairy Tail falling to the ground without the girls is SO true.
I can imagine an arc where all the girls leave to a mission and come back to find the guild is fucking destroyed
There are approximately 5 brain cells in Fairy Tail.
3 of which, belong to the girls (Levy/Lucy, Mira and Erza). Another is with Makarov and the last is with Laxus but is being used to brood.
that last line fukin killed me and burried my corpse in the woods lmao@@christiandelcarmen1278
The funny thing is, it has NOTHING to do with girls vs boys. That's just how the guys are 🤣
I'm a straight man and I am right there with you on feeling uncomfortable with the weird sexual torture of Erza and finding out that it was worse in the manga is not helping
I get ya. I was 15/16 when I first came across that scene in the manga, and I was both confused and uncomfortable. They toned it down significantly in the anime, but I still felt off put.
One of the two reasons i stopped watching fairy tail one because it became repetitive and two because it had gotten way too much weird sexual moments and 'fan service' that i thought where unnecessary for the story etc and as a girl i didn't want to see all those boobs and butts and more
Literally was the reason I stopped reading & all my love for the series died.
@@arbitrary_raspberryhow tf did fairy tail feel repetitive and while the fanservice is annoying its not as annoying as everyone makes it out to be
yes it is
@@ReidnReactn
At the time Fairytail was one of few shonen fantasy anime that had an empressive female cast. As a wee little middle schooler im actually glad I had someone like Erza to admire!! Also Lucy, also Cana, also Levy, also Mira!
There's more than people give credit for
I can name 10
My biggest problem with the sexualization of erzas armors is that it goes extremely against her whole theme. When her armors dont cover most of her body, the analogy of Erza wearing literal and methaphorical armor just doesnt work anymore. When "clearest heart" isnt the form with the least metal armour or even least coverage of her *vulnerable* body, id argue her entire theming falls apart. So having erza go through the whole sexualisation bs actively hurts her characterisation and ark imo
I dont blame you for that idea. Just a let down of kinda poor writing.
ill always remember erza killing all 100 monsters in the grand magic games. just all 100, on her own, that was amazing
Erza problem is the same that all characters from Fairy tail have: doens't matter how strong they are and how much they fight, it's always Natsu that saves the day in the end.
Me and my friends finished the Phantom Lord arc and the whole thing with Lauxus and yeah despite apparently being one of the strongest guilds all the members aside from Natsu, Gray, Erza (and Gajeel) suck ass.
@@the5thdoctor During the Tower of Heaven arc, Jellal was the main villain and had a deep connection with Erza, but Natsu was the one that defeated him. That was supposed to be Erza moment of glory.
During rhe oracion six arc, Wendy was the focus of the arc, but Natsu was the one that defeated the villain.
The main issue with fairy tail is that natsu ruins ithed characterz moments kf glory, since no one other than him is supposed to be the hero of the arc.
I mean that's a Shonen dynamic in general, iE One Piece arcs focused on other strawhats, but Luffy always defeats main villain. Black Clover is kinda better in that regard but Asta or Yuno get the finishing blow.
@@anna_medeia @annabenzerrouk5816 I don't think it's necessarily the fact that the protagonist beats the main villain of the arc, but the fact that Natsu tends to take away from others' character development by making things about himself. In One Piece, for example, Luffy is the one that beats the main bad guys, but he never takes away the importance of other characters' stories. In Arlong Park, he beats Arlong, but Nami and Arlong's impact on her is the main focus and Luffy's main motive to help. In Ennies Lobby, he wins against Lucci, but it doesn't overshadow Robin's past or "I want to live" moment. One more thing about One Piece is that it's never just Luffy standing up for his friends. It's not Luffy going to beat up Arlong, but Straw Hats marching together into a park to give Nami her freedom. It's not Luffy challenging the world to save Robin, it's Straw Hats standing before her and CP9, lighting that flag saying that all of them will die for her.
In Fairy Tail, it's not Natsu beating the main villain, it's him becoming the center of the story. Yes, he wanted to help Erza in the Tower of Haven, but instead of showing how important Erza is to everyone, Mashima highlights Natsu's personal values. It's more about Natsu's personal view of friendship than Erza's past trauma and inability to open up. What I am trying to say is that while it's logical for Natsu to beat Jellal, he shouldn't be the star of that fight and that other members should have been there as well.
That's definitely a good point.@@GlupiTsundere
Erza as a female character is masterpiece that shounen mangakas find hard to create. She embodies femininity with strength and fortutide like a queen and a knight in one body, while also retaining childlike qualities like her awkwardness and innocence. She’s also one of the kindest characters ever. Seriously, imagine your biological mother, father and the boy you love(Jellal) all trying to kill you once in their lifetime and still retain a heart to forgive and look past all their darkness. She’s just a lovable character.
If only her final fight with her mother wasn’t trash because she was too overpowered like all your bones were broken- that’s a Mashima problem with all his fights honestly
But she’s sooo cute and her personality is the best she’s a sweetheart ❤️
A Mashima thing? You mean it that applies to all of his mainstream manga like Edens Zero?
Dude, that's most Anima.
