Shin Megami Tensei 4 Apocalypse Boss Dagda [APOCALYPSE]
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Shin Megami Tensei 4 Apocalypse Boss Dagda [APOCALYPSE]
First time playing through SMT4 series.
Sequel too SMT4 (sorta)
Streaming this as I play through it, but still will make a movie out of it.
Pre-ordered a 3ds built in capture card a while ago 2016 (February) from Keity, but it takes around 5 months for them to make/ship it (I received it July 8th). Originally I had a 3ds XL just for this game, but the screen on a handheld device was just way too annoying to play on, and I'm not a fan of that but now I can play 3ds games on a monitor/tv with a lot bigger screen and it's a lot better now. - Hry
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"Dagda leaps out of your smartphone and stands before the group."
Bro, this edible is *hitting.*
When Dagda said "My godslayer will kill every demons and god" he forgot about himself.
hes pretty much happy with vanishing at the end of his route; he did spell it out here that he wants to go back being "pure nature" before humans observed gods into existence.
@@zaqareemalcolm by becoming one with his element, Dagda is essentially becoming more of a god than he was previously.
@@christopherbravo1813 i took it as him wanting every supernatural/mythological being observed into existence to become unintervening abstract, natural phenomena again even if they have to be forced to (ie. through death by a godslayer's hands)
@@zaqareemalcolm by that logic, would that not mean that every single god and demon, including God Himself, are still part of this new universe?
@@christopherbravo1813 from the way they told it, human observation is the only reason those groups from legends and stories can even "be" in the first place, as in have separate consciousness and identities (this includes Yaweh who's theorized to used to be a metallurgy god), the concepts they are anthropmorphized from aren't really things you can get rid of (eg. storms, disaster, fear of the ocean, love w/e)
i think this plot point is based on the similar logic historians/anthropologists take when analysing the origin of various myths, folklore and fairytales irl; generally being old, partly socially motivated rationalizations of things humans couldn't understand then.
Dagda would be willingly gone too, and the last thought as an individual God he had was being happy his work was done before being subsumed into the non-sentient greater idea beings like him originated from
I find it kind of funny that Dagda, who's against the idea of others helping each other, has to essentially rely on Nanashi through basically the whole game
Funnier still is that nobody really calls Dagda out on the fact that his plan hinges entirely on Nanashi agreeing with his ideals or that your "useless friends" are actually far more useful than he is (at least in terms of gameplay that is).
He sees that gods need to do what they have to do, by way of how they are created. He sees humans, having free will, able to choose what they want, and it drives him nuts that they aren't choosing to ascend beyond that. Is how I read it anyway.
@@king2.0smods17 Well his friends can't exactly prevent him from dying to the peacock horse at the start of them game, so yeah I'd say Dagda was vastly more useful.
When you want to be a badass god but your mom says no and just remakes you instead.
Dagda wants to be hardcore but his mother won't let him
And leaves you behind while she joins the next SMT installment.
@@Venom3254Dagda’s coming in the SMTV remake in June… as DLC
@@fluorideinthechat7606 I know, hopefully the dlc with him isn't a one and done. Low key wish it's a quest involving him.
@@Venom3254 only for him to join in the new version
i hope im not the only one seeing the irony of dagda's va talking about how friends are useless considering his next star role in atlus after this game lol
What game?
@@donbototo5068 Persona 5, Xander Mobus voices Joker and Arsene
@@zaqareemalcolm 0: was the same voice actor?
@@donbototo5068 yes
Arsene if he was Akechi’s persona
Toki: *w e a k*
Nanashi’s party: smirk
Nanashi: *Casually bleeds out*
17:11 When you've given a second chance, only to die again: *OHHH MYYY...*
Toki: Whatever choice you make, I'll be with you
*sides with Dagda*
Toki: Nah jk
I think she just wanted to fight with us in order to prove her superior strenght over our companions, so that when the time came, we would choose her to have at our side. For what good is loyalty, if you're worthless ?
this.
Which is why I didn’t regret silently finishing her on my latest play through. Sheesh, make up your mind.
ah yes, "DO NOTHING."
Hallelujah: don’t worry, we’re not gonna let you die!
Nanashi: please let me this really fucking hurts…!
Dagda is so stuck in the past and he's so blind to it. Leave the past in the past, Danu gets it.
They were once superior forces who were part of the very fabric of reality. Can you really blame them ? They're not humans. Their glory days go beyond mere ego.
Most gods in the SMT multiverse sadly cannot let go of the past and they’ll go into extreme lengths in order to cling themselves to even a small bit of that fixation. Which is why the Divine Powers were so desperate to reset the universe in their image, they wanted to become the divine tyrants of the world once again, no different than YHVH or any other malignant will. think it’s safe to say (or at least a headcanon of mine) that demons cannot hope to develop or change because they themselves are cognitions created by humanity (even YHVH can be just a twisted representation of the great will similar to P5 yaldabaoth), living in jealousy that non-demon being are able to change as people and develop a point of view that can see and acknowledge the goods and the bads of law and chaos, allowing them to come with neutral-aligned solutions for problems that can build a better future, but that future also comes with change of perspective. The more humanity understand, the demons and gods will undoubtly undergo changes for the better or worse.
