Didn't not expect that . I have seen that only once in all my years . The balancer does have a rubber grommet holding the inner and outer part of the balancer . WOW .
I bought an o6 mustang v6 , 3 days later putting freon in ac the harmonic balancer/crank pulley fell off while charging. 96,000 miles . The thing is glued together. Glued, smh, I couldn't believe it. Not to to hard to replace. Cheap ways they do things nowadays
About a 30 second diagnosis. Know your engine, find out if it is internally balanced or externally balanced . If externally it will shake in the case of a balancer that's defective. Internal it won't.
When the dampers start to fail they seep and leak oil. This happens about 7-8 years into the life of an engine. Rubber or neoprene last for only 8 years due to heat and oxidization. Laws of entropy can’t be overcome folks.
My brothers 87 great running buick 3.8 260,000 miles had loose viberation dampener. Didn’t know what problem was. Broke the end of crankshaft off. Bye bye nice old buick.
It usually shows up as the timing marks won't align bc the outer ring slipped tearing the rubber insulator. I replaced mine with an upgraded unit when I painted my engine to be safe
woahhhhh that's a good one hahaha one time mine came apart inside it self and was one wheel spinning inside itself still spinning with the belt. metal on metal rotating screaming like a demon from the underworld. hahahaha
Fix that oil leak. I once traded a set of 350 bowtie heads for a brand new crate motor. A 400 sb torque monster set up because the guy put a 350 balancer and flywheel on it and couldn't figure out why it had a bad vibration.
Just like a Chevy balancer. The fords don’t suffer that problem nearly as often. That looks like it was saturated in oil, which softened the rubber over time.
Brooo.... Those suck ass to fix. Mine separated and slide back into my cover plate... Was leaking oil for weeks cuz I couldn't figure it out. 2001 dodge ram 1500. Fixed it though lol...
Is it better than what it was before you replaced it? Because it could have destroyed that front barring being out of balance like that and cause it to still vibrate 🤔
The transmission can only be bolted up one way because it is lined up with dowels that are taking most of the force. Does it shake in neutral / park and drive, or only in drive, or only in neutral / park?
it's always the first part overlooked when people build a performance motor you ever see a balancer wobble loose and shoot through a radiator scared of f****** s*** out of you
It wad violence unleashed! Shook the entire car with me in it 😆 czcams.com/users/shorts2TG4VITA-rI?feature=share If i did not already have this in the works i would be putting new bearings in her.
Not uncommon. Especially older balancers that have been oil soaked continuously for decades
Had thst surprise before.. Glad you found it before it was too late
Unharmonically balanced
Oil saturation is the cause
How would one get that fixed
@@selenarangel6435this one
@@selenarangel6435by going to a mechanic lol
You just change the damper lol
@@newguysgarage6802 the diaper? Huggies or pampers?
As a drag racer I have toasted so many of those till a bought a fluid one. Never had one fail
I didn't suspect that .. good eye.
If you rebuild engines,checking that harmonic balancer is a necessity or just get you a fluid damper and be done with it.
Didn't not expect that . I have seen that only once in all my years . The balancer does have a rubber grommet holding the inner and outer part of the balancer . WOW .
I was also shocked!
@@newguysgarage6802 I bet you were. GOOD find though. I could see that hard to pin down . Great heads up on your part .
Ive replaced multiple harmonic balancers. Esp on VWs. Belt chirp etc... sometimes not the belt. Been there done that
I bought an o6 mustang v6 , 3 days later putting freon in ac the harmonic balancer/crank pulley fell off while charging. 96,000 miles . The thing is glued together. Glued, smh, I couldn't believe it. Not to to hard to replace. Cheap ways they do things nowadays
Seen it on a 4.2 F-150 that came in for an alignment. Customer was notified. Wanted to know how long he could put it off for 😟
I have an 04 expedition with the 5.4L and I just got a cylinder 8 misfire code😢
Im that customer please help best advice changed to second and now car works but very low
Saw that in small block Fords and Chevys in the early 1970s but not since. Was that original?
About a 30 second diagnosis. Know your engine, find out if it is internally balanced or externally balanced . If externally it will shake in the case of a balancer that's defective. Internal it won't.
