Got mine yesterday. Can confirm they fixed the keyboard layout. The arrow keys are smaller now, with the pgup and pgdn buttons on either side of the up arrow.
As a student and photographer, I was getting frustrated with my laptop having issues with Windows, and my friend installed Pop OS on it (I let him), and I absolutely love it! It just works, and is very buttery smooth. I am considering getting either the Lemur or Pangolin. Great review!
This will be my first Linux laptop. I can't wait to buy this in about one month. I have been a Linux user for years but bought other laptops and switch to Linux. I then try Windows for a while and get sick and tired of it. I mean I just can't stand it! How people use this is beyond me. And I will not put myself through this torture.
I would have liked more performance tests, especially sustained loads and if it throttles and loses a lot of performance, mainly because: this is a U-series processor! It only comes with 2 Performance cores, 8 Efficiency cores (perform much less) and 2 ultra efficient cores for any low resource background tasks. This basically has no hyperthreading either with 14 threads (HT on P-cores). This is very different from the Core Ultra 7 155-H for example, which comes with 6 P-cores, 8 E-cores, 2-UE cores and I believe 22 threads instead. I am personally interested in this CPU since I believe it will deliver excellent battery life, but I wish we could see more performance tests.
@@LinuxBTW not sure but I think Cinebench R23/24 should be on Linux? I personally also like to use R15 back to back since its a short run, after 5 to 10 runs you can see the loss in performance pretty quickly. I noticed a 15 to 20% loss on a new Zenbook this way. Thanks btw!
Hey man, got a question for you. I saw a video a months back where Linux got installed to a Macbook Air. I ended up plunging into this and purchased a MacBook Air 2017, installed EndeavourOS on it. The thing I always look for is the clickpad. I hate to love MacBook's clickpad cause on EOS it works perfectly, in my humble opinion. I've kept my eye on the Lemur Pro for its battery life on System76's site, and I want to spend some money and a laptop that comes with Linux already. The thing is that I got a 2016 Gazelle and the touchpad (not clickpad) is pretty bad. What's your opinion on this? Is it a good laptop clickpad? Loved the clip, really nice, well done.
Yeah the tricky part is having to adjust to the shift / up arrow. You can keep it as is (up arrow all the way on the right) or swap them but then you have to remember that shift is the right most, and to the left of that is the up arrow. I think most of the complaints are that it isn't clear this tradeoff needed to be made
Just found your channel so subbed now - good review, arrow keys don’t bother me but I can definitely see how that would get on a lot of people’s nerves… (I use Arch BTW 😉) 👍
Aren’t these still clevos rebranded? I have been wanting one of their laptops, i’d rather not pay the extra for a rebrand Chinese laptop, I liked their OS but I’m going to install a diff distro. The hardware is the main selling point for me with their order config
They are rebranded but System76 does a lot of open source work (such as the upcoming Cosmic Rust based DE) and they also ship this with System76's open firmware and tools such as system76-power where it lets you set battery thresholds (which I think is the most important feature for a Linux laptop)
Clevo is Taiwannese and the basis of many laptop brands. Alienware, Dell, Eurocom and many others. They make military grade as well. What's your problem?
Speedometer consistently uses less than 10% of desktop CPUs capacity for it's javascript tests so it's very weird seeing it used as a benchmark for anything but the barest minimum of a chromebook. Basically all decent keyboards are fully reprogrammable, especially on linux. Being impressed that HDMI works "out of the box" is also a very sad state of affairs, why wouldn't it?
It looks like they've upgrade this keyboard layout since your video. I checked Internet Time Machine back 2 months ago and it has the old layout, but the website has a newer one.
@@puguan3355 it looks like they updated it. I checked the internet Time Machine and the website, 2 months ago, showed the layout shown in this video. Now, the website has the updated version. I just ordered one after finding out this has been fixed.
They switched to a more standard keyboard. I'd bought one before the change and couldn't ever hit the right-shift even after using it for a week. If it weren't for the original keyboard, I would have kept it, but had to return it solely for that reason. Good thing for satisfaction guarantee! Then I was checking the System 76 site to show someone how wonky the keyboard was and noticed that the keyboard had changed. I contacted them to ensure that it was real and went and bought another with the better keyboard.
Yeah they have good support for this via system76.com/accessories/launch/download - it works for the Lemur + Launch Keyboards and writes to firmware so it persists
I’d love for System 76 to make a Surface Pro / ROG Z13 flow competitor. I have the previous gen Lemur Pro and enjoy it but use it 90% in clam shell mode.
So far I find that when I switch between keyboards it is an issue, but if I just use the Lemur for a few hours then I remember it (but I also have quite a few different keyboards such as the Kinesis)
The ultimate Linux laptop? Bs... Why do they lock down their bios/firmware, and what about supporting the install of any Linux distro besides their own PopOs. These are trash.
