Grant Palmer An insider's view of Mormonism
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- Documentary on Grant Palmer. Grant was employed by the LDS Church as a Church Education System (CES) teacher for 34 years and retired in 2001. He has published 3 books on Mormonism and has been very instrumental in revealing little-known truths about Mormonism's history. Explore his views on Mormon history and his personal beliefs.
What a fantastic man... Real integrity and transparency.... So opposite of LDS inc..... I wish Grant well on his journey... He will be missed but never forgotten.
He is at an age where it doesn't matter what the church thinks of him. He is obviously well respected, has a deep knowledge of the BOM. That said, anytime anyone questions anything about a religion they get bombarded. THAT is not healthy, questions are healthy. Whatever people decide is their "truth" let it be, no religion is perfect (but Mormon(ism). I thank this man for his courage and know he will be with God in a wonderful place. Love thy neighbor as thyself. We will be judged by the way we treat others, not by the judgment of man.
@@indigogal2010 what? The last two sentence mean the same thing
Dave Norman you had to have the last word, take it you said nothing.
Google ''Book of Abraham pt 1 (Why Egyptologists are wrong) youtube''. It shuts the stupid anti-Mormon crowd right up.
@@richardholmes7199 This is one man’s view vs the knowledge of one mans lifetime of research.
After 42 years of high active as a Mormon, I see how you look for anything to keep your beliefs “true”. Maybe by listening, you’ve allowed yourself to be open to “facts”.
The truth has set Grant free - thanks for this great video.
Maxwell Silverhamer, Amen! Praise God!
Maxwell Silverhammer and right into the prosperity gospel heresy
@@nasticanasta Nonsense.
I loved this. What a lovely man and a true Christian. RIP Grant.
It was your work and research that has helped me discover my peace. As a Mormon [now former], many questions I had remained unanswered, the dots were all over the place. You helped connect them and now it all makes sense because of your wonderful work. R.I.P Grant Palmer, you are a good man.
Grant, as one with a Doctorate in Theology and psychology and as a clergyman who has spent over 30 years of studying Mormonism, no author or teacher has had a greater impact on my view of Mormonism. Most importantly, you have come to know the true Jesus Christ who will escort you from this life to that place he has prepared for you. I look forward to meeting you beyond the veil. May God bless you. Thank you for your courage in preparing for new life and sharing your wonderful testimony. Like many, God has deeply blessed me from your teaching and example. Thank you from the bottom of my heart. Abundant Blessings, Father Jeffrey M. Dire
"beyond the veil"...very Mormon phrase.
Read my comment on Palmer above. You are not quite in the same boat, but as nearly, since general hypocrisy includes religiohypocrisy as well as psychohypocrisy.
+Jeffrey Dire..... Amen Father. I am a former Mormon and Grant Palmer is truly a good and honest man. He is now hated by the Mormons and loped into being an "anti - Mormon". His knowledge is a real threat to the Mormon Church, and so it should. Many of us love this man because Grants hard work as a researcher has revealed truth, truth about Joseph Smith, truth about the culture and thinking of the Mormon, truth about Christ. I love this man.
Jeffrey Dire Amen!
You Republicans wanna get your ass kicked? I’ve been putting Republicans in the hospital for years!!!!!
Still helping people all these years later! A true legend!
Yeppers 💞 ❤️💞
God bless you Grant .
The incomparable Grant Palmer
I think he is a great man.
Grant ,just want to say thank you, for courage and knowledge that you shared with us.
Here is a man who put his money where his mouth is! This is a death-bed testimony which carries more weight in any court trial than any other testimony! Thank you, Grant, for your sincerity See you on the other side!
I love this man. The world lost a great man.
Bless you for explaining these things with your in depth knowledge. We all need to understand this. I am so impressed with your words. I wish that you were not ill with horrid cancer - dealt with it too. Best wishes!
Thank you so much Mr. Palmer. You have helped me tremendously with your research. Thank you so much for sharing and God bless you.
Thank you for your words.
I thought about you brother when I started watching this video. Hope you're well Amigo. Talk soon!
