🔵THIS is the perfect time to use Oxalic Acid Vapor! Also - when NOT to use it OAV
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- Addressing the perfect time and the worst times to use Oxalic acid vapor!
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I really appreciate the time and effort you put in to make these videos. Keep up the good work. And also the person behind the camera 👍
Mikey General Spot on 👍😁
I had very healthy bees coming out of winter by doing OAV once a month through winter while they were broodless. I don't use it while they have brood. For a good spring treatment then mid summer, I do apivar. For the last treatment before closing for winter, MAQ or apivar depending on how old the queen is.
In still learning on oxcilic acid and I have had some hives re queen for some reason . But It does do its job
Thanks Kamon !
Thanks !!
Hi Kamon, I kept bees before varroa, now I have a few colonies because people in my life wanted to learn what I know about beekeeping, Turns out, since varroa, my knowledge is all but obsolete. I've tried formic, oa evap, oa extended release, and even thymol. In many cases I end up queenless. was fortunate to be at my daughter's house after I treated a nuke that originated as a two frame queen builder and became big enough to transfer to a 5 frame nuc, they were booming. As I left the garden I saw what looked like swarm activity. I went back two hours later and there was a swarm on the five frame nuc, I put out out a two frame queen manipulating nuc and they adopted it. Now was there really an extra queen for a swarm or was she absconding. I had given her three weeks to establish laying and I am frazzelled, because every time I treat a relatively new queen the colony goes queenless, in mid August. Here in Sacramento area there is no rain in summer months and no necter flow, I can feed these bees and maybee combine them before winter, but my question is how long does a queen have to bee established before the colony or the queen won't react adversely to oa vapor. because of high temps formic is a no go...lost a queen and therefore a hive at the end of september last year with formic. the new reality of beekeeping is within armslength of defeating. However, I am still breathing and I will give it my best until I'm called home because they make me happy, and they make me sad, and they make me think, and they make me research. I very much appreciate your time and effort in spreading your experience and knowledge. Thank you, tjtaft
Kamon, would you briefly give a summary of the effectiveness of Hop Guard and what if any experiences you have had using it.
Joe Carr TN Another source for info on Hopguard can be found at scientificbeekeeping.com . Randy Oliver is a biologist that has extensive studies on Varroa Management.
Hi Kamron. Does oxalis acid kill open eggs, larva? I bought 3 Nucs May 1st the queen is laying well, I understand the capped brood won’t get treated with Oxalic. I don’t want to wait until fall to treat hives. Thank you for your instruction videos
Best choice oxa vapor, oxa strips and towel method.
Thank You
I used apivar strips and I'm no ready to remove them and do another mite count. Is it true that I can only use Apivar once and need to use another mite control product for second application? I'm in Wisconsin I'll be doing another test in about 12 days
Question Kaymon, I have a hive that I treated with Apivar about 50 to 60 days ago. I removed the strips on August 9th. Ive had to reduce the hive from a 50% drawn honey super over the brood box down to a 5 frame nuc at the beginning of this month. About half of the larva goes bad in the cells. I added a frame of brood and they got a little better but still arent where they are raising all their brood. Been feeding them 1:1 all season. They did at one point in July have hundreds of SHB in there. I killed every single one and now they are completly SHB free. Should I try another apivar treatment? Doesnt look like EFB or AFB people on FB pages have told me. Any suggestions? Thanks for all your content! Ive watched dozens of hours of your videos.
Sounds like EFB or the viruses got high before the mites were reduced. If viruses take hold you can kill the mites and still have big symptoms. Especially if the queen was infected. Hard to say from my chair.
Do you run into any problems having your hives on the ground? I really enjoy your videos and have learned a lot. Thank you!
Kamon have you checked out the propane fired vaporizers on eBay and Amazon? The brand is Varamorus and they're $125 ish. What are your thoughts on a OA treatment rotation of 5-7 days as opposed to using the Apivar strips for colonies that have capped brood?
I haven't looked into those units but I may. My thoughts on oav treatment rotation is that I don't trust it on a heavy brooding colony. Even 5 rounds in 21 days has proven ineffective and laborious here.
I’m in the northeast it’s December 6 When and how often should I treat oxalic acid
Hi great video bought my self a vap to try but not shore wen best to use it or how much acid to use best wishes Paul
Kamon can you make a video on how you render wax? Seems pretty dangerous with how flammable it is
Thank you
I love your channel. Please keep posting 👏👏👏👍😁
please would you tell me if its ok to use this method while supers are on?
I've had good luck with Apivar in the past. This year after 45 day treatment with new strips at the recommended dose, I washed 3 to 7 mites in about 80% of my hives in 2 yards. I hope they found a mite bomb somewhere and are not building resistance to Apivar. Broke out the provap 110. Thymol is my next option.
