Great Depression Coming & Bitcoin Going To $0 or $1 Million? - Peter Schiff vs Raoul Paul Debate

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    We can agree we are in a time of transition, so what is the next best move?
    In today’s episode of Impact Theory, we’ve got a hot debate between economists and investing experts Raoul Pal and Peter Schiff as we discuss Bitcoin and the future of the economy.
    Raoul Pal has become a legend in global economics as one of the most successful former hedge fund managers (retired at 36), and his insights into the current recession, global economy, and volatile markets are well respected.
    Peter Schiff is a seasoned Wall Street prognosticator known for his spot on predictions of the stock market performance, including gold, commodities, and the mighty dollar.
    In this debate, we’re touching on:
    - Value vs. price
    - Potential currency collapse and its effects
    - Bitcoin's allure and the comparison with gold standard
    - Market impact predictions of the 2024 election
    - AI's potential to alleviate economic problems
    - Differing ways to prepare for hyperinflation or financial repression
    - Asset value in a volatile market
    - The growing national debt and potential hyperinflation
    - Historical patterns of financial repression
    - Blockchain technology and digital asset utilization
    - The future of Social Security
    This episode is a must watch for anyone who wants to look deep into the debates between gold and digital assets, investment strategies amid economic uncertainty, and the possibility of a great depression.
    Chapter Markers:
    [0:00] Let’s Agree on the Problem
    [32:58] Digital vs. Physical Assets
    [1:04:02] Eroding Value of Bitcoin
    [1:56:55] What About the National Debt?
    [2:07:19] Impact of AI and Robots on Economy
    [2:37:17] Ideas Causing the Underlying Problem
    Powerful Insights From the Debate:
    “Instead of taking your money by taxing you openly and directly or even indirectly through a sales tax, [the government] surreptitiously robs you of your purchasing power by just creating money out of thin air, usually with a complicit central bank."
    - Peter Schiff
    "I've always liked gold, but gold has not done particularly well in recent years. Against debasement on a globalized basis, it still works beautifully well as a global currency, and against global debasement over time. It works. But the really strong debasement we've been having in recent years, it just hasn't done well enough"
    - Raoul Pal
    "So I think people who are getting out of the dollar or the euro and buying bitcoin have jumped out of the frying pan into the fire."
    - Peter Schiff
    "What's harder is to say, what the hell does an economy mean after 2030, when you've got endless AI and robots and AGI? What what value do you provide in that world?"
    - Raoul Pal
    "Because the free market is trying to lower prices by increasing productivity, the government is raising them by creating inflation. And so it's a dance. But to the extent that we can have a huge surge in productivity that's driven by AI or robotics or a combination of the two, that's actually a good thing."
    - Peter Schiff
    “And I just urge all of us to just make sure that we don't get obsessed by our own mental models, because they will change, and the world changes. And sometimes we can be dead wrong, and sometimes we can be dead right."
    - Raoul Pal
    "Our ability to stimulate with QE, with inflation is predicated on the false belief that the fed could shrink the balance sheet, withdraw the liquidity, normalize interest rates, we can pay off the debt. When the markets come to the unfortunate realization that that's not true, then the bottom drops out and we can't kick the can down the road anymore because there's no more road."
    - Peter Schiff
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Komentáře • 13K

  • @cryptowolf-zf3fs
    @cryptowolf-zf3fs Před měsícem +2558

    I love Both! Bitcoin and Gold (some silver too) Take profit from Bitcoin and buy a little gold as backup. Get some land too if the taxes are reasonable. Its best to have several piles of profitable stuff.

    • @weekend_warrior_podcast
      @weekend_warrior_podcast Před měsícem +167

      You just solved this three hour conversation! Haha agreed

    • @immigrantsagainstimmigrati2557
      @immigrantsagainstimmigrati2557 Před měsícem +57

      You are the only reasonable person here!

    • @ArrestYourAddiction
      @ArrestYourAddiction Před měsícem +54

      The 5 G's + 1 B = gold guns ground grub gas plus bitcoin.

    • @OGCrypto33
      @OGCrypto33 Před měsícem +45

      Exactly, its called not putting all your eggs into one basket.

    • @The-Dirty-Straw
      @The-Dirty-Straw Před měsícem +29

      For real. I dont trust Bitcoin as a store of value long. If you need that in a few years, the volatility is too much. This bubble will pop when the dollar spikes and hodlers need cash to pay for things

  • @bobbymainz1160
    @bobbymainz1160 Před 7 dny +1210

    This is amazing. “How to build wealth”

    • @alexyoung3126
      @alexyoung3126 Před 7 dny +3

      The first step to building wealth is figuring out your goaIs and risk toIerance - either on your own or with the heIp of a financiaI pIanner, and foIIowing through with an inteIIigent pIan, you wiII gain financiaI growth over the years and enjoy the benefits of managing your money.

    • @williamyejun8508
      @williamyejun8508 Před 7 dny +1

      I am fortunate I made productive decisions that changed my finances through my financiaI planner. Got my house in Feb, and hoping to retire soon.

    • @jameswood9772
      @jameswood9772 Před 7 dny +2

      hints if you dont mind

    • @williamyejun8508
      @williamyejun8508 Před 7 dny +5

      Melissa Maureen Ward

    • @jameswood9772
      @jameswood9772 Před 7 dny +2

      found her online, l’m amazed to partake on this, lt has rekindled the fire to my goals.

  • @matthew1106
    @matthew1106 Před měsícem +984

    This is the best example of a moderator in a debate I've seen in a LONG time. Wow. Almost fully impartial, kept them on topic, did recaps, forced them to define their mindset and why they thought that. The moderator was the MVP of this debate IMO.

    • @themetamentors
      @themetamentors Před měsícem +11

      When I’m looking for ‘em partial / moderator. Tom Bilyeu is cream of the crop!! Love it!

    • @huntncover
      @huntncover Před měsícem

      What was needed was sorely lacking - someone to tell them that they're both wrong . The rich man's game is coming to an end . That's why all of the big hitters are selling their stocks in their own companies , and why they have built and are ready to go into their underground bunkers . They know what's coming because they planned it all , and they know it's not going to be pretty . Especially for those on the surface , where they don't intend to be .

    • @billdyer4243
      @billdyer4243 Před měsícem +4

      Yes great job

    • @jerrudhirschey7479
      @jerrudhirschey7479 Před měsícem +17

      Tom to moderate presidential debates!

    • @david.morebau
      @david.morebau Před měsícem +4

      Agree 100%

  • @ambertraceyy
    @ambertraceyy Před 16 dny +889

    Please buy Bitcoin and don’t listen to Peter, if you can though. He's just too stubborn as a mule. I regret not following my instinct and bought bitcoin some months ago when its price was between $20k and $25k because i listened to Peter. It's quite devastating now.

    • @fredm1
      @fredm1 Před 16 dny +4

      This is why I only take advices from my advsor for good entry and exit points on any buys. Best decision yet.

    • @josephbush
      @josephbush Před 16 dny +3

      Right, a lot of folks downplay the role of advisors until being burnt by their emotions, no offense. I remember some years back, during the covid-outbreak, I needed a good boost to stay afloat, hence researched for advisors and thankfully came across one with grit. As of today, my cash reserve has yielded from $350k to nearly $1m

    • @debwes1
      @debwes1 Před 16 dny +1

      @josephbush May I know the name of the advsor who has been assisting you, please?

    • @debwes1
      @debwes1 Před 16 dny +1

      Thanks for this. Found her and looked through her credentials before contacting her. Once again many thanks.

    • @keithbellair9508
      @keithbellair9508 Před 16 dny

      Shitcoin is all hype.. there is no predicting it.. it relies on hype and propaganda to go up..

  • @MaxWell-pp9zs
    @MaxWell-pp9zs Před 5 dny +72

    should have titled this the clash of economic titans. Passive Bitcoin investments rely on momentum, simple, yet often misunderstood. No free lunch in finances. 5k in doge made me half a million after taxes, i threw that into futures now holding over $4m in de-fi assets

    • @Joe900-px3nt
      @Joe900-px3nt Před 5 dny

      you simply lucked out

    • @MaxWell-pp9zs
      @MaxWell-pp9zs Před 5 dny

      ill credit that to my research that led me to emily ava milligan, a top fund manager rather than luck. 500k to where i'm at is impossible without skill

    • @SaraNisha-fw4uk
      @SaraNisha-fw4uk Před 5 dny

      Its interesting how similar our experiences are. I pulled in 450 grand last month, thanks to my fund manager. I also use gold as a hedge against surprises, I'm on both teams. It's encouraging when i see others make tangible results

    • @MaxWell-pp9zs
      @MaxWell-pp9zs Před 5 dny

      same here, the true worth of a capable fund manager should be evident from their performance within the first few months. It's wonderful to have a community like this, delving into these topics

    • @MichaelJaw-hv9uu
      @MichaelJaw-hv9uu Před 5 dny

      its encouraging when i come across real life examples of success with crypto and finance in general. your experiences deserve to be highlighted

  • @brandonjustes947
    @brandonjustes947 Před měsícem +947

    Reminder to self, come back in 10 years and re-watch.

