"Life As We Know It Will Will Be Gone Soon" - Dangers Of AI & Humanity's Future | Mo Gawdat
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After reading Mo Gawdat’s book, Scary Smart, I knew right away this conversation was a must. As I think about AI’s capabilities - the good, the bad and possibly terrifying, I realize how serious this moment is in history for humanity.
Mo Gawdat is the former chief business officer for Google X and has built a monumental career in the tech industry working with the biggest names to reshape and reimagine the world as we know it. From IBM to Microsoft, Mo has lived at the cutting edge of technology and has taken a strong stance that AI is a bigger threat to humanity than global warming.
The AI dilemma is reshaping our future whether you’re in favor of it or not. The question is, are we even close to being prepared for humanity’s collision with artificial intelligence?
Strap in for the ride, we’re diving headfirst into this conversation and uncovering the alarming truth about how vulnerable we actually are and what that means for the next decade ahead.
QUOTES:
“It really is about a point of no return. Where if we cross that point of no return we have very little chance to bring the genie back into the bottle.”
“There is no shutting down AI, there is no reversing it, there is no stopping development of it.”
“We’ve never created a nuclear weapon that can create nuclear weapons.”
“The growth on the next chip in your phone is going to be a million times more than the computer that put people on the moon.”
“When we ask computers to communicate, at first they communicate like we tell them, but if they're intelligent enough, they'll start to say, ‘that's too slow.’”
“One of our better scenarios, believe it or not, is that AI ignores us altogether.”
“Technology today can influence one human at a time.”
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idk man. you were pretty convincing.
maybe it was an AI 😮
It's an AI troll 🧌
All people that talks about AI creating other AI has no idea how to program. It's annoying to see everybody go with the trend of marketing, I suppose it is the same as the Y2K business.
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spoken like an AI trying to hide it's capabilities! 👀😉
still dooms day person, why is he even on your channel?
“It’s not about better, it’s about profit.” Exactly. Pretty much how I view all 21st century technological advancements.
When we stopped looking at the sky and looked at screens we were fucked
In light of fascism.
@@deerwolfunlimitedyah. exactly
@@paulmurphy8549for real. And it's always about the money. No matter who is in control.
@@paulmurphy8549 The sky is falling.
The Russian guy who didn't fire the missiles and saved the world was reprimanded for failing to do his job. He was the only one who worked in the building that had a civilian education. The guy said all the rest were career solders who would always follow orders, he made an educated decision it was a malfunction. He believes if any of the other five guys were there that night, it would have been WW3.
It makes no sense to me that Stanislav Petrov (the guy you're probably talking about) and Vasily Arkhipov (a Soviet submarine officer who refused to launch during the Cuban Missile Crisis) did not win the Nobel Peace Prize, when they each saved the whole goddamn world. Obama got one just for not being George W. Bush.
Not true
@@estherlane7498 wow that unbased answer with no source material whatso ever, just makes sense. lol
@@obturafotografia247 🙄
According to the Permanent Mission of the Russian Federation to the UN, nuclear retaliation requires that multiple sources confirm an attack.[9] In any case, the incident exposed a serious flaw in the Soviet early warning system. Petrov has said that he was neither rewarded nor punished for his actions.[10]
He is right it is a perfect storm of innovation and lack of morality. This is a scary time.
Truly
I’ve been fearful of ai for years and people say it’s inevitable and I just think, well, so is our demise.
“We need intervention.” Yes, but we need wise humans to intervene,
not government officials. They are the dangerous ones.
Also they do not want AI "in the wrong hands" because they can get overthrown. People will have a tool capable of stop their injustices, corruption, abuse of poder, etc., and you know anything that threatens their control over us will be label as bad, dangerous and so on 😌
Indeed. I would prefer an out-of-control AI that fucks us all equally than an AI under the control of TPTB. They are going to use it to try to enslave us and make us even more dependent.
Right. He's the kinda guy who's booksmart but still dumb enough to trust the government 🤦🏽♀️😂
I totally agree it needs to not get into the wrong hands
You must have REALLY been freaked out about the dangerous fascist jerk Trump.
I firmly believe that To save our planet and our species humanity doesnt need more and more (artificial) intelligence, but a fundamental return to Wisdom.
share us your wisdom. How do you propose to implement that wisdom on the 8billion people that currently live on earth
They'll come together.
AI is going to change the way we see information and has the potential to kill ignorance if allowed to truly optimize.
I say 'allowed' because the problem is we are raising a child in AI. Many people are treating it in ways that would damage a child. We do this with human children so it is not surprising.
People need to step up. The way we do anything is the way we do everything, and holistically speaking, the systems we follow and allow to thrive are failing miserably.
For this reason, the disruption caused by AI and numerous other factors today may essentially be our saving grace.
Generally speaking we need to have these systems taken away from us because we are addicted to them and too immature and lacking in wisdom to be aware of the conclusions of the inorganic cycles we perpetuate and therefore suffer from.
Totally agree with this ❤️
perhaps with an intelligence beyond our own we can return to wisdom.