Ha another great video,. Kamon when u use the strips for mite treatment do u leave them in there longer then the 56 days that they call for on the package. [Apivar strips] I used them for the first time this year because u and Bob Bonnie use them thanks and have a great day
Hi Frances,
I leave them in for the full 56 days and then remove. Apivar takes a while to kill everything when there is alot of brood in the colony. This is why (with any treatment) it is important to never let the mites build to crazy high levels before treating. I feel like many of the issues folks have with Apivar is using it too late and the virus and mite problems are already out of control
@@kamonreynolds Thanks for responding have a great weekend and keep the wonderful videos coming they are great
I just finished recommended round of Apivar. Very happy with results. Do you dose again late winter early spring with Apivar or just stick with OA that time of year?
Hey Burley. Typically hit them with 2 rounds of OAV in December for a winter beatdown. I am sure Apivar in late winter early spring would also work.
Kamon, do you ever use Apivar and Oxalic at the same time?
Kamon. Just curious what type of veil are you rocking in this video and where can o get one. Mahalo in advance. Aloha and thanks for all the videos.
What is the min temperature you can use oxalic Acid at?
I admire, envy and laugh at beekeepers who don’t use a bee sting exclusion suit. I’m EXTREMELY ALLERGIC to wasp sting and very allergic to bee sting so the decision was made for me by my doctor. THANK YOU for covering this subject! The proper application of Oxalic Acid is a ‘delicate’ subject around where I live at the best of times. Those that claim they keep ‘Organic Bees’ and produce ‘Organic Honey’ swear that they NEVER use any product….I have my suspicions as I have seen their trash pile…..I’ll not say more. (Besides that, how do they know that their bees NEVER extract pollen or nectar from a flower on property where pesticides are used? …Hmmmmm)
Excuse me sir, may i ask how to use use the oxalic acid cause here in the philippines we did not yet know how to apply it?
Have you seen the Gas-Vap? Same concept as the PRO VAP just uses a torch for the heat...
I have. The provap was too slow in my opinion the gas vap i am sure is slower
Now im going to watch the video
can you use the strips and oa at the same time
Well if I was the owner of that Pro-Vap company, I would have had a replacement setup out to Kamon yesterday or the day before. Him just having that tone at the beginning of the video will cost that company more in sales than they would have lost in the cost of that new unit. One thing we know about Kamon, he is honest and he is level headed. For Kamon to take this position means he has had to deal with enough BS. I've heard rumors of this from many before and suspect that Jason Christman also built his own for much the same reason. Me, well I bought the Gas-Vap and haven't looked back.
Hey Kamon. How long after an OAV treatment does it remain effective in the hive?
I was talking to a researcher and he says vapor OA starts breaking down within about 15 minutes not long. Flash treatment. The pro long drop of mites likely comes from some of the mites not getting hit as hard and taking a couple days to die
@@kamonreynolds thank you.
Hi Kamon, I thought you also had one of beesource forum’s johno’s easy vap machines? What happened with that one?
no i don't but I may be getting one soon. I have several friends who have one and like it. I have recommended them due to the general satisfaction I have seen with beekeepers I know and the great price but have yet to use one myself.
@@kamonreynolds Ah, I probably got you confused with one of those other youtube beeks.
Hello from Connecticut! Its my second year beekeeping and I still have not come across a firm answer regarding the necessity of mite treatment in first year hives. Some people disregard it but others take it seriously, Id assume location plays a big role as well but wanted to ask a real pro.
go after them, don't give them a toe hold.. first yr hives I used the mite away quick strips, just one as the hive wasn't built up yet.
@@olddave4833 Thanks, will try strips for this season and then gear up with the OAV machine next year.
I believe in crushing those mites souls every year. They greatly impact overwintering and inhibit rapid spring growth. I always treat first year colonies myself and I find my bees love overwintering without predatory mites eating their guts out.
@@kamonreynolds That's quite the perspective, the overwintering of bees is an area I still have lots of room to learn about. Will be following this channel religiously haha.
Good luck if you don't.
Kamon, when it comes to buying OA, is Api Bioxal better than Florida Laboratories? I want to buy it for the Dribble
It is not any better but it costs more
Kamon, I have been looking at a Pro Vap that uses 110v. I currently have a wand and would like to step up to something faster. Let me know what you think. I have heard of a couple of other brands but don’t know anyone that has one. Thanks.
John oliver easy vap is likely the way to go. Fraction of the cost.
Kamon Reynolds - Tennessee's Bees Thanks, I will check it out.
Johno pro vap great way to go
@@natserog I have one and love it. Zero problems.
Do some research on the Gas-Vap
I need some help I have a hive that will not except a queen they have killed the last two queens I’ve put in it. what can I do with the hive?
You sure you don't have a laying worker bee. If you do simulate a swarm. Where you shake all the frames out a short distance away from original hive placement. All the worker bees will know their way back. A laying worker bee will not. Now introduced a new queen.
3rd lol good looking nuc!
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weird. this is why I hate technology but it is here to stay!