    • @metapresentations8918
      @metapresentations8918 Před měsícem +54

      When you watch this in 2034 Peter Schiff will seem like the prophet who knew everything. Raoul will be an example of the delusion that was pervasive.

    • @Passerby8822
      @Passerby8822 Před měsícem +22

      there will be no "10 years"; it's all going to be over in 3-6 years "ALL-- EVERYTHING" !!

    • @chrismale9976
      @chrismale9976 Před měsícem

      ​@@metapresentations8918😂😂wake up ffs bitcoin gona wreck him as it has for 15 years

    • @hamradiocq
      @hamradiocq Před měsícem +76

      Bitcoin 2.7million dollars, gold 5500

    • @kengaroo5170
      @kengaroo5170 Před měsícem +14

      Central Banks can use governments to sanction Bitcoin when the CBDC comes out. The same is true with gold or silver.
      Still, China, Russia, India, etc. have been stock piling gold for over a decade.

  • @francoiscadieux738
    @francoiscadieux738 Před měsícem +1035

    Peter Schiff's 480p camera shows where is the best store of value.

  • @richardhaysom
    @richardhaysom Před 18 dny +45

    This was one of the most fascinating debates I have ever listened to. I am seventy years old and have been self employed since my late twenties. I appreciated both sides of the discussion and the moderator did a fantastic job in controlling the debate and expressing his own views. I think it’s fair to say that this debate reflected generational differences which added to the interest. I totally "got" Peter Schiff's perspective because his is the rationalization that I have grown up with. However, I was intrigued by Raoul Pal's perspective and actually found it inspirational, and perhaps that is what is needed in this world right now more than anything else. Congratulations to you three gentlemen, you all did yourselves proud!

    • @investoroncoke
      @investoroncoke Před 17 dny +1

      They are both full of it.
      Bitcoin is a speculation product and a poor means of exchange
      Gold is a commodity and store of value but mostly propped up by peoples egos.
      Raoul exposed himself when he said the point he backs bitcoin is his ability to make money from it.. Dollars. It all comes back to making dollars - the real means of exchange.
      Both speakers have an agenda and bias, thanking them for that is foolish.
      Sorry, just being honest

    • @bradshawlitigation5544
      @bradshawlitigation5544 Před 13 dny

      @@investoroncoke And you're on coke, so we should definitely value your opinion.

    • @bradshawlitigation5544
      @bradshawlitigation5544 Před 13 dny

      Agreed. Great discussion on the issues.

    • @keystonefreebordcrew1482
      @keystonefreebordcrew1482 Před 9 dny +2

      Really? I went in open minded, and was very Disappointed at what peter said his argument was very loose and he made paul raul's point for him many times. Peter needs to do his homework and actually come up with valid arguments. Using his watch as an example of how gold has value and Bitcoin doesn't has to be the dumbest thing I've ever heard.He proved that gold is not much different from Bitcoin.

    • @keystonefreebordcrew1482
      @keystonefreebordcrew1482 Před 9 dny

      Nobody Mentions The fact that if gold at some point is able to be created from other Materials, then the price of gold will dump like Crazy.Because the supply goes way up and it will become worthless.That's the biggest thing I think about when you compare the two. They aren't much different.

  • @Celikmanzerrin
    @Celikmanzerrin Před 9 dny +55

    Thanks for the advice! I'm new to financial planning and wasn't sure where to start. Any tips on finding a reliable financial adviser or resource to guide beginners?

    • @GeraldLoftin822
      @GeraldLoftin822 Před 9 dny +4

      I'd recommend Sam Deymon as the ideal finacial adviser to use.

    • @GeraldLoftin822
      @GeraldLoftin822 Před 9 dny +4

      He's TE LEG RAM....

    • @GeraldLoftin822
      @GeraldLoftin822 Před 9 dny +4

      @samdeymon53 💯..that's it = 4 advise..

    • @OumarHajar
      @OumarHajar Před 9 dny +1

      Cant thank Mr Sam Deymon enough $538,650.00!

    • @OumarHajar
      @OumarHajar Před 9 dny +2

      Great content for the best person thanks for your sharing raod

  • @jameswells0327
    @jameswells0327 Před měsícem +320

    What we really need is to get Peter Schiff and Michael Saylor in the same room!

    • @axejokertv5336
      @axejokertv5336 Před měsícem +47

      "People who use gold as a store of value,we call them poor" 🤣

    • @FIX-IT-Yourself
      @FIX-IT-Yourself Před měsícem

      That will never happen. Saylor will never debate Peter Schiff because he has too much invested in $hitCOIN and knows full well that Peter is more than capable of instilling his greatest fear and more than the small amount of doubt required to SCHIFFt the HODL (Hold On for Dear Life) mentality to RYL (Run for Your Life). GET OUT WHILE YOU STILL CAN. $hitCOIN is the 2nd biggest ponzi in history, second only to the largest ever ponzi scheme currently being run by the US Government with the aid of the Federal Reserve.

    • @russbilderback
      @russbilderback Před měsícem +48

      Schiff doesn't belong in a room with Saylor, and Michael probably wouldn't waste his time with Schiff.

    • @FIX-IT-Yourself
      @FIX-IT-Yourself Před měsícem

      @@russbilderback YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT!!!! Saylor doesn't belong in a room with Schiff he belongs in a prison cell. The amount of people he advocates should invest all their money into $HITCOIN is criminal. A lot of people, including you obviously and every other HODLer, will unfortunately be left holding a digital wallet 'full of nothing' when the 'whale pumpers' like Saylor head for the exits, culminating in a huge transfer of wealth from the foolish greedy delusional (getting in at the elevated price levels) to the cunning and nefarious who will decide the best opportunity to exit this massive ponzi scheme. Good luck to you and all the others who freely participate in this 2nd largest ponzi scheme, second only to the largest ponzi scheme currently being run by the US Government and the Federal Reserve. Don't say you haven't been warned or cry to the government for regulation. No one should take pity or have any sympathy for anyone who gets burned playing with fire.

    • @aries6776
      @aries6776 Před měsícem

      Why? Schiff would just embarrass himself even more with his anti-bitcoin mania. BTC is overtaking silver shortly in market cap and in a couple of years I think it will have surpassed gold too.

  • @user-uf8el6dv4f
    @user-uf8el6dv4f Před měsícem +2834

    Bitcoin's momentum is undeniable, but Weewu integration of gaming and crypto brings a fresh perspective.

    • @geoms6263
      @geoms6263 Před měsícem +16

      hi scamer

    • @arnonabuurs7297
      @arnonabuurs7297 Před měsícem

      its the worst bullshit ever you dombo

    • @gregfridholm2136
      @gregfridholm2136 Před měsícem +1

      Why would you what a "fresh perspective," while you can still buy old gold?

    • @USGrant21st
      @USGrant21st Před 28 dny +2

      Bitcoin fans consist of two categories: gamblers and cult members, that's it.

    • @arnonabuurs7297
      @arnonabuurs7297 Před 28 dny +1

      @@USGrant21st All smart people, and rich soon as well 🤙

  • @JamieClemenger-ze5pt
    @JamieClemenger-ze5pt Před 2 dny +11

    My investments in stocks and crypto are not meeting my expectations. Any last minute tips to improve my situation and make more $$$? Really need some urgent advice

    • @JulioIbanez-mb4il
      @JulioIbanez-mb4il Před 2 dny +2

      Keeping up with news sources like CNBC could help out
      Just buy when prices are low and sell when prices rise

    • @PhilDurham-gw8qd
      @PhilDurham-gw8qd Před 2 dny

      A lot of folks downplay the role of advlsors until being burnt by their own emotions. Over the years, Ive been able to achieve a level of financial growth that I never thought possible, by just partnering with seasoned traders and financial advisors. This method remains highly efficient even till today

    • @ArmandoMelaj-et4pi
      @ArmandoMelaj-et4pi Před 2 dny +2

      JodyNorman has always been on the top of my list..She is regarded as a genius in her area and well knowledgeable about financial markets.

    • @FilipShekh
      @FilipShekh Před 2 dny +1

      Yeah. Jody's strategy is one of the most effective among other experts. Many others are not dependable.

    • @ArmandoMelaj-et4pi
      @ArmandoMelaj-et4pi Před 2 dny +2

      I highly recommend her if you want excellent collaboration.

  • @azizboumiza3449
    @azizboumiza3449 Před 4 dny +13

    Talking to Peter Schiff feels like chatting with my 75-year-old farmer grandpa.

  • @warlordwillie422
    @warlordwillie422 Před měsícem +444

    We need a Michael Saylor debate with Peter Schiff!

    • @mbrum3230
      @mbrum3230 Před měsícem +10

      And whats he gonna say?