Of course you can boot a USB device and install other distros. It might not be "supported" but any of their systems will run any distro. If I want to run Arch on it, why should System76 help me if I run into a problem related to the OS?
@@bstrac77 from my experience their laptops do not allow booting an external USB, which by extension means they do not support the install of 3rd party linux distributions. Obviously they don't offer product support for anything besides Pop. But you seem confused, because you seem to incorrectly believe system76 laptop allow the installation of anything besides Pop via an external boot drive, and they don't. That's because the bios/firmware does not allow USB booting, which is exactly what I wrote.
Might be able to use the arrow keys,, but I really do need a laptop with dedicated home/end/pgup/pgdown keys, as I also use my function keys and don't want to have to use the fn modififer key to get to them... Unless I'm using an external keyboard, but then the size and light weignt isn't as important Just want something slightly bigger without going up to something that can fit a full keyboard with numpad
Since the keyboard is programmable you could change the arrow keys to be page up/down, home/end. If you use vim keybindings you can set the function key to switch h,j,k,l to be your arrow keys or wasd. I've been doing this for years with custom mechanical keyboards and cannot go back now. Arrow keys suck!
Great idea - I am already finding a few different things that would make good content, might do a 30 day follow up and see if I can fit the VM in. The monitor is the MSI G272QPF which is a pretty affordable QHD IPS with 170hz refresh and a decent stand: amzn.to/3JdWaiX
Does the 76 system have software in pop os to configure the CPU, such as clock speed etc, because Linux was always hopeless in this respect and you had to install various software and learn how to use it, today it is a bit better. What I care most about is the ability to control the fan speed I practically turn off my fan on windows on the laptop while webrowsing, watch video/youtube, listen music etc. fans only run when I gaming.
Still way too expensive to import. I can buy a Windows laptop for ⅓ of the price, get 3y wty and just either dual-boot or simply wipe the SSD and install Linux. System76 laptops lack 4K Screens and GPU capable of editing 4K+ video.
Desperate for a European distributor! Please System 76 if you are reading consider finding a distributor in mainland Europe. Our office would purchase several units (Looking at the Adder). For us in Portugal Customs would murder delivery. Making it totally unfeasible.
No it's not haha, my laptop has 10 cores and 16 threads and it's way more powerful than this laptop, why ? Because its laptop only have 2 performance core and 8 efficiency cores ans 2 ultra efficiency cores, my laptop has 6 performance cores and 4 efficiency cores, peformance cores matters a lot.
wtf were they thinking with this keyboard...
I don't think they actually make the chassis, so it's not something they have control over.
They couldn't have contacted the ODM to have that chaged?? im not buying that they had no input. @kdietz65
What's wrong with it?
Got mine yesterday. Can confirm they fixed the keyboard layout. The arrow keys are smaller now, with the pgup and pgdn buttons on either side of the up arrow.
Thanks for the review. I am interested in System76 and this was super-helpful! 🐧
As a student and photographer, I was getting frustrated with my laptop having issues with Windows, and my friend installed Pop OS on it (I let him), and I absolutely love it! It just works, and is very buttery smooth. I am considering getting either the Lemur or Pangolin. Great review!
May I ask what laptop you let your friend install Pop OS on? I am thinking about having one myself. Thanks
Thanks for this review! I'm surprised at how well it performed unplugged
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Thanks for reviewing
This will be my first Linux laptop. I can't wait to buy this in about one month. I have been a Linux user for years but bought other laptops and switch to Linux. I then try Windows for a while and get sick and tired of it. I mean I just can't stand it! How people use this is beyond me. And I will not put myself through this torture.
I would have liked more performance tests, especially sustained loads and if it throttles and loses a lot of performance, mainly because: this is a U-series processor! It only comes with 2 Performance cores, 8 Efficiency cores (perform much less) and 2 ultra efficient cores for any low resource background tasks. This basically has no hyperthreading either with 14 threads (HT on P-cores). This is very different from the Core Ultra 7 155-H for example, which comes with 6 P-cores, 8 E-cores, 2-UE cores and I believe 22 threads instead. I am personally interested in this CPU since I believe it will deliver excellent battery life, but I wish we could see more performance tests.
This is a good idea, will see what tests I can find
@@LinuxBTW not sure but I think Cinebench R23/24 should be on Linux? I personally also like to use R15 back to back since its a short run, after 5 to 10 runs you can see the loss in performance pretty quickly. I noticed a 15 to 20% loss on a new Zenbook this way. Thanks btw!
The Sys76 Darter Pro has an H series processor, and it's pretty much the same price as the Lemur
Thanks! This certainly looks like it's worth my money. Massive improvements over the lemp9 I had, for sure.