What u talking about? Irene washed her . Irene killed herself
@@kitanaedenian2575 But like really Irene turns into a dragon and oneshots erza she then summons a meteor? For her to watch as erza propels herself and destroy the meteor then again Erza prepares to attack her and Irene just stands there again as wendy enchants erzas swords and knock out irene that's so much plot armor
The problem with Erza’s writing is that she had her character arc way too early on. But that’s by design because the Fairy Tail manga was only supposed to be 10 volumes
That’s not that long is it?
That's really short for a Shonen Manga (especially fighting), even One Piece original story draft after Romance Dawn was supposed to be longer (which eventually turned into a seemingly endless Manga).
@@thomasraines1396 Nope. Mashima didn’t want to do another long series after Rave Master but enjoyed drawing FT so much that he kept it going
@@miamaru414 oh alright. Thank you.
I never thought she was a sue when I watched it.
She’s just one of the queens.
I know it's a tiny little thing but to answer your question as to where Ezra's gear comes from, they're all preexisting items she collects. Ezra's Reequip: The Knight is spatial magic that swaps allows her switch out her gear out she has in a pocket dimension. She has so much gear that she has to leave some of it back at her dorm in Fairy Hills. I think they also mention somewhere that she's very skilled for a Reequip user because she can swap gear midbattle quickly. :D
I feel the knight is such a fitting name for Ezra’s ability not because it involves swords and armor but also it represents her character. Erza is a knight in the sense of she seeks power for the sake of protecting those she cares about.
Erza to me is the best female character in all of shounen anime cause she doesn't fall into the category of damsel in distress, she doesn't need to be saved cause she's the one doing the saving. Her armors are legit and she can put up a fight without breaking a sweat. This shows us that she is without a doubt one of Fairy Tail's strongest wizards. And above all she has that strict yet protective big sister persona who will fight for you whenever your in harm's way and I love her for that. And also she's gorgeous ❤!
Do you know jojo's part 6 ?
I won't knock your conclusion but your reasons shallow?
She's the best because she's no damsel in distress and can fight?
What about
Nuance
Symbolism
Depth
Backstory
Philosophy
Etc
Not to mention a lot of guys in anime are "damsel in distress"
@@Gin-San101What I meant is that she didn't need to fully rely on others to help her out, there was times where she needed help but there was also times where she was able to hold off on her own. Compare that to characters like Sakura who always needed to be saved and never once got to do something on her own without any help (the fight with lady Chiyo doesn't count cause they were fighting side by side there's a difference) basically Erza wasn't defenseless like some characters in anime where they always needed help. A character can have assistances helping them out but not able to do anything unless you have help is a whole other story.
@@queenrose2009 What about when she got saved by Makarov? Or the time she got saved by Natsu? Or the time she got saved by Laxus? Or the time she got saved by Wendy? Erza is sort of reliant on her guild members. Much like most of Fairy Tail
It’s funny how you explain what a Mary sue is “bending” reality then Bloom pops up in a video about fairy tail 😂
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I've always thought of Erza as overpowered, much like Natsu, Laxus, and others. I've never thought it was a bad thing though. It's just one of the many things I like about her and Fairy Tail as a whole. Being overpowered ≠ Mary Sue at all to me. It's just cool. The meteor feat is awesome, but it pales in comparison to her stopping a fully powered Natsu and Grey with her bare hands. That scene will live rent free in my head forever.
That being said, as a straight male, yeah. The fan service and overly sexual scenes are something the show/manga could definitely do without. I know my demographic is "supposed" to like it, but it seriously shatters my suspension of disbelief most of the time and definitely detracts from the show as a whole.
Yeah it's just people not knowing what a Mary Sue is (like Thomas elaborated), like yeah she's kinda overpowered but she can still struggle in fights, her power isn't the whole point of her character (she actually has a really nice personality) nor is she liked by everyone for no compelling reason.
Well to me that feat, I don't like.
That erza shouldnt have been able to block gray and natsu her arms shoulda been blown off
While it wasnt a full power end her arms shoulda been frostbitten and burn to a crisp
I never understood how fan service bothers people but not her being able to go up against the strongest forces of the show and defy all logic. Fan service as long as it isn’t done in tense or serious moments is perfectly fine. The show has a lighthearted tone for the most part so I don’t see the issue. Now with scenes like the Kyouka torture that I can see being annoying. Although I personally liked when Erza was being put down a peg or two. But the framing could have been better.
Same, the scene where she stops the both of them is burned into my mind. It was perfect narratively, and the fight with Irene brought so much to her character arc.
Erza is the just the best. Men can beg and cowar at the feet of this woman!
What type of sick thought is this
@@ReidnReactn gurlie, I said what I said.
@@samuelhuff3427 bro weird
@@samuelhuff3427Blud thinks he's living in an anime 😂
Erza's sue moments are usually attributed to moments where shes physically incapable of winning yet does so anyway.
The points I reLly find egregious are when she beats the demon woman with zero ability to perceive the world arround her and when she destroys a meteor with every other bone in her body broken besides her arm.
Yeah, those moments disappointed me😅
Regarding Erza's powers, I sometimes wonder if it would be more interesting if she created her armor and weapons using magic rather than just summoning them from another dimension.
