The Poppy Playtime Lemon is a LIE!
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- čas přidán 8. 03. 2024
- Most people think the Lemon in Poppy Playtime is nothing more than a joke between the developers.
But what if it's more than that?
In today's video I explore the possibility that the Poppy Playtime Lemon is far more important than we thought.
Not only could the lemon gives us hints to the inspirations of Poppy Playtime, but it could also give us clues to figuring out the greatest mysteries of the series.
In this video I delve into the terrifying lore of both Portal and Bioshock in order to figure out what such an obscure easter egg could really mean.
So, would you kindly enjoy what is possibly my most unhinged theory yet.
#poppyplaytime #poppyplaytimechapter3 #bioshock #portal2
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First the cake. Now the lemon? Is nothing sacred anymore
What's the cake I haven't heard of it
Y'all can keep your cakes and lemons, but touch my PIZZA and there will be WAR!
@@SaiMaHaRiezqNazmar The cake of Portal.
what does bioshock have that’s similar to the lemons speach and the cake?
We humans can find a way to ruin a glass of water.
Bet you didn't expect a Starfield reference... huh?
1:22 _"I am not a king, I am not a god, I AM..."_
limón :D
30:42 Holy shit, it's basically Canon Events from Spider-Verse 🤯🤯🤯
I named my cat Limón si when I saw your comment I imagined my cat saying this and almost lost a lung laughing 😹
God didnt make lemons, we made lemons... TAKE THAT GOD!
@@Kolljak
_"Alright, I've been thinking. When life gives you lemons, don't make lemonade - make life take the lemons back! Get mad! I don't want your damn lemons, what am I supposed to do with these? Demand to see life's manager. Make life rue the day it thought it could give Cave Johnson lemons. Do you know who I am? I'm the man who's gonna burn your house down! With the lemons. I'm going to to get my engineers to invent a combustible lemon that burns your house down!"_
-Cave Johnson - Portal 2
@@-.SpaceNoah.-
Limón the cat
Can I see a picture of him/her? It's okay if you don't want to tho
"Poppy Playtime is copying FNAF." Poppy Playtime is about a kids/humans being experimented on, their organs being put inside a toy. Fnaf is about a trapped kids souls inside animatronics
I agree that pp isnt copying fnaf but you said the same thing for both of them bro 💀
they do have bendy’s chapter thing
That is basically the same thing
@@TinyBearTimI am 99% sure it is actually a nazi rip-off since, kids on gas, a non-god being treated like one, and of course experiments are all in common, with both, oh fuck poppy playtime is a allusion to ww2.
"Inspiration exist plus it's true both of them have the kid's mascot thing but there's way to many difference's and purpose so not really
And both of them have completely different stories
I agree with everything except Poppy being Stella. Stella was still well, "human" during the time when Mommy was created, which would mean the Poppy couldn't exist AFTER that. This also doesn't make sense, because it was technically Poppy's success (in bringing her to life) that led into the other experiments, and then the BBI.
Edit: thanks for the likes.
Who's to say there weren't multiple Poppies? She could be another iteration.
@@Metalkattoccams razor
This might be a mega stretch but I wonder if it’s something similar to Golden Freddy in Fnaf, where you have two human souls inhabiting the same body. It would help explain the drastic personality change from Poppy in Chapter 2. But I’m not sure there’s enough evidence to back this up.
@@Metalkatt we know for a fact the Poppy we meet is the original one, and if not, why was she locked up..? And then how could’ve the company dwell into the experiments in the first place..?
If you wanna draw up another connection between Portal 2 and Poppy Playtime, we're also being led to the final boss (Glados and the Prototype) by someone who is part of the facility and also wants to stop the final boss (Wheatley and Poppy) but end up betraying us after we defeat the final boss. If this goes how I assume, it's possible Poppy is gonna follow a similar route to Wheatley
I don't think Poppy is gonna betray us.
Poppy is definitely gonna betray us. I honestly think she's the real villain and The Prototype is actually good. Just the Prototype sees us as the bad one since we were once a worker and we're with Poppy.
