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CFMOTO 450MT vs Royal Enfield Himalayan 452 ‖ Design & Features comparison...
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- čas přidán 12. 07. 2024
- In this video we do a side by side comparison of the Royal Enfield Himalayan 450 against the new CFMOTO 450MT. Which bike is the king of the lightweight adv class...
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Liking the retro looks of the RE
Yes, the traditional styling of the RE is definitely something I'd go for.
What retro those all LED light right?
@@itsmeee7364 yes the lights are LED but RE gives less robotic space ship vibe and more of a bike vibe.
Yeah the RE is beautiful while basically all the CF motos have looks that only a mother could love. With the exception of maybe the papio.
@@adityan3208 illiterate LED sucks in Enfields
I tried the RE 450 yesterday. And I was surprised in a positive way. That engine performes well. At low speed, nearly tickover it just rolled on, even up hill. Look forward to the Guerilla!
I look forward to the Guerrilla too! I want to ride that bike...
at the end of the day is what makes you smile. rode them both, liked CF riding position more, ordered the RE, go figure..but at the end of the day is what makes you smile more!
Great comment, agreed 👍
Another big difference is servicing the air filter. On the CF, pull the seat and the air filter is directly available. On the Enfield you have to remove the seat AND tank and then take apart an access panel.
That is a big difference, nice comment and I'm sure many (including me) didn't know that...
Tried them both today, the twin feels a lot better
And the price was double the price of Himalayan .
Himalayan is ride by wire, not cabled.
Veridian cruise is looking to develop a cruise control system for the himi. Might sway me to the himi if it’s available when I’m ready to buy
Also the cf is ride by cable, he must of got the two mixed up
😂😂😂
@@slakk5093There are aftermarket cruise control systems for the 450MT as well.
@@laaaliiiluuu yeah just looked it up, more expensive and complex because it need to use servo motors etc, vs just plug and play on the himi. Still awesome it’s available though
I love Royal Enfield, well after all I’ve got 2 of them. However, on this occasion I’ve ordered the CF Moto.
Wow, nice to hear that. 👏 Edit: just realised this might have sounded sarcastic on a post. Was meant genuinely, enjoy the new bike 🏍
...Ηonest!!
What two Enfield ya got..?
*Plough* 🎉
I got mine CF moto, and I hate it.
They lie about the weight and fuel consumption, my screen shows 4.1L /100km , measured at the gas station, its about 4.7L. That is a lot. My average with about 80kmh speed on the road is about 4.3-4,4L/100km. More then tenere 700, and has about the same KG.
What a fail of a bike.
Also, that "substantial guard" under the bike is like 1mm thick, hahah.
@@SatansBaby1
Change 15T front sprocket
One thing nobody is talking about is service intervals - at least here in Europe himi have 10k km while cf 6k km - one would have to pay almost double for just the oil changes to keep the warranty... no idea why all the Chinese have such short service intervals, maybe to keep the money flowing for the dealer?
Between the two I would pick the Royal Enfield Himalayan as there’s less plastic to damage when on an adventure ride abs you set it to off and that’s it so why have a big switch on the CF Moto it feels like a afterthought to me. What will the availability of the CF MOTOs plastic parts in 5-10 years time? Remember the Lifan 125 road bike correct they have all but disappeared these days RE have been trading since 1901…
Your words cleared one of my doubt .
Plastic is cheaper to replace than metal. And also no one would use this 450s for freaking 20 years.
@@fu8115 Still MT450 Is double the price of Himalayan...
I about to chose the RE, just to also buy me into the brand and history. Rode one for two days in the South of France. Excellent motorbike, also for on rode with 34 km per liter, in case that interests you.
Mostly in India nowadays uneducated people buy royal Enfield because they think its prestigious to own like it was in 1980's
Its metal vs plastic😬
I prefer metal over plastics, but...
The mt is a much better bike.
following your thoughts, an Hima 450 is better of an Honda Africa Twin because have less plastic? :D
Plastic are cheap, easily replaceble i guess
Plastic is cheaper to replace than metal and lighter. Use your brain sometimes.
Himalayan has a lot better mileage, apparently. Worth mentioning.
I would believe this as singles do tend to sip fuel...
They lie about fuel consumption on 450MT, my screen shows 4.1L /100km , measured at the gas station, its about 4.7L. That is a lot. My average with about 80kmh speed on the road is about 4.3-4,4L/100km. More then tenere 700, and has about the same KG.
