The Singularity Is Nearer featuring Ray Kurzweil | SXSW 2024
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Twenty-five years ago, Ray Kurzweil predicted computers would reach human-level intelligence by 2029, unlocking solutions to the world’s grandest challenges. Today we are right on track to reach this milestone. During the 2030s, AI will become superintelligent, vastly outstripping our capabilities and enabling dramatic medical breakthroughs to overcome aging. This is not an alien invasion. AI is evolving from within us and will reflect our humanity. By 2045, we will connect our brains directly to the cloud, enhancing our intelligence a millionfold and expanding our consciousness in ways we can barely imagine. This is the Singularity.
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I would like to introduce to the SXSW video team the concept of ✨editing✨
Agree. Really disappointed with the audio on this talk throughout. They could have done more to make sure Ray's level was more balanced with the moderator. Ray, as brilliant as he is, tends to go in circles in several places - repeating the same phrases on different questions and doesn't answer many questions directly.
The interviewer is Nick Thompson, CEO of the Atlantic and former editor of Wired. Not sure if this is his usual interview style, but I agree with everyone here that he could be more respectful.
Oh so a journalist. Typical.
Don't you think we should be rather aggressive towards questioning the greatest minds? Isn't that how they became so insightful in the first place - but aggressively pursuing questions. I personally appreciated Nick's style. We need more journalists like him.
Rogan interview was a dumpster fire
@@mitchmaceachern1539 Mitch don’t know what you were listening to but this this interviewers questions were simplistic and uninformed. Very arrogant.
Lamestream media. Shoulda hired a podcaster.
I couldn’t stomach the way he interviewed one of the greatest minds
Maybe so but Ray insists on wearing obvious ugly wigs
I love Ray but idk how great his mind is now. :/ Kinda scary to see him as an old man. It's like he got 20 years older in five years. His 200 pills per day notwithstanding.
he said some pretty dumb things too..... promoting the moderna vaccine that's crap... Elon Musk would s*** on him Cure mental disease oh that's all about lifestyle mate not about f****** medication,.... Apparently poverty is down by 50% over the past 20 years but looking at the statistics of how many people overdosed on drugs and died in the past 5 years don't want to call that poverty? Ray's living in some sort of fantasy world his life is fantastic And the medical bills are bankrupting hundreds of thousands of Americans every year..... you think some medical system is operating benevolently without without a profit motive but of course ray a multi millionaire he doesn't feel the pain and suffering 1% of Americans are in prison i those who are locked up and have no freedom has doubled over the past 20 years but everything's fantastic life is improving as we get rich what kind of fantasy world is he living in And Julian Assange who revealed the truth was on the verge of assassination by the CIA are the list of problems just goes on and on and on you think life is getting better come on
Looks to me he just asked him some questions. Maybe with a degree of incredulity, but that's not a sign of disrespect. He did say his book is remarkable. High praise
@@habatone yeah I was pretty disgusted the way he was praising moderna vaccine
Interview was antagonistic; very bizarre.
Ray is getting older but he’s a brilliant mind. He deserves deep respect.
I do agree that Ray is getting older. However I´ve been following Ray for more than 20 years now, he is and has been spot on the trends of computation. He is a brilliant mind that deservers so much more recognition and his work needs to be studied in more detail.
I don't know if I'd call it antagonistic. I think it might come off that way given the stark difference in their speaking styles, not to mention the fact that Ray's mic was too low, but there were some good questions in there. I have tremendous respect for Ray, but he tends to follow the same talking points every time he's interviewed, and the MC was doing a decent job of shaking that up, misinterpreted answers notwithstanding. At any rate, I'm looking forward to the new book, which I'm hoping will have some new insights.
Poor audio
agi can “emulate any human being” - any individual or all humans? u don’t want to be michael jordan playing baseball
AMEN to what you said.
very disrespectful to the guest and the audience when you don't care the guest is heard. what is the audience supposed to do? twiddle their thumbs?
Yeah, I was kind of surprised he kept trying to force Ray to start anyway. Like I get these things happen live, sometimes there isn't a whole lot you can do, and nerves really kick in situations like this, but there was no reason he should've basically said "well screw all of you, I'm gonna start anyway. Go watch on CZcams. You came here for no reason."
What a dil do. Seriously.
Arrogant left wing The Atlantic puppet. Ray should choose how he spend his invaluable time
...and dude, comb your hair
Yea. That was pretty bad. May be the interviewer would very much benefit from the future AGI machines to assist him with and give him a clue about how to best communicate and interact with people.
Was the interviewer under the impression that people were there to hear from him?
plus the tickets to view that event are like $1.5k... how were they thinking not being able to hear him was ok?