Think about it this way, she had to FIND those one-of-a-kind armor. Which takes time and research (though I bet she can just get the information out of people just by staring at them to scare the ever-living shit out of them). It was stated in the Pandemonium event, her critical thinking skills were quick and solid choices. I also believe she takes care of her armor and fixes them herself; this info was either brushed over in an episode or it was during one of the OVA episodes.
It's actually much rarer in anime media for a character to be a collector of weapons, let alone armor, so incidentally it's the better choice in making her stand out in comparison to just creating what she needs.
As suggested from another commenter, a mini story on Erza collecting armor or just making it herself or with a blacksmith would be nice. At the very least would allow some story telling in terms of presenting the common struggles her powers entail with probably constantly having broken weapons to replace. Any sense of a difficulty or obstacle in a power or ability especially of a powerful character is always nice to show that they have some downsides they need to constantly handle.
I don't really think so honestly, firstly because that would essentially make her power a kind of Maker Magic, putting her right with Grey, Juvia, Laki, Rufus, and a handful of other mages, while there are only a handful of users of Requip magic in general, and she's the only one who can use that particular brand of it, except when it gets copied, and even then, she is said to be remarkably proficient in it.
Really was a huge fan of Erza the moment I met her. Early Erza was great because Mashima could control himself. You could tell as the series went on, Hiro got a bit…pent up. To the point just about every female character was getting Lucy’d. And if you understand what I meant when I used Lucy as a verb, congratulations! You, too, are in too deep! Anyway, I’m just glad that Tartarus Interrogation-like Scenes were few and far between. No, I am not biased.
Aside from actual broken, overpowered characters, the way Erza is written is probably my favorite. Someone who is as strong as they are cool, a great concept for battle, a great head on their shoulders, a kind, caring individual, and someone who, despite a laundry list of skills, feats, and achievements, rarely lets theirs confidence get the better of them. She actually underestimates herself majority of the time. Like when she takes on the 100 monster challenge. She isn’t sure she can win, she just knows that she has to, and that is so badass about her and the rest of Fairy Tail.
They explained why she is so powerful and I assumed it’s was obvious aside from the hard work she puts in to be the best and the “power of friendship” she was in her moms belly for like 1000 years while her mom was a dragon soaking up all that power before her mom got turned back into a human by Zaref and abandoned her
You forgot to mention how Erza defeated 100 monsters all by herself during the magic games arc!
Erza is definitely my favorite Fairytale character also I appreciate that she really wasn't given much plot armor except maybe for her absurd magic abilities that lets her do a lot
Yes, Lucy is a good example of a female protagonist who has been developing from chapter 1 to the sequel to the manga (still not finished). I agree with what you mentioned that lucy is a prime female character
"A woman with that facial structure" dude all girls in fairy tail have the same face just with different eye and hair color
Honestly, I wouldn't doubt that the Nakagami Armor was just existing in a shop or collection somewhere. Since for over a decade, literally no one could actually use it. And Erza most likely didn't actually buy it, but rather just rented it for the games, since it would essentially turn someone into a human Achnologia. Meaning it would most likely cost both arms and legs, if it would even actually be on sale.
Erza’s powers are honestly reasonable considered the insane power levels in Fairy Tail. Pretty much every villain is a god who destroy the world with ease.
Erza is a badasss Nadeshiko : the strength in Erza Scarlet is the fact that she wholeheartedly embraces her womanhood and femininity. Japan has a traditional virtue and vision of womanhood which is called Nadeshiko. The Nadeshiko is graceful, caring, womanly, loving, brave, honest, helpful, resourceful. And this is everything Erza embodies, even though she kind of embodies slightly more than just that. Her strength doesn't come from her running away from her womanhood but stems from her desire for protection over he loved ones. That's the reason why Japanese media has such beautiful, interesting, and great female characters because they feel real and human, not political statements.
I think it's also not acknowledged as much but even though her innate magic is equip, she uses magical armor sets and has MASTERED the magic within each, which is honestly such a big thing considering this whole anime has people basically never branch out into different magical styles
Yeah a lot just give attributes, but there is extra abilities in a fair few
I was nearly in tears so many times throughout this video, it’s been around a year or two that I have watched Fairy Tale and I feel so much emotions watching this. I love Erza so much, she was and will forever be my favourite character ever ❤
Had a recent argument with someone about Erza's character and he made really good points. Erza is a mary sue, not because of her character but because of the way her fight scenes were written. She had moments of receiving overdramatized damage to make the scenes more hopeless before she turns the tables just because "she's that badass".
She is a badass. An S class Hero not in title alone but also in skill, which is why all her "close call" fights can feel cheap. It's a wonder why she can fail against opponents Natsu can defeat yet defeats him every time he challenges her for her rank. She's meant to be stronger, not as strong as Laxus but still the highest Rank of Wizard that can be given, making it questionable when a swordswoman is able to strike through all her strongest armors just because she lost her cool.
Sometimes you forget that Natsu was suppose to be the main character because of how often Erza would confidently and effectively steal the show. But she was competent and always knew just how to deal with the situation. And unlike Natsu's tendency to pull powerups out of nowhere, when Erza did it there was an explanation behind it. (not the best explanation, but it was still there).