I left Mormonism saying to myself, "Who have I been praying to all these years?"❤
Grant, your work is epic, but most important you offer a witness for the true christ, thank you. We have transistioned from lds jesus to the jesus of the gospels and found it to be free and abundant. God bless you.
Thank-you so much for this interview. I appreciate so much what Grant experienced, it mirrors mine in many ways. My first Contrary to Mormonism Book was Grant's Mormon Origins. Like Grant, Jesus was my life changer. Grant's books validate my experiences. Thank-you Grant for all you have done.
Glad you left. You saved us the trouble of throwing you out.
I am Sorry for you. Living a bitter and acrimonious existence is the choice you make. I've made my choice, it is sweet and delicious. God Bless You!
John Lee,
And the truth will set you free....by the way what authority do you have to remove members? I'm guessing your a powerless, middle aged, white man who is threatened by knowledge and reason...I don't think you will live a short or long life bitter, no, I think you'll stuff your head back in your ass and feel very content in the darkness.
Have a beautiful life!
What does my race have to do with anything in your sick and twisted world? My age?...Boy your bigotry is showing. Maybe you don't mind that. I'm a Native American Mormon and I resent your liberal retreat into identity politics and condescension. I'm guessing Trump is anathema to you and your ilk.
John Lee He's probably assuming since Mormons for many years believed whites were the superior true race of the Mormons Jesus. But You're right race has nothing to do with it. You're a d*** regardless of what race you are.
RIP brave soul! Very brave, smart and I will always appreciate and miss him!
Beautiful interview with Grant. Thank you for sharing!
A great interview! Grant is an honest man and certainly put more than his big toe into the arena of religion. I'm impressed that he saw how Buddhism was so similar to Christianity. If you go to the essence of all the great world religions, you find the same thing. He mentions Baha'i in Indonesia being Hindu. Baha'i actually is an independent religion even though it originated in Iran and has its world spiritual and administrative center in Israel. I actually discovered Baha'i in Salt Lake City and have been an enthusiastic believer ever since. There was a Baha'i in Utah at that time named Kenneth Dean Stephens who was from a Mormon pioneer family. He was like Grant in his honesty and willingness to put way more than his big toe in. He got his Masters degree in religious studies in Chicago to prepare himself to teach at Mormon religious institutes. He taught comparative religion at BYU for a period also. He was brought before a heresy trial because of his expanding view of religion and ultimately became a Baha'i.
My feeling is that if you really want to understand the truth of religion, you need to look at religion on a world scale. There's a reason why, when you wade through the differences in culture, language and historical context, there's a remarkable sameness. It's like teaching children at different stages of maturity. You teach what they need and can understand at their particular stage of development. This is a good metaphor for humanity as a whole. The "my religion is better than yours" sounds a lot like "my race is better than yours". We should get beyond this. It's time.
Very well said thank you
Baha'i is a cult!
So touched by the Honestly of this pure Of the heart Fair Truthful man! You are an inspiration to us all 🙏🏽 God Bless you Rest in Peace our friend 😘💕🙏🏽 XXXXXX
Never give up. I am grateful to Grant Palmer for his work and wisdom.
Incredible insight and understanding on a touchy subject that is painful to be examined. Thank you
Grant Palmer is one of the people who made his life truly count...What he did with his time here is still helping people - and his works will go on benefiting others for a long, long time...His actions, quite literally, echo on in eternity for the souls he helped guide to the Light.
Being raised Mormon and converting to Christianity later, I used to wonder why God lets Mormonism happen to people...but I think I've figured it out...To expose Mormonism and help Mormons see the truth, a person really needs a deeper understanding of it. You need to know their books, know their doctrines, know their "prophets". You HAVE to know their beliefs inside and out - and only with those tools can you effectively witness to Mormons. God puts people like Grant Palmer in that cult, but He pulls them out before it's too late and uses them to help others...I'm constantly impressed by Mr. Palmer, and look up to his example of being a warrior for truth.
God bless Ex-Mormons! God help the Mormons!