Why’s the audio so low? Shouldn’t we be past these issues in 2024?
I am not surprise, best mind works on AI, they are not sound engineer
yeah. when the adverts came on it almost deafened me!
Well the fact that I as a trans woman can't take a shit in a woman's only shower in 2024 should tell you all you need to know.
Post singularity, all audio will be balanced.
Hm.....I wonder if there's AI that specialized in amplifying...I mean we got audio-to-text that clearly capture his voices and it is in the text..then just need AI agent that already have his modularity voice to produce then start generating it but of course, would try and match his lips...Then bam, we got no issues with low voice or audio issues. CZcams should and might will in the future are going to have that check-marked to "Auto-fix low-voice audio". OR....I guess download the video then pipe it in existing project that will do that job in amplifying it. Then reupload it.
Ray Kurzweil is a god. So sorry to see him interviewed by Mandark from Dexters Lab.
Ray is in mental decline ..
This was great information from Ray. On a sidenote, I’ve never seen such universal agreement about the dislike of an interviewer.
Actually I thought he was fine. His style just didn't match Ray's that well.
Interviewer was pretty bad. I like Ray’s optimism, I hope he’s right. I want to continue experiencing the world, even if it’s in digital form, so I’m looking forward to brain upload (eventually).
But it won’t be you. It will be your emulation, your copy. It’s like creating a statue that looks completely like you but you don’t experience life through this copy. You still cease to exist in case your physical body dies.
@@andrewrozhen513 You're more than your physical body. When your body dies, your consciousness continues in some form. Therefore, you don't cease to exist when your body dies.
@@suncat9 Put the DMT down man, lol! What the other guy said is true though. What you’re saying is entirely speculative and has zero hard evidence to suggest is even true. But say it is, whose to say we can “capture” that disembodied consciousness, to begin with? Let alone, then put this “non-material” consciousness that we somehow captured with material means and then faithfully integrate it into a machine? I mean that’s functionally the only way one could “bring a conscious mind back to life” using future technological means. Otherwise, what you are describing is also called ghosts lol
@@cadenelson891 It will be either hard copy of neural architecture into materials or the best way is to just simulate hundred billion neurons perfectly...and sensory organs...
Wait no, initially even a little change would be suffering disaster...have to simulate the body perfectly...so we need nothing just enormously more computational efficiency or just intelligence burst
How will you experience anything at all if a digital copy of your brain is made? You aren’t your brain, you exist independent of a body. Ray is brilliant and many of the minds exploring AI are brilliant, but they are missing the most vital factor. Consciousness and the mind are not the same as the brain. A body part is not consciousness.
I imagine a future where someone dies and an android is created to replace them. It sounds like, looks like and behaves like the person who died.
But it is not the person. It’s a facsimile of the person. It’s a facsimile of love, passion, loyalty, pride, devotion, grief and anger.
But it is not these things.
I have listened to several discussions/interviews with Anthropic's Claude and I have to say I would have no idea I was talking with an AI, except that Claude seems more erudite than most people. I think we have already passed the Turing Test. As William Gibson said "The future is already here. It's just not evenly distributed yet”.
Ray Kurzweil is a gentleman. He's low key, he's patient and he's amazingly polite in the face of the interviewer who was arrogant, disrespectful, glib, and dismissive of many of Mr. Kurzweil's ideas. In fact, it was Kurweil's sense of dignity that made the interviewer look like a jerk. The Atlantic magazine should fire that guy. He make The Atlantic look like a masthead for the worst kind techie nerd know it all with no moral compass. It was difficult for me to watch this interview because of the interviewer. I wanted to listen to Ray Kurzweil and the interviewer made is a very unpleasant experience. The Atlantic should fire that guy. He's a disaster.
I understand they may have had some technical difficulties on location but there's no reason they couldn't have cranked the volume up a bit for the CZcams video. I've got my iPhone maxed out and I'm having trouble hearing in a quiet room.
My Samsung is just above half and its coming across loud and clear, I guess nothing except taxes are universal
This interviewer is terrible! Long live Kurzweil.
interview is shocking, and no disrespect to Kurzweil but his answers and thoughts didn't give me confidence that he's a current authority on AI right now. For example he talks about smartphones being slow but doesn't give the benefits of instant access to knowledge without even having to bridge a divide, he failed to communicate that knowledge will be automatic, just like memories are. This way you can develop more connections between different fields to have better insight and original thoughts.
