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- čas přidán 25. 06. 2024
- This a reminder that it is okay to expect more out of your publishers. For the love of God AGS please learn from this. I get you guys hate me for talking like this while being in the creator program but I can't help it. Take care of your casuals because they carry gaming. I also get that as a game publisher you are still quite green, but that's why this is important. To learn and improve.
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I didn't realize the publisher had this much power to change things in the game from the original game. WHY IS OUR VERSION LIKE IT IS?!?! AGS, get it together MANNNN!!!
Tencent is different. If you look up the history of SG, back in 2007 SG was nobody. And SG wanted to have tencent publish their game crossfire in China. The game was kicked back by Tencent three times before it finally got released in Chinese market. It was so popular and made the SG what it is today. So I am not surprised feedbacks from Tencent would get done right the way for the China market. AGS has no Influence as Tencent. Tencent is basically SAMSUM in korea or Google in the states.
Yeah Tencent is a bit of a special case and leaps and bounds different from AGS in this space. This kind of power and such is something that its like a .000001% AGS ever considered trying to have. But I think this is a great example of a Publisher taking a more commanding role while historically, people tend to blanket that publishers never can do anything.
@@Jukwolhow many player they have over there ? Any idea its higher or lower than west ?
They put charcoal on NPC's faces and made sh look like a cockroach.
It comes down to the publishing contract that is formed, and how much leverage the publisher is afforded by it. Contracts can contain anything, so long as it isn't illegal, and as such can widely differ between contracts, even if the core function is the same.
Forgot to comment on the last video, because you literally asked us about it, but your video sounds great again, so whatever you did, works.
So last video I used Sonar. And it recorded and sounded great on my end, but when the EQ was enabled it would produce random clipping at pointless times no matter my volume or how I spoke. There was one left in that video, and ultimately it made me recording process more tedious. (Issue only occurs with Audacity and I like editing audio most in there)
This time I just recorded raw and then did all the EQ and management in Resolve which I think is the way I'll go.
I wish it was roster bound gold, plus solo ANY content up to a certain iLevel (includes guardian raids and other group content -- not sure if this is the case in the update or not), and the 6 gold earners earn gold on every raid they do not just 3. I say this as someone who is returning and cant even catch up to 1580-1600 because it takes millions of gold. The way AGS has it now, it incentivizes RMTing instead of playing the game.
I don't know if tencent's influence over the game is it being some stipulations over serving the game in their region. Basically, part of their deal may be more control over the game itself to better serve their base. SG doesn't want to lose that massive market of players, it's money. They will do what needs to be done to keep the game very popular in that region. That's just me with my tinfoil
Chinese players also don't have a problem whaling for power. It's not seen as a negative there, similar to KR, but unlike here.
Honestly, i don't think the game's popularity abroad will allow AGS more influence over the game. It'll just remain popular to the few thousand players that still play, while the game dies a slow death with the dwindling player base until the region is no longer profitable and they decide to close the global version of the game.
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CN is catching up at a way faster pace so I totally understand the new benefit coming out. Their community has been mad about how good AGS events & rewards were now they finally got something. In fact Tencent has been milking players like crazy with the faster pace release without much extra sources to accomedate the move. I'm not sure if there's any sites to check player count in CN as it's not on steam but I highly doubt the changes are made to save their player count.
What's your source for chinese community claims?
Yeah, reading the end there, them saying that they lacked events. It seems like CN kind of launched the opposite as the West. Where it was a pretty rough launch, but they are now fixing the game for the long term. Meanwhile here we had a great launch but we lose chunks of the community to the squeeze points with minimal relief.
@@jamzbraz try browse NGA you'll see planty ppl complaining. I've stopped going there for a while coz most posts I see back then was complain and complains.
@@JukwolFrom what I understand, we lose players in the west because of p2w and forced coop endgame (leading to gatekeeping). There in China at least p2w is not a negative factor like here. What made the game not keep the players were mainly those aformentioned aspects in the west and it'll keep that way until they change it. At least p2w is what will never go away.
@@jamzbraz check NGA, I haven't been visiting the subform for a few weeks at least because it's been filled with complains regarding rewards and events for a long time.
