Why do helicopters use runways? | Cabri G2 | Student Pilot
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- Why do helicopters use runways and taxiways when they are perfectly capable of taking off from almost anywhere? I discuss some of the mean reasons why in this video. Plus we'll discuss where helicopter pilots hands should be during a flight. I'm off on another navigation flight in the Cabri G2 so there's plenty of flying and radio action too.
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I'm just a low time single engine land and helicopter pilot. I knew I would learn something from you,
Good explanation Rory. A few decades ago when training, I was also told using fixed wing taxi procedures and circuits helps anyone in the tower (especially those busy weekend airfields) maintain visuals on aircraft using the field.
Yeah, absolutely Clive. I did say other pilots but of course the guys and girls in the tower need to know what we're doing too. Thanks for watching.
when I learned in a Robinson R22 there was no governor. One would always be adjusting the throttle. I liked the comment.
Yeah the governor is a major help. Thanks for watching!
Just wanted to say how impressed I was with your competence in the air. As chief pilot of a VIP operation, its good to see that the new generation of pilots are taking this career seriously and considering safety. Well done and if you ever want a p2 along for the ride, give me a shout anytime 👍 cheers and fly safe.
MfourMike Hi Mike, thanks very much for your kind comment. I’m flattered and pleased you liked what you saw in my video. I’m really enjoying the learning process and the extra input from people on here has been a bonus in addition to the formal training I’ve been getting. As for a flight, let’s see what happens when I get a licence! All the best, Rory.
Thoroughly enjoying the content and once Covid is over I will be off to my local airport at Shoreham (Sussex) to book a trial lesson. Thanks Rory.
Excellent news! I’m delighted you enjoyed the video, thank you.
Very interesting Rory. I'm glad you put the runway/taxiway question to bed. I had been wondering but thought it might have been a silly question. lol.
Ian Livsey not a silly question at all Ian. I hope I covered most things on my explanation. I didn’t really touch on helicopter performance issues but we’ll maybe do that another time.
Just had a wonderful time listening to you talking to Birmingham Approach whilst “ seeing “ you on FR24 and listening on Global tuner all while sitting in my lounge room in Sydney , Australia . Ah the wonders of science . You are still airborne as “ helicentre 67 “ enroute to Leicester , hope the landing goes well . My best wishes .
That's amazing David! Isn't technology incredible. I bet you could hear the controller clearer than I could too? When I asked for a basic service it was impossible to make out what he said even after I had climbed a bit. I must have sounded like a right idiot.
Rory On Air . Ha ha , no you sounded very professional . Yes I could hear the controller clearly , sounded like one of the older generation of controllers . I thought it was amusing when he suggested you didn’t say “ student “ as part of your call sign . All my best wishes and hopefully I’ll get back to the UK soon when this dreaded situation eases . I always look forward to your videos , very informative .👍
David Cartwright yes, that made me laugh too because I couldn’t hear what he said to I said ‘say again, student HC67’ 🤦🏼♂️ we got there in the end. 👍
Nice vid, Rory! 👍🏻 Very educational to tag along on your training flights! 👌🏻
ForFunFlyer cheers Jolmer. 👍
Very informative stuff Rory, every video of yours I watch makes me want to take up Heli flying a bit more!
Nice one Joe, I'm glad you're enjoying them!
Very interesting vid Rory, it's always good to know these things. Good luck with your training 🤞
Thanks Kevin. I'm pleased you"re enjoying the heli vidoes. Cheers, Rory
Informative, entertaining, edited to perfection...Outstanding. Loving these Heli vids. MEGZ is waiting for you whenever you want to fly a C42 again buddy.
Let's Go Flying legend - thanks mate. Glad you’re enjoying the heli stuff.
Another great video Rory.
John Hodgkiss thanks very much John. 👍
Very good video Rory! Interesting to learn that it’s good practice to fly with your hand on or near the collective. And I used to wonder why helis used the runways - we get a lot at Kemble but after learning it became quite clear that it’s so much safer! Nice one!!
Ben Atkinson cheers mate, glad you enjoyed it. The reason behind most things in aviation seems to be safety!
Loved this one Rory! Very slick with the picture in picture stuff and liked the graphics with points of interest on. Thanks for the great content as ever. Really fun to watch. Hopefully one day I will be able to afford to get my PPL(H) as I don't think I'll ever be able to afford CPL(H). Thanks for showing us a bit if what it is like. Keep up the great work 👏🚁
Robert Sapsed thanks very much Robert - I’m really glad you enjoyed this one. I hope you manage to get your PPL(H) at some stage.