Thank you Grant. Yes. Reading your books has helped open my eyes. You also helped to refocus me on the Jesus of the New Testament. I read the New Testament after I read your second book. Thank you.
On the "Golden Pot": Joseph Smith is known to have read the Quran, and the early Mormon story is very similar to early Islam; chillingly so.
How so?
@@maxfrank13 Islam with the Quran predates Mormonism by
a twelve hundred years at least. I have mixed and spoken with
Freemasons who claim that reading - The Quran, Bible & Gita is
essential for their studies. Surprising to know that many
Americans are ignorant to their "True History" !!
I noticed this as well when I read of Islam,the Quran and their Prophet . It's really fun & interesting to study religious beliefs within different cultures aroundthe world . 📚❤📖
@@maxfrank13an angel of the lord coming and delivering the true message of God, God telling this new prophet the bible has been corrupted and needs a new truth revealed only through this prophet. Who then goes on to sanction polygamy in God's behalf. Closely following a twisted version of the law of Moses, completely misunderstanding Jesus and removing him from the divine nature of God..... ,very very similar to Islam
Thank you for being you. You have changed my future and I am eternally greatfull. God has made this possible and your courage is to keep going forward to tell the truth. The internet has opened up the truth in all things.
I have such high regard for Grant Palmer. His ultimate goal was to find and share the truth and then he stood by that truth with integrity. Grateful for those three books🤍
Thank you Grant Palmer!
Well ... sounds like Joseph went off the deep end and he had it coming. What a great man with a purpose.
I appreciate Grant so much. I wish terribly that he was still here.
Absolutely beautiful...I needed to hear that message.
God speed💞💞💞💞💞💞
Thank you Grant for helping me open my eyes.
Atheists, Devout Mormon's gave this thumbs down! It's a shame too, my cousin said some really great things! proud of him! see you in the after life Grant as we'll see our other relatives as well.
GOD BLESS YOU.
thank god for this man and his work
The truth always comes out.
Excellent interview.
I'm in love with his book ! I currently read it and the points are so easy understanding and looks like it was always there in front of my eyes !
I forgot where i read or heard it, but once grant mentioned that a member took 11 questions in and asked the stake president to answer them. Are these questions in his book or written anywhere? Thank you
What an awesome, beautiful man!
Interesting man. I'm glad he left this life with peace.
People have discovered that section 132 wasn't added until almost 50yrs after JS died. Section 101 from the original 135 D&C and I believe the Book of Commandments.
I'm still learning there was so much corruption in the early church and it continues on today.
I know that BY was wicked and disgusting. I'm still learning and trying to figure out JS. In the current D&C it states that the church is under condemnation since it's inception. It's all right there.
I've decided, now that I don't need to know all these things, but that I need to learn how to come closer to Christ. I've had amazing spiritual experiences and it's been wonderful. I'm grateful for my learning journey.
I decided it doesn't matter what these people have or haven't done as long as I can come closer to God and teach my children to do so as well.
We don't need a go between between us and Christ. Christ is THE way He is the mediator He is the one who stands at the gate and employs no other servant there!
R.I.P Brother Palmer ... and thank you for showing us truth.
Beautiful interview and tribute. I'm so glad that he knew the REAL JESUS and now he's in heaven. I'm not Mormon, but I truly enjoyed this interview.
This is my favourite Palmer Video. I never saw the problem with the Smith / Moroni type testimony of knowing all things by feelings !!!
A Hero.
Yes, undoubtedly so.
It was really cool of him to keep trying to help people, even at that time. God Bless.
A great and BRAVE man.
In my take on the gospel the important thing is a true love of God and love others as yourself and doing the works that demonstrates sincerity.
Love 💖 his testimony of Jesus at marker 15.
@14:34 does anybody know which talk he's referring to? Thanks
It’s 2021 and I still say RIP. Thanks for sharing your personal feelings and knowledge learned in your successful life. You were a trailblazer and I’m grateful for you.
I’ve just listened to this again. I remember my deceased husband telling the story Grant shared about Winston Churchill speaking when he said “Never ever ever give up!”