She used power of friendship to beat akuma so she can pull things out of her ass
Natsu pulling out power ups out of nowhere? I’d like you to name them for me because I don’t recall him ever getting power ups out of nowhere except maybe dragon force in toh
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Literally when he fought Zancrow. He was getting his ass kicked the entire fight to the point that Zancrow started going easy on him. The only reason he won was is because he "dropped his magical power to zero in order to absorb a power that conflicted with his own magic" (paraphrasing what the guild master said. Apparently _nobody_ had done such a feat, especially in the middle of a battle without having practiced it before hand and Natsu just figured out how to drop his magic to zero while he was being ragdolled.
(what made it worse is that Zancrow never showed up again in the series even though he could have easily been a great and reoccurring rival to Natsu. Which only helped to further cement the fact that Zancrow's only point for existing was to make Natsu look good by jobbing to him despite being more powerful.)
The filler arc with the evil spirits was also a bit on the nose with how Natsu seemed to rise up at the last moment in each of his fights despite the fact that everyone kept saying how dangerous the spirits were at the time. But that's a filler fight so I'll let it pass.
The fight with the dragonslayers of light and darkness was also something of an asspull but not directly. Ultimately Natsu was just stronger than the two put together... but the fact that they hyped the two up so much, so much that it was almost nauseating, to then have Natsu absolutely own them made the outcome of the fight less a grand moment of achievement for Natsu, but a sad disappointment of the power and relevance of his opponents.
@@andrewowens4421 I’ll let you have the zancrow one. That could be seen as one.
Now when it comes to the filler arc. I honestly couldn’t care less about it. I didn’t watch the anime, I read the manga.
Natsu beating both of them was a combination of him being more skilled and more powerful then them. That wasn’t even remotely an asspull. And natsu dominating them after they gassed themselves up so much was the point of the conflict between sabertooth and fairy tail.
@@andrewowens4421 and I don’t see the point of zancrow’s existence as him being there to make natsu look powerful. Because that definitely wasn’t the case at all. He lost because Nastu was being smart. I see it as him being there introduce the concept of god slayer magic. Which is without a doubt an integral part of the final arc.
Erza is amazing, first anime crush.
Not sure how Erza is perfect, she is awkward af. She is not perfect, she has many flaws. Where did people see she was perfect?
erza is perfect with her flaws
@@tempest_2222but the universe doesn't bend to her, she isn't even the main character. She has her moments in the arcs but like it's Natsu's show from beginning to end. Also Erza gets defeated plenty of times. Like she isn't invincible or unstoppable. And she never really bends the rules of the magic system.
@@xenrusxenomorph2268 you missed my point. erza has flaws but her flaws are what make her perfect. being flawless makes a character boring and insufferable. erza’s flaws make her more human
@@tempest_2222 Yeah I apologize I actually did miss the point. I thought something compeltely different with your words. My bad
Ezra deafeating Irene was one of the most unbelievable things in the story.
With her win over Azuma in the Tenrogima arc being the second unbelievable win
Other wins by fairy tail mages are also unbelievable, like Gray winning against Rufus.
@@gabnel1000 how did she beat Irene ?
I always found it weird that Lucy had not heard of Erza since she’s such a fan of fairy tail.
She does go out and find armor and have new ones commissioned from rare creatures etc it’s in an ova she’s kinda like an almost infinite pocket that she can yank them out of because in the ova it shows her room with some that are too garish or not useful
I absolutely love the ladies in Fairy Tail and I agree that they deserve better from the writing or the audience! New subscriber!
Another badass Erza moment is when she faces the 100 monsters in the Grand Magic Games, proving that, yes, Fairy Tail is the strongest guild and it is back. Everyone is crying and I am crying.
I'm not a big fan of Fairy Tail (anymore) but Erza's always got a special place in my heart.
What made you hate the series?
@@chillmode4lifeHate's a very strong word, but the fanservice is very much what drove me away after a bit, plus I got more invested in many other series.
I really appreciate these videos because not too many people talk about fairy tail like this.
It was the first anime I ever really got into, & while I’m way more than aware of its shortcomings and it’s been a while since I’ve given it much thought, it still holds a special place for me. Erza especially! It’s been about 10 years or so since I first watched the show in middle school and “you don’t die for your friends, you live for them” has stuck with me ever since. It was kind of revolutionary for me then & I think there’s something to that.
Erza being called a Mary Sue is in response to her defeating Kyouka with 0 senses and one shotting a dragon with every single bone in her body broken. Arguing against that is nothing short of delusion, sorry. No male character does such ridiculous feats. And I actually adored Erza until she became dull power.
I’ve started watching Fairy Tail with my friends and I haven’t seen anything that has Ezra being a Mary Sue, even with my limited knowledge of the series I thought she was loved by pretty much everyone.
Let's be real. MOST of Fairy Tail's cast is amazing and deserved better than what they got. Erza isn't even the most egregious example IMO.
If you ask me, that dishonor goes to Mirajane.