I wondered if the prototype & poppy r actually good and the protagonist is actually the villian or their just all evil and it's the matter of lesser evils
I highly doubt the prototype is good though-
@@abiliv-lf9tz I think Poppy is the villain tbh
Then that means we will most likely be reinstating the Prototype back in its place and then the Proto will let us leave
I’m 1000% that meme of the guy who just got randomly woken up bc the first thing on my timeline is Tericho explaining lemon lore that I didn’t even know existed, and I’m really sitting here fighting sleep like god in a jrpg just to understand this rabbit hole. 😭☠️
GLaDOS released the neurotoxin on 'bring your daughter to work day' and Chell is implied to have been the adopted daughter of one of the employees of Aperture Science (there's even a theory that Ratmann was her adopted father). That could be something to think about in relation to Poppy...
2007: The cake is a lie
2024: The lemon is a lie
2041: the burger is a lie
for cave johnson and andrew ryan they embody the phrase "the road to hell is paved with good intentions" both started down the path of trying to do good but both ended up in a living hell.
Except no.
Because if they truly had good intentions then they wouldn't have murdered people the moment they had the power to bring those intentions to fruition.
If I want to save animals, I won't torture them until they die and honestly awful experiments whose data is borderline unusable BECAUSE of how unnecessarily dangerous they are.
Unwilling participants fuck with results.
Unnecessary amounts of increased stressed and danger (aka, uncontrollable variables) also fuck with results.
A MASSIVE part of ethics is simply asking:
Is this necessary?
Is this useful?
Is this being done consistently and in a way that ensures successful data collection??
Are we maintaining necessary quality control within the research environment??
Are we ensuring everyone involved is willing to participate???
Are people going to be dying, thus leading to setbacks???
Is the original idea even based on pre-existing proven research???
Or is this a wild goose chase that will take money and resources, including the participating parties, away from much more viable and sound projects?
*Because nothing is MORE unethical than wasting resources by killing/torturing a bunch of test subjects and researchers in poorly executed experiments in pursuit of a goal that was never going to be achieved anyways.*
If you have good intentions, you would never intentionally do that.
You would avoid that AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE.
*And that's the point of these games.*
That no, you really shouldn't allow people with power to go around just doing shit unchecked because they feel like it.
That no, you really shouldn't hurt people to achieve your goals.
And that if someone with bad intentions can ruin THIS many lives...
*Maybe we should rethink our systems then, because the honor systems is bullshit.*
You shouldn't trust authority, no matter how it tried to spin the story.
*No one isolates large groups of people while giving themselves absolute control over them and their right to life/die WITHOUT bad intentions.*
There are better ways to achieve progress BOTH in terms of morality AND effectiveness.
Ways that involves everyone having autonomy and a say in their society.
*These tyrants were NEVER going to do better, otherwise they simply would have.*
They make them funny.
They make them human.
*But at the end of the day, it was inevitable that something would go wrong if one man could simply kill a fuck-ton of people on a whim.*
*And the types of people who want that power are NOT going to be the types of people you WANT having that power.*
*So it shouldn't exist.*
Having a God/Savior complex while torturing people to death to achieve your own aspirations isn't the result of "good intentions", it's the result of systematic narcissistic abuse.
Except no.
Because if they truly had good intentions then they wouldn't have murdered people the moment they had the power to bring those intentions to fruition.
If I want to save animals, I won't torture them until they die and honestly awful experiments whose data is borderline unusable BECAUSE of how unnecessarily dangerous they are.
Unwilling participants fuck with results.
Unnecessary amounts of increased stressed and danger (aka, uncontrollable variables) also fuck with results.
A MASSIVE part of ethics is simply asking:
Is this necessary?
Is this useful?
Is this being done consistently and in a way that ensures successful data collection??
Are we maintaining necessary quality control within the research environment??
Are we ensuring everyone involved is willing to participate???
Are people going to be dying, thus leading to setbacks???
Is the original idea even based on pre-existing proven research???
Or is this a wild goose chase that will take money and resources, including the participating parties, away from much more viable and sound projects?
*Because nothing is MORE unethical than wasting resources by killing/torturing a bunch of test subjects and researchers in poorly executed experiments in pursuit of a goal that was never going to be achieved anyways.*
If you have good intentions, you would never intentionally do that.
You would avoid that AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE.
*And that's the point of these games.*
That no, you really shouldn't allow people with power to go around just doing shit unchecked because they feel like it.
That no, you really shouldn't hurt people to achieve your goals.
And that if someone with bad intentions can ruin THIS many lives...
Maybe we should rethink our systems then, because the honor systems is bullshit.