What a fail of a bike.
@@MindfulMotorcyclistna my NX500 gives similar mileage as this himalayan 450
Compare the prices first @@midhungopan9270
@@midhungopan9270 ooh sounds unreal. Heard that the NX gives about 25 kmpl in city. Himalayan gives 28 with similar riding style apparently
The CF450 is what Suzuki could do with their new V-Strom. Suzuki don't have anything between their 125 and 650 models. The Indians and Chinese are going to do very well in this bracket I think.
There is a 250 but it is road biased
Suzuki has made a good 250 vstrom, which is atvpar with 350 ccs. If they make one around 400-500cc, they will nail it. But I guess whatever suzuki makes, it will have a good price. So Suzuki will lose on price basis.
@@nannu3703 interestingly the V Strom 250 is a twin cylinder in most markets, while in India its a single cylinder. Power output is absolutely the same in both engines amazingly
@@varun1036 Different models, the twin was made 2017-20, round Headlamp 17 inch front wheel, the simgle was introduced 2023, stacked LED headlight, 19 inch front wheel
Agreed Simon 👍
This is a very detailed introduction. Thank you for your efforts. I personally like the 450MT very much. It has many small details that are better: inward-folding rearview mirrors; one-touch ABS; complete metal guard plate at the bottom of the engine; very nice exhaust sound; because it is a twin-cylinder, its engine vibration suppression is also very good. Very simple, capable, and tough appearance design. I like its TFT instrument UI design very much. The 450MT and 450SR/450NK/450CL-C use the same engine. There are at least 100,000 of this engine running in the world. I have not found any negative news. I think it has withstood the test of a certain mileage. I definitely choose the 450MT.
You are spot on. I have two RE, GT650 and Hunter350, like them both. Passed on the 452, too heavy for a single (15-20 kgs). Lacking all the adjustments and features of the MT450. New water cooled engine, this ride by wire throttle..........The looks of it are also all confused for me, tank, lights, the front fender. Got 1300 km on my MT450. I don't like the short gearing and the fueling off idle is shit. I installed 15t sprocket, waiting for a good clean tune. Rest is very good.
@@pawelwolski1316 I think CFMOTO will definitely push OTA system upgrades later to solve the throttle jerking problem when driving at low speeds. They often do this.
@@user-ez9rw5lm5wthey didn’t for the 800mt tho.
@@pawelwolski1316 how do you feel with 15t sprocket on 450MT?
@FabrizioSpinelli First it is not night and day difference. For any given speed, the rpm drops about 450 rpm (speedometer has "correct" indication as the signal must come from the wheel speed). This is a positive outcome and a must for my riding. Since the torque delivered to the rear wheel is bit less, the bike is not as "aggressive" in acceleration. My friend has 14t, so switching back and forth u can feel the difference. Again it's small but noticeable. If I was riding side roads, limiting speed to 100 kmh, or doing long distance dirt riding, I would keep the 14t. For everything else, the 15t is the way to go. CFMOTO messed up giving the MT450 such short taller gears, that's the real issue here.
Royal Enfield provides a centre stand as part of the bike. CFMoto make it available as an optional extra. Thumbs up to both brands for that, plus a good range of bolt on accessories.
Great point, I might have missed that in the overview. Thanks 😊
Very interesting comparison Sean, and as always, very well presented. CF Moto has come out of nowhere to be a serious contender in today's market.
Thank you Richard 😊 🙏
Himalayan is original. CF is copy of Tenere.
452 is an attractive motorcycle whereas the 450mt is a good looking modern adv , horses and courses
And double the price of Himalayan
And double the price of Himalayan
I like both, twin cylinder attracts, low speed chug attracts, have to have a test go!
What RE had with the previous iteration was an iconic design...whereas this one just looks like a lot of other ADVs...and CF Moto actually nailed the retro styling (throwback to the transalp from the late 80s!) So definitely the CF Moto winning this one for me!
A lot of 411 owners I've spoken to are not enamoured with the 452. Anecdotal evidence granted...
I think you confused the CFMoto with the RE
The RE was the retro, the cfmoto is the new one
@@hihellothere9569 Not in this iteration...the CFMoto definitely takes its cues from the 87 Honda Transalp :)
@@MindfulMotorcyclistsame. I’ve got a 411 and was planning on upgrading to the 452. But after seeing reviews, etc, definitely going for the 450 MT.