    • @deepshallows
      @deepshallows Před měsícem +27

      Not gonna happen. Waste of his time

    • @BradKwfc
      @BradKwfc Před měsícem +11

      Saylor....😅

    • @Addzaye
      @Addzaye Před měsícem +31

      MS would destroy him

    • @A.I.-
      @A.I.- Před měsícem +27

      Michael "Trust me bro" Saylor

  • @alessandromorris3583
    @alessandromorris3583 Před 19 dny +13

    There is a generational issue here. Truth is, Bitcoin itself is the gateway to what the digital future will be. It's easy for Trad-fi to make a case against bitcoin while ignoring the fact that the real disruption is blockchain. Bitcoin and the word crypto are just unfortunate names that people without the understanding can get distracted. What is considered "real thing " is not going to be the same when blockchain becomes the source of truth. It's a good debate and hats off to RP for keeping his composure.

    • @hubblebublumbubwub5215
      @hubblebublumbubwub5215 Před 10 dny

      What are you actually saying? If it's a gateway, doesn't that just make it disposable when a new better thing comes around?

    • @air-ren
      @air-ren Před 5 dny

      not sure what that other comment is yapping about but agreed. Peter simply doesn’t fathom the digital frontier and its impact/“value” it will have and already has on generations today and to come. pffttt oh well

    • @hubblebublumbubwub5215
      @hubblebublumbubwub5215 Před 4 dny

      @@air-ren Impact and value are two completely different things.

    • @air-ren
      @air-ren Před 4 dny

      @@hubblebublumbubwub5215 buddy, you’re still not providing a point. you’re just talking

    • @hubblebublumbubwub5215
      @hubblebublumbubwub5215 Před 4 dny

      @@air-ren That's the most hypocritical thing I've ever read.

  • @DavidHarding-nj6qb
    @DavidHarding-nj6qb Před 22 dny +22

    "Speculative mania," as Peter puts it, does not get ETF approval by the SEC. We're way past this argument.

    • @bwohali4471
      @bwohali4471 Před 16 dny +2

      Agreed Peter Schiff make some of the most idiotic statements and has done so for several years

    • @mathiasullrich5622
      @mathiasullrich5622 Před 15 dny

      What kind of idiotic argument is that? Bernie Madoff was under supervision of the SEC for years, and they didn't care about his Ponzi scheme or were too incompetent to see it.

    • @briangorejr2755
      @briangorejr2755 Před 14 dny

      The Sec is a criminal organization

    • @briangorejr2755
      @briangorejr2755 Před 14 dny

      The sec is a criminal organization

    • @briangorejr2755
      @briangorejr2755 Před 14 dny

      The Sec is a criminal organization

  • @frankscott1708
    @frankscott1708 Před měsícem +259

    Despite Peter & Raoul being so close in age, I can't help but notice how they embody the thought patterns and conversational styles of their respective generations. Peter is pretty solidly a Baby Boomer in strength of conviction and emphasis on values and continuity. Meanwhile Raoul is classic Gen-Xer, introducing a lot of space for uncertainty, self-critiquing and investigating the implicit biases of the different economic narratives.

    • @rhynojosh
      @rhynojosh Před měsícem +12

      Underrated comment

    • @etishbite456
      @etishbite456 Před měsícem +26

      Raoul is more versatile better mind.

    • @nick-oi1xf
      @nick-oi1xf Před měsícem +3

      Great observation

    • @alexpapaefthimiou1282
      @alexpapaefthimiou1282 Před měsícem +18

      It seemed like Schiff didn't have enough respect for the younger generation. A few comments were really dismissive.

    • @MarkMark-ji6ts
      @MarkMark-ji6ts Před měsícem

      I'm Gen-X Bitcoin is an open source algorithm with 20K permutations. Good luck betting your future financial health buying bitcoin at 40K+ USD I prefer income producing equities, property and some cash.

  • @TomBilyeu
    @TomBilyeu  Před měsícem +1281

    WARNING: I will never ask for your contact info in the comments section, that is someone impersonating me!

    • @atheplummer
      @atheplummer Před měsícem

      @TomBilyeu I'd really love to see this exact presentation with Raul Paul and Richard Heart... It won't be the whole gold vs. BTC... The reality is, one is physical & the other is digital & nothing more than a win/lose proposition between buying & selling.
      Richard Heart will bring new information to the table in that he's figured out how to improve use as a currency, how to invest your asset to earn more of the asset (without wasting electricity in mining), & has both inflationary and deflationary properties.
      Heart uses the BTC model, but improves it for everyone.

    • @Ackermanmedia
      @Ackermanmedia Před měsícem

      This is another ABSOLUTE red flag this is a scam all over the world. If Raoul truly believed in this phantom "asset" he would debate me.

    • @Infinitemoneycoin
      @Infinitemoneycoin Před měsícem +1

      What was their opinion on Shiba inu

    • @TechnologyBuzz3000
      @TechnologyBuzz3000 Před měsícem +2

      Thanks for this debate Tom!

    • @anthothiyahisrael422
      @anthothiyahisrael422 Před měsícem

      Watch out for the temple in Jerusalem. It will put silver coin over the top.

  • @andreymilakin3237
    @andreymilakin3237 Před 19 dny +23

    Haven’t seen such a classic “Old vs New” debate in ages !

  • @jackgoldman1
    @jackgoldman1 Před 6 dny +1

    Well done excellent debate. The winners were Raul Paul, Peter Schiff, and all of us.

  • @animismusworks6237
    @animismusworks6237 Před měsícem +397

    For those who believe, no proof is necessary.
    For those who do not believe, no proof is possible.

    • @helenkessler6012
      @helenkessler6012 Před měsícem

      You just described the mass deformation being forced on societies. Just a vapor.

    • @HerrschmannNachmann
      @HerrschmannNachmann Před měsícem +11

      well, if those who believe will be proven wrong I am not so sure if they agree to your statement

    • @karriemsharief
      @karriemsharief Před měsícem +28

      For those who believe, there’s room for disbelief.
      For those who know, there’s no room for belief.

    • @megbride5645
      @megbride5645 Před měsícem +2

      Exactly

    • @anthonyprice3353
      @anthonyprice3353 Před měsícem +9

      200 million users of bitcoin currently. It's called consensus. It could also be called proof. Depends on what your measure of proof is. Perhaps after this bull market where the residual users have doubled to 400 million?

  • @puretruth6379
    @puretruth6379 Před měsícem +95

    Peter Schiff says, " Bitcoin is 60K, but it was 60K 2 years ago." Gold was $2000 in 2010, 14 years later, it finally broke above it. Did he forget?

    • @pesh909
      @pesh909 Před měsícem +2

      *btc currently 72k

    • @American_Kneeler
      @American_Kneeler Před měsícem +5

      He probably forgot about his stock market crash predictions for the past 15 years as well haha.

    • @RR-jj1ee
      @RR-jj1ee Před měsícem +7

      Did it also go down over 70% in that time?

    • @big_red_machine3547
      @big_red_machine3547 Před měsícem

      He’s a moron who doesn’t even understand how and why bitcoin has value. No clue

    • @gigglesinside
      @gigglesinside Před měsícem +5

      He also said BTC was going to zero when it was 3k 😂

  • @oklufbokluf2839
    @oklufbokluf2839 Před 12 dny

    wow dis is a disscussion what i want t see. Neu channel found. love you!
    Bought m first btc and altcoins. im hyped. learning and research is my new daily goal.
    First Question:
    witch presale shall i buy?

  • @silverlion5384
    @silverlion5384 Před 23 dny +26

    Mr. Schiff. 30:39 Gold is not the best conductor of electricity, SILVER is the best conductor of electricity; followed by copper then Gold. Gold is # 3. Silver is a strategic Metal used in industry, military weapons solar panels, cell phones, electric vehicles, computers, televisions, mirrors, medical equipment. The mining ratio is 7 to 1 . The purchase ratio is about 85 to 1. Silver is massively undervalued.

    • @brendand1937
      @brendand1937 Před 22 dny +1

      100% silver stacking dwarves both arguments

    • @MannElite
      @MannElite Před 11 dny +1

      I don't think this is true. I think Gold is the best conductor. Why would they use gold for PCB components if silver is better and 80x cheaper? Same with cables, like high quality audio cables for example are gold plated, and marketed as gold plated for superior conductivity and less loss of the audio signal. Also, silver cables would tarnish over time, and again I'm not like a scientist so maybe I'm wrong, but it would seem like as the silver tarnishes it would be come worse and worse at conducting, where as gold doesn't tarnish.

    • @hubblebublumbubwub5215
      @hubblebublumbubwub5215 Před 10 dny +1

      He likes silver as well, though he way over-emphasizes gold.

    • @Gold_Silver.
      @Gold_Silver. Před 10 dny +3

      Silver demand for solar and EV’s 📈

    • @jeromedenis4754
      @jeromedenis4754 Před 8 dny

      Gold is pavement in heaven. It's just a mineral, a rock, a metal that's pretty.