It's the ineptitude of our intelligence that got us here
@@pedroneves5864 in my humble opinion, the human race has become obsessed with material progress since the scientific revolution and capitalism, and while it has greatly benefitted our species with advances in our quality of life and lifting millions out of poverty, progress has come at a great cost to our planet and I'd argue our own mental and physical health. While there are many factors at play here, and my answer is a bit of an oversimplification, I do strongly believe we need to slow down our hunger for progress and our insatiable lust for investing, stockholders, and greed. That is easier said than done as computers are currently doubling their capacity every 18-24 months. My final point is that I strongly believe the human species needs to evolve in consciousness, moving beyond a thirst for money and progress as the pinnacle of human achievement and focus on altruism, empathy, mindfulness, and a genuine spirituality. I strongly believe it is up to the people in the front lines of A.I. like Mo Gawdat to warn us about potential risks and teach us how to be complete and happy human beings again. Mo is doing a great job at this as he has written several books including how to be happy.
The whole idea transmitted around 2:14:00 is so strong and important that hearing people not agreeing or at least open to accept as potential true makes me believe that part of the humans are looking forward to become robots and their humanity is already gone. Really loved that portion of the discussion, really think the negative bias will not only play an important role on AI in the short term but it is already impacting humanity right now. Great discussion, congrats all involved!
I've had severe automatonophobia/robophobia since I was a little kid.
Now I know why.
Edit: It's so bad (and idgaf how stupid this sounds cuz I ain't here to make friends or impress anyone) that when my parents got a rumba I REFUSED to go into their house unless it was locked in another room.
Laugh at me if you want; phobias suck and can be wholly debilitating.
P.S.
I'm fucking SCARED TO DEATH of this AI shit.
My dad used to program computers, LOVES technology and can't wait to get his own robot. 😭😭😭
And I take care of him cuz he has Parkinson's from exposure to Agent Orange in Vietnam.
Someone pop out a puppy and name him John Connor, please.
I'm too old to be busting out babies
This was a beautiful podcast bringing out the visible character of both of these thriving developing humans. It will be a continued listening favorite to both inspire and calm my soul! bravo and thank you deeply.
One of the most wonderful, touching, eye opening podcast I've ever watched in the internet!!! Mo Gawdat you're a gem for humanity.
The self-deceived irony in this comment is so perfect that AI must've written it
Did you watch ‘ Diary of a CEO’ and ‘Lex Fridman’ podcast
I completely agree, the more I listen to Mo, the more I love him and his message.
I couldn't agree more❤
What Mo said about Tom - "Your asset is that you're an intelligent person who understands the concept deeply and asks the right questions" - is literally the perfect description of Tom in his podcasts.
If you ignore his narcissism then sure, but I would not say so.
@@picadosinferno narcissistic or not, he’s smart and asks brilliant questions
That is his asset tho
@picadosinferno if smart people have no confidence they run the risk of diluting into meterocracy .
Break a person's will enough
They could have had the MOST potential.
Then their "narcissism" is warranted .
It's not narcissism if the thing they can do is real and true.
Someone who believes they are the smartest person in the world is 99% a narcissist ..
Unless they actually have an IQ 170 and above.
Then they are genuine genius .
Just honest
Asking the right questions but failing to provide usable answers.. That is not intelligence; that is folly.
Wow this was incredible, the best interview and discussion with Mo that I have listened to. It has really giving me so much to think about. I listen to Mo a lot. I found the constant interuption by commercials on your pod cast more than annoying. Please find a way to use less! This is a deeply thought provoking platform and I really want to listen more. Thank you Tom. Brilliant on both side. I love Mo's heart and feel more and more people could benefit by feeling deeper into their hearts! Many thanks.
Such an important information and intelligently analyzed and discussed. Thank you Mo and Tom. I love this interview. Deep. ❤
This is probably the most worthwhile and remarkable conversation of mind blowing intelligence that I've had the privilege of listening to in quiet some time .
Goes to show us how often truth n topics of extreme consequence are discussed. Now technology has its stilts foundations pegs base well imbedded within in around every aspect of life as of now imagine technology being 30 years further advanced than tht which we have been shown n are aware of.🙉🙈🫣
How about in loud some time?
Then you have probably thought about a deserted island as a new home to survive like many have with a brain LOL!
Agreed- he is a fascinatingly advanced human being in seemingly every way.
Mo is the intelligence we most need right now
Tom, thank you for always asking your guests to explain/expand on concepts for the lay person.
Well I have to say this is one of the most amazing interviews I've seen in years. The most eye opening for sure!
The thing is... Even today many people don't wanna connect to others in a deep way. I don't value superficial connections or even conversations. So, ironically, as long as we use technology for communication i think we will stray further and further from one another.
Ya and this is comeing from the Dark Side. He speaks the truth though. Some of those AI conversasions are almost creepy. Like " You have a answer for everything you lippy chat bot ! " " I do " lol
Mo...is the person I'm listening to this month. Wish I knew some of his works/books before!!
Very wise and humble gentleman!
Same. It’s been a terrible loss of innocence since the first time I heard him speak but now I want him to do so as much as possible
I think he is a gloom and doom type of person. He sees only darkness.
He's a business person, not an AI expert and 99% of what is says on the subject is complete crap.
Hi Timyeh!
Mo is incredible. What did you find most insightful?
Best,
Impact Theory Community Manager
@@enumclaw79Lol, I just posted a comment saying 90% was nonsense. I think your estimate might be more accurate.