Rory thank you for this explanation about 'Runway' & 'Taxiways' That cleared up the confusion. Didn't know about the collective but now I do. Fly safe and stay safe
Gary Dell cheers Gary - I’m glad this answered your questions. 🚁👍
Great video again Rory & very interesting following your adventures. Recommend permanent autorotation in an autogyro rotorcraft 😁. Hope to see you Manchester Barton or Kirkbride Cumbria
Definitely something I'd like to try one day. Both great airfields! Thanks for watching.
Great video Rory, I’m ex 657 Squadron Army Air Corp and was based in Oakington for 6 years so nice to see areas I’m very familiar with.
Thanks for sharing
chris stephenson cheers Chris - thanks for commenting. Did you fly the Lynx then?
Nice video Rory.
The Flying Reporter thanks Jon. 👍
Guaranteed obstacle clearance and many times you’ll be at a controlled aerodrome where RWs and TWYs are controlled so it’s just safer for all involved
Another fantastic Video Rory, I want to go out and learn to fly a helicopter now!😀
Flying Scotsman it’s absolutely magic to be honest. Its not easy but that’s part of the fun. I love it.
Very interesting and informative video Rory. Nice to have the interaction with our viewers isn't it?
Are you there most days of the week?
Jodel Flyer yeah it’s great when people ask questions and make me think about things. I’m usually there a couple of days a week now because we are doing the ground school via zoom at home now. I was in 5 days a week pre Covid.
Thanks for the video
My pleasure. 👍
You really make your videos very interesting. You need your own documentary on getting a helicopter pilots license. Keep it up brother 💪
Thanks very much Ronnie - that's very kind of you to say. I have SO MUCH more to learn. It'll be a lifelong quest of knowledge and experience but it's great fun and I'm glad to be able to share some of it here.
@@RoryOnAir Well I think you will have a very successful career in aviation. You have shown to be a bright and hard working young man. I can't wait for your next video. Have a great day sir and stay safe 🙏
@@ronnieeubanks6559 Ah you're too kind. Thank you.
Ooh, ooh, ooh, me sir, me sir, I know . LOL! Another great and interesting, video Rory, keep em coming!
Glad you enjoyed it Muso!
Thanks Rory.
Here's another question:- Why, in RT communications, do you state where you've come from/and are going to and all points in between? And not just the leg that you are on and final destination (and that you're on a cross country flight)?
I'm about 30 hours into my CPL(H) and have yet to to use a runway..we do use taxiways for takes offs, though!. (Well, any clear area that doesn't cross the active runway). Flying from a smallish controlled (Canadian) airport. We have our own circuit height and arrival/departure routes which seperates us from the seized wing traffic. In real terms, only a minority of our landings/take-offs, once we enter the real world, will be from airports/airfields.
Sounds like good fun to me. I’d love to do some flying in Canada. Thanks for watching. 👍
Great stuff Rory! I'm more if a fixed wing kinda guy. Never though it be watching and subscribed to a helicopter channel lol
Reu Sin thanks very much for subscribing and I’m delighted you are enjoying my channel. I fly planes too - in fact my next video is in a plane. Cheers!
When I've done a couple lessons in helicopters we've had separate helicopter taxiways and landing points that we'd use. I been focusing on getting my fixed wing private license at the moment though.
I think that's quite common at sme airfields but they are all different with unique procedures. The variety is all part of the fun!
Hi Rory, I’m a totally blind aviation geek.
Love all the videos you do. Great stuff, about why helicopters use runways. I kind of expected that. At some point in the course, are you going to do something where you operate off of a Helly deck to learn that? Or some other off airport facility?
cjsims3000 hey, thanks for your comment and I’m delighted you enjoy the videos I make. We have done some confined areas lessons but we won’t be using any heli decks during the course. I hope we might get the chance to do more off airfield landings though.
Ahhaaaaaa, so that’s why. Makes perfect sense when you think about it. Safety all the way. Cheers.
911HRW glad you enjoyed the video! Thanks for watching. 👍
I have been on a couple dozen helicopter rides before in the USA and the only time we ever used a runway to take off was in Paris France. I guess what ever works is fine but saves a lot of gas not using one. You have to follow the rules though, thanks for the lesson Rory!!! ;-)
dick moore cheers Dick. I guess I’m explaining why I have been using one rather than saying people should. If it’s safe and practical not to then that’s absolutely fine but for me as a learner when saving a couple of minutes isn’t the aim of the game then it’s safer to use the runway.
would have loved to have seen the entire flight. I used to live at Spalding and when you first mentioned your routing, I was excited to be able to see if from the air! Oh well, perhaps next time...
Skatez69 sorry about that. It doesn’t come out too well on the camera angles I have at the moment so I’ve been keeping the ending tight. What’a the square tall building near the centre of Spalding which looks like a stool with red legs? Is it a temple?