  • @enginestarter664
    @enginestarter664 Před měsícem +183

    "What would have to happen for you to reverse your opinion" was the best question ever.

    • @blakelwhitney
      @blakelwhitney Před měsícem +26

      too bad neither answered it. nothing will convince peter to change. honestly i wouldn't be surprised if he's secretly hedging his own bets with bitcoin.

    • @taxationistheft711
      @taxationistheft711 Před měsícem

      @@blakelwhitney He has been accepting btc for payment of gold since the early days. Hmmmmm

    • @muntkins
      @muntkins Před měsícem +13

      @@blakelwhitneyyou hit the nail on the head… he would never publicly admit such thing

    • @trinitylove8535
      @trinitylove8535 Před měsícem +1

      💯

    • @blakelwhitney
      @blakelwhitney Před měsícem +18

      @@muntkins any sound investor would diversify into the new asset class just in case.

  • @Jonnys00007
    @Jonnys00007 Před 22 dny +3

    Killer debate best one ive seen in a long time . Im hoping to see a round 2 between these two. There peofessional and articulate about the subject

  • @LuisCortezChapin
    @LuisCortezChapin Před 16 dny +3

    Hope to see more of these debates, thank you Tom.

  • @ThinkingCrypto
    @ThinkingCrypto Před měsícem +88

    Peter has been wrong about Bitcoin for over 10 years, he has lost all credibility.

    • @immigrantsagainstimmigrati2557
      @immigrantsagainstimmigrati2557 Před měsícem +4

      Think about who is controlling BitCoin!!
      Bitcoin isn’t different from stock markets and banks!

    • @vambo13257
      @vambo13257 Před měsícem

      make a case for Gold and Silver over crypto, you can't!!!!@@immigrantsagainstimmigrati2557

    • @Patriccist
      @Patriccist Před měsícem

      @@immigrantsagainstimmigrati2557 its all because ofcovid and 5 g

    • @din3832
      @din3832 Před měsícem +3

      a lot of what he says is on point, just that on bitcoin he is in denial, since his business is gold. its like the candle factory pissed of on electricity.

    • @pex8151
      @pex8151 Před měsícem

      ​@@din3832 😂😂😂

  • @jerelrobinson3762
    @jerelrobinson3762 Před měsícem +48

    long story short.. people just need to realize that we as human beings as a collective are the ones that assign value to anything. That this done through supply and demand, scarcity and abundance.

    • @carlosrivera-tc3zv
      @carlosrivera-tc3zv Před měsícem +4

      Well said, We put price on rocks (diamond)metal(gold) and is all about supply and demand. Basic economics. $ is paper, the more we print, it worth less. Go back to history, Greece and Rome. look at what happened then and now with the Fiat currency. People collectively can make the difference (GAMESTOP), not only the "big shoots"....

    • @user-fb7jr2fb1q
      @user-fb7jr2fb1q Před měsícem +2

      I don’t think the value of anything is determined collectively, but rather on an individual basis according to the need of the individual. Only you can decide what you can or can’t live without. When all things are scarce, the collective is not relevant, to the survival of the individual.

    • @phantomcharger568
      @phantomcharger568 Před měsícem +2

      Actually I'd say the real value of something is determined by what it cost to replace it.
      Bitcoin has no value other then what people think/say it's worth, gold cost man power, diesel, equipment, repairs, land and taxes paid on it to replace this real asset. (And even with that, there's still a finite amount of it in the ground) You can do literally nothing with digital tokens other then trade them, they have no real/actual value, but unlike other assets they do hog up a lot of real world electric and computing power.
      I would also add
      gold= money for 5k years
      Bitcoin= money for what, 10- 15 years?
      Yeah, no, sounds like a fad to me.

    • @Basic-Reviews
      @Basic-Reviews Před 27 dny

      @@phantomcharger568it actually costs a lot of money and computing power to generate Bitcoin, it’s not like you blow a balloon and woala you got Bitcoin, doesn’t work like that.

  • @bobbyhexlrod1651
    @bobbyhexlrod1651 Před 11 hodinami

    Peter is obviously a very smart gentleman, but he seems to be having a very difficult time accepting the transition towards the tokenization of RWA's(real world assets), "phygital" (physical meets digital) and other stores of value. The notion that BTC isn't going to succeed is ludicrous. The market has already spoken via $7.2mil X's from a penny, being listed on the CME, and an ETF approval. Can we please turn the page?

  • @betarseller7437
    @betarseller7437 Před 7 dny +1

    Ummm silver is a better asset to own than gold. Silver has more use. Silver is the best conductor of electricity. For the filth year in a row silver supply can't keep up with demand. You're both wrong

  • @dustinbowers8688
    @dustinbowers8688 Před měsícem +34

    How did no one bring up the fact that GOLD went from $1,750+/- in 2012 down to $1,000+/- in 2015? Gold is also a volatile asset also.

    • @anotherperspective5682
      @anotherperspective5682 Před měsícem +4

      It's true, it's just the difference in volatility is vastly different. Gold had a traditional technical correction after a 600% run between 2001 and 2011. Losing less then 50% after a 600% gain is actually really impressive, I mean for a precious metals.

    • @Re-Loadz
      @Re-Loadz Před měsícem +2

      nailed it.

    • @KingKong-li2lg
      @KingKong-li2lg Před měsícem +4

      Central Banks had to beat it down so they could LOAD THE F UP!

    • @jobuhayes8767
      @jobuhayes8767 Před měsícem +1

      What happens to the value of bitcoin if computer people create several other digital currencies with a finite number of units?

    • @smirking8457
      @smirking8457 Před měsícem

      @@jobuhayes8767Nothing - because BTC is network dependent - as all value structures are

  • @alicegomez7232
    @alicegomez7232 Před měsícem +1012

    Given the approval of several Bitcoin ETFs, I'm cautious about FOMO and the potential of a tulip mania scenario. What are the most effective strategies to invest $500k in crypto for maximizing profits in the next 9 months?

    • @lucasanderson8993
      @lucasanderson8993 Před měsícem +1

      Profits hinge on capital; it's recommended to engage with a genuine market strategist to prevent errors and sustain consistent gains.

    • @tommychestnut5335
      @tommychestnut5335 Před měsícem +1

      True. This is why I work with an investment advlsor. I currently have $690k in a well-diversified portfollo that has experienced exponential growth and is well-matched for every season of the market. We are now working on a more figures for this year.

    • @wellsHannahh
      @wellsHannahh Před měsícem

      May I know the name of the advsor who has been assisting you, please?

    • @tommychestnut5335
      @tommychestnut5335 Před měsícem

      Heather Lee Larioni… that’s my advisor’s name. Thank me later.

    • @wellsHannahh
      @wellsHannahh Před měsícem

      Thank you for this amazing tip. I just looked the name up, wrote her explaining my financial market goals and scheduled a call

  • @gladysgoss4302
    @gladysgoss4302 Před 3 dny

    The problem for the 35 year old couple isn't houses are more expensive. The problem is, they want to start out with a 5000 sqft house. My parents bought a 1000ft three bedroom house in 1960 and added two more bedrooms as the family grew. Today's 35 year old wants to start out with a 5 bedroom house with a two car garage in an upscale development with a high HOA payment. People need to buy what is sensible vs buying what the bank tells them they can qualify for and trying to live a lifestyle they aren't ready for financially.

  • @fishrrelaxing9361
    @fishrrelaxing9361 Před 17 dny +1

    I pray for this to happen in my lifetime so that I can help my family and friends through it.. my greatest fear is at some point that time will eventually come and by then we won’t have the populous that has the basic skills and knowledge to get through those times.. I’m ready and been preparing for this for 2 decades now.. let’s rip the fn bandaid off now while the people with the solutions to fix it are still here

  • @EdwarMelson23
    @EdwarMelson23 Před měsícem +331

    The official swaps in By-bit has lagged!!!
    I just put up vid to show this
    When you swap it gives you almost x 8//

  • @AndreiJikh
    @AndreiJikh Před měsícem +371

    Dude this was so good - I watched every minute. I have way more questions than answers

    • @LucyDarlington
      @LucyDarlington Před měsícem

      And your channel is great too, every minute of it. That said they never mentioned about confiscability of gold as was done several times in the past.
      In essence, Bitcoin is about Property Rights. For example, during WWII the nazi government looted over $200 million in gold from the Jews (which equates approximately to over $4 Billion in 2020 currency) to finance their wars to acquire more land. Because someone (or a government) can just kill you to take your gold. But today with Bitcoin (aka “digital gold”) they can still kill you but they cannot get the bitcoin(s) as easily as gold.

    • @moneroai
      @moneroai Před měsícem +6

      Yeah I loved that finally we can get two people that disagree with each other instead of it always being one side. Wished they mentioned monero though lol.

    • @candycaneunicorn8024
      @candycaneunicorn8024 Před měsícem +5

      Oh look the guy with the annoying voice.