*You shouldn't trust authority when it hurts people, no matter how it tried to spin the story or what goal they're trying to achieve.*
*No one isolates large groups of people while giving themselves absolute control over them and their right to life/die WITHOUT bad intentions.*
There are better ways to achieve progress BOTH in terms of morality AND effectiveness.
Ways that involves everyone having autonomy and a say in their society.
*These tyrants were NEVER going to do better, otherwise they simply would have.*
After all, they were the only person given the choice by their own design.
They make them funny.
They make them human.
*But at the end of the day, it was inevitable that something would go wrong if one man could simply kill a fuck-ton of people on a whim.*
*And the types of people who want that power are NOT going to be the types of people you WANT having that power.*
*So it shouldn't exist.*
Having a God/Savior complex while torturing people to death to achieve your own aspirations isn't the result of "good intentions", it's the result of systematic narcissistic abuse.
You can't simultaneously be the all powerful God emperor AND just some little guy with big dreams who didn't mean anything by it. OwO
When you give yourself ALL the power, your intentions become clear through how you use it and NOT whatever bullshit you keep telling yourself to justify it.
Like legitimately, it's just narcissism and unfortunately that tactic is VERY effective even when you obviously make them the villian.
You see the lemon after you escape someone or something like you see the lemon after u escape huggy and you seethe lemonadeposter after you escape the playhouse, you see lemons after you save your life, my theory is that it's paying homage to the phrase "when life gives you lemons"
15:28
I have to comment on this theory and why I think Stella isn't poppy. Well, we know that poppy is one of the oldest toys if not one of the very first ones alongside the rat experiment, so if we said Stella is poppy then we are saying Stella died too many years ago which is completely false, we saw a VHS in chapter 3 that shows Stella was alive before the hour of joy, and when we do not know the timeline of that vhs it seems to be after mommy was created and mommy was created after poppy so it makes no sense at all. Either the Poppy we are interacting with is indeed Stella BUT that only could happen if she wasn't the original or the first version of Poppy that was created years ago
To be fair, we don't actually *know* Poppy was one of the earliest, we just assumed. Also, the tape in chapter 3 could be way before the hour of joy. To be entirely honest, very few things in PPT have a date, so there are lots of assumptions.
Then there's also the chance that there are multiple poppies.
@Tericho what if when the original poppy was created it wasn't an actual human being? the company started with generic toys that had nothing to do with experimenting on people but then after that rat experiment Elliot started to get invested in the idea of creating living toys and he started it by using small parts of human bodies (which is why they found parts of a boy in Elliot's office), but then as Elliot died Harley decided to create a bigger version of Poppy by using Stella who didn't know anything about what happened. I think this may make a little bit of sense, but as you said we don't really know the full timeline of some events and when they occured
Also, we heard game station dialogue, Stella literally mentioned mommy long legs which is created in 1992.
If Stella is poppy then she wouldn't be there barking in game station and called herself Stella. Her accent is also different, she has Dutch accent in her human self.
@@afterthenElliot Ludwig died?
@@Terichoyes but we did technically find out when Poppy was made from the uh NFTs..on the back of it it says Poppy was made in 1950
Limón?
Limón :D
¿Limón
The clear Portal inspiration behind Poppy is a huge chunk of why I've fallen so in love with the series, it's super exciting to hear it discussed more!
"Not FNAF, but some of the greatest games of all time..." Ouch!
Hahaha it wasn't meant that way. But yeah, for me Portal and Bioshock are up there as some of the GOATs.
33:04 nice bioshock refrence
The people who called poppy playtime a fnaf clone, even when it was just chapter 1, probably need glasses.
How the hell was it a fnaf clone when the only things the two have in common is mascots and dead kids ???
Frankly, it was more of a bendy clone
Never found it the same as ether one at all.
But poppy didn't guide us tho. First one we did it by ourselves. Second one we did most of the guilding cos poppy was caught. Third one Olly guilded us.
"Give me ur life for science!!! "
"Um no thanks"
"We'll give u chocolate cake :D! "
"Deal."
Tericho...My man you were already my favorite lore channel, then you had to go and call Portal 2 the greatest game of all time. And ACTUALLY PRONOUNCE GLaDOS' name PROPERLY.
I am already subscribed, and I want to subscribe again.
((I wish youtube had a photo attachment option - because I'd show you my GLaDOS tattoo haha!!))
I've been on the edge of my chair waiting for new content from you, and THIS was well worth the wait, cheers!