Outside of the dps meter and the different balance patch, i can see this stuff coming for us as well. This just gives us an excuse to ask more from AGS. It will always be better to start lost ark later because the QoL and design is always improving. CN is no different.
Yeah. If this kind of stuff does really good at rejuvenating CN maybe AGS won't even have ask.
Tencent owns their version of Lost Ark, they aren't just the publisher.
The director back then said to the korean community that tencent has their own inhouse team working on the game and they only helped to release it there.
Every changes made in LA CN are 100% Tencent but as we know SG can still take updates from CN and port it over.
AGS only takes patches from SG and doesn't develop them while SG mainly focuses on the korean aufience which is completely different of what we want.
Example, Thrones of Liberty did an interview with players and content creators and answered wuestions from them, kanon was part of it and asked why game p2w, afterwards a korean player asked if the people playing who are there think that the current system is to unfair and to p2w, nobody there thought that.
In the west we clearly think that this system is very bad, we also think blue crystals are bad but lucent is way worse cuz you cant buy it with gold, just with items you sell on the market.
That actually makes a lot of sense to me as Tencent themselves do dev games so they have existing teams for those already. btw In CN version aero is 5% stronger than our version =D
Is it possible they bought developer rights? This is what they did with archeage as well and they were able to do whatever they wanted compared to Trion Worlds
A while back a common complaint in Korea was that players felt that Smilegate was making more effort to deal with the Chinese version, than to update the Korean one, so I don't think Tencent has the developer rights.
There is indeed a chance that Tencent had an agreement for more power to do it, but that still comes down to Tencent knowing the space extremely well and knowing that the game can't exist in China as it does Korea. AGS is still very green in this space so it is logical to give them a little breathing room for really not being as aggressive as Tencent when it comes to managing games. It's something I hope that AGS improves on and attempts to tailor towards the West more.
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Well, a good comparison to this was the En Masse version of TERA. It was well known that they had pushed for various changes that made it different from other releases of TERA.
It comes down to the publishing contract that is formed, and how much leverage the publisher is afforded by it. Contracts can contain anything, so long as it isn't illegal, and as such can widely differ between contracts, even if the core function is the same.
The bound gold idea doesn't sound bad and would work really well when solo raids and t4 come out in the west.
Would be nice if they removed the gold earning cap on after the main 6 gold earners and made it so that the gold made from 7 onward characters you have is 100% bound gold so that players that like to do raids or solo raids (soon) can find a way to progress and not be gate keept so much.
I'm hoping T4 has more fundamental changes to progression that we haven't heard yet. Solo raids and alting them overall just good to me in a sense that I'm someone who usually finds something they like about every class/character, so it will be fun to tinker with everything I benched. However that trait is self destructive with a multitude of roster swaps. While I understand your point, I think the issue more so isn't that you should be able to milk 24 characters in solo raids for gold, but more so the root is that it takes too much gold and work from alts to fund a single character. Having alts feel more optional and for fun because you actually want them would be a good change for the mental of the players imo.
Hard disagree. Bound gold would. Be an unmitigated mess in the west. Chinese players are more accepting of certain concepts than western players just like Korean players are more willing to deal with certain things than we are.
@@Jukwol I've been saying this for years. The bulk of the Gatekeeping in this game originates from the lack of time to enjoy the game, created by the insane preasure to earn max gold by raiding(18 total) on six characters in a single week. Most of the time characters you don't even give a f**k about, with the cheapest builds ever concieved, and still these alts don't pay you back in gold. That alone makes the game bleed new players who aren't sunken fallacy cost in enough to give two s**ts about this game, and veterans who finally find self-respect.
It makes you wonder how much power AGS actually has. But it does feel like Tencent bought more rights or something than AGS to afford more liberties. The irony of talking about "liberties" in an authoritarian ruled country's server doesn't elude me though lol. I do like the idea though, as it would increase the value of gold while still letting us have a use for bound gold until you get towards the tip of the endgame.
I mean, what can SG do at this point? Sue Tencent and expect Chinese authorities to enforce contract? Huge KEK
Yeah, I think EOD it's really that Tencent was much more aware of what they were getting themselves into and they knew the market extremely well to make the right deals with Smilegate.
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