    • @hunterhemingway
      @hunterhemingway Před měsícem +4

      @@candycaneunicorn8024meany head. Andrei your voice is mid. Goldilocks zone. You’ll be okay ♥️

    • @jconn1111
      @jconn1111 Před měsícem +4

      Ask the question of what is real and what will feed your family.

  • @homerreagan4456
    @homerreagan4456 Před 20 dny +1

    This should be a component of EVERY PUBLIC SPEAKING CLASS in every schoolhouse in the land. Raoul (the cool and level headed, low heartbeat guy) tickled Peter's "explode switch" at so many points in this debate. This video has great value and endless NUGGETS OF KNOWLEDGE. Thank You!

  • @Gman979
    @Gman979 Před 4 dny

    The biggest issue of bitcoin is not the value or the technology behind it but the custodial and proof of ownership. The advent of quantum communication adds to the risk further. Peter Schiff is correct.

  • @ProfRogers
    @ProfRogers Před měsícem +204

    Speaking as someone who has watched financial interviews for a decade. This is one of the best interviews I have seen with 2 of the greatest financial minds and a great host.

    • @tramac
      @tramac Před měsícem

      Lol. How can you say that. This Peter guy is a complete idiot. Lack of intelligence.

    • @galeru
      @galeru Před měsícem +16

      I don't know man. This peter schiff guy is a clown. There are way better arguments against bitcoin if you go through the letters sent to SEC to object the ETF approval. Things like how it's centralized in terms of miners, threat of quantum computing etc. Entertaining to watch tho.

    • @johnnygringo2239
      @johnnygringo2239 Před měsícem +14

      schiff doesn't have a clue what he is talking about.

    • @av-tv.
      @av-tv. Před měsícem

      i agree, superb interview.

    • @jaimeaguirre4424
      @jaimeaguirre4424 Před měsícem +6

      a decade of experience and this is one of the best interviews... BRUH... Peter is a joke.

  • @isiglz
    @isiglz Před měsícem +231

    After this interview I really respect Raoul. His form of Conversing and questioning ideas is on a whole other level

  • @Jeannette-ei9xd
    @Jeannette-ei9xd Před 10 dny +2

    QUESTION⁉️ What happens if the grid goes down to Crypto or Bitcoin ⁉️

    • @Gman979
      @Gman979 Před 4 dny +1

      Yes especially when Washington and Congress threaten to cut off Internet of China and Russia. Reason why China banned bitcoin.

  • @leonamambrosio2140
    @leonamambrosio2140 Před 3 dny

    For the discussion 1:13min there is a city in Brazil called Rolante which may the city with more merchants already accepting Bitcoin. More then 200 stores where you can already use Bitcoin from your digital wallet. So, how about if other cities adopt the same policy? Is that plausible?

  • @orlandomalo6191
    @orlandomalo6191 Před měsícem +259

    One of the greatest link ups we didn’t know we needed

    • @-whackd
      @-whackd Před měsícem +1

      No it isn't. Peter Schiff is mentally ill. He has been on record saying Bitcoin will go to zero every year for the past dozen years. If you listen to this fool, your brain is broken.

    • @ariesbull
      @ariesbull Před měsícem +3

      💯 agree… enjoyed every minute!

    • @SilverStoll
      @SilverStoll Před měsícem +2

      Both made excellent points

    • @michaelholmes8848
      @michaelholmes8848 Před měsícem

      Who’s we?

    • @GroovyNomad
      @GroovyNomad Před měsícem

      the viewers @@michaelholmes8848

  • @egeneraltnf
    @egeneraltnf Před měsícem +66

    OH THIS WAS SO GOOD! Can we get a part two at the end of the year?

    • @extraclip
      @extraclip Před měsícem +4

      Peter: bitcoin is shit, buy my nft 😂

  • @majeretime86
    @majeretime86 Před 4 dny

    Peter isn’t looking at the possibility of gold fading away. In this day and age we have material sciences that could have a breakthrough that makes gold irrelevant. Even jewelry could be made with a carbon nanotube or something even better with digital properties to make jewelry “smarter”. I’d like to ask him, if a technique to make gold out of air tomorrow, would you still feel like gold was valuable?

  • @sokaiya1
    @sokaiya1 Před 5 dny +1

    When we started with Bitcoin, the premise was to keep it outside of the hands of the bankers. Today, the bankers are in control of it and own a large majority and control the on and exit ramps.

  • @stuartflaugher8350
    @stuartflaugher8350 Před 3 dny +1

    And what happens when there's no Bitcoin to mind and what happens to all the miners and the secure network?

  • @dwaynesview
    @dwaynesview Před měsícem +68

    Peter is fighting for his company and the gold industry as a whole. He’s clearly threatened by Bitcoin because it’s a new store of value. It’s the preferred hedge for young people.

    • @RandyMarshUSA
      @RandyMarshUSA Před měsícem +2

      100%

    • @EroticOnion23
      @EroticOnion23 Před měsícem +8

      21 million x 0 = 0

    • @kwolitek4785
      @kwolitek4785 Před měsícem

      Yeah that's why he got laughed at on TV for years warning you about the housing collapse, to sell gold🙄 And after that huge transfer of wealth, the elites came up with an even better scam... sell these idiots imaginary nfts and cryptos🤣

    • @neildeakin4454
      @neildeakin4454 Před měsícem +5

      None of the central banks are buying Bitcoin. What are they buying?

    • @beaglethecutestdoglula6716
      @beaglethecutestdoglula6716 Před měsícem

      Thats the point. Who cares about we are moving to a new paradigm of money where we don't need central banks.

  • @michaelchin3550
    @michaelchin3550 Před měsícem +91

    Both Peter and Raoul are very smart dudes. Excellent video. I really appreciate both viewpoints.

    • @Weldeborn
      @Weldeborn Před měsícem

      Totally agree. I have a little bit of both gold, silver and bitcoin.
      I would love to see Bitcoin succeed, but it still has some way to go. Needs to be more stable to be able to use it really

    • @aries6776
      @aries6776 Před měsícem +5

      Raoul is smart.... the other guy is just a dinosaur that will be extinct soon.

    • @michaelchin3550
      @michaelchin3550 Před měsícem +3

      @@aries6776 I guess you did not listen to the whole debate. Buy a beer with Bitcoin. LOL

    • @MoisesDelJesus
      @MoisesDelJesus Před měsícem

      @@michaelchin3550 No, Neon. what i'm telling you is that one day, you won't have too

    • @aries6776
      @aries6776 Před měsícem

      @@michaelchin3550 lol I couldn't listen to any more of his anti-bitcoin BS and switched off. EDIT: Yes QE is evil, was that the underlying point? We've known this for 2 thousand years! So many civilizations have run into this issue. They devalue their currency and their empires collapse. Which is why bitcoin is the solution. He's still arguing for gold vs bitcoin right up to the end! He's just a dinosaur who will be poorer than someone who moved their same capital from gold to bitcoin.

  • @DhrTomasz
    @DhrTomasz Před 19 dny

    Fantastic debate! I've learned so much!

  • @ElizabethEleanor-kx3lt

    In one month Bitcoin fell from 60k to 30k in May 2021. Then it took 6 months to rise again from 30k to 69k. Remember that?

  • @J-Rod73
    @J-Rod73 Před měsícem +104

    Possibly the BEST Bitcoin debate I've seen. Both sides of the argument are super legit. 🔥🔥🔥

    • @donkeybus
      @donkeybus Před měsícem

      Schiff has a tremendous blind spot for what makes things stores of value, and it's because his livelihood depends on that blind spot. strange to watch as he is a smart guy otherwise.

    • @mattmcginley7
      @mattmcginley7 Před měsícem

      Peter is a fucking idiot who demonstrates over and over again he has no idea how digital properties have real value

    • @zachbeall6810
      @zachbeall6810 Před měsícem +21

      The basis of Peter's argument is "the reason gold has value and Bitcoin has none is gold has practical, real world uses/demand outside of just being money". considering gold's non monetary uses constitute a tiny fraction of its monetary use, I think that argument is bs.

    • @J-Rod73
      @J-Rod73 Před měsícem +7

      @@zachbeall6810 I agree. All I know is that crypto has been and continues to be the fastest horse. I just hate that once we all make our gains, the majority of us are going to sell our crypto back into the fiat system we are trying to escape. 🥴

    • @chuckdawit
      @chuckdawit Před měsícem

      But see that's why you're wrong, because gold has a large use case outside of money. There's a large percentage of goods we produce today that cannot be created without gold. Gold being used as money is a small percentage of use today, so your assumption is actually the opposite of the truth.@@zachbeall6810

  • @cryptozeno
    @cryptozeno Před měsícem +77

    Gosh, you learn more about money management and wealth by listening to Tom, Raoul and Peter than 5 years in the university.
    We need more of this healthy debates.