Hey man, got a question for you. I saw a video a months back where Linux got installed to a Macbook Air. I ended up plunging into this and purchased a MacBook Air 2017, installed EndeavourOS on it. The thing I always look for is the clickpad. I hate to love MacBook's clickpad cause on EOS it works perfectly, in my humble opinion. I've kept my eye on the Lemur Pro for its battery life on System76's site, and I want to spend some money and a laptop that comes with Linux already. The thing is that I got a 2016 Gazelle and the touchpad (not clickpad) is pretty bad. What's your opinion on this? Is it a good laptop clickpad?
Loved the clip, really nice, well done.
It should have a better screen for outdoors for that price. Thanks for the review
I’m interested seeing the reprogrammable keyboard. And coreboot?? Looks great. I’d like to know if OpenBSD runs on it
As far as the arrow position you can adjust reassign it in the software to function the same as you would be used to.
Yeah the tricky part is having to adjust to the shift / up arrow. You can keep it as is (up arrow all the way on the right) or swap them but then you have to remember that shift is the right most, and to the left of that is the up arrow. I think most of the complaints are that it isn't clear this tradeoff needed to be made
@@LinuxBTW pop the key caps off and switch them unless they are different sizes
Just found your channel so subbed now - good review, arrow keys don’t bother me but I can definitely see how that would get on a lot of people’s nerves… (I use Arch BTW 😉) 👍
Thanks! I just posted a short with a ridiculous solution
@@LinuxBTW LOL! That actually looks quite sweet.😉👍
if only they swapped the keys... F for keyboard :(
all in all very cool laptop!
Aren’t these still clevos rebranded? I have been wanting one of their laptops, i’d rather not pay the extra for a rebrand Chinese laptop, I liked their OS but I’m going to install a diff distro. The hardware is the main selling point for me with their order config
They are rebranded but System76 does a lot of open source work (such as the upcoming Cosmic Rust based DE) and they also ship this with System76's open firmware and tools such as system76-power where it lets you set battery thresholds (which I think is the most important feature for a Linux laptop)
Clevo is Taiwannese and the basis of many laptop brands. Alienware, Dell, Eurocom and many others. They make military grade as well. What's your problem?
I would love that form factor with the AMD processor of the Pangolin
Nice laptop but Is the bios fully featured as well? I hate it that most companies allow only very limited bios access.
That arrow key arrangement is the same as the one on a 1986 Apple ADB keyboard. Was a disaster then, too.
I checked their site and it looks like they updated it to have a standard layout
I'd been looking for a review of the laptop since it came out. I'd love to see another one covering other things like battery life.
Speedometer consistently uses less than 10% of desktop CPUs capacity for it's javascript tests so it's very weird seeing it used as a benchmark for anything but the barest minimum of a chromebook.
Basically all decent keyboards are fully reprogrammable, especially on linux. Being impressed that HDMI works "out of the box" is also a very sad state of affairs, why wouldn't it?
It looks like they've upgrade this keyboard layout since your video. I checked Internet Time Machine back 2 months ago and it has the old layout, but the website has a newer one.
i like the keyboard except the right shift please make that big.
Why does the keyboard on the website show a totally different layout for the up and down keys than this video? Did they update it recently?
Same confusion here, can someone update?
@@puguan3355 it looks like they updated it. I checked the internet Time Machine and the website, 2 months ago, showed the layout shown in this video. Now, the website has the updated version. I just ordered one after finding out this has been fixed.
They switched to a more standard keyboard. I'd bought one before the change and couldn't ever hit the right-shift even after using it for a week. If it weren't for the original keyboard, I would have kept it, but had to return it solely for that reason. Good thing for satisfaction guarantee! Then I was checking the System 76 site to show someone how wonky the keyboard was and noticed that the keyboard had changed. I contacted them to ensure that it was real and went and bought another with the better keyboard.
Is it built as the same materials as Lenovo X1 carbon?
They have an stronger now but it ends in 6500 usd and is 5.8ghz 8 core with 4090 16gb and 96gb 5600mhz and like 12tb in space
that keyboard is wild
Can you charge the laptop with the thunderbolt port?
Yup I just charged with the Thunderbolt 4 (The open firmware also supports battery thresholds so I can limit it to 90%)
Can remap the keys? Otherwise completely asinine doing arrow keys like that.
Yeah they have good support for this via system76.com/accessories/launch/download - it works for the Lemur + Launch Keyboards and writes to firmware so it persists
I’d love for System 76 to make a Surface Pro / ROG Z13 flow competitor. I have the previous gen Lemur Pro and enjoy it but use it 90% in clam shell mode.