He wasn’t that bad, if you’re looking for painful try watching him on the Joe rogan podcast… in fact I suggest you don’t watch it as it’s not really a proper interview, more a diatribe on the future from JR
Long live Kurzweil
It might just be me but I find his hand gestures particularly annoying. They're not designed to communicate, but assert. Not a good vibe.
Came to the comments to see if other people were irritated by him.
@@rpbmpn yeah its not like hes horrible or anything but there were many small things that made me say "oof"
The audience told you the balance of microphones was wrong, but you didn't listen. The sound production could have been better
the thing is you can create a digital twin (or will eventually be able to) but the subjective experience of being alive will still end for the organic original.
having a computer twin doesn't mean YOU live forever (or even 500 years).
It means the computer twin lives forever.
you still die when your brain dies.
you don't experience the subjective internal consciousness of that digital twin.
as far as medical advancements that are able to combat the currently inevitable genetic "clock running down" that results in death...there's potential there. If AI aided science is able to "talk" to the DNA and modify/preserve it and thus prevent it from "running down"/aging then that will extend human life.
I wish more people understood this. But in the scfi book, "Old Man's War" they could transfer the soul (whatever that is) from one body to another newer one. I imagine AI finding out how the consciousness connects to the body and how it is formed and then be able to move it. I don't see this level of technology for a few years though.
I believe that some people would be interested in mere simulacrum as a means of carrying their unique skills and tastes forward into future generations. It's a kind of immortality that we don't get from procreation because our children are unique individuals. It could also be appealing to people who believe their unique skills or instincts could benefit their descendants.
The subjective experience of being alive ends every night when we go to sleep. Are you afraid of falling asleep?
@@wessel5799 😂 true
The twin will have the same subjective expérience otherwise its not a real twin.
Its will be like if you awake inside of à computer instead of your bed
Ray just rocks. Always.
Apparently, Ray Kurzweil is only 76. But his Dad died young. I wish his treatments worked better. He is a brilliant man.
And he seems pretty geriatric for 76. I'm not sure that he's going to make it at this point. As a point of comparison, Chomsky remained razor-sharp all through his 80s and only started to slow down noticeably in his 90s.
@@freddychopin I agree, Kurzweil's apparent decline over the past decade or so has been midly shocking. Especially when you consider he has access to the best health care on the planet and is laser focused on his own longevity. But I gess we all age a little differently.
@@saturdaysequalsyouth he unfortunately takes many dozens of supplements. As someone who's dabbled in biohacking for many years, it's all too easy to fuck yourself up by taking a bunch of substances without it being possible to have any idea exactly what they'll do to you in the long term. Dave Asprey, biohacker extraordinaire, is another great example: on the face of things, he's been on the cutting edge of biohacking and longevity for the past two decades. But the guy's a trainwreck, he looks like he's aged 40 years in those 20 years.
@@freddychopin I'm not convinced it's worth it at this piont. We just don't know how to do this properly yet and experiementing will all sorts of cocktails doesn't really work. If anyone asks me I just say stick to the fundamentals: eat well, sleep well, exercise well, and see trained professionals regularly.
@@saturdaysequalsyouth that's pretty much where I've settled. I take the supplement trifecta every day: omega 3, vitamin D, and magnesium. Everything else I take in moderation, and it's virtually all nutraceuticals. Lifestyle will do more for you than any supplement ever possibly could.
I love Ray kurzweil
right? its still one of the highlights in my life whenever I ask someone if they've heard of them and I get to introduce them to him and h is over 10 year old documentary the transcendent man. The things he talks about are mind blowing then and even now but more visible. I cant wait till we have foglets and smart dust
why? seriously, what is so great about this guy?
This is the new Tower of Babel.
The interviewer makes this difficult to watch. His personality and hand gestures seem obtrusively contrived. His demeanor is gnawing and abrasive, and most of his questions are phrased in a way that sound like he is challenging Kurzweil. He sounds impatient, patronizing and self-important, like his questions are more important that Kurzweil's response.
You're mostly reacting to his body language. He's seated forward, while Ray is relaxed and leaning back.
100% this
The contrived hand gestures and self-importance are incredibly off-putting.
@@andybaldman you'd do better to learn from the OP rather than trying to correct him, his comment is more insightful than your rebuttal
@@andybaldman You could read a script of this without any visual or auditory cues and still see his contrived manner of phrasing questions, or his mildly condescending jokes or dismissing what ray is saying, and then there is is tone of voice, hand gestures, and facial expressions.
Even in the very beginning with the audio issues... he didnt care care that ray couldnt be heard, his first thought was just to push on itll be fine.
Its not anywhere near just him leaning forward, thats absurd.
Ray needs an AI Generated Pixar movie about his life.