If I remember correctly, my husband shared this speech from his graduation from the USNA Class of 1967. It guided my husband throughout his life. Thanks for sharing and placing a peaceful smile on my face.
A beautiful testament of a brilliant researcher who had a wonderful testimony of the real Jesus Christ. Worth the watch for anyone who is the least bit curious about their faith in the Mormon, Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints faith.
Why do Latter-day Saints deny Christ and say he is a created being the brother of Lucifer?
Jesus Paul, Peter and John all gave the same message on testimony ! That’s the best message to give to your Mormon friends.
Well worth a listen.
Can I use this for another video
I miss him♥️
Great man.
He passed away about one month after this video was posted on CZcams en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grant_H._Palmer
I have found my path through The Great gospel of John, given through Jakob Lorber, 1840 through 1864, which is in total agreement with the accepted scriptures, but with much more detail. This writing covers the ministry of Jesus the Christ in great detail almost hour by hour.
I too wasn’t angry when Mormonthink revealed the facts to me. Had been inactive for a decade. Why? I knew the true nature of Mormonism. When my dad abandoned our prosperous perfect family in favor of partying and adultery, the leaders and ward blamed it on my sweet devoted Mother. He didn’t pay a dime to his wife and 7 kids, bought a Benz and a bachelor pad, started donging any lady willing. Hearing bishops say “he must have left for some reason”
Seeing leaders tell “yer dad is awesome” stories to my destitute grieving mother was eye opening. Mormon kids wouldn’t play w us or date us. I know, if I heard this I’d think “ must be more to the story” but there isn’t. Mom had 3-4 jobs and ladies in our wealthy ward mocked her for giving out samples at grocery store, her 4 TH job on weekends. She never went after him for $, he owed 150k. Courts would have garnished wages, she didn’t wanna embarrass him. Our ward treated her like Typhoid Mary. Moving to a poor ward helped a bit. It was the most unchristian behavior I could ever imagine.
So sincere...wow！
what a man,
Hmmm are YOU a mormon?????
History books are written by those with opposing views, usually, and are left to glean from them what we can, Abraham took Isaac up the mountain to kill him with a knife ....to us in the 21st century would this be seen as logical? probably not ! wouldn't some of us question....of course we might ....is this man any different ? he sees that jesus shows tough love to the disobedient, this is hard for many to understand .. but it is clear he knows god's love isn't that worth knowing? Church leaders say stay in the ship zion even if the waters seem rough, we may get wet, even if we fail,we will ALL inherit; I would still nail my love for Christ to the mast as did joseph smith
I cannot understand why my reply was censored......
A hero if there ever was one
Wonder what he knows now?
Rest in peace mr Palmer.
Is this available on DVD?
At General Conference, the speakers quote the current "prophet" and previous "prophets" more than they quote Jesus.
Look up NEMO the Mormon 🤣 English guy he just posted today a group in Europe of former & (we were called "JacMormons" like the Jacobites) still on the rolls but not weekly present at church.
I am revisiting these videos, my interest is partially because of hearing AVOW members with beliefs that are hard to accept.
Jesus said, "Because I live, ye shall live also." Jesus said, I am the resurrection and the life! For God so loved the World that he gave his only begotten son, that whosoever beliveth in me should not perish, but have everlasting life."
I MISS HIM 😢 he told the truth about Jesus Christ Our Savior. Knowing he personally as your best friend. He has grace to compassion for all who asked him 🙏 ❤️
I like the Gospel Jesus. Bye bye Mormon Jesus !
He speaks the truth,I miss him 😢
Honest, brave man. One correction. It was briefly mentioned that Baha’i is Hindu. This is inaccurate. The Baha’i Faith is an independent world religion that claims to fulfill the expectations of the Bible, the Muslim prophecies a as well as Buddhist and Hindu prophecies.
Beautiful man
GOD IS MISSING ONE O TO BE GOOD. WE DESERVED TO WORSHIP A REAL GOOD ONE. THY HAVE THE O FOR POWER BUT LACKS THE O FOR LOVE.