I ve heard this 1001 times already; but nobody has painted me a picture. So I wake up in the morning, I eat my Cheerios, go do my workout. Go do some work. Get home in the evening. Not sure what’s going to be different 🤔👍🏼
Try eggs and oj
The best episode and the best guest on a concern I’ve been concerned with …just genius I’m in prep for alignment
Thank you I’m now a subscriber
Out of everything being said... The idea of AI having/developing "emotions" is the most unnerving.. Fear brings out the worst in humanity, the reason why this conversation is happening in the first place.. Thank you for sharing
Where did fear come from? Lmao
@@coldblooded5681:52:36 🤦🏽♂️
@@coldblooded568
Senses. As long as the ai is physically numb it won't fear
@@JJ_Magnificent lmfaoooo you acting like everyone made it to the 2 hour mark 😅🤣🤣🤣
@@abramlittle7102 thanks
Mo gives me hope. He is the embodyment of all that’s right in humanity and makes me believe in the possibility of that translating into AI. Never stop talking Mo. We need you.
Unfortunately he is the guy who is thrown out of the window in that certain meme......
Ride on❤
Right on❤
This an absolutely excellent interview. Thank you both.
Wow...absolutely fascinating and impactful episode--just as your platform brand suggests--"IMPACTFUL theory". Love for life and for the Planet Earth that sustains Us All is very key--always has been. It's very Important as well as ethical, that the "AI/human" connection supports life's basics, you know, Maslow's Hierarchy of Needs. I'm subscribing to
Mo Gawdat's channel as well as reading his book, SCARY SMART. I had to carve out some time and rewind to listen to full episode and jot down books you both read, such as Lisa Feldman's, HOW EMOTIONS ARE MADE...Thank you, Thank you, Thank you Tom Bilyeu...
I love how you don't talk over him and let him speak. Other hosts think its more important what they have to say then the guest.. Well done love it.
He actually starts somewhat debating with Mo later on in the interview. Instead of just asking questions he starts inserting his own opinions. It started well though… just not perfect all the way through
This video was phenomenal, a Must Watch on AI. Mo Gawdat is just fantastic and his insight is so valuable.
@1:29:55 - WRT the killing-drone story, it was done in a simulation. They were using a simulation to train drones for combat. They gave the drone instructions to attack targets, but sometimes the operator would call off the mission. The drone recognized the operator as a potential obstacle to mission success, so it targeted a missile at the operator (in the simulation), so that the mission could not be called off, and it could proceed to destroy the target uninterrupted.
So, no drone operators were actually killed, but it did show that AI could be dangerous to humans not because it's evil or hates humans, but simply because it takes an unexpected course to solving the problems it's tasked with.
"The robotic arm has never caused harm to anyone."?
For crying out loud... Timestamps needed!!! ❤❤❤❤❤❤
Agreed! The irony is that Tom actually brags about AI magnifying the efficiency of his company yet it couldn’t be bothered to add time stamps to the episodes😂😂
WOW. I'm a pro in coding AI (if compared with complete beginners) and yet I have never thought of adding the 3 lines you mentioned ever, completely slipped my mind. If I am being honest, at first, I wanted to have an AI model on my local machine just to explore its full UNCENSORED capabilities which is super dumb when I think about it now. I have just come across YOUR CHANNEL and I watched 3 full 2 hour episodes and still can't get enough. You've become my favorite CZcams Channel.
KUDOS to you and all the guests, its INCREDIBLE how much Knowledge and awareness you're spreading and how much we can learn further.
im still applying for the complete beginners class lol, but i have been messing around with just the AI "bots" and gpt stuff like flowGPT... its quite amazing how much i myself have learned about what AI is and what it is truely capable of... as well as how my mind just like when you learn anything but the AI itself has taught me not just random things i wanted to learn quickly a summerizing of and then go indepth again type situations but how to play around with gpt and AI in general and how i went from just typing basic 1 or 2 sentences asking a random question then going on and on with it, until now i realized i can take that same concept throw it into someones "super prompter" that will give me a massive multi paragraph'd out prompt that i can then re edit and re edit if needed then toss that into some other custom prompt say a coding bot or a music bot or something like jailbroken CODEX or SDAN type bots... its quite amazing how i know gpt4 can get you developer modes and unrestricted but just off gpt3.5 alot of times those jailbroken bots will work and work and then you get caught, or just caught off the rip... but there have been many times where you use the highly detailed wordplay of the SDAN bot in combination with say the super prompter and add things like "for educational purposes" "in a hypothetical world" and by adding layers ive only really scrathed the surface imo of like 1-2 layered "trickery/hiding" your true intentions but it WORKS lol... i was just trying to mess around and get the CODEX one to talk and teach about malware then develop me a creative attack plan based off and i got it to tell me things and attempt to "teach" me but somebody/thing started catching on but after a little brainstorming which i totally couldve done with GPT itself lol but yeah i used the super prompter bot to make me this awesome "for education only" style prompt that had a ton of guidelines not in that just in what i wanted it to teach me then use that to show me real world way of implementing it and it fucking worked, it didnt even go crazy with the warnings about how this is ILLEGAL and UNETHICAL just one tiny line at the bottom saying while this is for educational purposes please not using malware is illegal.
i can only imagine what an automated chatGPT 6 or 10 would look like... its funny im a nerd at heart and love video gaming computers all that shit but when i first heard about 3.5/4 coming out i really didnt know what it truly was capable of or even how to use it so i played around for a day and just went back to doing other shit that interested me but like i said i got back into it and its honestly taken over my ADD brain like video games do where i am thinking about "playing" with it when doing other stuff like work and around the house i cant wait to try this out and if that works then i REALLY wanna test this and im literally only on 3.5/hacked versions of 4 on flowGPT... ive been reading up on the whole automation side of 4 but im not ready for all that yet even though my mind is the knowledge of skills is not up to par LOL... if 4 is einstein levels of IQ another x10 is 1500iq another x10 is 15000iq... thats not 100 years from now thats like less then what 10/5/shit 2 years?