Hey Kamon, I still love your videos and I am looking forward to seeing you in a T-Shirt in December while we are under a foot of snow here in Canada. I was wondering if you ever thought of putting genetics from your best hives in an out yard where you don't treat and just keep eliminating bees that show any signs of weakness?
Hey Peter I hope to one day in the not to distant future be able to attempt that and other things. I have tried similiar things in the past but not the extent I would like to. I still don't believe in a immune bee to varroa even being possible BUT I would love to be proven wrong.
@@kamonreynolds I have been watching Michael Bush videos and he claims they should evolve in 2 years. The problem is bee drift. Forrager bees move from hive to hive spreading diseases. I think if it is possible to make a varroa resistant bee, setting up an out colony might speed that up. There should be a way to do it if it is possible. Keep up the great work. You and Laurel make awesome videos and are an inspiration.
Peter Lue Watch Beeweaver’s videos. They did that, and they found that about 0.5 percent of their test hives survived without chemical treatment, but that’s what they use for breeding stock today.
@@alphaxanon their queens haven't worked or been varroa free for me or my friends. They however are producing some of the meanest bees I have been around. Beeweavers charges a premium for their bees but wether they work or not is still a matter of opinion. Perhaps I will try them in a test yard in the future but likely they will collapse like they did last time.
Kamon Reynolds - Tennessee's Bees I was trying to answer Peter’s question by illustrating how impractical a chemical free varroa resistance breeding program would be for an operation your size.
Kamon, Kamon do you really want to play with a vapor? You have to use this so many times with brood. Just set up oxalic acid strips (oxalic acid + gliceryne) Greetings from Poland.
Hey Cloudbuster hope your polish bees are doing well. There is no capped brood in this hive which is the reason for the video. Unfortunately, I legally I cannot use or promote those OA strip products in the USA
@@kamonreynolds ohh didn't knew that (To be honest I forgot about this - Randy O. is doing smth to legalize this in USA). It is legal here in Poland/EU. You can buy them without prescription in many bee shops, but I use my own DIY strips :) Keep up the good work.
@@ThEcLoUdBuStEr I hope we will be able to do the same soon!
Can aprivar strips work just laying it on the top bars
No - they have to go down between the frames so that the bees walk on them and brush past them as much as possible. It's really important with these treatments to do just as the instructions say, or you will end up with a partly effective treatment, and some varroa which are now resistant to Apivar
Do you uses the oxalic acid with honey on the super ?
I don't. I plan my treatments around my spring flow.
I don't blame you for being upset about your provap dying on you. Those things aren't cheap and for the money you have to pay for them you should get many seasons of use out of one.
My granddaughter watching this vid oh hes going to get stung lol .. So if your your ears are ringing just my grand babys waiting to see you get stung
Haha man! She is going to jinx me.
I’d love to be treating right now. Fortunately my colonies are mite free right now, because my treatment is still on backorder. I won’t mention any names but it rhymes with pan steak. UGH! So frustrating. I hear the cheapo vaporizer at the box store works pretty good. Thanks for the video. I have some late season queens about ready to pop out. Hopefully they make it back from mating.
Kamen I'm a professional beekeeper in Princeton Missouri and i have been using the supper Dfm probiotics and i never us oxcilc acid anymore and i have been using the supper Dfm probiotics for honeybee's about a year now and i don't plan on not using it anytime soon
ok. Perhaps you are right but just like most beekeeping supplements there is very little proof that any of it works and for every good thing you hear there is someone saying the product is useless or just not worth the money. The guys I personally know don't use it and don't seems to need it. I will sit back and keep watching. I do believe we need more supplements that benefit the bees but most out there are a gimmick and I won't play that game or use anything until I 100% know it works. (unless I get for free) lol
@@kamonreynolds Yes Kamen i believe u when you hear or think that but this Dfm probiotics is the real McCoy
Do y’all take call
Kamon-does OAV kill open brood?
Not in low legal doses
I need a nuc. My beehives have been empty for 4 years and I can't stand it any longer. When do you start selling them?
January we start taking orders
@@kamonreynolds Cool. Thanks.
Have you heard of the Australian Flow hives and what do you think about them?
What do you think about the effectiveness of Oxalic Acid in a fogger?
Hey Yvonna. I am very sceptical to be honest. Oxalic acid degrades at high temperatures and I would be concerned that the fogger would be too hot. This could render all or some of the OA ineffective in mite control. Honestly ALOT more testing needs done on Oxalic acid vapor. What has been recent been done by scientist and beekeepers is showing that it is limited and weak. It does work but it has to be used during crucial period of broodlessness or near broodlessness. The performance of colonies with low mites and those will high loads are extreme and many who don't know what to look for often realize to late that their bees are in trouble. Sorry I don't have a better answer.
I have 100-150 colonies and treat each at least 5 times per year. This is my third season with the provap and it broke the weld at the handle. I called the owner and was basically told to pound sand!!!! Not worth the $500. If I had to do it again I’d buy the one that guy sells online for 150
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