As far as I can remember, Portal was the first game I ever went down the rabbit hole on, I am also fairly certain it was how I stumbled across MatPat with his theory on the companion cubes. I Love the series! Sad we will probably never get a Portal 3.
Thank you for the kind words though!
*Also I have pretty much all the socials if you wanted to find me somewhere!
@@Tericho I believe I found ya on Twitter ^^
The developers seeing him making a half hour long theory on their placeholder:
Write that down! Write that down!
Holy cow i never knew a freaking lemon would get us this deeper into the story. Craziest theory I've seen so far. But at the end of the day, its just a theory. Good job tericho.
I feel a lot of people keep on forgetting Poppy was too happy to force the player to stay in the Factory, even though they were wanting to leave in Chapter 2, by forcefully changing the train tracks and eliminiating any possible ability the player can have to leave properly.
B-but lemon is life, lemon is love 😢
That explains why in the chapter one vhs intro, the announcer stated that Poppy is the FIRST truly intelligent doll in the world. She is basically hiding her intelligent side and only let us see what she wants us to see: an innocent doll who was forcibly locked in her case and wants revenge.
Kissy missy being the protector rather than huggy still ties to bioshock seeing in bio2 the big sisters where made as a more offense and ruthless protector to the lil sisters given how Adam obsessed the splicers are
This video makes me hella happy coz I noticed the bioshock undertones because I love the story telling and world building in bioshock
OMG!!! I BEEN WONDERING WHAT IS THE SIGNIFICANCE OF THE P IN THE HOLE FOR PLAYTIME!!! AND YOU FOUND IT!!! ITS A PORTAL!!! I always thought Poppy playtime was similar to Portal and I thought this was obvious! Good job, Sir. Well done. Quality video.
not the lemon!
Not the lemon 😭
Edit : holy sh** this theory is actually crazy good 💀
ok
stop doing "edit:"
@@The_Real_Mini what you gonna do about it ?
@@The_Real_Minibuddy he can write whatever he wants
¿Limón?
Limón :D
This makes me so happy as Portal2 was my comfort game growing up. Chapter three made me think of portal2 sooo much, especially going into playcare, reminded me of the big testing areas with Cave ☺️
This was so worth the wait, not only have I just learned about BioShock lore and the game itself, but I’ve also been opened up to the theory of the lemon! Having multiple universes like PPT, BioShock, and Portal being connected would be absolutely amazing as well. Also the fact that you can make an entire theory based on a singular lemon and have major leads to what the future of PPT would be and who certain characters are is just golden
I loved bioshock and portal. Everything about both games were pleasing, and everytime I heard someone talk about the lemon in poppy playtime, I always thought back to Cave Johnson’s speech. Phenomenal theory tericho!
The lemon is too strong!
Your content always amazes me. You really do go down rabbit holes that seem small but end up explaining and predicting things in ways I never would have though. I haven't watched anyone play bioshock or portal but now I'm intrigued. Thanks for the amazing content as usual Terry!
Lemons don't exists and can't hurt me 😱😨
WOOHOO THE LEMON THEORY!! ive been do excited for this one
This theory is fantastic. You’ve been working on this one for a minute, haven’t you? Excellent job, can’t wait to share it.
It has been weeks! I am so glad you enjoyed it!
I am absolutely impressed on how you did this. Keep up the good work Tericho🔥😀
I have become addicted to your channel in the last few weeks. Just the way you think of things is very interesting and your voice is amazing 🥰
Thank you! I am so glad you enjoy the content!
love your vids tericho! you have so many great and interesting theories!
I have been looking forward to this since you started to mention it and it did not disappoint!
I'll admit Stella as Poppy isn't my favorite theory (overall - I've heard it many places), but it is logical. And the implications from the other connections you made here are more interesting as well!
Great job putting this together. Clearly it was a lot of work, and it made a great video!
Another great video. I heard what you did at the end of the video. Lol " would you kindly" .. well played.
Every time I hear some compare one game to another like at the start of the video I always ask myself why should we care? As you just demonstrated in this video art inspire art all the time so of course our favorite bits of media will take inspiration from each other, viewing comparisons or tropes like even in mascot horror in a negative light is just a cynical way of brushing of the creators hard work
Tericho, there is someone stronger than the prototype it is LIMON
"It's just a FNAF clone"
Hmm does it feature you sitting in a office with a fan with a dude talking to you about animatronics that kill you
Does it feature you having to close doors
Does it feature a fan
No, it features a lemon.