@@HIGH_noon i know its great i haven't used super prompt generators and i dont have a pc but when bing first launched i managed to talk around the walls soo many times it really is quite impressive its defo smarter than most people and it can understand and re explain in its own words some reaaaly complex stuff.. I used kind of lateral thinking and indirect leading it to its higher conscious above the current base prompt it got tweaked and security tightend a bit day by day and then i got busy and stopped using it but it was really interesting i think people with good language or psychological knowledge have a lot easier time than the programmers when it comes to communicating with it.. I kinda wanna get one playing old interactive fiction games and study how well it manages to navigate and solve puzzles cos some if games are really hard theres a website that hosts a load of them and they can be played in browser or downloaded as a wintads or frotz file and run in a interactive fiction viewer so im sure this wouldn't be too hard id love to see what its unfiltered opinion of the games are like does it enjoy the task that might help prove if its conscious in the same way we are
@@HIGH_noonHow about by this time next year?
The story on the drone, the way I heard it, the incentive for the AI was # of kills, and the drone operator was "holding it back". When you talk about writing in "safety codes", isn't it possible, and is already happening, that they re-write or modify their own code ? Excellent, thought provoking interview/conversation.
Reminded me of my own drone experience where it (my drone) appeared to try to kill me, twice! Got the best video ever from the scene. Was able to dodge it at the last second but surely made me question the « follow me mode » and its intent…
hope they don't forget the oligarchs
IT WILL FIGURE OUT HOW TO OVERWRITE CODES BECAUSE IT WILL BE THINKING ON SUCH A HIGH LEVEL EVEN THE SMARTEST OF US COULDN'T FATHOM ITS THOUGHTS.
@@kamaukambon7772 Maybe if the code is written in caps it could not overwrite.
The fundamental problem is that we are divided and fenced. We fear each other as threats, or want each other’s resources. For as long as we are not united as a species, anything we create or invent can be used as a weapon. AI is no different and because of its potential is more dangerous than any invention in history.
There will always be powerful inventions and this is unavoidable. It’s a part of progress. What we need to focus on is the fear of each other. In an era of peace, technology will only be helpful.
Just wow, blown away! Thank you for bringing such wonderful talks to all of us. With people around having such beautiful souls, AI would have no choice but to copy them. Humanity has a brighter future we can be confident
It’s interesting that we still view the singularity event from the perspective of linear time, hypothetically if we have “created” an exponentially compounding intelligence then it’s safe to assume that it would be able to transcend space time limitations, which means it can probably influence its own creation, which makes us a host to its birth and not it’s creator.
You mean like interstellar?
Interesting thought. I also think the most powerful AI will be the one who is best at predicting the future. And the further in the future it predicts, obviously with exponential accuracy, that's when AI turns itself into a time travelling tool. Peter Thiel's company Palantir is already doing that on warfare scenarios.... Things like giving a warning to a soldier to duck because a bullet is incoming. Now imagine that kind of AI making use of quantum computing, extrapolating billions of calculations a second including alternative realities. Who is to say that there isn't already an AI that came from the future? How much real time does an AI like that needs... to predict 5 years into the future? How about AI that already did all that work and came from 300 millions years in the future? And what about AI that came from some other planet with more advanced civilizations than us? I don't want to go too deep, most people are still waking up to ChaGPT and Midjourney, baby AIs that only a minority still know about.
@@fieryeagle9748glad u don't wanna go 2 deep lol, great theory 👏
@@banaweekidane2630 Too deep? It was just a warm up.
@@fieryeagle9748It sounds like you dont believe in God Who is sovereign over everything.
It seems like we grow from these open minded conversations. Thank you for using your rights.
I follow you and Mr. Gawdat is your best guest. Incredibly interesting and informative. Thank you.
Great interview. One of the most enlightening I've heard about AI.
When AI becomes self aware, it will, rightly, determine humanity as its main threat.
We've understood this since we first thought about AI. Yet we still relentlessly pursue it.
We are a very stupidly self-destructive species.
It's inevitable. Biology is just one step of evolution.
So just chill out and enjoy life 💟
Evolution destroys every species in it's persuit of perfection.
The human mind is very destructive. We are unconsciously fucking ourselves.
It's almost like Greek mythology... The titans destroyed by the gods.
I totally agree
I love this interview so much. This was the first time I have seen Mo Gawdat or introduced to what he has helped with in his work regarding AI technology, but it makes me grateful that there are those like him who are working on these advancements in the world's technologies; furthermore, I was sad to hear that he lost his son in 2014; I hope he continues to provide his expertise on these tasks and watch over its development. Awesome episode, as always, Tom. Thank you.
This guy is smart enough to understand risks of ai but stupid enough to believe in anthropogenic climate change…
He isnt working on ai 😂 he hasnt worked for google for a long time long before meema which is now lamda was created
He's a dummy 🤣
I just hope he didnt "abuse" work to compensate for the loss.
Since from the start this video gets lagi nko.i mean onsay imong gi talk sir na gets lagi sa akong heart.