@@RoryOnAir It's Chatterton Water Tower where all the water for the town comes from. Since it's in the middle of the fens, gravity needs a little helping hand to give sufficient water pressure. Most villages in the area also have one - www.spaldingvoice.co.uk/feature-the-landmark-through-which-every-drop-of-fresh-water-in-spalding-area-passes/
Rory fantastic video as usual. I wonder why don't you create a different channel for helicopter and one for air-planes? Also another question. If you were in a position to choose that you could only fly either helicopters or air-planes what would you choose?
Bernardini Emanuele I think two channels would be a nightmare to manage and to be honest the fact that Rory On Air features both types of flying is partly what makes it unique and interesting - hope that’s how people see it anyway. Fortunately I’m not in a position where I have to choose as that would be hard, but I haven’t flown a plane since October.
Great video Rory as always - loving the helicopter stuff. Does that aircraft have trim controls on it ? Im not used to that in the R44, or at least in the ones Ive flown lol. Great explanation of the Height velocity diagram
Paul Bury thanks very much Paul - glad you’re enjoying the heli videos. Yeah, the cyclic has a trim hat switch on the top of it.
Don't want to get my feet wet ha ha
Hi Rory. I’ve just found your channel and am enjoying watching your progress with the helicopter course. What is your aim once you get your license? Do you plan to instruct or go to the North Sea? All the best Jim
Hi Jim, I'm glad you found me and that you're enjoying my videos. To be honest my main focus is to get the licence and the see what opportunities come up. I really like the idea of instructing at Helicentre but I'd also like to do some time on the North Sea too at some stage. I guess we'll see what happens!
Great video Rory!! Very educational. Very worth the 13 hours of rendering!! Does the UK teach T.E.M training like how ingrained T.E.M is taught in schools in NZ?
Thanks very much Chris. Yeah, we are discussing TEM on the course. It's not a specific module as such but it's ingrained in everything really. I'm just glad I didn't have to re-render!
@@RoryOnAir It's always interesting seeing how slight variations of the training is in other countries.
Hi Rory, another interesting video. I notice that the kneeboard is on your left leg. Are you a south paw and if not can you let go of the control stick safely to write on the kneeboard?
Well spotted. I am right handed and I can't write with my left. You absolutely can't let go of the cyclic once the rotors are running so I have to try and remember what I need to or in cruise flight I can just about fly with my left hand and write with my right. It's not easy!
Well, lets see, the reasons I've used runways and taxiways over the years (post training) are simply;
1. Sometimes the tower insists I use the runway
2. Sometimes the school I rent from insists I use the runway
3. Sometimes its simply more convenient to use the runway and/or taxiway - for instance at an unfamiliar airfield at night, or maybe there are four runways and practicing to the one that's off away from the others keeps me away from all the airplane traffic, where I can be nice and alone,..or maybe I'm just going in that direction anyway, so may as well take off over the taxiway.
4. Sadly not every airfield has a nicely lighted helipad and/or open ramp to which to land and/or practice
Then you may wonder why we even use an airfield to begin with. Well, in my case, the schools I rented from wouldn't let me land off-airport unless a cfi came alone first to checkout the area,...which in many cases isn't worth the hassle,...or extra fee!
Joseph thanks for this Joseph - all of these make sense. I guess we’ll see how much I use runways post training.
Great video as alway Rory. Seems odd being given permission to takeoff when you are already several feet in the air!,
Stay safe and healthy.
Ha ha - yeah I know - I find that strange too as someone with a fixed wing background. We're basically just taxining though until we 'take off'.
An XY graph of height and forward velocity contains an area called the "dead man's curve" in the bottom corner. This is self explanatory...
Cheers Tony. I have included an HV diagram for the Cabri in this video as I'm sure you've seen but I wouldn't go as far as suggesting anything about helicopters is self explanatory for any non aviators watching!
I rory can you use your phone or a I pad for sorting your routs out. Or are you better off sqorking and putting your digits in the computer. It looks all the same when you are up there. Hope you understand what I am getting at philip. Take care buddy brilliant video as usual philip.
Yes, I use Skydemon software for route planning and the paper chart.
That's brilliant so you won't get losted. Have you ever got lost in your early days. I don't think you would get losted now because you are awesome now through brilliant training. Take care buddy phil. Happy flying rory philip.
Hi Rory,
Great video and thanks for the explanation. As a fixed wing pilot, I've always been confused by helicopter operations and wasn't even confident that they did always use runways at airfields.
But if I'm not mistaken, at the end of your video don't you actually land at the "H" without using the runway?
Assuming so, would you be able to explain how a fixed wing pilot would know your intentions in this situation? Maybe if you could mention the radio calls you made in this case as an example? Or do procedures vary with the airfield?