Can you install 2 other Linux distros on this laptop?
Holy at that keyboard
So far I find that when I switch between keyboards it is an issue, but if I just use the Lemur for a few hours then I remember it (but I also have quite a few different keyboards such as the Kinesis)
The ultimate Linux laptop? Bs...
Why do they lock down their bios/firmware, and what about supporting the install of any Linux distro besides their own PopOs. These are trash.
The ability to boot a USB.
Of course you can boot a USB device and install other distros. It might not be "supported" but any of their systems will run any distro. If I want to run Arch on it, why should System76 help me if I run into a problem related to the OS?
@@bstrac77 from my experience their laptops do not allow booting an external USB, which by extension means they do not support the install of 3rd party linux distributions. Obviously they don't offer product support for anything besides Pop. But you seem confused, because you seem to incorrectly believe system76 laptop allow the installation of anything besides Pop via an external boot drive, and they don't. That's because the bios/firmware does not allow USB booting, which is exactly what I wrote.
@JonDisnard they also support Ubuntu, which you can choose as the OS when you buy from their site.
Might be able to use the arrow keys,, but I really do need a laptop with dedicated home/end/pgup/pgdown keys, as I also use my function keys and don't want to have to use the fn modififer key to get to them...
Unless I'm using an external keyboard, but then the size and light weignt isn't as important
Just want something slightly bigger without going up to something that can fit a full keyboard with numpad
Since the keyboard is programmable you could change the arrow keys to be page up/down, home/end. If you use vim keybindings you can set the function key to switch h,j,k,l to be your arrow keys or wasd. I've been doing this for years with custom mechanical keyboards and cannot go back now. Arrow keys suck!
mannn could u test davinci resolve and windows 10 vm on it ? great videoooo and pretty monitor which one is that?
Great idea - I am already finding a few different things that would make good content, might do a 30 day follow up and see if I can fit the VM in. The monitor is the MSI G272QPF which is a pretty affordable QHD IPS with 170hz refresh and a decent stand: amzn.to/3JdWaiX
@@LinuxBTW THANK UUUU U R THE GOAT
Love my Pengalin
Does the 76 system have software in pop os to configure the CPU, such as clock speed etc, because Linux was always hopeless in this respect and you had to install various software and learn how to use it, today it is a bit better. What I care most about is the ability to control the fan speed I practically turn off my fan on windows on the laptop while webrowsing, watch video/youtube, listen music etc. fans only run when I gaming.
great laptop... but the arrow buttons make it a hard pass
What the heck where they thinking about the arrow keys???
Did they fix the SecureBoot they were running unsecure secureboot these PopOS dudes. ?
They have not but we will have to see if the 2024 release for PopOS addresses it
damn better then 90% of the laptops
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that is the only Linux laptop for beginner friendly?
The question is how much?
It can be had for $1399 but I went for the CPU (155U), Ram (56GB) and SSD (2TB) upgrades which brought it to $2086
lol you have to be kidding 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Lemur, like the animal. Lol, but I like that you made it fancy French. :D
Haha I said it this way so many times I couldn't fix it later, but really adds some sophistication to it all
Still way too expensive to import. I can buy a Windows laptop for ⅓ of the price, get 3y wty and just either dual-boot or simply wipe the SSD and install Linux. System76 laptops lack 4K Screens and GPU capable of editing 4K+ video.
2.2 lbs is equal to exactly 1KG.
Desperate for a European distributor! Please System 76 if you are reading consider finding a distributor in mainland Europe. Our office would purchase several units (Looking at the Adder). For us in Portugal Customs would murder delivery. Making it totally unfeasible.
Open source BIOS ???
I wanted to spec out a system76 with 48GB and a high end intel Ultra. But no way I’m doing that when it has a PLASTIC chassis
$1300 for laptop committing actual blasphemy with those arrow keys lmao!
*12 cores / 14 thread !?!?*
This laptop is a beast !!
More powerful than all computers I ever had combined for a fraction of power consumption ...
No it's not haha, my laptop has 10 cores and 16 threads and it's way more powerful than this laptop, why ? Because its laptop only have 2 performance core and 8 efficiency cores ans 2 ultra efficiency cores, my laptop has 6 performance cores and 4 efficiency cores, peformance cores matters a lot.
@@YannBOYERDev Intel Core Ultra 7 155U: 12 Cores (2 Performance, 8 Efficient, 2 Low Power)
Even so, more powerful than everything I ever had!
The system76 logo peeled off on mine
one of the first linux laptop companies so def chil, they need to fix the arrow key thing though dumb and the ? being bigger than shift thing, dumb
every time you use the pop store the fans will ramp up regardless just so you know
I am excited to see how the new Cosmic rust based store performance is
build quality is trash