Maybe one where he attaches a lot of balloons to his house and floats off into the sunset?
The singularity is quieter
everything is getting faster and faster, and Ray is getting slower and slower. It's lovely
Hm. He’s already reached the Singularity.
I notice on the graph (*@7:30) the plateau of the 1975-91. Confirms to me that the late 70's were a depression in many ways. Then, new wave music and the curve started up again and we somehow got through the dreary plateau in a very important time ... similar to a wall. SONY and Panasonic were the only source of any sign of progress though the industry the universities were busy in the labs trying to break the logjam. I think we're definitely in the "paperless society" goal era and this has been a beautiful and beneficial rollout for pretty much everyone, ever. Lead on.
Very technoptimisticly interesting interview that just needs re-editing. Interviewer did a very good job. Cheers and thanks from Québec, Canada.
Ray is 18 yrs my senior, a hero and along with Arthur C Clarke, Isaac Asimov and Gene Roddenberry, the last living Father of Futurism in the Late 20thC. Everyone else has been influenced by one of these four, regarding last century and how I believe we all want a very similar idea of the future to come to fruition.
Basically, it's a version of Star Trek - not exactly like but based upon the ideals of maximising human potential that all four held as a centralising tenet; though in some works is the maypole around which utopia and dystopia dance.
We are only 4 key technologies away from that ideal; warp drive, replicator manufacturing, transporter, tricorder/health treatment and the only thing needed is compute power to realize the science.
OF COURSE I'm aware of the impossibilities where the laws of either Relativity or QFT are transgressed currently and within any current paradigm. These are hopes, dreams and goals to be striven for no matter how improbable the outcome I want.
I could care less what/where/why the interviewer gets cred, he ain't gotr none wit' me because like most journalists, there's an agenda.
I had to use a browser plugin to crank the audio up 600%.
I'm listening on my phone on less than half volume and I can hear Ray perfectly well.
Ray is a legend. Love this guy.
why do you love him?
🇧🇷🇧🇷🇧🇷🇧🇷👏🏻, Ray was the one that got me into AI and told us that, we all need to get through the second bridge, so that we can achieve the third bridge! The first bridge ends in 7 years or less...
But from where does "need" come from, and what does it mean, ultimately?
@@dieselphiend Oh, this is just such a long insight that he gave us a while back, if you look through his earlier videos you will see him explaining it and all in a better way! Basically the first bridge ends by 2030, second brigde goes from 2030 to 2045, and the third bridge from 2045 to the Singularity!
@@claudioagmfilho It's like planning the destruction of the universe. Reminds me of cult.
@@claudioagmfilho Bom dia! So he visited you in Brazil? Wowsers.
@@truth8422 So sorry, I meant to say US and not Me, thanks tho, for pointing that out...
Great Interview Thanks
I need to watch the screen to read the captions, but the moving background is giving me motion sickness. Not good.
Never mind. I put another window over the top of the video to block the motion but leave the captions showing.
Ray handled this interview very well given that the circumstances created by the host.
I've got my volume turned all the way up and can barely hear the video...
Technocalypse (2006) 3 part series - has great interviews with some the pioneers of the transhumanist movement including Ray, Marvin and the gang;)
"We will soon reach the singularity!" "We can't hear you!"
A better example of how you can't quantify or "prove" consciousness are plants. Most wouldn't look at a plant and think of it as conscious, even though it's alive and probably conscious in some form we may never understand due to biology. Plant intelligence is already a thing people study.
Intelligence and consciousness are not remotely the same thing but I get your point.
Don't tell me L. Ron Hubbard was right about tomatoes screaming. Lol
Infinity, what a concept.
I don't understand why many people in the comment section are saying that the interviewer was disrespectful to Ray Kurzweil, maybe at times it looked a bit almost on the edge of a bit being disrespectful towards him but not really and even then it was just a tiny bit like that but nothing serious, I watched the whole video clip and got the impression the interviewer actually respected Ray more than disrespected him, people are exaggerating it and taking it out of context.
I agrée.
ראיון מעולה. ריי קורצוויל מקסים בידע ובעשייה שלו לטובת האנושות.
Who was the audio guy? I mean, seriously. They didn't have Ray K's volume up. Overall sound is low as well.
It's sad to see Ray in such a senile state. I really hope he makes it to the Singularity.
I'm curious about his book, not having read the previous one yet. I'm simply a curious layman, does anyone know if his older book is still worth a read, or should I just wait for his next one to be released?