But that’s the issue, gods don’t want to change. They fear it, and prefer to maintain their status quo at all cost. We’ve seen examples of Dagda. Danu and a majority of the members of the divine powers being reduced to either mere husks of their former glory or caricatures of what once were, all because of humanity’s cognition.
@@pokeluis2002 kind ironic
@@pokeluis2002 this canon
@@JabamiLain yet it is still ego for the most part. Ego is not just selfishness, bit closing the mind to possibility beyond preconception. So yes, you can somewhat justifiably blame him.
He's back in SMT V Vengeance as DLC
Fantastic really hope they use the same VA
“Hey kid, they trapped me in DLC. Wait.. where am I?”
I wish he was good like they gave him instakills while Konohaya gets Golden Apple +
I love his design why couldn't they give homie something good😭😭
I would have loved that in the bonds ending, instead of the New Dagda, Lugh would intervene to give a good thrashing to his fellow Tùatha Dé who strayed from the path of justice, and then give the power of a godslayer back to Nanashi to help him. Then just before the boss fight against YHVH, a last boss fight against Dagda to show him that you were the boss, with Lugh giving you power.
Other than that, peace is always the best outcome, in every situation.
I actually saw a Reddit post in regards of this. Basically it was an au where Nanashi awakens a Persona in the shape of lugh. I loved the idea so much that I had thousands of concepts I’ll like to do for an SMT4a x Persona fanfic
The main plot would stick to the bonds route. First Nanashi wakes up in the velvet room, Igor presents himself and his assistant and so on. Since Igor and co. Are creations of Philemon who is the manifestation of the goodness in everyone’s heart, you Can at least be safe they won’t backstab you like Dagda.
Everything would proceed as in game, but when Nanashi is revived by Dagda, he would experience an awakening a la Persona 5, manifestations his persona in the form of lugh. Both Dagda and that horse peacock demon I forgot his name would look at nanashi’s persona in utter disguist. Dagda cuz he realized that the boy he’s now bound to is the reincarnation of his brother and that horse demon would accuse Nanashi of sacrilege to both yhvh and Lucifer at the worst kind, claiming that his awakening marked him as enemy of all gods of both law and chaos, and defitnletly an aberration in the face of the divine powers.
After killing that demon, Stephen would come and explain that ther hasn’t been a wild card for a millennia. He later explains that Awakening Personas are in fact the worst sin a human could do against the gods because not only it represents the user’s other self, but alto the absolute Declaration of Independence from the guidance of gods by finally realizing that the persona user has discovered and accepted his flaws and such and he’s willing to better itself and find answers to its question by himself and other rather than praying for a god to fulfill him with a vain sense of accomplishment. Persona awakenings were quite common in the past, but they vanished from the human cognition during the dark ages due to a rare instance of a ceasefire between angels and demons to exterminate all persona users and subjugate the humans into not awakening personas anymore. Only a few selected worlds are seen with persona users which are the ones that neither Yhvh nor Lucifer hold some sort of power in there.
In case of the divine powers, they see persona users as spoiled crops and utter heretics. Souls that have awakened a persona cannot be consumed by sheesha and therefore must be exterminated for treason to their divinity.
@@pokeluis2002 That honestly is something I wouldve loved to see happen/
@@pokeluis2002 Fuck! This should be an official spinoff, maybe a Warriors one? But FUCK this story is FIRE AF I want it real
Im gonna be honest I think Dagda's path is just going to lead to more pain. Yeah a new universe is created, but the cycle will just eventually repeat itself
How?
Having better YHVH is better
@@johnnywantyoudead5113 god nanashi would just end up in the same situation as the original. It has happened in different storys.
@@Kupomasters57 so?
That is what Flynn is for
@@nykita427 ok
7:15 Uh-oh.
Omg reborn dadga
While it seems radical I think Dagda has a point
About what?
@@jackchisolm6534 now it’s party time lol
@@jackchisolm6534 Humans easily divide amongst each other and can cause each other problems, oftentimes without realizing. Which is what devalued friendship for Dagda
He really fucking doesn't.
@@kichiroumitsurugi4363 and that's a load of baloney coming from him. He just as readily turns on his fellow gods/god-like entities like it's nothing. He can't exactly pretend he has a moral high ground.
The irony is that Dagda didn't need to do any of this. He could've used Nanashi as a flesh puppet again just like when he unsealed Krishna.
But by this point, Dagda is too attached to Nanashi.
Dagda: damn… that’s my replacement? A weakling who depends on others?
Me: big talk coming from the guy who all he did was bark orders at me. What was it you said? Oh right “every” god and demon. That includes you
That moment when you realize this might not have been the FIRST time Dagda was remade...
In fact, every single "god" you meet across the SMT universe's timelines might've been remade at least once.
In which case... WTF could've remade friggin' YHWH into that supreme douchelord YHVH? And will we get to fight that too, someday?
the being of the Universe. much like how he created YHVH, his creation betrayed him. only for the Irony of YHVH's creation, Lucifer, to fire the "history repeats itself" in full swing.