The himalayan costs starts in my country 5600$
The cf moto costs 7550$
What would you pick ?
Take both for a few test rides and buy the one that suits your mindset 😉
@@Ifkif cf moto does not have test ride haha
Not as expensive as indonesia, just launch himalayan few days ago price range 9320-10.000 usd, the cfmoto mt450 around 9845 usd 😅😅😅
@@Henry14sss 🫨🫨🫨
Always enjoy your balanced and measured reviews. well done. Thank you.
Thank you so much Richard. Very appreciated as always...
I really like these comparison videos you're making, great job of it too. Both have a a lot to offer, but if its my money...at the moment I would still go the Enfield route because I know where I am with them. But its getting a difficult choice. Thanks
Agreed ER, I can't ride the CF but just having them side by side is handy. I'd like to follow the owners of these bikes online and see if any problems crop up...
I have watched/read every review out there... This is going to be my first bike... What a difficult choice damn... Is it just me? This decision bothers me for 2 months now
Have you taken them for a ride? Iam 184 cm tall, What's your height? Is it possible to get a higher satle?
Good review, thankyou. I would go for the aesthetic of the RE. Good looking bike.
Thanks Rod 😊
What a lot of choice! They both look good, (CF moto is nicer in my opinion) but to my eye the CF is on the nail for quality, and it feels really nice to sit on. The Himy looks a little awkward with that elephant head fuel tank, but it looks better in the darker colour. I think if RE had had kept the new shape nearer to the old shape it would be a winner! But not this time RE.
Been looking for this comparison thanks 😊
Thanks Jon 😊
Himalayan is ride by wire , please read the spec before a review. 👍
I don't think he didn't read the specs before since he mentioned that the himalayan has riding modes. You surely can forgive a slip of the tongue 😁
@abdellahbensaid4372 he's obviously perfect and doesn't make any mistakes in life 😂
Yes I confirm I am very much human and guilty of making mistakes as much of the next man 🤣😃
@@MindfulMotorcyclist how dare you make a mistake 🤣
Thanks for the in depth honest review. I like both bikes but I’m leaning slightly towards the MT. Gonna test ride both next week in Australia.
Good luck with the test rides, if you do remember could you write back here which you prefer? 😀
7:35 on the seat hight of the RE isn't it adjustable under the seat by a bar system
Thank you Kevin. I think that's correct actually. Cheers, Sean
Ridden both and I can't see anywhere the RE is better. I found the RE very vibey and engine flat. Cf moto has tubeless tyres as standard too.
Great video buddy 👍...just for your information someone has stolen yr hair!!
😂😂. My hair is drawing more comments than the bikes 😂😂
The comparison that we are waiting for, well done
Thanks very much, appreciate the support 👍
No one ever mentions luggage ....wish they'd not put the exhausts so high like on the CF ! How many people cross rivers ? Really ? No point in losing half a case for the exhaust !
You're right - people do not realize that they carry bagage on adventure bikes.
I tried Himalayan over the weekend, and it was great. Just looks very old style
Both are great and a bargain.
RE just wins out over CF on looks and fact its a single.
Tough choice to be honest!
Great video ! but 100 mph is 160 km/h not 190. Love the MT looks.
He said over 100mph
I find it so hard to choose between them that I've decided I'll stick with my ZZR1400
Very Major difference is tubeless tyres.
I tried both and very much enjoyed the riding position of the CFMOTO against the RE where I felt perched on the seat. The exhaust tone on the CF was phenomenal 😮
That’s what I found - the cf felt made to measure for me as soon as I sat on it and supremely comfortable riding position, which for me now is the clincher.
Thanks for the feedback on the CF both, I'm not allowed to ride this particular 450 as its earmarked for customer 😀
Nice job buddy... love from India❤
Thanks a lot, really appreciated 👏
The cfmoto 450 looks like quite the little unicorn.
So we are told, let's see how it matures!
i love the design of the RE 450 simplicity at its best
Had anyone tried removing the tyres from The CF? those rim lips that the spokes sit into look awkward for getting a lever under, especially at the side of the road...
shouldn't be needed as often if they don't have tubes but airing the tyres down won't really be an option?!
Glad I don't have to make the choice between the two, they both look very good, the numbers are very similar, but probably the fact i'd find an Enfield dealer quicker, would swing my choice to the Himmy, plus the fact I tend to lean towards the classic names anyway.