Mary sue? Erza not a mary sue, she a strong woman who often have emotion issue from her past, her love for the guild is truly incredible and i think she have the funny scene whenever she get some screentime plus gotta love her for her love of cake, she one of my favorite characters
Honestly, videos like this helps me make fanfic so that I can do these characters justice.
Erza is a woman who is always breaking the bank in preparation and is skilled to end anyone and her armours she probably has been collecting them for years
Erza's birthday is either July 8th or April 7th depending on whether you want to go with her wiki or gamerant.
Honestly I'm just a general Fairy Tail lover. Erza has always been one of my favorite characters. I will say that if you don't follow fairy tale lore closely, a lot of the characters feel like Sues, especially Natsu. Natsu however is still my boy, but on the other hand it does largely annoy me when some other characters I really like don't get their chance to shine because of him. I understand why people have a problem with him ending the Tower of heaven arc, but personally I really liked it because it felt like Natsu, which symbolizes the heart and ideals of the Fairy Tail guild, was reeling Erza back, and helping her to realize that closing up her heart to the guild wasn't an option. Fairy Tail shares one heart. I understand that to those who might not be as invested that Natsu might seem like a sue, and the seemingly ridiculous a**pulls don't help, but it makes a lot more sense to those who actually know how E.N.D. works. Though personally I feel that it is just because of the fact that, like I said earlier, Natsu is the embodiment of Fairy Tail. That's why Natsu is so centrally focused. It's not because he has the most built up and emotional story or because he has the most important role or plot to overcome. It's because Natsu himself is Fairy Tail personified.
erza being sexualised just feels wrong to me because of her past, i only like when shes confident in herself relating to her sexuality but when shes harassed or oogled by male characters it pisses me off!!!!! basically feel this way to all the girls because they’re all such good characters but theres always perverts…
amazing video :3
im just glad Kyouka is a girl because if it was man torturing her it would of been even WORSE to watch, its already cringe and just gross and uncomfortable but it coukd have been more horrific
I love Fairy Tail. It's one of my favorite anime. I also adore Erza. She's my second favorite character, coming right after Lucy. Thus, it is incredibly irritating to deal with criticisms of her character that hold almost no weight or truth. It's not that Erza is completely void of problems with how she's written. However, a lot of the criticism feels like it stems from her being a female character, thus the critiques seem much more unfair.
I could rave on and on about how so many of my favorite fictional characters face unfair criticism based, maybe not solely, but majorly on the fact that they are girls, but I don't want this comment to turn into a 15-page long college essay. Amy Rose from Sonic the Hedgehog, Edelgard from Fire Emblem: Three Houses, Korra from The Legend of Korra. Again, these characters are not void of criticism. However, the way many people will talk about them will make them seem like their terribly written characters as a whole. Less than flattering moments will be used as a base for an argument, while completely ignoring other aspects of their character. Character motivations and arcs will be ignored for the sake of making a character seem much worse than they are. Flaws and failures will be viewed as reasons for why a character is bad as opposed to acknowledging that they are still growing and learning. These issues plague female characters much more than male characters.
Honestly, with how much criticism female characters face as a whole, it can make a person wonder if it's even possible to write a well-written female character at all. No matter what personality or traits a female character has, someone will take issue with it. If a female character is nice, then they're boring. If a female character is confident, then she's a bitch. If a female character is strong, then they're overpowered. If a female character is intelligent, then they're cold-hearted. If a female character is energetic, then she's annoying. Women just can't seem to win, can they?
I genuinely try to be a person who is open-minded about other people's opinions. I fully understand that certain characters will resonate much more with certain people and not so much with others, and that's fine. However, that open-mindedness can only go so far when the critiques seem incredibly unfair. No one likes seeing harsh, biased views of a character they love. Especially when this prejudice is spread widely throughout a fandom. Because what are you supposed to do? You know the critiques are unfair, but fighting back against them, no matter how well put together and truthful your argument is, people will just call you stupid or biased. Speaking from my own experience, it's not an enjoyable time. It's not fair to female characters, it's not fair to writers, and it's not fair to women as a whole.
This was very well put together, and while this comment is a few days late and you may not even see it, I fully understand what you mean. I have a few characters I like, especially the female ones, and I admit I like a lot of male characters too, and I see people criticizing them or downright disliking them, but I hear more complaints, or ten times the amount, for the female characters I like.
The biggest one? Sakura from Naruto I know and accept the valid arguments and critiques of her character, and I get why people disliked her in Naruto, but to me, it made her growth so much more compelling as she aged and got better, and now people can't seem to let that go! People don't have to like her, but they refuse to see any of her good qualities. How can I admit and agree when a character I like did sucky things and acknowledge them, but you can't acknowledge any of their good traits? I get called biased, simp, stan, etc. all the time, and when people start insulting me, just take it as a win. They can't come up with a proper defense at that point; that is how you know you won.
I once read something and made a comment about a character in it who they admitted they didn't like, and in the chapter they were overly critical and harsh on said character, even though they let similar things they were critiquing go when it was about a character they did like. It was obviously biased, but instead they called ME biased. All I said was, Why include a character you dislike if you aren't going to be fair to them? All they are here for now is to be a punching bag of insults.