    • @DanteSlappedyouwithfacts
      @DanteSlappedyouwithfacts Před 27 dny +4

      Peter was right,gold hit a alltime high

    • @dongshengdi773
      @dongshengdi773 Před 26 dny +3

      ​@@DanteSlappedyouwithfacts USD dollar is also in all time high.
      Tesla , Apple, Google, Nvidia, Microsoft, all in All time High.
      And Bitcoin is also in all time high and Bitcoin is the fastest horse in the race

    • @backcountyrpilot
      @backcountyrpilot Před 12 dny

      @@dongshengdi773The value of the Dollar relative to gold, Bitcoin, real estate, stocks, commodities shrinks over time because there is almost no restraint on inflating the supply.

  • @homerreagan4456
    @homerreagan4456 Před 20 dny

    What to your guest see as the observations and plans of those who wish us harm amongst this backdrop??? I wonder about the other dimensions of this issue.

  • @rodneymyers6728
    @rodneymyers6728 Před 4 dny

    Really great debate. Enjoyed the debate format and the mutual respect both sides showed one another while making sure to get their voice heard! Thank you very much.

  • @HomeSlize
    @HomeSlize Před měsícem +27

    I watched this debate twice. Great to see experts like Schiff & Pal debate about Bitcoin, the current state of the economy, history & the future. I also appreciated Tom’s moderation, definitely kept the debate on focused, and also appreciated his thoughts.

  • @Lexman00
    @Lexman00 Před měsícem +102

    Thank you for making this debate possible. Hopefully we can get a Peter Schiff vs Michael Saylor debate soon.

    • @brettrevelle8788
      @brettrevelle8788 Před měsícem +1

      I've thought about this debate for a while. Would love to see this.

    • @-whackd
      @-whackd Před měsícem +6

      You need Peter Schiff to say that Bitcoin is going to zero for 10 more years? What exactly about Schiffs argument changes?

    • @williamkreth
      @williamkreth Před měsícem

      That would be amazing but I feel that would probably butt heada really badly

    • @Jacobcurman
      @Jacobcurman Před měsícem +7

      Micheal Saylor is too knowledged to waste time on Peter Schiff

    • @iBuyBitcoin
      @iBuyBitcoin Před měsícem +6

      Saylor would OBLITERATE Schiff like nothing

  • @kaiserwaldon
    @kaiserwaldon Před 15 dny

    A refreshing highly valuable debate for us to form our own ideas, we need to see more opposing long form across all topics.

  • @kinglewy5772
    @kinglewy5772 Před 13 dny

    The only question in the Bitcoin vs Gold debate is can Bitcoin drop below $999 in an extended 2 year recession? I like both asset, but I worry about Bitcoin in an extended recession

  • @marlifalize3191
    @marlifalize3191 Před měsícem +197

    Tom, it was really nice to hear you moderate this conversation so well. It was really respectfull.

    • @Huntress101
      @Huntress101 Před měsícem +5

      Tom you did great! That was not easy!

    • @joycehaines2055
      @joycehaines2055 Před měsícem

      It easy to get the temperature out of control, you did a great job. I bought gold at the bank, tried to save but 1dollar gold from the bank is same as 1 paper and people trade it straight across so in long run I was not able to save it. Tokens are easier not to spend. It’s still an invisible asset. One carton of eggs is worth one jar of pickles an a small jar of jelly. So value is what that the other person can use in their life to sustain it.

    • @phil1297
      @phil1297 Před měsícem +2

      Tom - you moderated expertly. This was a great meeting of the minds. Great show. One of your best.

    • @exxonrcg
      @exxonrcg Před měsícem +2

      yup. Enjoyed the discussions and appreciate you ocassionally stepping in to get back on track

    • @jb9433
      @jb9433 Před měsícem

      How can he moderate it well if he is in one of the camps???

  • @davehenning7747
    @davehenning7747 Před měsícem +83

    I can't wait to watch this in about 3-4 years. Tom, thank you for this. This is beautiful.

    • @cyberft
      @cyberft Před měsícem +12

      Both of these guys were making these arguments 3 - 4 years ago. Peter Schiff is a clown, and what he’s selling is an antidote to fomo. No one that invest in his funds makes money but hey, you get to feel good.

    • @rjwassenaar7511
      @rjwassenaar7511 Před měsícem +6

      And then what? If BTC is 2 or 3 million in 4 years, Schiff will still be able to say it "will go to zero, because it has no intrinsic value", and Pal could be saying BTC will bounce right back if BTC is around 5000 by that time. But what is obvious is that although there are extreme fluctuations, the lows are getting higher with each run. So, watching it again in 4 years will most likely be a disappointment, because it will give NO clear answer to who was right. But my money is on BTC.

    • @spacewalktraveller1
      @spacewalktraveller1 Před měsícem

      This is the first time I've heard them in about 4yrs, and they are saying exactly the same crap. They both have been saying this crap since the GFC 2008, and they both missed the biggest bull market in history. They have no idea what they are saying.

    • @rjwassenaar7511
      @rjwassenaar7511 Před měsícem +3

      @@spacewalktraveller1 So, what is your story in a nutshell then that is completely different from both Peter and Raoul?? Seriously, I am very curious to hear a different, and better, perspective. And to give you start, i would like to point out that I am sure Raoul has seen an extreme growth of his wealth, since he has been in crypto since (I believe) 2012 or 2014. And that means he probably did much better than just being in stocks. By the way, Raoul could impossibly have been saying "exactly the same crap" since the GFC 2008, because nobody ever heard of cryptos in 2008 or 2009.

    • @MrManny075
      @MrManny075 Před měsícem

      Are you sure about that? How sure are you, that you will be around in 3 to 4 years? Go back to the real world, you only have this moment, tomorrow is a mystery

  • @Jay-xq1dc
    @Jay-xq1dc Před 8 dny

    We need more debates like this, when people on "both sides" challenge each other beliefs we really get a better understanding. Great episode @Tom

  • @austinhayes5789
    @austinhayes5789 Před 15 dny

    If you can't hold gold in your hand, you don't truly own it. The man made it clear that owning paper is not the same as owning gold. So, what exactly is a gold stock? It's simply paper representing a promise of gold ownership.

  • @daniellovecchio6235
    @daniellovecchio6235 Před měsícem +61

    "The internet is just a fad." - Newsweek Magazine (1995)
    "The internet may be just a passing fad." - Daily Mail (2000)

    • @ousamaabdu794
      @ousamaabdu794 Před měsícem +3

      To be fair.. Very very few people or publications said the Internet would be a fad..

    • @cman5461
      @cman5461 Před měsícem +3

      lol "Daily Mail". Please don't tell me you are comparing something with infinite value(internet) to Bitcoin?

    • @clarkg5946
      @clarkg5946 Před měsícem +6

      I'm sure many said tulips were just a fad too.

    • @Donkor640
      @Donkor640 Před měsícem

      @@cman5461I believe Crypto has infinite value, but it’s tied to the internet making it impossible to really contrast the two. Just like internet use cases weren’t clearly understood 25 years ago, crypto uses are in their infancy.

    • @davehooper6481
      @davehooper6481 Před měsícem +4

      The Internet turned out to be very useful, which bitcoin is not, and it got faster, which bitcoin certainly could never do

  • @mikezamos
    @mikezamos Před měsícem +211

    Very professional of Schiff to have an ad on his background..

    • @ThinkingCrypto
      @ThinkingCrypto Před měsícem +36

      lol, shows how desperate he is

    • @dre44r56
      @dre44r56 Před měsícem +25

      Super desperate as his business is failing and calls everyone crazy morons because they believe in a modern version of Gold that outshines its primitive roots. Hope to never hear Peter's bullshit again.

    • @TheTerrypcurtin
      @TheTerrypcurtin Před měsícem +6

      ANNOYING

    • @whiteglove5723
      @whiteglove5723 Před měsícem +7

      ETF of gold vs Bitcoin is not even comparison… Bitcoin will eat gold!

    • @immigrantsagainstimmigrati2557
      @immigrantsagainstimmigrati2557 Před měsícem +16

      Who cares! Nobody isn’t forcing you to buy anything!
      Everyone has right to sell and advertise for something!!

  • @Blezster
    @Blezster Před 18 dny

    Could you talk a little bit bit more about the wave four? Loving your videos! Thank you.

  • @KreamyKone
    @KreamyKone Před měsícem +11

    I don't need wealth, I'm happy with good shelter and food to share with family.

  • @hajaminola
    @hajaminola Před měsícem +11

    Sounds like Mr. Schiff is a little bitter that he MISSED THE BOAT in 2010. Pump it to $150k by end of 2024. I "gambled" my student loans in 2011 to buy $5500. Paid my student loans in FULL plus interest when I graduated in 2015. Left the USA for good right after college to retire overseas. God Bless Satoshi. Satoshi changed the course of my life.

  • @coolskool1.061
    @coolskool1.061 Před 20 dny

    Question, Why are they comparing Gold with Bitcoin? Gold is or was the old standard of Currency(people gave this value since ancient times)… not applicable for modern times (unless we go Apocalyptic over night) , it is more a commodity .Bitcoin or Others such like is the future currency & asset (all in one ) they are not the same and are different functionally … we are still determining what more it could become as well , so definitely not comparable in my opinion.