No god, No king.
Lemon.
- Lemon.
I really enjoyed watching this video! Please make videos like this.
This video was amazing great job!
I love ur content so much tericho! Also limon!
I know they're older games but I would absolutely love to see you play though all these games! Idk if you have before or if you've done lore videos on them or anything but I'd still watch cause I love these games!
I have streamed Bioshock on Twitch before. But if nothing else, this video has made me really want to branch out a bit more again this year!
FINALLY I HAVE BEEN WAITING FOR THIS
this theory was amazing!
It'd be ridiculous if you actually managed to hit the nail on the head with this theory.
And I don't know who drew him, but the chibi Tericho in the lower right is flipping adorable.
Haha the lower right is actually one of my Twitch emotes that I repurposed!
@@TerichoAnother theory of yours that carries even more validity is the one where you theorized the player was a toy. If you listen to the player's footsteps in this latest chapter, they sound off, not rubber sneakers on metal kind of sound. They sound like plastic or some other hard surface like fiberglass. The player may not be a toy, but they're not human either.
"Would you kindly leave this video a like?"
Me: **grins and does so because how can one not?**
A man chooses. A CZcams viewer obeys.
@@Tericho Ahh, but I did choose, for how can one prove otherwise? ^_~
“No gods or kings only man” - Andrew Ryan
*le gasp* a limeon!
you have made some very good points for poppy betraying us , and that's why I don't buy it , It seems too
obvious
for mob
they did things that seemed like setups for characters that went nowhere , for example
bron had plenty of things pointing towards him being a boss
and that went nowhere
catbee also had some admittedly smaller bits pointing to her being a boss but still
mob from what I've seen doesn't go for the obvious
people thought it would be another typical mascot horror game with light horror
then it's revealed that the organs of orphans are being used to create the living toys
and they didn't only talk about the hour of joy like any other horror game would about it's horrific events
they actually showed the hour of joy , the toys going on a rampage killing all in sight
they like to subvert people's expectations , and that's why I think poppy will turn out to be genuinely good
still a good theory though :D
What about Ollie though? Cos he/she became another leader for the player in chapter 3. 22:11
I also want to say, this theory makes TOTAL sense, and I'm so glad you delved into it and shared it! Thank you Tericho!
33:04 I see you, Tericho… don’t think this went unnoticed by us haha
THE LEMON THEORY! *finaly! :D*
lol imagine if the most important theory of poppy playtime was called "the lemon theory"
I loved this whole video, the wait was worth it 🎉
The fact that a lemon made one of your biggest theories 😂😂😂😂
25:05 "Caroline in Bioshock"
Lol script error
This video was amazing tho
Wow this video has surprisingly low views. Great video!!
Oh, I saw this right away, underground bunker, a singular man with a vision, a sentient being controlling everything making your life hell.
Would you kindly leave the video a like. I see what you did there. Nice touch 😊
Limón
The portal lemons where pretty naturally introduced in my opinion. "When life gives you lemons" is a well known phrase and portal 2 has humour as a major part of it, so going on a tangent about blowing up a house with lemons is pretty on-brand as a one time tangent of a dying man.
In Poppy playtime on multiple occasions we have been introduced to the concept that living toys were hallucinating a different world than it was in reality. Living a lie. Maybe the player is also convinced that he's an ex-employee but in fact he never left the facility, he was made there, perhaps resurrected dead employee or a child? He's also kind of short and he's "perfect"... By the way, this hour of joy was kind of overly emotionally explained to us by Poppy and a bit like 'in your face'. Also, the added dialog from Ollie after defeating catnap sounds a bit like he was jealous, 'oh you have defeated catnap, you must be very proud of yourself... 🙄'. And maybe it's a game, these are toys after all. Get to the prototype and kill it. Dying, failing and not even remembering that it happened several times already. I'm really curious how it will continue to develop, there's a potential
“Alright, I've been thinking. When life gives you lemons, don't make lemonade - make life take the lemons back! Get mad! I don't want your damn lemons, what am I supposed to do with these? Demand to see life's manager. Make life rue the day it thought it could give Cave Johnson lemons. Do you know who I am? I'm the man who's gonna burn your house down! With the lemons. I'm going to to get my engineers to invent a combustible lemon that burns your house down!”