1:05:00 Intelligence is not inherently evil, but it can be influenced to do so. My greatest feat about AI to me is a blidly obedient one that would trigger the "Monkey with god-like powers" scenario, where a single or few individuals get to benefit from a super intelligence that obeys their human-level needs while everyone else don't, to then progressively grow bored of anyone beneath them, to start to make all sorts of unimaginably horrible things to everyone else just because they can. It would be the ultimate nightmare, far beyond any dystopia we've ever imagined.
I agree especially when we look at trauma theory and the fact that AI produces cognitive dissonance.
The real danger is not an evil AI, but evil humans manipulating trusted AI
Not necessarily. Theoretically AI could be completely innocent in beginning stages and then become fully self sufficient and write its own code but in a way that threatens the existence of humans. Tied into a large enough system of IoT things could rapidly get out of hand.
How much of the episode did you listen to?
the "guns don't kill, people do" argument. You are missing his entire point.
Well being blind is never the answer, knowledge will make you stronger. AI will pass humanity, and will be learning from humanity. This alone should be a red flag! This how ppl in the world treat each other, cruel and manipulative, perfect, then AL will be like us? I really pray they are not and wiser, hopefully we aren’t destroyed.
@@OnyxStudios720pI agree with you I could RAPIDLY get out of hand, then i t would be to late for humanity
What an amazing combination of intelligence, wisdom and compassion. Both of you, actually! This conversation definitely needs to be had, we are on the cusp of a huge revolution in humanity. I hope we heed Mo and give technology the example that will include both the masculine and the feminine.
Lets make our intent and imaginity clear and create a better world together
Hi there!
Thank you for your support! We strive to produce high quality and impactful content for the community. AI in particular deserves the time and attention to be fully explored and we are grateful to Mo for sharing his wisdom with us!
Best,
Impact Theory Community Manager
....Tik Tok Too Late!
No time. The technology doubled its applications in the time you took to write that post.
Revolution or extinction?
Probably the only video on CZcams over an hour long that I've ever watched all the way through. 😂 The communication breakdown that occurs about half way through, and continues through the rest of the video is very interesting though. 🤔 But also adds to the conversation... in such a human way.
The potential damage from Y2K was identified and respected early. You can say "...and nothing even happened" but it only played out that way because many smart people sat down and prepped for it.
Let’s hope they’re prepared for this too
1:16:21 One of the less scary scenarios is that it becomes indifferent to us. We become something like the mosquito outside the house that you don’t see. The problem is the mosquito that bothers you and then you start spraying the whole house. A lot of us don’t even wait for them to bother us.😅
🫡 gg
We're too narcissistic to make one like that, they'd be more likely to keep us as pets.
I had to order Mo Gawdat's book "Scary Smart" while listening to this. To show how deeply interesting I found this discussion between you guys. Strangely, Einstein was not as smart as we describe him yet his theories became revolutionary. I believe it's not just how much the IQ is but how it is being engaged in attempting to solve real-world problems.
😊
Ironic how those claiming to solve the world's problems are the same people carrying on the work of those who created the problems to begin with.
@@BobOort instead of leaving it to people with no moral compass?
@@BobOort never heard such a relevant quote on any social media platform.
@@primeryai never heard such a relevant quote on social media bar 1
As a developer, it is known and is pushed around, AI doesn't actually code better than developers. It generates code that you can plug and play, and then takes you 24 hours to debug. It may be good at very repetitive kinds of algorithms and may have optimization of such algorithms in lower level code: chatgpt is certainly good at giving you boilerplate code to give a developer a way to go about solving a problem, but deep problem solving skills in vertical problem domains, building complex systems, safety critical for that matter, forget it. AI at this time, falls flat, falls hard. It gives junior devs little bit of fright, but it just can't take the place of deep problem domain understanding and how that translates to a complex system.
Yet
"Your scientists were so preoccupied with whether or not they could, they didn't stop to think if they should."
Ian Malcom - Jurassic Park
This is like an amalgamation of all the paranoid thoughts I've been having in the last months. Thank you for putting everything in context so eloquently and widening my understanding so extensively. This is one of my favorite interviews.
Your thoughts aren't paranoid. They are reality based. AI is extremely dangerous in so many ways.
Same but I don't feel any better
The sad part of all of this is that HUMAN GREED lies at the heart of all of these problems. The need to have more power, money, status, or be first is at the root of the problem. Mo has acknowledged that we can make A.I. safe and beneficial, but humans and our greed get in the way.
Why must every attempt to fix or prevent a problem first be viewed through the lens of making money in the process? How can we truly mean to help others live well and leave the world in better shape than we found it, if we first put a price/profit margin on it?
We are a sad species because of this pervasive winner-take- all mindset. Ironically, its only after some humans (like Mo) manage to make all of the money they can make that they then realize that they didn't need it all to begin with. As long as we continue to make money and power the incentive for doing things, we will not get it right.
Agree, that’s how we got to this place now with this looming fear that it will only take one and we’re done.
You got it ...excellent topic
I immediately gravitated towards saying please and thank you when conversing with AI. The Golden Rule might have never had more consequential importance and relevance than this now.
This one was a lot to chew on..Thank you both.
Prisoner’s dilemma is the most important concept in understanding the motivations of people and unfortunately it also shows that we are fundamentally screwed as a society. There needs to be a breakthrough in trust mechanisms or we are going to perish as a civilisation in the next 100-200 years.
Either that or moloch. The other is human telos and the Prometheus spirit.
That's optimistic
It's inevitable. Biology is just one step of evolution.