I replaced quite a few balancers in my career.
Me too and occasionally the loose balance ring eats into the timing cover and destroys it!
That power increase from the spade connector was too much power 😆🙌
Lol 😆
This was before that 😅
When the dampers start to fail they seep and leak oil. This happens about 7-8 years into the life of an engine. Rubber or neoprene last for only 8 years due to heat and oxidization. Laws of entropy can’t be overcome folks.
And the shaking was violent! 🤣
Had that happen to the harmonic balancer on the 390 in my 74 F100 super cab years ago.
Did you check your engine support mount?
My brothers 87 great running buick 3.8 260,000 miles had loose viberation dampener. Didn’t know what problem was. Broke the end of crankshaft off. Bye bye nice old buick.
I've only ever seen that before on my '67 Mercury Cougar. Same thing. But that was in 1987
Exactly
Those harmonica balancers are crazy.
Of all moving parts to an engine, the harmony balancer is not supposed to be one of them".
But it is.
Not in that direction....
@@newguysgarage6802 I'm so retarded I wrote harmony. I knew what you meant, just making myself look like a moron, don't get in my way.
I know lol 😆
All in good fun 👍
Harmonic balancer moves 8 times per revolution of a 8 cylinder 90⁰ engine. That might be the part that moves the most on an engine.
Not in that direction it doesn't lol 😆
@@newguysgarage6802 that is very true.
Lol 😆
Change front seal also maybe install repair sleeve if need.
Motor will be coming out once the 302 is built anyway 😆
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my 77 camaro had one that fell apart , stock balancers have a rubber isolator that somtimes fails.
It usually shows up as the timing marks won't align bc the outer ring slipped tearing the rubber insulator.
I replaced mine with an upgraded unit when I painted my engine to be safe
woahhhhh that's a good one hahaha one time mine came apart inside it self and was one wheel spinning inside itself still spinning with the belt. metal on metal rotating screaming like a demon from the underworld. hahahaha
Fix that oil leak.
I once traded a set of 350 bowtie heads for a brand new crate motor. A 400 sb torque monster set up because the guy put a 350 balancer and flywheel on it and couldn't figure out why it had a bad vibration.
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Im fixing it with this lol 😆
I've actually seen this before on the 302 in my old T-bird. Vibration damper sheared right off no idea how.
Holy play batman good lord could fit a spaceship in between the balancer and the block
If only you could have felt the violence 😆
@@newguysgarage6802 Houston we have lift off lmao 😂😂
@@phantom_of_the_pines more like
"Holey shit what the fuck is that!?!?"
Or at least that was my reaction hahaha 😂
@@newguysgarage6802 that little motor said if u want to feel big cam I gotcha covered for free lol
@@phantom_of_the_pines lol 😂
Did the vibration go away after revving it up my friends f250 does it at idle only
I guess the car I may get needs a balancer. Is that near the breaks?
Its at the front of the engine
Note the name: harmonic "balancer"
Damper in the rest of the world.
Well its held on by "standard" bolts so its a balancer lol 😆 🤣 😄
When I rebuilt my 4.0L V6 at 150K because of a shudder, the harmonic balancer was shot. Inner and outer separated. Big surprise.
I had to learn that the hard way too. Had me stumped for a minute.
Wow it's almost like... it's designed to balance something...? Wow crazy thought.
Now what would cause that to go bad. I look for your answer please
50 plus years.. and oil leak soaking the rubber and eventually breaking the rubber out of it. 🙃
Change your Crank seal and do a repair kit on the front of the crank about too
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Im just building this to replace it lol
I think this is the issue with my dodge journey. Started out of no where.
Definitely could be, try to move it and see if its loose lol
I think the answer lies somewhere in your statement.
The harmonic balancer is a moving part of the engine
Not in that direction lol
FLUIDAMPR will put it back in the game
I had a Dakota dig a trench in the timing cover
When the front seal leaks for 20 years this usually happens.
Stop that oil leak. Oil will eat those and any rubber parts
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Gonna stop it with this lol 😆
Fix your oil leak as well it's probably soaked in oil and degraded the rubber
harmonic balancer bushings
An engine or a motor?