PS. looks like you've bought yourself a new Lawn mower?
Lawnmower Steve hahaha 😆
A very reasonable account of both bikes and my own personal thoughts are that the Himalayan is likely better suited to green laning, with a dual sport style, whilst the 450MT is more adventure bike style for touring with some gnarly bits thrown in. Ultimately they will both do the same thing, which probably means that style is what will decide for the individual.
My inside leg is 29” and seat height is probably the main focus for me, at 61 I do not want to be going off road (only just starting to do this) on something too tall, which is why I never really took my Tiger rally pro off road. I would have taken my CRF250 rally off road but some low life nicked it.
So I purchased the Himalayan the day before the ABR festival and did my first bit of trail on the Bridgestone trail, where I also had my first OFF, so now has some battle scars, although I will add that I loved it and will be looking for places to gain experience off road.
I actually chatted with one of the designers at the show and made some design options to rectify the side stand issue, to which end he said that the stand issue was created due to the requirements in the American market, so perhaps they can create an alternative for the UK. Strangely the CRF250 was the opposite issue with the stand being so long it was nearly vertical and created issues of a possible topple if on a slope.
Anyway this is starting to look like a dissitation, so I will say buy which one you like the look of and I am sure you will not be disappointed.
PS my other bike is a speedmaster
Thanks for the comment and good luck with your new Himmy. P.s once off once the next time isn't nearly as bad, mind you it gives you a big shock!
Himalayan actually has the adjustable seat so you can adjust the seat according to your height
Same for the CF.
Endless comparisons, yet to choose for one self, then an aesthetic appeal to the person choosing.
One is not better as you said, and the sooner we realise it's not things or specs that bring contentment in being.
This man speaks the Truth...
What is a shame is that this 490 KTM platform has been scrapped. Imagine a Norden 501 on this. The looks, the features and I'm guessing it probably would have been amazing to ride.
big difference is the weight & how heavy they feel. For me the Himalayan feels very heavy.Himalayan is also taller-wider & longer than the 411 so it's almost become a middleweight segment bike instead of the lite middleweight bike. Air cleaner for hImalayan under the tank so you actually have to remove the tank to change the air cleaner. CF is under the seat towards the back of tank.I think Royal Enfield probably could have improved on what they had by installing a alloy swing arm & lighter tank. I think the 450 MT is a better all round bike but it depends on support from after market suppliers-depends on parts availability & depends when the bikes actually become available in the show room as well as reliability over time.
The 450 Himi feels alot heavier than the 411. The 450 is very top heavy indeed. I love the RE brand and I wanted to love the Himi 450 so much more but I just couldn't buy one because of that top heavy weight
@@pggp273 it probably doesn't help that it has a bigger fuel tank 17 litres. However the 411 was also fairly heavy at 200 kg wet. The new 450 is taller, longer & wider which wouldn't help.
Audi did not invent sequential turn signals. Ford offered them on the 1964 Thunderbird.
I'll go for a single piston. Easy to maintain.
How many owners will take either off road?
I have lots of unsurfaced roads were I live, but thankfully very little rain, so no mud. The Himalayan is a great road bike, and on the twisty mountain roads it handles and brakes well, belying the 21 inch front wheel.
The sidestand lean you get used to quickly, and no chance of it being blown over like my 411 was-twice.
Oddly the CFMoto does not appear to be available anywhere in Spain.
Thanks Jerzy, yes I think the side stand was designed with the 411 side stand in mind I believe. Perhaps they will bring out a revised in the middle version....
"How many owners will take either off road? " - I'm guessing, more than before.
Nada in US... you know we do ride motorcycles over here!
Other than Harleys some of us do!
I bought my RE to be ridden mostly on gravel and off road. New knobbly tyres before it was delivered. Its excellent on and off the tarmac.
CF Moto is certainly more modern and very Tenere like in looks.
They pretty much copied tenere 😅
Himalayan anyday ❤
Himalayan do have ride by wire here in INDIA
They do everywhere, he just made a mistake
RE Himalayan 450 have a center stand which is a big plus
I missed the cf moto specs not having one, This is a big point.
On CF moto central stand is optional.
By the way, on Himalayan you miss handguards, higher windshield, metal engine protection, etc... and most of all, Tubeless wheels are optional on RE...
@@FabrizioSpinelli I wonder how a chinese company will do on supplying parts when model is out of production ? How easy it is to service etc.