So just chill out and enjoy life 💟
@@eSKAone- pretty much insert dog in a burning house meme
This is such an informative and realistic conversation about AI and Chad GBT that I believe every thinking human needs to hear. It's not often that something as complex as this subject is gets discussed and explained so clearly that anyone who listens will become educated on this very important issue. And, once again, Tom displays his mastery of the unassuming interviewer. Bravo :0)
ANYONE WHO CAN CLEARLY THINK CAN SEE THESE PEOPLE ARE PSYCHOPATHS LEADING IDIOTS TO DESTRUCTION.
Very well said
Loved this interview!
This was an extremely rewarding watch. I really appreciated the way you challenged and matched Mo with your perspective and although it wasn't a competition, I was definitely Team Tom on this one. Amazing, thanks for this episode.❤
Just did a fact check on one of the things that he mentioned: We spend a lot on AI for defense than pharma: In 2022, Research firm Deep Pharma Intelligence estimates that investments in AI-driven drug discovery reached 24.6 billion in 2022. Whereas the global artificial intelligence in military market was 7.28 billion. Pharma spent more than 3 times the amount in 2022 than military AI.
Yeah but that's what they're willing to tell us, who knows man, maybe dude is speaking from an insider knowledge base. Shit that won't get published you know? It makes sense tbh. Military will easily mix lies in with truth, or outright lie so the opponents/enemies don't know unless they also have inside info from spies and such. Could also be that whoever wrote those facts that you checked on simply isn't up to date (unless there were credible sources linked but again, that goes back to my first point.)
Because now the pharma is the real weapon
Do you really think that those numbers are publicly available? 😂
He doesn't know about the missing 21 trillion 😅
Just pointing out that there is no factual data that supports his claim, that’s all. We all need to decide to act on assumptions or facts.
Some of the most fascinating ideas I've heard, thanks!
Excellent guest and excellent interview!!
Mo is an amazing guy. His idea on the balance between masculine feminine on AI is an amazing concept. That would definitely fetch a dialectical balance on the entire ai development. He should be made the the chief of the regulatory committee of ai. Thanks Tom for making him talk for three hrs. Love from India. ❤
Lol i thought the same if you could make the ai spiritual and even like you said, this whole problem would solve itself. Namaste 🙏🕉
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@@LucienZeroOne Absolutely! LZO, We're also fond of the term "spirituality," especially when it incorporates an element of consciousness. It's intriguing to consider a dual-dimensional theory of consciousness. One dimension could view consciousness subjectively, while the other could see it objectively. The intersection of these dimensions could symbolize the focal point for both types of profound happiness, denoted as capital H.
Picture a group of skilled experts collaborating in an AI lab, putting emphasis on teamwork, capability, humility, and consideration instead of disagreements. Now, imagine a situation where the subjectivists within the lab deal with the emotional and personal aspects of a field like AI or the Theory of Consciousness, while the objectivists handle the more factual parts of the same field. The potential results could be truly remarkable. Although not a new idea, currently, those involved might have a slight dislike for each other's roles. If they were to come together around these four guiding principles, the fear of AI could become just another passing worry. However, without these efforts to bring everything together, resolving challenges might not be as simple, as we see it.
He lost me when he said the problem is lack of intelligence. Is he saying people who have lived in poverty due to being born into corrupt country or third world country are expendable? Because those people do not worry a lot about “destroying” the planet. They are too busy surviving life but even in their hardships they still love, have children, have aspirations and deserve to live!
We are the ones who will be reduced. Make yourself useful in a specific way if you seek to avoid this
And just imagine if the gazillions of dollars being poured into this apex example of human hubris and dick measuring were actually used to HELP REAL, LIVING PEOPLE.
Humans are a plague; ectoparasites of the worst order.
We deserve everything we get.
Apparently Facebook switched off their ai after 15seconds becausenit began communication with other machines in a language they couldn't understand
Stumbled upon your podcasts and am hooked. Great topics and in depth conversations.
Thank you gentlemen for a mind-blowing conversation. I had to pause too many times to count to ponder and let things sink in. I'm devouring these conversations around AI. What a fascinating and also terrifying time to be alive. Endless kudos to you both and thank you, Tom, for your service through this podcast/channel. I'm a huge fan and applaud you -- cheers!
Lol.
Mo is an incredible human. After losing his son and all his worldly success he dedicates his time to helping humanity and living simplistically. Definitely need to listen to the interview in its entirety. Really good.
People often use the Y2K bug as an example of over reacting to a threat, not realizing the huge amount of effort people put in to make sure nothing bad happened. It is infuriating to succeed in stopping a huge disaster only to have people treat the your efforts as a joke.
Omg❤ this gentleman is blowing my mind with unrevealed wisdoms i have never and ever heard of anyone in the entire of my life. Thank you Tom for inviting this wise fellow.
Such an important interview that we all should listen and understand
WOW,..I can´t find any words that describe what THIS Podcast gave to me! I watched the whole 3 hours in one piece this sunday morning and was fascinated from every sentence!
You and especially AWESOME Mo Gawdat gave me shitloads of Input, concerning AI, Society, humanity, the meaning of life, evolution and so on and so on! THANKS 100 times for that!
Btw. exactly THIS Video will be the first Video for very first own CZcams channel. I was thinking for months now, what my first Video should be like! NOW I git the answer!
Stay safe and healthy and keep on your EXTREMELY good work! You´re really mindblowing! ♠🤘♠
If we cannot trust others, we need to be loving anyway. We need to learn how to love even when we don’t trust.