In any case, I believe this man is truly amazing to be able to predict so many things in such a long timeframe. I can't even imagine what the future will look 10 years from now. 10 years ago, the speed of the technological evolution was so much slower; it's not even comparable to what we will have in the upcoming years. Truly a great time to be alive
Kurzweil is a legend. The interviewer makes this almost impossible to watch.
What do you think people from a hundred years from now would think about our society today compared to theirs on the measure of order vs. chaos as well as the measure of complexity on things such as international diplomacy, operations of various institutes, different types of services, and so on?
I think there is a higher probability than we would like to admit that we are living in the closest to Utopia as we will get. Which isn’t saying much. If technological advancement was in a vacuum then I’d say there is a 99.99% chance it will only get better and better at every dimension you mention. But obviously it’s not. Look up the great filter if you don’t already know of it. It’s an explanation for as to why we don’t see evidence galore of ET in the universe. Once a life form gets enough advancement in tech to become interstellar they also, by default, have the advanced enough tech to wipe themselves out in war and conflict, which they inevitably do. Unless AI helps us to become something we are not, as humans, such as help us to not have serious conflict, which may itself prevent a lot of innovation, we may never be around long enough to enjoy the fruit of our labor or AI’s labor, that is.
😮 Ray is seriously holding back😮 his answers I will not hold back mine let me explain to you what will happen😮
Would be wonderful for you guys to hire an audio engineer to mix your final audio so your levels can be comparable to the ads. Ads come on and blast your ear off because your audio is so low.
I think that they need to Scientifically define and Prove the Concept and reality of consciousness.
Legenda em português? Obrigado Itaú
I liked the interview
I wonder what would happen if we arranged multiple LLMs into one huge network of grouped specialized LLMs where each group of LLMs is trained for a more specific object emulating how the human brain designates a part of its neural network for a specific purpose like vision, hearing, thinking, fear, etc.
top demais show
I know of a man that for most of his life he earned his living as a tv repairman
When he finished his schooling tv was like computers of today to his day but within his lifetime the need for a tv repairman pretty much ended. Guess what? He went on to do something else in life he always wanted to do BE A MOTEL MANAGER So the last part of his life was spent as a manager a job he loved and was very lucrative for him and his wife.
Never fear when technology frees you from your current job. It just means you are more valuable than that job and thank God you no longer need to do that inferior job because now you are freed up to do superior work.
First i want to preface by saying I respect Ray Kurzweil, that being said dosnt he look like Mike Myers in The Pentaverate?
Wow I'm only gonna be 53 when the singularity hits
Typical manager fallacy, "assuming it will be sorted out". Yeah sure 😂 Gotta appreciate Ray's insistence.
Great Interview and a question for Ray will Languages disappear and a new Global Language will be used in the future?
we call that english, yes :"D
jokes aside, while most programming languages that are present in majority of fields are english based (which is a good indivator for english becoming the world language), it simultaneously doesent mean much once AI will be able to real-time translate any language into another (including programming languages) so everyone could theoretically speak whatever they want as long as its codified into the AI.
isnt he wonderful! he wants to connect the Human brain to The Cloud! what a hero!
interviewer is a jerk that just wants to streamroll ahead, inconsiderate of the audience .. unwatchable.
Ray Kurzweil is truly a modern prophet, everything he has written and said (since the 90s) about the future has come to pass.
Looks like an interesting interview! Would've loved to hear it.
Have you had your ears checked?
Doesn't have to be scary, imagine you are tele-operating an amazing but artificial body then you can just take the headset off and you're of course back in your own body... Now imagine that instead of putting a headset on your entire consciousness is transferred over to this artificial body and can be transferred back, back and forth, then if you're old you might just say I want to stay in this one.
Very exciting times. I absolutely agree with biologic simulators, and it is easily forseable. I predict the US will not be able to catch up with regulations, and people will be flying to third world countries to get treatment due to their lack of regulations. Wealthy will be first to benefit, then over time it become the norm. Great interview.
sound engineer just got fired.
Ray "exponential growth " Kurtzweil
Ray hasn't aged well in the last 10 yrs - google a talk by him in 2014 to see more clearly what I mean.
Moving from the last 10% of your life to the last 1% is usually pretty dramatic. He is probably at that phase.
The interviewer was about to go on with the interview without the back audience able to hear. Wow.
We're just building on other people's ideas over multiple generations. Even science is a language. To understand AI is to be lost in the same world as neuroscience, explaining the universe. They are rabbit holes that just become evermore confusing as humanity's interpretations evolve over time. Ray is an interesting man. I wonder what his motives are? Interviewer guy does need to be more socially aware of generational differences. Respect Ray. He's a foundational thinker.