  • @SeventhChimera
    @SeventhChimera Před 4 dny

    Schiff makes the most sense here. If the global markets denominate value in the US dollar, the most dominant and accepted currency and that currency is inflationary and is losing value
    And all stablecoins are denominated in the US dollar-- and bitcoin is backed by stablecoins, all of which are denominated in the dollar.
    If the dollar fails, stablecoins fail.
    If stablecoins fail, bitcoin loses backing.
    Gold was valued before the world valued the US dollar.
    Can Bitcoin be backed by other hard assets, like gold?

  • @stephaniemosher8611
    @stephaniemosher8611 Před měsícem +90

    Tom, I really appreciate how you interject to keep the conversation in line, summarize their statements so it’s understandable and provide support to the discussion.

    • @stephaniemosher8611
      @stephaniemosher8611 Před měsícem +2

      “Trying to be understood, not convincing”
      I’m using that. Wow. That is going to help my relationships so much in all kinds of conversations

  • @NateSecor
    @NateSecor Před měsícem +29

    Raoul, you're forgetting that Peter has called 14 of the last 3 bitcoin crashes.

    • @bestprice1776
      @bestprice1776 Před měsícem +7

      I think Peter might have predicted even more Bitcoin crashes than 14..... Doesn't matter I still buy every dip

    • @commentz-1
      @commentz-1 Před 5 dny +1

      😂🤣😂🤣

  • @saik9980
    @saik9980 Před 3 dny

    This is a good Paradigm...old assets and new assets...This is how debates should be... good one

  • @BreathingInDM
    @BreathingInDM Před 2 dny

    Mate, seeing you first time... But this kind of confrontation is so f..cking awesome! You are staying aside... Letting them speak using arguments. Great stuff... All the best bro... Subbed.

  • @mrandmrssmithofficial
    @mrandmrssmithofficial Před měsícem +68

    ONLY TIME WILL TELL. THIS VIDEO WILL BE WATCHED FOR MANY YEARS TO COME. Well done Tom!!!

    • @Donkor640
      @Donkor640 Před měsícem +1

      Hindsight is 20/20… Unfortunately we can’t invest in hindsight, so we have to research and make the best decision based on the information available today.

    • @griftinggamer
      @griftinggamer Před 18 dny

      ​@Donkor640
      I was in bitcoin at $8 when I was a teenager playing video games and some dude told me about it and all I could do with it was buy drugs on silk road. While I kick myself every day for selling way prematurely, instead of realizing how many suckered there would be, I definitely agree with Peter's side.
      Bitcoin has no more intensic value than fiat currency. It makes no sense. It's like the great Tulip speculation. It's based on "muh technology" and "you boomers wouldn't understand". I was a 20 year old bitcoin (almost) millionaire and today I have gold, silver, guns, ammo, and real estate...Bitcoin never added up, I'm still skeptical that it's some globalist banker psyop tbh.
      Today it feels like people are reeled into it as a pump n dump dreaming of the massive upside people like me had...well...I think that's over. Any nominal rise in bitcoin will be due to pure speculation and inflation of the underlying fiat currencies used to purchase it.

    • @Donkor640
      @Donkor640 Před 17 dny

      @@griftinggamer That’s an amazing story to have $8 BTC! I wouldn’t beat yourself up about selling it though, because nobody expected it to be this huge in such a relatively short period. Even Raul has a story of selling off a bunch of his Bitcoin after making huge gains on his early investment.
      I think the problem people have with taking cryptocurrencies seriously is that it’s human nature to cling to the way we’ve done things in the past. There’s a level of certainty in the status quo, and there’s its uncomfortable to branch out into something new. But once you explore the Crypto space and realize how many innovative projects are being developed, you really get the sense that this space will be a large part of the global economy. I’m convinced that anyone who doesn’t understand that part of the puzzle just hasn’t done any research in this space.
      I’m almost 50 and the overarching narrative of my lifetime (thus far), is that if you can’t keep up with emerging technologies then you’re going to be stuck in the slow lane doing things the hard way.

  • @charleekimball6551
    @charleekimball6551 Před měsícem +33

    I have listened to both of these guys often, and have learned a lot from both. Great debate. So impressed with your skills, Tom, in keeping this debate engaging. Raoul was very respectful.

    • @AstralProbes
      @AstralProbes Před měsícem +3

      more like douchey 🙂

    • @chumamakasi6682
      @chumamakasi6682 Před měsícem +2

      I learnt quite a bit listening to both sides, good one.

  • @jaijames1131
    @jaijames1131 Před dnem

    19:04 Complete novice here, but I think Peter made Raoul’s point here because he is saying to invest in real assets. Whereas, Raoul is saying people don’t have the resources to purchase those real assets which will eventually become that store of value.

  • @vickihepper9473
    @vickihepper9473 Před 3 hodinami

    I believe you will both be right. We will have the opportunity to own gold backed crypto, silver backed crypto, copper backed crypto, etc.

  • @kenrebro2746
    @kenrebro2746 Před 28 dny +67

    Two gentlemen debating the way a debate should be. Add to that a moderator who moderated as it should be done.

    • @phinyx
      @phinyx Před 23 dny +1

      Yet...Schiff is most definitely interrupting Pal much more Pal interrupting Schiff...so who is the gentleman here?

    • @crvermeer2808
      @crvermeer2808 Před 18 dny

      Not rrally. Peter is explaining his view. The other is just asking manipulatieve questions.

  • @nopemerry7410
    @nopemerry7410 Před měsícem +36

    We have already had tokenized gold, it used to be fiat money

    • @nick-oi1xf
      @nick-oi1xf Před měsícem +3

      Yep, and it failed

    • @bar8665
      @bar8665 Před měsícem +5

      It went from money to currency. Difference.

    • @bar8665
      @bar8665 Před měsícem +10

      ​@nick-oi1xf the money didn't fail lol the politicians did.

    • @Semi_Successful
      @Semi_Successful Před měsícem +5

      That's why they took it off the Gold Standard. And then it turned into a fiat currency.

    • @bestprice1776
      @bestprice1776 Před měsícem

      Government can't be trusted with money. Bitcoin can't be controlled by any government and therefore is the perfect money.

  • @stephaniewhite7477
    @stephaniewhite7477 Před 19 dny +1

    Wow what a powerful program! ❤

  • @bartnelder4695
    @bartnelder4695 Před 17 dny

    Thanks for these insights

  • @name6114
    @name6114 Před měsícem +97

    Peter is the perfect example of the horse carriage salesman, not understanding the true business that he’s in. He’s right about so many things, and yet bitcoin was invented as a solution to all of his complaints and yet he doesn’t see it. Instead of understanding that he’s in the inflation hedging business and not the gold business, he’s missed out on the biggest opportunity the world has ever seen. He still either fundamentally doesn’t understand a bitcoin or more likely he just sees what a threat bitcoin is to his gold business and is he’s lashing out.
    He’ll be ranting about what a poor investment bitcoin is as it passes $1 million in value.

    • @scartissuefilms
      @scartissuefilms Před měsícem +11

      Yeah, I think he just picked his side and now has trapped himself on the losing team. It doesn't make much difference to him, he's not going to short either way.

    • @rageburst
      @rageburst Před měsícem +13

      Peter can't seem to understand that utilitarian value is not intrinsic value. Money is essentially a ledger and bitcoin is the king of ledger. We dont want to make it do other stuff than what it does now. Its current use case is to become legal tender for all the fringe countries until Gresham's law makes it the apex money.

    • @oli23511
      @oli23511 Před měsícem

      😂😂😂

    • @GunfightersINC
      @GunfightersINC Před měsícem

      perfectly said.

    • @mefisto05s.20
      @mefisto05s.20 Před měsícem +1

      No, he is absolutely right

  • @Dannyshouseofcards
    @Dannyshouseofcards Před měsícem +114

    Time limits are needed as Peter will simply continue to ramble on endlessly.

    • @dubTuube
      @dubTuube Před měsícem +11

      The fewer opportunities for anyone, almost anyone, to respond with facts is very limited if he just continues droning on and on

    • @TheErickAmezcua
      @TheErickAmezcua Před měsícem +8

      Yes. Annoying.

    • @sarlaz3407
      @sarlaz3407 Před měsícem +3

      I enjoyed every moment of the whole argument. Great content.

    • @bobjames6622
      @bobjames6622 Před měsícem

      @@sarlaz3407 You need to get out more.

    • @poleonpoleon706
      @poleonpoleon706 Před měsícem

      Well it's because Tom keeps summarising his thoughts in a wrong way and he has to reiterate that he isn't against digital assets but says that bitcoin doesn't provide tangible value. That's why he has to keep saying the same thing

  • @brigitta2891
    @brigitta2891 Před 13 hodinami

    Good to Listen to Opposite points of view.