How can we argue with the price tags/specs of the cfmoto??? It's a good looking bike. Seems well built and with quality components. I believe it has alarm built in and a movement sensor also. Royal Enfield has history, capabilitiy and that vintage look but CFMOTO and other "chinese" manufacturers are steping up to the demand. I say chinese in spite all bikes are using chinese componentes and chinese built engines (a few at least). And we all now that japanese bikes these days aren't as reliable as they were 30 years ago. Mt450 are selling as hot bread over half world and the other half is begging for them to come. I have to be honest... i testdrived booth and mt450 surprised me for the positive. Wasn't expecting to be in love of road and in road. Have a fx650 honda and when i sat on her it just it me... What a crappy old bike i own!!! If they haven't told me it had chinese tyres i wouldn't believed. The 450 engine has proofs on the other models... so my question is... How long can i hold my HONDA?!?
Good comment, completely agree. Thanks for this. Cheers, Sean
The CF Moto also has a built in tracker. I have the 450NK and have placed a deposit on a 450MT, after gaving a good lookcat it at the ABR. God knows when i'll get it though. They are in heavy demand.
CF Moto also has 4 year warranty and 8 year breakdown recovery, as long as it's kept serviced at CF Moto dealer.
I will stick with my t7. Bought new £8349. Although i have just ridden a rented 450 himalayan up to 5800 metres (umling la in the himalayas) and the 450 was epic on sand, dirt, gravel, river crossings, tarmac and altitude.
I would, the T7 motor is bombproof one rider has already covered 200k miles on one.
I've tried both, I found the himalayan motor more fun(torque is available very soon), but sound very meeehh compare to the twin of the 450mt(very linear feeling at acceleration)
Thanks, nicely put 👍
Do buy a CF Moto and I wish you the best of luck finding spare parts and services.
So you obviously don't have any KTM dealer nearby? Too bad.
If you like the retro look, go for the Himalayan. But for everything else, the 450MT is levels ahaed
That's probably a fair assessment...
Except:
-Worse range and fuel consumption
-Adjustable suspension, but lower spec than the himi
-Bad fuelling at low speed and stalls easily
-handling feel is not as good as the himi through the twistys
It’s a great bike but to saw its levels ahead is a bit disingenuous I think.
I’ve spent 1hour on each test riding and still can’t decide which one I’d go for because they are both good 🙈
@@slakk5093 they're indeed good both... but we need to admit that RE is basing most of their marketing on "historical brand" :)
@@FabrizioSpinelli I don’t really get too much in to the marketing, more interested in how the bike is to ride
@@slakk5093Neither, get an old Himmy 411 , cheap as chips second hand now 😂
*Plough* 🎉
450MT looks so cool
Himalayan All day..🙏🫡❣️
Love retro, but i like 450mt.
Gosh that describes me too!!
Enfield engine is durable ❤❤।।। I have himalyan in india । It's very durable and affordable also।।।
Having now ridden both….I really wanted to like the Himi over the CF….but I just didn’t. The vibes on the Himi plus the top heavy weight, fit and finish, wind management plus tubed tires has put me off. Above all though the motor is just a peach on the MT….not just smooth but more tractable and alive….much more fun.
Where the Himi wins for me is ride quality out of the box (but fully adjustable on the MT but not had the opportunity to change), service intervals and dealer choice.
Ordered the MT.
Good comparison, glad you ordered the MT!
CF is twin and better for travel.
I've heard horror stories about after sales with the CFMoto range.
Himalayan has a lot of vibration, mt 450 is like butter smoooth! Also I could not feel the weight on the Mt 450 but found it a bit difficult to handle the hymalayan offroad!
I doubt we'll be getting the CF Moto 450 MT, it looks like they're pushing a bigger adventure bike, the Ibex 800 here in the US. The Himalayan 450 hasn't arrived yet, and I've heard nothing so far. We still have the Kawasaki Versys-X 300 as an ongoing model here. Very much in the same class as these. I've been looking into that one lately, and would probably gravitate towards that, even over the Enfield. The RE bikes always appeal to me, but I think my desire to try out other brands wins out when I stop and think about it.
Thanks Mark. I go back and forth on which brands to invest in... having been an RE owner and now the BSA. If the Kawasaki 300 was available here I would probably go for that bike...
Very good comparison, make sure you do a side by side ride then you get a chance.