I liked that story, and it was well written; that was my only complaint. These things seem to go hard on female characters, and I think it might stem from the fact that a lot of people may, for some reason, feel threatened by the character. I have seen people who like shipping hate a female because she is 'getting in the way' of the ship. or they self-insert on a fictional character and, in doing so, can't accept any female being close to that character.
This whole problem also affects male characters who aren't conventionally attractive. If a character isn't attractive, they are also very harshly criticized. ten times that of a character who is good-looking and has done worse. I once saw someone say the villains in MHA should be let go guilt-free and just give therapy because they are hurt babies, but then insist Endeavor needs to go to jail forever, even though the villains have done worse crimes than him. Same with Mineta; he is an average comedy relief character, nothing new as most shows have one of those, and while it can be annoying and they tend to not have much character going beyond being an over-the-top sleazeball, there are so many shows where a character like that is beloved. The thing is, a lot of people don't bring up the fact that many of the characters similar to Mineta are good-looking, so the flaw of being a massive, over-the-top flirt who loves women tends to be overlooked, but if they aren't attractive, They are an awful character with zero good flaws! creep! I admit, Mineta doesn't have much depth, but even if he did, I doubt many would like him more.
Like Sakura, it is in fashion to make fun of and hate them. Even if they gain depth later on or grow, it won't change the vast majority from hating them just because it is in trend to do so.
I feel like trying to have a discussion like this is like talking to brick walls. Females get the brunt of it, and the characters, male or female, who the majority of the fandom doesn't find attractive will often face harsher critique over every little thing they do than their popular and attractive counterparts.
i love this. it explains why i love Erza, and now im sending this to like 4 people
Also Erza's Initial design makes her forehead look huge...
Wait, Erza, I didn't mean it, Erza please...
NOOOOO!!!!
100% facts in the video. Ezra is a badass and is not a sue. Why can’t we just have strong female characters without calling them a sue automatically?
Also lowkey wanna comment about Natsu being a sue…..kind of agree because how much attention he gets from other characters arcs feels a little odd to me when I first watch the show. I do still love Natsu but feel like he doesn’t deserve some moments in the arcs.
Just some of the feats.
Erza was like one of the best characters from Fairy Tail but after Season 3 shit just went downhill. The fan service became more abundant and as a female viewer that turned me off from fairy tail. Wendy was like a little ass kid and they still threw fan service her way which scares me. The power ups and how the characters were able to do certain bullshit is crazy as well. Also that weird torture and sexual scene is just a no go for me. Fairy tail just wasn't the same for me anymore.
When Wendy was sexualized?
When was wendy sexualized ??
The fanservice in the final season isnt even that bad it’s practically the same as it was before
Most of characters dont pull shit out of their ass there is generally explanation’s theres very few exceptions to this rule
@@ReidnReactn Eh I stopped watching fairy tail a long time ago but if you Google Wendy's name you'll definitely see some scenes where she was put in a fan service situation. Also I still think when Erza had all of her bones broken in her body it made absolutely 0 zero sense on how she was able to shoot herself up to break a meteorite. Just my personal opinion lol take it with a grain of salt.
@@velve5037 i googled her name any sexual thing i saw was not in fairy tail it was fan art and yeah thats just plot armor its not gonna make sense
The only time I ever thought erza was even close to mary sue. Is ironically the kyouka fight. She literally loses all of her 5 senses. Is basically in a void. And then just.... fights normally anyway? I dont remember if they gave any kind of explanation she just does it.
They did. It was because she's erza🤦🏼♀️
The explanation given was that when she lost her 5 senses her 6th sense got more strong, but Happy for some motive says right after the explanation that "she won cuz she's Erza", I hate when Happy says that cuz it feels like Mashima himself is invalidating his own writing and giving fuel to the haters and the people who says Erza is a mary sue on purpose.
Erza Scarlet is probably one of the best female role models you could ever have, and a wife anyone would be lucky to have.
Not just strong and not just beautiful but also has a VERY cute side as well as a VERY dominant side. Not to mention what kind of mother she would be with her extremely supportive, caring, domineering personality she has.
Erza is such a well developed character if she was any other show she be one character ever
I think people forget the mere fact that ever since she is introduced, and very early on in the series, she is described as being "strong as the ten wizard saints," a sentient shared by MULTIPLE parties, in multiple arcs.
One does not get to be as strong as the top ten ranked wizards with being a pushover. Of course she eventually overpowers her opponents once she realizes what she is facing and has an answer to everything. Because she is as strong as the strongest wizards on the continent. It would be hard to find someone stronger than her, and it is. Not "because she's Erza" but because she is this powerful, and has been since the beginning, and has been training since the beginning WITH everyone. Of course power scaling is off in the scheme of that because we see how much everyone else has grown - but she has always been strong - so it looks like she fell behind when she realistically, never had.
Her magic is literally called the "knight." What are knights good at? Defensive maneuvers. Of course she has an answer to nearly every scenario she finds herself in.
If you pay attention to literally ANY of Erza's fights - her accuracy is horrendous and she misses the mark with a lot of her weaponry and magical prowess.
She gets through with her sheer determination, as well as her immense durability.