Tough one. I've been wondering about the Church, besides the nice feelings and the prayers. On the one hand, there are great revelations like the word of wisdom, restablishment of the priesthood and ordinances, proclamation to the world (before all the gender issues began to spread), patriarchal blessings containing a lot of personal elements the patriarch couldn't have guessed, personal revelations and blessings, details in the scriptures like Melchizedek or the urim and thummim, but on the other hand, all these issues addressed by Grant Palmer. So what's the deal? Was Joseph a con artist and he used Jesus for his personal success, taking advantage of others and possibly putting his own soul at risk? How did he get so many ideas? It's hard to believe all this comes from a man. To me it's either what it claims to be (and no man could see God and live, so they had to be transfigured when they saw the Lord in the temple, same as Moses or Joseph during his vision, so I don't have a problem with the fact that they didn't see the holy beings with their own natural eyes), or it's a very serious problem, more serious than the interview suggests. Because if the church is not what it claims to be, all this organization and set of beliefs are in my view too much to have come from men (it goes beyond what most religious sects preach), so yeah, the other possibility is that it could come from Satan, and that's a pretty big one...
All the answers to your questions about how Joseph Smith came up with his “spiritual ideas” are in Grants first book: Mormon Origins.
Just because something is too good to be true does not mean it’s true. I was very active Mormon, including RS President, for 42 years. Finally, I’ve allowed myself to hear something beyond “my own testimony”. Best wishes.
I must say... i want that chair. So sick. Also awesome documentary
Send this to your Mormon friends and associates as, 'The Dying Words Of A Mormon Historian'
They need to figure out what the older folks said "God gave you TWO years & ONE mouth so you can listen AND hear twice as much. Better to be silent & be considered a fool than to open your mouth & remove all doubt.
I was a Muslim woman in 2011 and had a vision in front of the Kirtland Temple. It led me to be a Mormon for 6+ years. I'm in the process of leaving the church now because the modern church "management" engages in the punishment of victims. I feel like they essentially tried to punish me for being "raped". I won't put up with it.
Now you're a muslim woman?...What a true troll. Have fun, you waste of flesh.
You were a muslim and became mormon because a "vision"... the bible says "don't trustyour heart cause is deceitful"... you should trust the bible and not your visions.
I have returned to Islam. The real issue is that the Mormon management does not actually believe in the Jesus that they preach.
So NOW you're concerned with upholding Mormon standards? Yawn...a troll obviously.
Finally sent in that resignation letter? What an absolute waste of humanity you are. You lie as easily as the rest of us breathe. You're not really fooling anybody.
The restorationist themes expressed in Mormonism came from Sidney Rigdon, who had previously been a preacher in the American Restoration Movement (Stone/Campbell), which predated the Mormon Movement in the early 1800's. The American Restoration Movement was not Mormon at all but was a trans denominational movement in early American Christian circles dedicated to a return to a primitive Christian model as a solution for the dilemma of sectarian Christianity, which it's divisive nature was deemed to be antagonistic with Christian teaching in the New Testament. The ecumenism of the American Restoration Movement didn't work, of course, but it did foster an interest in the return to the primitive church, which remains until this day.
My great great g'father was Joseph Bates Noble. Sure your fathers and mine knew each other.
Rest in peace dear friend.
What about SIN?! He doesn't say sin one time? It is not an "experiment" it is realizing you are a sinner,,repenting of your sin and doing the great exchange ...give Jesus your sin,he paid for on the cross, believe Jesus was raised from the dead.then you receive Jesus' righteousness. That is the Gospel. Mormons do not have the true Jesus of the Bible. Only the JESUS OF THE BIBLE can save you! NOT "9 QUALITIES OF JESUS",! YES YOU MUST BE BORN AGAIN, but he is not clear, he is all over he place?? JUST READ THE BIBLE NEW TESTAMENT AS A CHILD. REPENT AND TURN TO JESUS BEFORE IT IS TOO LATE.
mary poppins He isn't preaching, he's explaining the research that led him to understand that Joseph Smith was a fraud.
beyond understanding i prefer understanding and the bible is so confuse now days!