"To be the rolling wind itself? to be the rain falling upon the earth?"
This is the only point in the game that dagda is even remotely appealing. I really wish his writing was better and that this was a hard choice.
Dadga was cool from the moment he was introduced. It was so weird that SMT:A focused on things like unity and friendship, so having Dadga be the embodiment of the "old ways" was refreshing. By the time this moment came you bet your ass I was tired with all the typical JRPG tropes and killed all my friends for his vision.
@@MegaOverclocked outside of this cutscene all he does is bitch & throw out Donut Steel lines. He's lamer than the friends are and finally being able to beat his ass was the closest i came to emotional investment.
@@MegaOverclocked all he does is bitch and bark orders. He's about as cool as the average Donut Steel oc.
Very happy that you enjoyed being Dagda's bottom bitch but the second the game let me put a knife in him, i went for it. If the game actually had stones, the anarchy route would have given you the option to betray him after you get the throne.
a choice between a psychotic manipulator with a Scottish accent or a bunch of "friends" who have barely any character whatsoever and only let you lead them because you agree with their ideals-and are also somewhat manipulative.
is there a third option?
Staying dead during the beginning is the 3rd.
Not gonna lie, the arguements they presented sound so silly.
The 3rd option: White Ending 2.0
SMT IV proper, yeah. :P
There's a third _and_ a fourth option, actually.
You can side with Lucifer or Merkabah before the Cosmic Egg even appears - these are the Law and Chaos "bad endings". In fact, if you want a full Demon Compendium, you HAVE to do it, since each ending unlocks Lucifer and Merkabah for fusion...and they're required for fusing your own custom copy of Satan.
Yes, that means you have to beat the game at least FOUR TIMES to get a full Demon Compendium.
that was quite the clutch
Can’t stand dagda personally, super hypocritical and his plan is basically make you the next selfish YVHV.
That's kinda the point, actually.
In a roundabout way, you end up just repeating the cycle in the Anarchy ending.
@@mistahjenkins4826 Yeah. All because Dagda wanted to return to be an abstract entity, alongside every other god and demon
@@kichiroumitsurugi4363 is that really so wrong ?
@@JabamiLain While by itself that isn't wrong, Dagda (and the Divine Powers as well) aim to commit genocide for this goal
@@JabamiLain what part of literal genocide is "right" or morally gray?
It feel weird to have a Dadga who is not Edgy
I know who I would choose. Dagda. His vision... unlike what you might think, his path leads into true collectiveness, not individuality. Our physical bodies are what create the illusion of separation. His delusions of individuality shall pave the way for the universe I wish to see built.
I thought I was the only one who thought this way.
@@MelodeathxTed you're not. Maybe his path is not for everybody. But the choice should still be presented. To deny the possibility simply because it were not the humans who thought of it is to deny our potential too.
I deleted my former comment because I probably should’ve proof read it before I posted it which is something that I usually forget to do. and I didn’t think I owed such an in-depth explanation to people I don’t know.But to specify what I was typing about: that Atlus, has done a decent job portraying The Dagda. And one of the only few games to do that. They had wrote in his fondness for Dead things, that he references his likings of Fine food, & Necromancy, as well as credited as having Numerous powers obviously for story sake you’re not going to see him Lug around a Caldron & Giant ass club and roasting food with 2 pigs (I could see him use a golden harp though in this game). As I also mentioned after his rebirth in this video, his personality is more identical to his source material of being a Good God. As such I am also aware that His name means “ The Good God , or the God of Good”Anyway at atlus LtD does do a good job in portraying many of the Gods & Demons in their games. I’ve some occult friends who’re good at their practice & so I showed them some summaries or depictions and it’s one of the top series for that imo. Check out Spektor Baal & Austin Shippey here on Yt
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Love Dagda spech in the true ending wish he got a redemption and not just recreating him but i guess it work out.
As anime-epic as this fight is, I was really bothered by how bad Dagda was basically neutered. But for all the flak this game gets for its wonky plot, cringe characters (basically Toki lmao) and cheesy dialogue, it's nowhere near as bad as people say it is. Lately the megaten games have been on a downward slope with their writing but it's still better than most of the shitty JRPGs of the modern age.
Nozomi and Hallelujah are the cringe characters.
Still better than p5 somehow.
i could take dagda in a fight
😏
There's something I don't understand. Couldn't Dagda just force Nanashi to do what he wants him to do? I know that wouldn't work game wise, but still.
He tried to be fair.
@@sgtaveryjohnson3803 true.
Dagda’s whole shtick is about free will, it’s literally why he wants to erase the very concept of observation of gods so he doesn’t have to live under the established rules of YHVH. He wouldn’t want to just manipulate you
I think Dagda has mommy issues
12:44 I can feel that... And relate to that... Many people want to replace the real me with a pathetic slave to society.
Hamaon looks lame in this game
How come
@@kichiroumitsurugi4363 It’s just a generic light attack, doesn't even have the paper charms
@@ArshadZahid_nohandleideas You can kinda see them still, but they're drowned out by the light itself, so it's hard to notice