Thanks for the comment 👍
Isn’t there a 805 seat for the Himalayan never seen one fitted I’m a shorter rider
himalayan also ride by wire
To me how a bike looks is so important and the CF looks like it's been beaten by an ugly stick. The RE is far more to my taste and is the one I'd buy. Did Suze attack you head with some scissors while you were asleep quite a different look you've got there.
Haha Ian, I had been trying to grow my hair but it was in the awkward phase so I just lost patience and cut it all off 😂😂
Yeah, I like looks of Himi more, but for me = Himi heart, CF head.
2 cracking bikes Sean. Like everything else, there be likes/dislikes on each. The CF really seem to be coming into the Limelight.
The black n Gold Himmy, looks fantastic, for sure.
Unfortunately not for me….only cause of my 27 inch, inside leggies.😢
Lovely back drop.😊
Hi Mark, hope youre well! There will be supporters and detractors on both sides, for me don't want such a big bike really. They are both full sized bikes if that makes sense.
Be interested to compare the vibration from both and which one would be more fatiguing on a longer trip?
Unfortunately I won't find out as there won't be a demo bike in my dealer until November! This bike was earmarked for a customer.
@@yahoodlums stock 411 seat pretty awfull to say the least but with a sheepskin and a cast iron butt 2hrs in the saddle no probs so I'd say the same for the 450 but def an interesting thing.
My other concern esp re the cf moto was exhaust and side panniers.
I tried them both, and the 450MT was so much better vibration wise. I couldn’t believe how good it is in that regard, no just compared to the RE, but other more expensive bikes like the Honda 500NX, too.
Vibration is less in 450mt but it is kinda wobbly after reaching 120kmph. Vibes in himalayan reduces after reaching 120kmph and is more stable.
@@ashhash8973 I didn’t find it wobbly at, tbh. Even when I topped it.
Sean, would you care to comment on Usernamekate's assertion that the BSA's exhaust sounds like "dirty, wet farts"? 🤣 Congratulations on this video, by the way, it seems to have gained some serious traction!
Hi Mark, haha I did see that. With my Hitchcocks exhaust I can say no but I will let the standard bike owners defend their own exhaust sounds 🤣. This video seem to have done alright actually, I'm pleased. I was lucky to have both bikes side by side even though I couldn't ride the CFmoto. Cheers, Sean
Great review I did look at both bikes yesterday and was taken a back how difficult the Royal Enfield was to move of the side stand on uneven ground this would be a deal breaker for me personally I know you could fix this but the cf moto just appeared more upmarket.i was comparing the cf moto to my Honda cb500x and it would appear a suitable replacement .back in 2020 I had to buy hand guards and power outlet which all come as standard on the cf moto but still don’t on the cb500x or the nx500. I also am considering going for a different bike looked the Royal Enfield shotgun but my wife commented on the 650 logo and the paint schemes are not as nice as the other Royal Enfield range, the shotgun could looked more retro I don’t mean like a classic 650 if they release it but more like a triumph bobber paint scheme.maybe more premium.
Hi Malcolm, thank you for this comment and apologies for the delayed reply. Perhaps wait for the Himalyan 650? No doubt they will have fixed the side stand issue on that bike and it will have the 47hp Twin that you like...
the 1960's mercury cougar [mustang ] had those indicators in the 60's
I have ridden and owned REs all my life and one consistent problem has been the reliability, specially with first few lots of a new model. I bought the 450MT over Himalayan just because it’s far superior for outdoors and the engine is much more refined. It’s been 3 weeks 😃and it doesn’t feel like it’s only 450.
I wouldn't have said I'd heard that REs were unreliable, but your experience is your own and would make me go CF too...
I really like the colour of the RE and those wheels and the CF is also very nice I think in the end I would probably plum for the CF as it is a twin as I have never really been into singles but both are very good bikes .👌👍
I would probably plum for the CF too, singles for character bikes, for touring and general purpose I'd have a twin... or four cylinder in my case 😀👍
@@MindfulMotorcyclist I've gone from my four to a twin now less weight and slightly lower it feels small but boy is it chuckable 😉👍
I would find it odd that the Himalayan is more road bias seeing as it's supposed to be a rugged off road/adv, whereas the MT looks more road bias and the front wheel looks too big in proportion. Just my opinion obviously. Loving the screen on the RE but am looking forward to what else they will churn out with that engine.