The Bible says I am the Way, the Truth, and the life, no man cometh unto the Father, but by me! Jesus did teach on hell! He said "the wicked shall be turned into hell, and all nations that forget God." "Except a man be born again he shall not see the kingdom of God." That Book of Nephi is a novel! None of that is true, so that is why the Mormons are so confused! It is blasphemy to say that the devil is Jesus brother. He was a fallen angel! A created being! Jesus is the 3rd person of the triune God. The Father, Son and the Holy Spirit. These three are one.
Read the Bible! It is the living word of God! Read it like a child who believes. It you seek, you will find! Jesus said, him that cometh unto me, I will in no wise cast out! Jesus came to seek and to save those who were lost!
Broke free of the newer myth but never from the older one. Indoctrination is a hell of a thing.
As a non mormon I have always wondered if perfected man becomes a God of his own planet ( According to their belief), why wasnt Jesus ever made a God of his own planet but remains a Son of God on this one.?
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I'm a Mormon.
It's uplifting when we can convince others that how we think and feel is correct and fosters personal happiness.
But no one likes what I have to say about the church.
And I'm not out to be liked.
I believe the Scriptures not man.
And if something is taught that can't be verified by Scripture think twice about believing it.
I understand why so many people are leaving the church.
Many false doctrines exist causing countless videos mocking Mormonism.
False doctrines like Mormons becoming gods of their own planets, Adam helped create the earth, Christ and Satan are brothers all of which no Scripture verifies.
And many are leaving the church because if you don't fit the mold the church leaders sculpture you're not a part of the click.
Mormons believe the church leaders over Scripture.
The zealous believers have the church leaders in mind with everything thing they think say and feel testifying to impress others how much they believe the current church leaders are God-inspired.
But the Scriptures reveal the church leaders are the problem with the entire planet.
For example,
in 2 Thessalonians chapter 2 we are informed of a person revealed as the son of perdition.
This son of perdition sits in the temple of God making himself God or above all that is called God.
Therefore, if the Mormon church is the only true church, and I believe it is and will back that belief using the Scriptures, then the only person 2 Thessalonians chapter 2 could be talking about is the current Mormon prophet.
For what other church is the one and only true church with temples?
And Joseph Smith taught a son of perdition can only be a church member holding all the rites of God's priesthood and using the priesthood against God as did Judas.
Therefore, who else other than the current Mormon prophet could the apostle Paul be speaking of?
It's as plain as the nose on a face.
And even God in the Doctrine and Covenants tells us about the current church leaders and how displeased He is saying the end of this world will begin among them. (D&C 112:23-26)
And the current Mormon prophet is the son of perdition because he has all the saints believing God our Heavenly Father was created by a being greater than Himself. (Hebrews 6:13)
Therefore, the son of perdition has all the saints breaking the first commandment God gave Moses, Thou shalt have no other gods before me.
Does it make sense to reasonable thinking that God would command we have no other gods before Him but really there are?
Does He not want us to know this?
There’s a reason He commanded to have no other gods before Him.
Because by believing in false grandpa gods the saints believe our God is an infinitely lesser God putting Lucifer before God.
And the moment we put a god before our God, our God becomes an infinitely lesser God.
Not only that, our God also becomes a liar.
He and the Scriptures says He is the greatest of all.
He and the Scriptures says He is the Most High God.
He and the Scriptures say He created all things.
And in the Scriptures He says over and over there are no gods beside Him. (Isaiah 44:6) (Isaiah 44:8) (Isaiah 45:22) (Hebrews 6:13)
Therefore, the saints believing there are gods before Him is the saints believing the son of perdition or the current Mormon prophet over the Scriptures and God calling Him and the Scriptures a lie.
And Isaiah warns,
Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter! (Isaiah 5:20)
The saints call the son of perdition (President Nelson) good and good (Jesus Christ) evil.
Because President Nelson says Christ and His Father are liars.
President Nelson says Christ did not create all things. (John 1:1-3)
Matter/energy cannot be created or destroyed the scientists say therefore the son of perdition or President Nelson says the grandpa gods created these calling Christ and the Scriptures a lie.