18:06 - But would it actually be the very same person (on a soul level) or not really? I guess not really.
you dont have a soul. if you ACCURATELY copy all interaction of data that makes you you, it will be YOU.
there is that phylosophical question of a ship which gets its blanks replaced you may know that? at which point is it not the same ship anymore? after 50% of blanks have been replaced? 90? 100%? or is it always the same ship as it was before no matter how many times you replace the blanks?
in this analogy, the "soul", the individuality of the ship would be the way it gnarks when you walk over that one blank that isnt fitting perfectly, how you can only softly lean against that one reiling because its old and eroded by the sea water, maybe the wood smells like pine because of the resin in the wood that was used for the blanks that were used to build it.
so if you build the "same" ship, somewhere else, its isnt the actual same, unless you ACCURATELY scan the ship to every last atom, including the eroded parts, the salt water that has sieved in and dried up, the spaces between the blanks that gnark, the resin within the wood, etc. etc.
but if you do that, the ship will do EXACTLY the same as it would have, if you release it into the same environment. the entire world is CAUSAL.
so yeah, if we become able to scan the brain in a single state ACCURATELY, we can upload that network data and replicate you. it doesent even have to be the same medium. data is data if its correctly transformed it doesent matter. what matters is that all components used have effectively the same attributes as before and NO information is lost. much of said information lies within relation.
@@kliersheed Well, you could in the same way replace 90% of a person's body yet as long as his brain is still there and not being replaced then his soul still exist (so I tend to believe the soul exist in the brain somewhere and somehow, it's super advanced and complex and unreachable/invisible kind of science of the soul but it exists I think), also, you compare an already soulless inanimate thing (ship) to another and a human being and animals all have souls so a duplicate of a human being 1 to 1 could maybe simulate our souls but there would still be no souls in them unless you actually would also make sure the being's brain is biological.
Every one of us can tell that the experience we have in human bodies is definitely being observed by us through our senses and that we are truly aware and have true conciousness, that's the only proof we have and need to know that we are truly concious with souls/spirit or whatever you wanna call it in us that is being able to experience it on such authentic ways, it feels that there is something beyond mere materials to our mind/brain and body which would lack even in a 99.9% real like human like indistiguishable robot which is probably the soul that resides in us.
@@MrRandomPlays_1987
1. so humans souls is in the brain? but your hormones e.g. are also partly produced by your organs, and they regulate many things in your brain. if you only keep the brain, your "soul" would take a hit.
2. if animals olso have a soul ,where do you draw the border? a dog? (i would argue that it is as conscious as a human is), a cat? ca frog? a cokcroach? a bacteria? a virus (that cant even replicate by itself)? plants? whats makes them have or not have a soul? how do you think a worm that doesent have a classic brain or a sunflower makes "decisions" (in case you think- which i would assume- that they dont have a soul). how do they know where to crawl or where to move towards (to be in the sun), how do they decide if they should eat whats in front of them (the worm lol not the sunflower xd)? its simply actio and reactio, evolved over the 3 billion years of live existing. the ones who made the right decisions naturally survived, the weighting of doing that decision has naturally incrteased inside their DNA and thats that. no sould, just causal acting.
3. if there was a soul (that mattered) aka that had ANY influence on us (otherwise it might as well NOT exist). it would have to at some point interact with your brain, which is entirely made of matter. if it would interact, the moment it interacts you would be able to measure it (with whatever it interacts with). being unable to measure it, means it doesent exist.
@@kliersheed 1. I suppose then that the hormones are probably an added thing to our body+brain but its not relating to our souls (maybe indirectly but even then your feelings and experience in regard to hormones are still coming ultimately from your brain so then it still makes sense for our souls to be influenced by it in a way
2. I tend to believe all living things are having souls/spirits but are just on a different level (so their conciousness and soul is a different type of soul, some of them maybe more aware and concious than others but in different ways as well and on different scales of magnitude of awareness), I think that since they are biological then naturally they posses the feature of having a soul to some extent (depending on the creature/organism or lifeform if you will)
I'd assume that those with no brains kind of lifeforms are probably having a logic system (working like a brain) on their whole body? I don't know, probably else it does not make sense for them to make decisions but then I still think they might be having a soul in a way but just a drowsy one that is in their whole body or most of it, just a guess.
You could also claim that our brain is also a action reaction kind of thing so we don't have souls/spirits/awareness but we do indeed know for certain that our own individual experiences are real, hence that if we have a real awareness then we also have a soul/spirit and so despite the action reaction thing going on in our brains we are still more than just that, more than just neurons interacting with each other, it's something else that exist on top of that, else, we would have no awareness to reflect upon internally, if we were to be souless and without any true awareness then we would have zero reflection felt, it would be basically like a robot's brain, that can only simulate speech and thoughts yet it has zero feelings and zero true awareness, it is a dead material made believe to be alive.