Keep up the good work!
Graham
Graham Thurston thanks Graham. Yeah Leicester has published heli procedures which are basically circuits at 700 AGL and the opposite direction to the planes doing circuits at 1000agl. We go to the H but still operate more or less in the runway orientations so the planks know where to look for us. It stops us taking up runway time and allows more traffic activity.
Thanks Rory.
Btw, is the active runway always the same for helicopters and fixed wing? I could imagine there are some runways at Leicester that wouldn't suit fixed wing (because of length) even if aligned to the wind
Graham Thurston generally they are the same, the active is usually the most appropriate runway for fixed wing traffic. They often use the longer one with a crosswind rather than a shorter one into wind if it’s light. Helicopters can do what they like so we sometimes use the more into wind direction.
Hi Rory, Could I ask the manufacturer, model and sticker price of the helicopter 🚁 have you created a vlog just on the helicopter?
John Fitzpatrick Hi John. It’s a Cabri G2 made by a French company called Guimbal. I don’t know the price exactly but I’m sure I heard something in the region of £320,000. I haven’t done a video just on the heli yet but it’s on my list. Thanks for watching.
Do you think not having your hand on the collective is a habit you've got used to on the fixed wing microlight?
Yes, I think it must be a factor. A well trimmed fixed wing in smooth conditions can be flown hands off quite a lot. Obviously you can't do that with a helicopter (unless it has an autopilot). I am just now trying to break the habit and keep my left hand on (or near) the collective as much as possible.
Why do you use a Helicentre followed by numerical suffix callsign, rather then the aircraft registration. Is the number personal to you? Thanks for the videos, always very interesting, especially as Leicester is my home airfield.
Paul Goffin hi Paul. Each instructor has two callsigns unique to them. A primary callsign and a secondary that adds 40 to their primary number. So I was operating on James’ secondary of helicentre 69 while he was out with a student using helicentre 29. I guess it’s easier to have a callsign rather than having to remember the heli registrations when you might fly several aircraft in one day. I will ask the instructors this week though.
19 plus 40 isn’t 69.
Graham Mills good spot Graham! Sorry - the primary I meant was HC29! 🤦🏼♂️🤪
Question: Are you sitting in the right hand seat because you're British, or is that the seat where one usually pilots a helicopter?
Hello, most helicopters are operated from the right seat when single pilot. There are some exceptions, like the Hughes 500 but usually heli pilots sit on the right. Thanks for watching.
@@RoryOnAir ;-)
While you're in the mood for answering silly questions, could tell me the reason why helicopter PICs sit on the right rather than the left which is normal for fixed wing aircraft? Very much enjoy your videos, by the way!
John Needham hi John, it’s a good question actually. I think it’s because most people are right handed and the cyclic needs the most precise movements and requires being held continuously (unless you have autopilot) so it makes sense for it to operated with your right hand. That means you want everything else accessible via your left hand so sitting on the right is logical.
@@RoryOnAir Thanks, Rory. That's another of life's mysteries solved for me.
A helicopter pilot once told me they sit on the right because they’re always right 😂
@@Woodymbr ha ha - now that's a much better answer! I'm having that...
There are many helicopters that are PIC’d from the left, not all are from the right. There are even STC’s to convert right hand to left hand PIC.
Roy how are you able to fund your training
georgelee lee I’ve borrowed money from my family and raided my own savings.
@@RoryOnAir just one more question from start to finish how much are lessons exams & medical oh and any other fees sorry for being nosy
georgelee lee it’s not an easy question to answer as there are so many variables but I’m sure panning to do a blog post about it. Ask me again in a few weeks and I’ll have something more detailed for you.
Helicopters in the UK use runways because they aren’t in the USA. There’s no specific reason why UK helicopters have to use runways, and the world’s most active aviation jurisdiction shows that they don’t actually need to; But the UK wants helicopters to use runways because they’ve always wanted them to do it and change is hard, and that’s as complicated as the answer need to be!
Interesting comment Mark but I think there's more to it than that to be honest. I'm yet to fly in the US though.
Rory On Air I’m merely observing that the USA has at least a hundred times as many helicopters as the USA, and they operate quite successfully with takeoff clearances from outside their hangars. (This is similar to “Why do radio conversations with NATS air traffic controllers need to be so verbose and take up so much time on the frequency?” which also comes down to “That’s the way we’ve always done it and we sure as heck won’t be changing it now even though virtually the entire world uses much simpler ICAO radiotelephone procedures quite successfully.”)
@@MarkNewtonFlies I learnt in the UK and it is still a novelty to use a runway, it just depends on the airport some not too many have a preference for using runways. I think Rory may not have too much experience outside of his training airfield.