Perhaps channels such as yourself could put a call out to CFMoto owners of say 5 years to review and see what their longevity is, might put pay to the negative comments or not. I joined the ER6F/N Facebook group, kinda wished I hadn't, because you see posts about issues all the time, but no one ever brings them up in big brand reviews unless it's a recall and it's soon forgotten anyway.
Well I did 9k on my ER6F 2015 bike Lee and no issues... and weirdly mine was an ex rental bike. Not often that happens. So hopefully that comes as positive news. We tend to talk about this all the time, between the CZcamsrs at least the small channels. How objective are people really being with their brand reviews and particularly on launches. It's a big debate...
I’ve done 1,000 kilometres on my 450MT and love it. It’s miles ahead in quality over the Himalayan imo
Nice 👍, good to hear positive feedback
Audi didn't invent sequentially lighting turn signals.
My 1966 Mercury had them from the factory.
What about the price ? I believe There is a huge price difference
UK video buddy 😉
There was an interesting video taken at the ABR festival containing an interview with the RE guy who designed the nylon bash plate. 5AUkqo8Mwq0
I saw a presentation RE the switchgear but not the bashplate? Why plastic then?
@MindfulMotorcyclist Cost, weight and strength I think. I can't post a link but if you put 5AUkqo8Mwq0 into search the video comes up. The channel is Abhinav Bhatt.
Ride by wire? MT450? Pls read before doing reviews.
@3:23 why make a point of using your phone for a close up and then not show what you explained?
Who's to say, probably missed it in the edit, perhaps had other stuff going on. CZcamsrs are just like you. Normal folk who make mistakes 👍
Another excellent video
Very kind of you thanks 😊 🙏
The Himalayan is more beautiful bike and more different from the others. And you forgot to say the Himalayan has and side stand and main stand.this is why the extra weight.
By specs alone obviously MT is far better but I will never buy a Chinese automobile. Just my personal opinion.
Fair comment each to their own :) thanks.
Himalaya ❤
Do you think, like has been mentioned for Chinese cars, that there might be a government subsidy lowering the price as it seems to me you are getting more bike for your money with a CF? Can’t see, is there a rear hugger on the CF? Look forward to your next review👍
Could be protectionism going on by the CCP... I guess we will never know. I did read an article saying that anyone who is anyone in China business circles has friends in high places. The guy behind Alibaba for example...
@@MindfulMotorcyclistNothing to do with subsidies. We cannot comprehend the size of CF Motos enterprise and the numbers of bikes they produce for the Chinese and far east markets, that makes our manufacturers look like part time factories. The cost efficiency is an enormous advantage. They get cheaper raw materials and energy from Russia you know those gas pipelines America blew up that instantly sunk Europe's manufacturing base that was supposed to break Russias economy.
We cannot compete with the Chinese manufacturing powerhouse which is why America wants to go to war using Taiwan and Philippines against China just like they used Ukraine against Russia.
Practically every country supports its manufacturing base in some way. We don't sit on the board of CF so we don't know what support if any is given. That's the question. We are not disputing the other advantages China has...
i don't think you guys understand how China manufacturing works, their price back home is way way cheaper because there are many factories able to manufacture the same product. they typically give them orders by consignment. moreover cfmoto design many motorcycles these days as global models, not china only limited run. There is not even subsidies going on any more, that is why you see them going on a global scale. back in china motorcycles are even ban on certain types of cities. You won't be expecting to see this 450MT in Shanghai or Beijing. Motorcycle is viewed as a transport not a collector's item. they own it for couple of years and off they buy something else. For example Zontes 155G is only 4000 yuan second hand, literally under USD1000
Definitely RE for and peace in mind without a doubt , for two week smile moto
Fair comment
Not keen on either, although the RE is a single which is what I like in the sub-500cc category. It's a bit heavy, though. In summary: the RE for the dash; MT for the adjustable screen; RE for the headlight and high mudguard; MT for the cross spoke wheels; a tie for the profile. They're just different.
As I've said elsewhere, I want to see the Guerrilla, but I'll probably stick with the 390.
I have a Hima411, im looking for the 450, BUT, it should has been twin!!!!
It's a tie! 1.4billion people supporting each side
One side of 1.4 billion do not have access to CZcams
@@logicalindian_777 ur raait , the other side might even not know that thers a fans fued going on.😂
Good review very !
Thanks!
What is price difference between both of them
With the extras to make it like for like tubeless tyres etc it's about £400 more for Himmy