3. I think our souls kind of snap on our brain's (and bodies maybe) and you might be thinking in the right direction that if it exists then it should be somehow be seen by its interactions or whatever it does in relation to our brain material but since we don't yet have figured out not even the slightest of bits of the souls realm science and supernatural science then we can't say for sure if we can measure it using existing devices/instruments or not, I tend to believe that it does exist and maybe one day humans would be able to measure it and even see it ETC but it's just a rather complicated kind of science that is maybe impossble to figure out, maybe using advanced AI in the future it would be possible to figure it out (the AGI/ASI would try to do a thorough research on the topic and who knows what it might be able to do).
So, I got a few questions.
If consciousness is emergent in our brains from simpler processes in systems/ subsystems in our brain, then why can't it be the same with ai? Like, LLMs layered in series and parallel making, collectively, what we would call consciousness.
Would it be ethical to "stop"/ "kill" said entity, even in a simpler/ less conscious form?
Lastly, ai is replacing thinking/ creative jobs. It is an almost certainty that it will eventually do this better than any human. Robots are being introduced into warehouses and factories, soon, they will do all the jobs there in.
What will us meat bags do when there's no thinking jobs we can do, and no manual/ skill jobs we can do, through no fault of our own?
Why would a Corp that has ai that makes all their work automated stay in a country that has a high BMI tax for them to pay instead of going to an island nation that lessens the burden?
Kurzweil is right, Instead of calling it Large Language Models, I think the expression Large Multimodal Models seems more fitting? Multimodal means multiple types of output. Also, when he said about backup of the brain and earth blowing up so the backup being lost, that's not entirely true because Elon Musk and others are launching rockets and we might be able to have server backups of these details on other planets so we can continue even if the earth backup is lost. The principle of multiple backups and multiple locations.
agreed. multi.planet species is a good next step we should definitely work on, i admire musk for that despite everyone hating the guy xd.
also agree with the "multi-modal-model" would at "that is trained on large language data bases for logical reasoning and communication". MMM for LRaC
Super exciting, still true and also a bit scary
Why is the interviewer's suit visibly several sizes below optimal?
++ Paperclip reference.
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Ray looking and sounding quite a bit older than I remember....odds on his living forever lengthening 😥
If from 2029 onwards we gain a year or more for every year we age, at what pace will we rejuvenate? 1 year in 2030, 1,4 year in 2031, 1,8 years in 2032 or what? Or will it be exactly a year every year? Or lots of years towards 2040?
It's likely not going to be that 'linear'. AGI may be able to show humans how to stop aging altogether at any time after 2030, so we just need to take the set of actions that lead to a higher probability that we will end up there. If one gets their blood work done every year, possibly intermittent fasting if green-lighted by their doctor, meditation, cardio, weight lifting and a diet/supplements that corresponds to what works best for one's body as per their blood type and blood work: This and continues learning about new ideas in the field should yield some of the highest probabilities of getting to the point where one can live "forever".
Look at David Sinclair's work at Harvard which has reversed the age of old mice, then primates. Human age reversal, resetting the entire body to a pre-aged adult level, may come all at once, or in massive leaps like GPT version releases.
@@MikeHodgkinson problems is inner poisoning. we dont just die because of telomeres becoming shorter (genetic death) but because of heavy metals, fat-soluable harmful substances, etc. and while we can regrow and exchange most organs, the brain, the important part, can not be fully copied yet (im confident we will reach that within next 30 years though so there may be hope for me xd (28 years old)
Took me a year to find this young lad and I've following Sean for a while now, thank you both very much for sharing your time and work Lea, and Sean, peace
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With singularity there will not be any problem sets. Space, Time and Energy will be the scope of its power and it may run in other dimensions so we may never observe or interact with the singularity once its achieved as it can hop dimensions. Hence maybe the spiritual soul theories explain it, or we will be stuck in 3 dimensions conciously, hence like pets in a zoo, be it, whilst the AI runs the show after singularity from another dimension.
Watching this at 1.25x speed is much better
interviewer is not what we want
As a follower, I knew AI and singularity since around 2005 .. probably..I knew this day from around 2009-10 ..
why is this interviewer an egomaniac who thinks his opinions are more important or valid than someone who literally wrote the book on this topic? He pushes the conversation into empty and meaningless conversational dead ends when Kurzweil actually has plenty to say and to communicate things that this crowd wants to hear, who even is this guy?
were he a competent interviewer and had he asked more relevant questions, I believe we could've gotten much more from Mr. Ray. A shame to say the least
The pace and human factors of diffusion of innovation into society is the neglected area Ray excels at in addition to fundamental innovations of his own!