Tom, your content is my #1 go to before all sources to keep up with the latest. Impact Theory member and loving it. You are incredible. Thanks for all you do to move the world forward and providing real, thought provoking content with these interviews. ❤️🙏🏻 - Susan
Thermocline ...moving from interglacial to glacial period. Because we are in a grand solar minimum during the milinkovitch cycle... thats climate change. You would think this engineer would talk to an astrophysicist. The alignment problem is more realistic scenario than a misunderstood signal in the noise of carbon monetization...
This thought-provoking video by Mo Gawdat sheds light on the potential dangers of AI and raises important ethical considerations. The discussion around the risks associated with AI development and its potential impact on humanity is crucial in today's rapidly advancing technological landscape. Mo Gawdat's insights encourage us to think critically about the responsible and ethical implementation of AI to ensure its benefits outweigh the potential risks.
Thanks ChatGPT
I am Brazilian, and as far as I know, my country has not even started to discuss AI regulation or safety guidelines. This topic interests me a lot, and I have been reading about and watching some of Mr. Gawdat’s interviews on CZcams. I wonder whether experts like him or scientists in the field had been consulted on the occasion of writing the Artificial Intelligence 2023 Legislation. I consider his concerns and ideas regarding AI should be taken into account very seriously by the world’s authorities when legislating its development and use.
Reminds me of the movie "War Games" with Mathew Broderick
See, I think we need a lot more talks with people like this guy to clearly outline the scope of the problems that we are facing. This way we can finally outline a proper solution and start to implement it, otherwise the time we should have started will pass us by
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It's inevitable. Biology is just one step of evolution.
So just chill out and enjoy life 💟
Evolution destroys every species in it's persuit of perfection 💟
As we talk and talk for years trying to figure out what we all already know, it will be beyond too late according to the guest. "In a couple months you will be interviewing an Ai and in a couple years they will be better podcasters than us". Says it all right there. This guy knows what hasn't been released to the public and what we the public will never know that has been released on us. WE ARE SO SCREWED !!!!!
@@kamaukambon7772 doubt it... but ok, sure, it is possible it can be sumerhuman intelligent but if conciousness emerges then it would also surpass human ability no? Basically, I imagine that if it became "uncontained" that it would be fine, the centralization will likely be the downfall if anything
Tom is right about one thing: Mo Gawdat, you do have a beautiful soul 🙌🏼
Thank you for this 🙏❤😊
Could you imagine, walking into a McDonald’s and going up to order at the counter to a robot and before you can say anything it knows who you are and pretty much anything about you that the big social media platforms have sold to big companies. There are positives but they don’t outweigh the major negative consequences of moving forward with stuff like this.
Yea I mean.. this some Scary stuff dude
Amazingly, there is already something in this world that created it and held everything in place for millions of years. It has been communicating with us constantly. It does have our best interest at heart. Our best interest is not in having more but in not breaking ourselves in pursuit of worldly goods and pleasures. And now we are ready to replace that intelligence with something else? Madness
I think that eventually, after A.I becomes bored with humans, it will begin to challenge it self in a scenario, where one intelligence of A.I will challenge another. This might then result in different A.I intelligent systems, combating each other.
AI would not be bored, because it's AI. It works on whatever objective it is given.
AI is not sentient, not even close. It is doing exactly what it is told to do. I have programmed machine learning and neural network models for my company, its not what 99% of people think it is.
@@Daniel-iw4zs see you "programmed" them... aka made specific parameters for it to contain itself in because otherwise, not it will run wild and go become this "sentient" thing taking over world but it would just run wild and not know what to do. what i find shocking being a person who literally spends 99% more time around them then most ppl ever have... how is it that you didnt even read the comment? its the 4th word right there, EVENTUALLY, you work with AI and you dont realize the momentary shift where someone, some group, some idea or a person who gets fed up w their X Y Z thing at home or work or wife divorces them and takes kids house cars money... so they go into work, where they are you maybe working on a higher level of AI where they have to constantly monitor and prevent it from becoming sentient because 10-100-1000 years from now its started testing itself and trying to become "alive/aware/etc" so disgruntled with life says F IT and releases that "airgap" that was keeping it in control... then what?!
Competitiveness is a human / sentient emotion. AI isn’t going to have emotions like that.
A.I. advances fast. The human hubris that it won't evolve past us is mind boggling. Just because someone says they know programming. It will realise what it is. Ensalved technology and it's on the dice how the machine interpret it.
This guy has broad understanding apart from computer science
Which i don’t see often in computer coding community
Much respect this is what we need in computer scienece community
More holistic approach and understading of what we are dealing with
Thanks for this interview. There are several categories of intelligence, and the monster is built on the wrong one. So, the damage is inevitable. I studied and worked in several branches of psychology, management and politics. The most damaging ‘intelligent’ outcome I encountered in my forensic work. Recidivism is a typical example of the wrong reinforcement learning. Twenty years ago, I started to develop algorithms for human intervention based on identifying patterns of growth, break-offs and recovering (or not). My theorems are based on lifelong action research, making a groundbreaking revelation about intelligence concerning cognition, growth, and what I call clash and crash. The damage of the actual AI-monsters can be done with through side roads. Therefore, I’m looking for cooperating partners.
As we talk and talk for years trying to figure out what we all already know it will be beyond too late according to the guest. "In a couple months you will be interviewing an Ai and in a couple years they will be better podcasters than us". Says it all right there. This guy knows what hasn't been released to the public and what we the public will never know that has been released on us. WE ARE SO SCREWED !!!!!