They have that rubber bushing on the 302 and some 289's and they will break also
Just like a Chevy balancer. The fords don’t suffer that problem nearly as often. That looks like it was saturated in oil, which softened the rubber over time.
Maybe you should take a look at the oil leaks
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Whats the point lol 😆
Can this cause a knock sensation also???
3.8L V6 Buick motors in our Commodores were bad for doing this 🤣
My car probably has this issue. 🥲.
That wood due it😅
I knw that as soon as you said car was shaking. When you get it apart you'll find it's actually a two piece harmonic balancer.
Ya the rubber was gone lol 😆
@@newguysgarage6802 yup very common. Replaced a bunch.
introducing the new and unimproved harmonic imballancer.....(tool time man call).
Brooo.... Those suck ass to fix. Mine separated and slide back into my cover plate... Was leaking oil for weeks cuz I couldn't figure it out. 2001 dodge ram 1500. Fixed it though lol...
It is supposed to move! Just not that much ; )
Can anybody put in on what it would feel like if this was wrong? Would it shake the whole time the car is idling or only when driving?
It violently shook the car! Got worse with RPM obviously lol 😆
Oh no man they come like that from the factory LOL
I just replaced mine and still have vibration…wtf? 1980 ford 302. Vibration in park. Driving down the road, not so much.
Is it better than what it was before you replaced it?
Because it could have destroyed that front barring being out of balance like that and cause it to still vibrate 🤔
My engine shakes the whole car when I rev it I'll check that.will it shake if the transmission and the engine are supposed to be bolted a certain way
The transmission can only be bolted up one way because it is lined up with dowels that are taking most of the force.
Does it shake in neutral / park and drive, or only in drive, or only in neutral / park?
@@newguysgarage6802👍
It's got to be a FORD .
So much tourqe it ripped the rubber out of it!
.......lol
harmony,
Oil soaked,,, Ain't it just ain't it 😎
Crank snout too
it's always the first part overlooked when people build a performance motor you ever see a balancer wobble loose and shoot through a radiator scared of f****** s*** out of you
Please listen to what You said, then repeat about five times? Do You realize the two mistakes?
My 91 thunderbird sc sheered keyway on crank. Aluminum balancer! WTF!🤯 Supercharged engine. So blower. Aluminum balancer. Recipe for disaster.
Typical. Rubber in the dampener gives out !!
Yep lol
I eat balancers and once split the hub after rolling the crank. $3000 later, back in business.
Out of harmony
🤯
Looks like a oil leak dissolved the rubber!!! More than just a bad balancer!!!!
No longer in Harmony!😉
that'll donit.
what else shakes violently? 😅
Been there, done that
Nope, that’s on you.
DAAMMMMNNNNN
"And I can't figure out why" check this out.
Yep......found out real quick once I grabbed it lol 😆
That would have been my FIRST check
Hindsight is 20/20 lol 😂
Fluid dampener...!
Yeah one of those FLUIDAMPR
Been there and done that before lol 😆 it's a crazy shack lol
Right! Violence lol
Yeah it’s a easy fix though
Need some balancing fluid
I knee it before you said it had that happen before
It wad violence unleashed! Shook the entire car with me in it 😆
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If i did not already have this in the works i would be putting new bearings in her.
Hahaha true!
When they look better than they r wats under the paint a hole
Yup lol 😆
Luckily it's an easy job.
Verry easy 😁
Could be fixed with a few squirts of WD-40.
It happens with age
Well I guess those little things actually do serve a purpose? Lol
Turns out...yup lol 😆
What caused that? Poor materials?
50+ years caused that lol
Rubber just worn out over time.
Quite often oil saturation from years of leaks will break down the rubber
I guess its time to sell that thing and buy a Chevrolet.
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No way!
Last chevy i had was cursed lol 😆
you may wanna check your bearings
I really dont,
Dont go looking for trouble because then you'll find it lol 😆
My first guess was correct.
How to fix it?
Get a new damper lol
What is that 😢
That will do it
Keep it from shaking
I've seen it before on a 5liter Ford
New one to me