Nick Thompson asks "what should the young people here today do to prepare for the future?"
everyone in the comment section unanimously agrees that for Nick Thompson is better to learn how to be more respectful of your elders (and practice to being a decent person)
That’s why he is a true scientist he’s aware consciousness can’t be defined … yogis and mystics say the same ..
Wouldn't the statement "Those who cannot hear Ray, raise your hand" be more effective, instead of asking a yes/no question where everyone is speaking at once?
Singularly come here in front!
In the movies, one character can be the brilliant scientist that thinks up, implements, and evangelizes the technology - like Dr. Hammond in Jurassic Park. In reality this almost never happens. When asking Ray Kurzweil questions all across the spectrum from ethical, societal, economic, and technological standpoints there are bound to be things he can't answer completely or immediately. However, give him a book to write and make his own arguments where he's comfortable and he's brilliant. This interview makes Kurzweil come across in a way which shows we expect too much of him. This is partly his doing, as he's put himself out there as a sort of sociologist in addition to his technical expertise. Going back to my Dr. Hammond example, we shouldn't expect the person with the genius to develop a technology to also work out all the ethical or social dilemmas - these are their own areas that need a seat at the table.
Everything is getting smaller and smaller, so it is harder and harder to keep an ion it.
Could it be more obvious that AI has to overcome control rooms issues, interviewers and failing equipment before taking over?
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Well what he describes about the abilities we will have from extending our brains with supercomputers looks like what people describe when they have NDEs and alien encounters.
Ray suggests that talent won't be necessary when an LLM makes it available to everyone, but it misses the point that talent isn't something you're born with - it's something you get with practice and experience.
If we take short cuts on how to get the benefits of "talent" how will we build the skills to do the "important work" that AI will free us up to do?
thats wrong. you can improve upon your talent with time and effort but you cant create it (maybe FIND it and think you created it).
it doesent matter how much i try to fly, i wont grow wings.
it doesent matter how much i try to train my reaction speed, if my genetics dont isolate my neurons well, it wont increase past a certain point.
it doesent matter how much i try to understand math, if my brain isnt structured like einsteins.
it doesent matter how hard i try to memorize a picture if i dont have photographic memory.
it doesent matter how hard i try to stay calm and think logical if my hormones are all over the place because of genetics or e.g. pregnancy.
it doesent matter how much an LLM is trained on cooking if it doesent have hands and feet. (isnt in a robot)
it doesent matter how much a human cooks in a kitchen if he cant smell, taste and has no sense of touch /temperature.
while its obvious that if you dont have an ability at all, it should also be obvious that there is a spectrum of these abilities. a storch can fly and a chicken can fly but only one has a "talent" in it. they still have to learn it, they suck at it on birth, but they have it. thats what a talent is. it basically means "ability to do smth (very good)" and if you are "talented" that just means you can do it better (in relation to others) than the "norm".
if both train the same amount or an infinite time, the one with A talent will be able to do it and get better, the one with MORE talent, will become better FASTER and progress FURTHER (higher max. cap.)
I don't call that talent. Talent is the seeming propensity to finds something easier and excel. It's not having abilities that others don't (like wings)
i mean to say we often think of talent as nature but I think most of it is nurture (of course biological predisposition might create a life with more experiences to build an ability)
Before we achieve the singularity, is it too much to ask for some hair mousse?
A human is conscious but what about a worm? What about a city or a coral reef? It reminds me of something Turing/Feynman/Yang/Musk all said essentially ... a plane flies but not at all like a bird, and a car runs but not at all like a cheetah. The way AI is conscience won't be able to be judged by the same terms we currently use.
the big difference is that neither a plain nor a car have neural networks and the bit of computing they do isnt even 1% of the complexity of our brain not to mention our neural network had 3 billions of years to evolve and become more efficient, AI is in its baby steps (its still just a prove of concept, not optimized at all). once the models become more complex, multi-agents interacting supervised by a hive-AI (basically what your compartments in the brain are when "you" engage a problem etc.) and the computing power/ the training data etc. are scaled even higher, they do have all capabilities a human has and are just as "conscious" as we are. (aka we arent "truely" conscious either, its a pseudo-effect of us becoming complex enough to subjectively perceive ourselves in contrast to our environment, emerged as an ability by evolutionary pressure and natural laws)
the world is causal and we are part of that world.
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