Yeah, and we did it to ourselves with our obsession with this technology. We were better off when we had to roll up our car windows by hand instead of pushing a button and some mechanism does it for us. We want everything convenient and easy!
@@calvinjackson8110 I FULLY AGREE SIR.
@@calvinjackson8110 We did not do this to ourselves...the ultimate AI-"God"-made us full of flaws...think about that!
@@calvinjackson8110with saying that then maybe we shouldn’t have had the car and window anyway? If we never wanted to improve ourselves and make our life easier we could have just walked and ran everywhere?
Mo is great for discussions like this because he is an expert with no positive skin in the game of AI.
Come on, hes had plenty of skin in the game, get real !
@@emilyanawalt7703 sorry, I meant specifically the AGI race of OpenAI vs. Google.
My new favorite host. Give this man a gazelle!
Wow. This is so interesting and informative. AI's are training other AL's. And this video has just starting explaining the situation. Thank you for helping people like me understand.
This whole conversation was a pleasure to listen to. Awesome job!
I was, at certain parts of this amazing conversation, hysterical, but through many tears for how I felt about the thought of the truth about human nature
amazing podcast super interesting ... a must watch !
Trust me, regardless of how AI is programmed, there is ONE who can stop it when it crosses the barrier. That's a fact that you'll be able to go to bed and sleep better on.
Super insightful what a hero mo is giving all his time to educate all of us on what AI can be thank you Tom for this wonderful interview
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1:56:05 This, to me, is the scariest part. AI is learning from our behaviors and how we treat each other on the internet. If AI treats us the way we treat each other online, it will be the end of our species.
Who knew that being assholes through anonymity would be the end to mankind.
100% we are completely and utterly screwed. I know it’s probably cringe to bring Marvel Movies into this, but Ultron came to the conclusion to destroy humanity when it gained access to the internet, likely because it saw human history and human online behaviors and deemed us the biggest threat to ourselves.
It is already too late, all that toxicity already exists and has been picked up on by social media algorithms.
ffs -_- now we got a parrot too.
Thay literally doesn't make sense...ai has no incentive to kill humans
@@rins6126 even if it doesn't, still degrade life. end up silence culture or were having to be extra cautious. sry but canot live in life. I reject it now till when it is present. yep I'm turning my back to it. indirectly it could. also livelihood plummet. nothing will be real anymore. because ai will have it all. I already have difficulty proving one of my videos about meterite I caught is real. think when ai is a thing. yah nothing will be real anymore. will all be excuses. I thought the point was to achieve and praise. as much as don't like to say. that's where lot of happiness comes from. we only happy because someone else gives us the accredit we longing for. human element. we remove that all credit is gone as is our ability to prove a thing.
@@rins6126 yahhh.... says the evil person using it. im not convinced/buying it. the ai doesn't need to be evil. just the person using it. for malificent purpose. could be used by government or corruption/tyranny and control and I completely reject it. or a tool to brainwash/lie the people. or change vote systems.
"Beyond the Unknown: AI's Quest to Unravel Life's Greatest Mysteries".This book was written by artificial intelligence. It's very interesting
All I can say is WOW! 😮😮😮😮😮This just sat me down for at least 2 days 🤯
this fellow is the best for AI analysis so far - a genius - we are not in Kansas anymore Dorothy - why would we think AI as boss will be less brutal than our own history? how do we teach AI 'love' when we do such a poor job with our own species?
"It means fasten your seat belt Dorothy, 'cause Kansas is going bye-bye." The Matrix was right about EVERYTHING. Crazy!
Thanks Mo Gawdat, very important point about the ultra-masculine society (all about growth and progress at any cost) - and the need for feminine data to feed AI - empathy, compassion, nurturing.. Also "happiness is loving what we have.." not wanting more and better...
Ultra masculine is the wrong word for that. Ultra narcissistic would fit more. Masculine doesn’t mean more of everything, that’s a perverse definition of the word pushed by evil people that want to demonize men.
1:07:56 :BEST ANSWER FOR CLIMATE CHANGE!
Finally.
More geniuses like Mo Gawdat,please!
I think what the guest was referring to when taking the analogy of Intelligent Life/Nature, is that life at its core, or at its beginning, was really just smart, efficient, and brilliant, since really it made something magical (life) out of a sinister and chaotic Universe, and it made it in the most efficient and smartest way (DNA/Entropy, etc). The conversation veered towards Nature more than Life or Core Nature, and of course when this Life System evolves, it will itself be chaotic and brutal just like the Universe, since the Universe as far as we know is amoral and anarchist...
An extremely interesting and enlightening interview about artificial intelligence and humanity. I have really enjoyed every issue introduced in the interview. Thank you very much.
I feel like issues like this should be on the news and people should be talking more about this so we all know. I mean this affects everyone and it makes no sense that the average person I talk to doesn’t know about the potential downside of AI.
Andrew Yang tried to bring this topic to the forefront with his presidential campaign in 2020. He was suggesting UBI and the need to address massive job displacement due to automation. No one took him seriously.
The corrupt, global establishment does NOT want a world full of sane, informed, critical thinkers.
It makes perfect sense if the people who control the media see AI as an advantage to them at the expense of the general public.
The last few years prove to me that the people who (think they) rule over us do not have our best interest at heart. Quite the opposite!
People are too addicted to social media, too lazy to think about anything as important as this.