  • @de_Atavist
    @de_Atavist Před 7 hodinami

    It would seem that there is a silent fear by the old guard, that much like the transitioning of value in things like sea shells and salt to gold, we may be seeing the same with gold and the blockchain...Money after all, is a human construct and tool for progress....The digital age demands a new form of money!

  • @jacksonthomas3775
    @jacksonthomas3775 Před měsícem +72

    Peters argument, I prefer receiving my letters in the mail, I can hold it and prove I have it.

    • @T.DeCervantez
      @T.DeCervantez Před měsícem +3

      😂

    • @bahmak2003
      @bahmak2003 Před měsícem +3

      Why can’t you prove email? Bitcoin uses cryptographic proof of ownership!😂😂😂😂

    • @lestermcpherson2487
      @lestermcpherson2487 Před měsícem +5

      This answer.........Legend.

    • @daveandpaige6471
      @daveandpaige6471 Před měsícem +7

      Just look at what's happening. If electric and Internet go down you will see people jumping off. This is their playbook.

    • @culluc43
      @culluc43 Před měsícem +5

      How about trusting the election process?
      What would you trust more, paper ballot or some kind of a internet election on the blockchain?

  • @seanarmstrong8497
    @seanarmstrong8497 Před měsícem +75

    All great guys. Raoul is a gentleman, doesn't cut people off and wants open discussion for learning. Schiff is in the discussion to win it. Just what I'm noticing. And to be fair, he is super successful obviously so is use to forcing his view to get the success he wants. Just different communication styles. All great people with great input. Thanks to all. I love to see both view points. Both have value.

    • @AndrewClarkePhotography
      @AndrewClarkePhotography Před měsícem +5

      How many times did he talk over shiff

    • @annabelquintero1651
      @annabelquintero1651 Před měsícem +2

      I think Paul was insulting but I don’t think he is self aware, and that Raoul & Tom were gracious with him knowing thats his style.

    • @-whackd
      @-whackd Před měsícem +1

      Schiff is not super successful. He would be super successful if he wasn't saying Bitcoin is going to zero for the past 10 years. He has literally made the worst investment call in history.

    • @neildeakin4454
      @neildeakin4454 Před měsícem +3

      "Schiff is in the discussion to win it"
      I don't think he was but he still did, again..

    • @jackcrook4435
      @jackcrook4435 Před měsícem

      @@neildeakin4454 Ah, I see you missed the point of the comment here.

  • @sharkslideterasasharkslide3362

    what a talk, you are all 3 brilliant!!! But it is understandable that something that is not ordinary its hard to accept that is really wow as technology, because of everything you learned over your period of life, that's why nobody is writing a books about that people that goes with the flow. I have read 1000s of books, almost every book about the blockchain technology, history,economics and I was the person against blockchain technology and I took time to accept it openly. And I strongly support the idea that the best case scenario is, "but what if?" so I give all credits to Raoul, smart people understand fundamentals of investments they do. Thank you for such valuable Debate Tom

  • @huwhitecavebeast1972
    @huwhitecavebeast1972 Před 9 dny +1

    Gold will shine in a disastrous situation, like hyper inflation or ww3. If something like that happens, bitcoin will lose some of its luster, but I bet people will still use it to flee countries. A lot of it will be location dependent, like if you are fleeing to Asia you will want to bring some gold with you. Much better than bitcoin on that continent.

  • @mattp_743
    @mattp_743 Před měsícem +93

    You can tell a lot about people who listen compared to those who interrupt. Ral is an unreal listener. And genuinely respects others perspectives (why wouldn’t he, everyone is entitled to their reality). Ral has an amazing humility and his incredibly adaptive mindset is why he is such an unreal mentor for those who dare listen, and stay humble. Thanks Ral.

    • @dapsolita
      @dapsolita Před měsícem +3

      I agree whole-heartedly 😊

    • @mdevvvo
      @mdevvvo Před měsícem +3

      he sounds like a sarcastic prick at 1:30:47 to me

    • @prouse376
      @prouse376 Před měsícem

      Because Peter is talking nonsense. He's like the people that said the internet was a fad and had no real use.

    • @mdevvvo
      @mdevvvo Před měsícem

      saying you like to invest in companies that pay a dividend and have earning is nonsense?
      also, that is such a strawman, who was saying the internet was a fad with no use? like 2-3 90 year old senators? that was never a prevailing sentiment
      @@prouse376

    • @mdevvvo
      @mdevvvo Před měsícem

      saying he likes dividend stocks and companies with earnings is nonsense?
      Maybe 1-2 90 year old senators said the internet was a fad with no real use. thats a total strawman. that was never the prevailing sentiment
      @@prouse376

  • @danieldayton7814
    @danieldayton7814 Před měsícem +68

    This was a good discussion and both made their cases. I actually felt enlightened. This is how the world should work and how we learn! Thank you!

    • @crochetninja5752
      @crochetninja5752 Před měsícem +1

      Agree!

    • @Fearzero
      @Fearzero Před měsícem +1

      Peter demonstrates he knows nothing about bitcoin and Raol doesn't know the selling points of it.

    • @chriseden9907
      @chriseden9907 Před měsícem

      Sell it then.

  • @Mattyg08
    @Mattyg08 Před 16 dny

    Amazing conversation, interesting points from both sides. Brilliant interviewer

  • @ViSalusMiracle
    @ViSalusMiracle Před 11 dny

    This man did not hear much that Raoul said about bitcoin.
    He seems oblivious to what bitcoin is and has made up
    his mind to stay that way.
    I did not know gold scarcity is also caused by the hoarding
    of 90% of it. Unbelievable!

  • @johnfajer7691
    @johnfajer7691 Před měsícem +34

    Spoiler alert: They're both going to give returns in an inflationary financial system. Great debate. I love Raul and Peter. Both have greatly expanded my understanding of finance, wealth, and currency.

    • @user-ye4ek7gq5c
      @user-ye4ek7gq5c Před měsícem

      Peter is an effing idiot. There is enough proof for me from his political blabbery that he either doesnt see and doesnt want to see things correctly in the outside world or is just a corrupt shill for someone else’s interests

    • @michaelmarino3144
      @michaelmarino3144 Před měsícem +4

      Crazy to see a debate where both agree on the problem but see two dramatically opposed solutions.

    • @davidzawistowski4073
      @davidzawistowski4073 Před měsícem +4

      Bitcoin is a scam. It’s something that can be duplicated in every aspect. The amount of energy pushing bitcoin is the red flag.

    • @africaninvestor7032
      @africaninvestor7032 Před měsícem

      @@davidzawistowski4073explain

    • @bookofbrah
      @bookofbrah Před měsícem

      @@davidzawistowski4073It can't be duplicated in every aspect, sorry but you really didn't understood it.

  • @AnonDa
    @AnonDa Před měsícem +28

    Peter is demanding BTCs success is measured by it being used as a medium of exchange and unit of account.... when gold isn't used as such either

    • @GloriousReign
      @GloriousReign Před měsícem +5

      Facts 💯

    • @Semi_Successful
      @Semi_Successful Před měsícem +5

      And that's the issue with currencies today.

    • @joshholm1000
      @joshholm1000 Před měsícem +3

      Good point.

    • @Elmgren76
      @Elmgren76 Před měsícem +3

      It was used for thousands of years until Nixon took the dollar off the gold standard in 1971.

    • @isaacpound5881
      @isaacpound5881 Před měsícem

      Sure put it back onto gold standard. But you still have centralized entities and trust issues then ​@@Elmgren76

  • @anndrake492
    @anndrake492 Před 13 dny +1

    get rid of zoning laws which stop a person from building their own house! its a supply and demand thing with the government creating the shortage via restrictive zoning.

  • @xJerzZx
    @xJerzZx Před 21 dnem

    Such a good debate. I normally dont watch anything that has to do with market debates because nothing is ever certain. Too much speculations but both men did a great job debating their point of view. Host was great as well. New fan of the channel.

  • @leighannhunt1970
    @leighannhunt1970 Před měsícem +64

    I just love Raoul…. He’s so intelligent interesting and his demeanor not to mention his patience plus how he conducts himself is just a class act!💕💕

    • @4Asti
      @4Asti Před měsícem +2

      That class is everything now a days - his ability to play with thought instead of ridge stance

    • @metalgirl
      @metalgirl Před měsícem

      Agree

    • @jochennel
      @jochennel Před měsícem +2

      Unbelievable how perceptions of exactly the same can differ so much. I would rank R. as the person who showed the least amount of intelligence and patience in this interview. But his background and looks are the best here. So superficially, I see him as the winner in this interview. And he is most brave/mad/confused, bcos these things are very hard to differentiate between. But not important if you jus want to have a look at him.

    • @austinsmith1816
      @austinsmith1816 Před měsícem

      ​@@jochennel how did you arrive to that conclusion?

    • @USGrant21st
      @USGrant21st Před 28 dny

      LOL. Intelligent is the last thing you would say about him. 😁