That, in essence, IS her magic - being durable - being the knight that protects those she holds dear to her heart; she even said she would give up all of her strength, to still be able to do that, and that she was never strong; that it was all a lie and that she wore armor and the attitude she had, so no one could see she was broken.
Don't forget the Lesbians who are enjoying the fanservice XP
That aside Erza is one of my favorite character in Fairy tail, strong, and scary but also sweet, caring and compassion, it's always fun to see her on screen being a bad bitch or a loveable dork.
Erza’s always been my favourite character in Fairy Tail, with Laxus as a close second. She always felt like the most well written, most consistently badass character who had the most non-Natsu spotlight (I like Natsu but yh he really does soak up too much glory). You could sick Natsu on whatever bad guy and he’ll find a way to grit down and win even if he’s not necessarily strong enough at base, but Erza felt like the one really keeping people safe. More than Natsu or Gildarts or even Makarov, she felt like the pillar of the guild. Her being called a Mary Sue, she’s strong and well respected but both of those things are earned.
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I'm actually surprised that Erza is thought of as an overpowered Mary Sue. It's been a while since I watched this show but I remember her mostly as a consistent victim of the Worf Effect.
Erza Is an icon a legend and she is the moment
This video just makes me want to get Fairy Tale DVDs even more.
She's an Aries, her bday is on April 7th. She does give Virgo energy as we clearly are the best so I appreciate the support.
I always loved Erza so much. I feel like if we want a Mary Sue example: Natsu is like that, I'm nto going to lie. He stole a lot of the spotlight from other charaters that needed the development, and I did feel sad that Lucy couldn't get her shine without Natsu around. But (and I'm aware this is probably fighting words for some) also Gurran Laggan's Yukko outside of Fairy Tail. Erza is flaws done right. Erza was Trauma done right. Erza was Kick ass don't right. Yukko was not. I probably would have enjoyed Yukko if they made an actual effort to have her learning from her petty behavior with *children*. She was the adult in comparison to Nina and Simon and she treated them as if they were both benethed her and yet also jealous of the attention they got over her (I could go even farther of the issues but I rather just keep it as a comparison to how Erza was done right in comparison). Erza actually learned from her insecurities. Erza was not perfect but she was willing to actually work out her own issues when presented to her.
I bet a lot of the people who think Erza was a Mary Sue would have thought a charater like Yukko was well written.
Me and my brother kinda go back and fourth on erza a lot(fairy tail in general, i love the series, he doesnt, but this is about Erza) i love Erzas character, she has some of the best moments, one of my favorite arcs, shes also just kinda a dork being real, but in the best way, the way she loves theater in the filler, loves strawberries and overall when shes not fighting just being fun to watch makes me love her more, and her VA does a beyond perfect job as her! my brother says shes an annoying narcissist, like when she got pissed at everyone for going on an S class mission for in his words, no real good reason, at least if i remember correctly, bit either way, i think hes wrong, and that Erza is amazing, how can i not love her so much? Long live the fairy Queen!
Thank you for the long video, as someone who attempted being a video creator, I really love how all your videos turn out!!
She is no way a Mary Sue. She is strong and had flaws which she tried her best to hide from others.
I once considered Natsu my favorite character, but now that title goes to the Queen of the Fairies herself after thinking alot about it. And she deserves it.
I love Erza so much. She's my favorite character in Fairy Tail hands down. She is kind, badass, and sexy at the same time.
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Okay but the fact that Grey is the one that can make Erza realize that what is good is to help people and not respect the law, i think it can be realated to how Erza and Grey are the first main character to arrived to te guild, they have the longent freidnship in all of the main characters
Tbh, Erza is also my fav gal in FT. I loved her the moment she first appeared and I'm so hyped to see 100YQ being adapted into anime form just to see her again. :3 Also, while the JP VA's for FT, were all amazing as well. I just feel like the EN VA's for it, can bring just as much emotion and passion as they do, if not more imho.
Wow I’m not into the fairy tail fandom never knew people disliked her character Ezra and Lucy always been my favorites
later in the anime erza cries with both eyes & it’s always driven me a little crazy. you can’t use her prosthetic eye to help the plot with magic resistance then forget about it immediately afterwards when she’s crying 😭
The Queen of the fairies deserved this video. I love this manga and anime. Glad to see someone showing some love.
The most important thing about Ezra’s arch is her growth. She is not a Mary Sue because she is not simply “born awesome”. She grows and improves along the journey, becoming the powerhouse she is meant to be. 🔥
Honestly people need to look up the definition of Mary Sue:
Mary Sue is the term used to describe a fictional female character who has no flaws, is good at everything, always wins, and is loved by all, with Gary Stu being the male equivalent.
The only thing I dont agree with in this video is that people in the anime community DON'T criticize Gary Stus. There are a lot of them that people will actknowledge are Gary Stus(prime one is Kirito). I just feel like people are more sensitive when it comes to women, whether you are defending a character or insulting them, which is why it seems like more focused on women then men, when it really isn't. Its just that most people dont feel the need to fight over it like if a woman is called a Mary Sue. Also, the guys in FT are DEFINITELY sexualized for women, like how the girls are for men. They arent just made rip for men, like how the women arent just made hot for women. Xant we all just agree that men and women get sexualized in the show. Both are shown either fully naked or partially all over the series and its fine. If its not your thing(not soecifically the creator of the video) then thats fine. I actually dont like fan service cause seeing anyone sexualized, man or woman, bothers me in real life so it does in fiction too. But if its just how the show is and entertaining I dont really care and you know what.........sometimes its nice to look at pretty people regarless of sexual preference or gender.