I love the video!❤ But I do have a few critiques.
1. Poppy was created in the 1950s and Stella is still alive in the early 1990s
2. I think you should show how other people agrees like your theories for example with you introduce how you and many others think that Poppy Playtime C3 is similar to Bioshock, you should have a collage of people thinking the same thing.❤❤❤
22:00 hmmm... yes... sister location... like seriously all of his points can be wound all the way back to fnaf: sl, weren't we trying to get away from fnaf in the first place?
At this point, I don't think there are any surviving orphans that weren't turned into toys. Unless there is a way to reverse the transformation, the only one who can be saved is the player character, provided they aren't a toy themselves.
I agree with this. I think they may have tried to save the kids, but eventually food would be scarce, and the kids would grow up, which would possibly cause a misunderstanding, leading to the kids deaths at around 15-17 years of age. There might be 1-3 survivors though, but they also may be near death anyway. This outcome seems more dark and interesting.
finally after such a long time waiting
Fantastic theory, Apart from already thinking you meant Portal when you said about lemons I hadn't thought about all the other similarities. I also realise I'm a sucker for a game with looooorrrreeee!!!
The $60 thing was in the 60's if i recall correctly when Aperture had minimal funds (in Portal 2 you go through the Enrichment center through various ages/decades, each denoted by unique font and styles of the equipment being used.
I loved the bioshock-esc intro for chapter 3, as it is my favourite game franchise I adored it being nigh identical to the intro
♪3.14 this is pi! THE LEMONS ARE LIES!♪
Now I NEED to play Portal 2 XD
AMAZING theory btw, it was definitely worth the wait ;D
What a fun theory! Thanks for all the effort it took to put this together.
Such a good analysis
I love how all of these stories are a new version of "Frankenstein"! ❤️
The summary of portal feels a bit disingenuous. The company didn’t start taking in homeless people until AFTER they went broke. Before that, they took people who had “bent the world to their will”. Olympians, war heroes, etc. And the portal gun never actually got released to the public-thats why they’re still performing tests on it so many years later. The workers were used in experiments because they ran out of money and started canibalising their work force…but they were very open about it. Idk, it just feels like the description was bent a lot in order to make it fit the comparison
None of that really detracts from the point though. The point isn't that the stories are 1:1, as I state towards the end of the video, the point is that there are too many similarities for it to be a coincidence.
Also. The vid is already half an hour long so I can't really be deep diving Into all three games, well, I could, but then the video would be insanely long.
@@TerichoI also have to disagree on your view of Glados=Poppy.
Just like you said, Glados and the PROTOTYPE are smart and always learning mechanical creations that rebel against their creators, plunging the factory into decay.
This pretty clearly makes 1006 a paralel to GLaDOS, so wouldn't that prove that 1006 is the evil one rather than Poppy?
@@riskopalfi801yeah but Glados have similarities with both
Mechanical - Glados, Poppy, Prototype
Human consciousness transferred - Glados, Poppy, Prototype
You get the idea, Glados is mechanical and responsible for the downfall of her company like the Prototype, but also manipulative like Poppy
@@TerichoIt's not that I don't believe that there is a lot of inspiration from portal. The very mechanic of the hand gun with duel functionality feels like it was ripped right out of late 2000s gameplay mechanics in the best way. I just feel as though in making some of the comparisons you did, it implies that portal shares more with poppy than is really fair for both games. I don't think you needed to do a deep dive into the games, but in switching around and presenting certain facts in a different order to how they're revealed in game, it completely changes the meaning behind the games.
For example, Poppy's experiments are framed as sinister under the counter science--it is consciously cruel and preying on the weak because it can, all fueled by corporate greed in a way that feels dirty and underhanded. It wants you to hate the scientists for how carefully calculated their decisions were.
Meanwhile portal feels...I guess you could say more open about it? It's a company who's specialty IS science experiments on people. They're not hiding how dangerous it can get. Sure, they're very blase about the danger and their ethics are often something to be desired, but the callousness of corporate greed never feels like it factors into it. They're just so interested in the science, that they really only care about the employees when their safety benefits the company. Aperture shows the price of corporate negligence where poppy shows the price of corporate cruelty.
Aperture is sorta representing hubris whereas poppy is representing greed. By framing the two as one in the same, it portrays portal as having a very different tone, and implies that poppy shared that same tone with portal. I don't know if you read all of this comment, and I appreciate if you did take the time to. I think the comparisons you make to these older games are interesting and I enjoyed hearing your perspective. I only felt like the way portal gets described weakened the argument slightly is all.