Also people so think Natsu is a Gary Stu, but again, people just dont seem to feel the need to fight AS MUCH about it as with the women. There are fights, they just arent as.....vicious or loud as with the girls.
But nontheless, Erza is the Queen of the Fairies for sure and amazing. Personally Levy and Lucy are my #1 darlings but Erza is definitely my #2 girl. I love characters like her
I tought i was one of the few people to like this anime, i don't see many people talk about Fairytail. Erza was my fave and my fave crush Gelal😅
the pirates are Erza stans.period
You've gone and done it. You've convinced me to finally give Fairy Tail a chance after years of actively avoiding it because of its depictions of women. And like, yea, it's still kinda weird in that regard but it's a solid show and now I'm hooked!! Also Erza is my favourite character, I love her sm.
i haven't even watched the video yet but i agree 100%!! i remember getting into anime for the first time and she immediately became one of my first female character crushes, not only because i thought she was beautiful and loved her design, but also because she was one of the few well-written female characters in anime at the time, and she actually felt real and likeable.
i always saw sm hype for lucy and how she was the best female character, and she's great, but i always felt like erza had more depth and lore than lucy despite being a deuteragonist and not the primary main character.
her arc and backstory always really hit whenever i rewatch it and her want to always protect her friends always resonated with me i love her smm
How would anyone think she's a Mary Sue? She gets kicked around all the time. She eventually wins but has to work for it.
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The reason Natsu fights Zancrow is to save Makarov, you really wouldn't expect Natsu to cold-bloodeldy abandon Makarov for Zancrow to kill him, would you?
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It is likely that this is on purpose, since if we look closely, most of the men are petrified and Erza takes the opportunity to attack, it is something like the scene on the boat, Erza is aware of her sexuality and uses it to her advantage.
And some designs are justified, for example, the Black wind armor needs to fly, and therefore have less weight and bee lighter, the leopard armor also, being speed armor needs to be as light as possible.
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You also have to take into account that a whole year passed, Erza could have had plenty of time to recover.
I agree that Erza isn't a mary-sue, but I also have to disagree with you on the idea that Natsu is a Gary-Stu, he just has a lot of lucky and/or unjustified victories. And even then he has had to struggle for those victories even when he received unjustified deus ex machina power-ups (Like in his fight against Zero during the Oracion Seis Arc). His previous fight with Cobra is the perfect example of this, he could barely get a hit in on Cobra due to him exploiting his heightened senses and predicting his every move. Granted he still won that fight due to him accidentally exploiting Cobra's weakness (being sound), but he still would've gotten bodied in that specific moment. There's also plenty of fights where Natsu gets his ass kicked (His fights with Fukuro, His first fight with with Laxus as well as his 2nd one where he only won because Gajeel helped him out, He fought with Ultear in the Tenrou Island arc and was taken out with one attack, I could go on). He doesn't have too many flaws that actually come into play and is much like most shonen protagonists in the sense that he's a dumb meathead, but he's a dumb meathead that goes through hell and back for his friends.
Natsu has plenty of "Gary-Stu" moments, but it doesn't make him 100% a gary-stu, because he's destructive, unruly, reckless, and as you mentioned a "Dumbass". If we apply this same logic to Erza though, she too has her mary-sue moments, especially in the later seasons where she hardly goes through any real development. She destroyed a goddamn meteor with insanely low magic power, a broken arm, and two broken legs. You mention this in the video and how if Natsu was doing it we would be praising it to high heaven... I mean sure.... if he didn't have literally 3 out of his 4 limbs broken. Why is it hype for Erza to have moments where she illogically pulls off feats of incredible strength but not Natsu? How did she see when she fought Kyoka and had her senses taken away with excruciating pain following her? Happy explained it as "She's Erza!" That's literally a Mary-Sue moment right there. This doesn't MAKE HER a Mary-Sue, she just has mary-sue moments. Erza is clearly not perfect and goes through a LOT of struggle that affects her greatly.
Why is it that Natsu is a Gary Stu but Erza has several moments where she gets illogically earned victories through fighting harder and she's not? Seems like a bit of a double standard if you ask me.
This is interesting, I rarely ever heard the Mary Sue remark thrown at Erza before
Most powerscaling complainta I ever heard were aimed at the show in general, not towards a single character
I love Erza, but Happy will always be my favorite. P.s I really appreciate you pronouncing the character's names correctly.
Damn 2 vids in 2 days you are on fire!! i do not know much about fairytale but from what I'm seeing here Erza sounds like a fucking badass !
well for natsu being a sue, the last season and his fight with zeref come to mind, what was that.. he literally one punched the guy, the biggest baddest demon creating dark wizard of all time, and he gets punched and goes out. NO