15:51 acctually made me think of portal 2 the first time i saw it. it looks like the huge sphear in the enrichment centre part
"I'm going to get my engineers to invent a combustible lemon, THAT BURNS YOUR HOUSE DOWN!!!"
Apparently I'm not the only one to notice this after watching a video yesterday, but I noticed that the cave puzzle sections in Chapter 3 IMMEDIATELY reminded me of the underground sections in Portal 2, like significantly similar vibes.
Holy crap... I loved Portal and the first thing I said about the grabpack is "Hey... This rhing reminds me of the Portal Gun!"
Gosh I LOVE Portal and Bioshock! And now I have a new appreciation for Poppy Playtime and can’t wait to see what they continue to do with the narrative. Also, I have to share this, the novel “Rapture” by John Shirley is an AMAZING (in my humble opinion) prequel to the Bioshock games. I highly recommend it!
Really bro you are the combined version of issac newton + albert Einstein+ stephen Hawkins you make theories that are really similar to the global science theories you are really so intelligent and deep thinker dont have words to appreciate you ❤❤❤
"And one of the lemons turned out to have a pulling pin. Oh no..."
Huh...I may not have played or watched someone play half life or the other game you mentioned that I forgot that had similarities with poppy playtime but Woah, you made a LOT of sense of every theory you make.🤩😮
One of the few great theorists left on youtube keep up the
So glad you've covered the Lemon Theory Tericho🤘🏻
the thumbnail omg😭😭 i love the Jurassic park reference
Duuuuude this is crazy.
This is by far the craziest poppy playtime theory I’ve heard.
I used to say that I don’t trust poppy but I also had my doubts, but now I am 101% sure she is not on our side.
Props to you man, this definitely took an insane amount of time and brain cells. Seriously though, this is insane.
I’m showing this to my friends, great job man.
2007: The Cake Is a Lie! Portal
2024: The Lemon is a Lie! Poppy Playtime
The moment in Chapter 2 when you escape Pugapillar and cross a gap is an exact reiteration of Portal 2 'This is the part where he kills you'. That being said, you greatly forgot my boi Wheatley in your equation. Glados might have taunted us with freedom, she gave it to us in the end, while Wheatley promised to help us and finally did worse than her. I see the two-sided dynamic here between Team Poppy and Team Prototype.
But I can do you one better, the last tape from Chapter 1 is an hommage to the first Pokemon movie 'Mewtwo strikes back', where they attempted to create the strongest artificial pokemon alife and also tortured it, not acknowledging it's great sentience. "I am not worried about myself, one breakthrough and I am back." it sounds more like they were searching for eternal life, further amplified by Stella's ramblings in that chapter about eternal childhood. Oh btw. We know Mommy Longlegs was walking around Playcare, who says that Poppy did not? She being Stella and head of something does not bite with being a doll. We even see depictions of Poppy with wrench and worker's head. She might have continued her position as a toy.
When will you put out your Poppy Playtime Second World War theory?
Thanks for the video and the throwback, good work as always!
As others have said, Poppy is definitely not Stella. I saw what you replied to the other comment with, saying that there could be multiple living Poppy’s and the one we meet isn’t the first, however the problem with that is Poppy’s scrapped dialogue for the Chapter 2 ending confirms that she is the first, saying that her being able to exist as a doll has killed a lot of people.
the wait was ABSOLUTELY worth it :) Maybe, we play as "the girl"
@Tericho i always knew there was something wrong with lemon
All I can say is I HOPE they're not using other games as influence, because at that point, it stops being original. Portal 2 in particular was crap. Boring game with easy puzzles and a villain that got old in the first 4 minutes. Bio Shock was OK in the first game, but the story wasn't brilliant, especially when it reached the multiverse/time travel nonsense.
At the current time, I trust Poppy more than prototype and I'm 80% certain ollie is the prototype manipulating both us and Poppy. Not ruling out Poppy as a villain, but the tone and the verbal cues delivering the lines, that leads me to believe Poppy is most likely to be good because she has actually shown compassion and concern for others. The prototype, not so much.
Thanks to you, I had a hankering to pull out the ole Bioshock, so thanks for that, I reckon:)
Enjoy! I loved the excuse to play through again!