Well did Abinadi warn the wicked king Noah and his priests,
Have ye taught this people that they should observe to do all these things for to keep these commandments? (Mosiah 13:25)
I say unto you, Nay; for if ye had, the Lord would not have caused me to come forth and to prophesy evil concerning this people. (Mosiah 13:26)
And what is the commandment Abinadi taught that the people do not obey?
Thou shalt have no other God before me. (Mosiah 12:35)
Know ye not that I speak the truth? Yea, ye know that I speak the truth; and you ought to tremble before God. (Mosiah 12:30)
Just maybe… the Book of Mormon is not scripture? True facts are not necessarily anti-Mormon propaganda.
Grant was NOT excommunicated from the Church. He is a member.
Why do you call him anti-Mormon simply because he believes differently from you based on evidences he’s found? His opinions are based on his facts found in history vs your “feelings” and your personal interpretation of scripture.
Try putting your Mormon ego aside for a moment and read Grant’s first book called Mormon Origins. If reading a book doesn’t work for you, then maybe scan the CES LETTER online at CES letter.com for less than 100 printed pages of evidences presented in LDS published materials.
Please do yourself a favor, like this very active church membership for 42 years elderly sister (I could have been your RS President!), and allow yourself to set your Mormon ego aside for less than one day to look at the evidence - some found in the President’s Vault in Salt Lake City. The real “truth” exists if you allow yourself to look.
Best wishes.
@@gailcapshaw397 I don’t what you are accusing me of I said nothing about Grant and I don’t say he is anit-Mormon.
Where did you get that?
And what make you say I go by feelings?
I go by the Scriptures and just maybe the Book of Mormon is not Scripture but all logic and reason including the spiritual, guides me to believe the Book is true in accordance with the Bible.
And just as you said to me, “the real truth exists if you allow yourself to look” works both ways if that if you really are a truth seeker you would sincerely read the Bible and the Book of Mormon and believe what is spoke by Ezekiel in chapter 37 saying the Bible and Book of Mormon would come forth.
CES Letters and Grant’s books will not tell me if the words of the Bible and Book of Mormon hold truth only by reading can one make that decision.
Very nice, Grant Palmer. At least for me, the best part of getting out of Mormonism was getting out of Christianity and from underneath Jesus and "the atonement."
Not even in a manger.
Thanks for leaving...we would have thrown you out eventually.
Actually, I still love my Mormon and Christian family and friends and often attend their churches for the music and the laughter of children and some nostalgia, and for funerals. Plus, I always leave some pretty good material and references in the song books. My coming or going or leaving has no bearing on the reality - Jesus is dead and not coming back.
Have yourself Shabbot Shalom... : )
Another weak brick removed...awesome!
The Mormon church, of course, issues essay after essay precisely because they know their own position is weak - therefore "doubt your doubts, and follow the leader regardless lest you listen to Satan, and our evidence is so weak that you actually really need a burning bosom."
And they know that Mormons who leave the Mormon church are not "weak" but, rather, serious, honest, curious and informed. Hence, their predictable, standard 'shame & blame' game. And preaching fear to their flock.
And the TBM sheep indulge self-consciously farcical and childish self-validation by mouthing "weak, weak brick, and awesome."
Of course, one has to also remember that the weakest parts of Mormonism aren't anything unique to Joseph Smith (or Sidney Rigdon or Oliver Cowdery, etc), but, rather, the belief that Jesus died for their sins, and that the Bible is reliable history and the word of a god.
Wow now I know why God took out Joseph. He was a very dangerous man
Even the very elect will be deceived, point in case…
Anyone interested in what the Bible says about the afterlife? Then read this in order, and pay close attention to what it says.
“Jesus saith unto her, Thy brother shall rise again. Martha saith unto him, I know that he shall rise again in the resurrection at the last day. Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:” John 11:23-25
“Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.” John 5:28-29
“For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:” 1 Thessalonians 4:16
Did you catch what this says?
1) You are in the grave until the resurrection.
2) There will be 2 resurrections. The resurrection of life, and the resurrection of damnation.
3) The saved will come up in the resurrection of the last day.
4) Jesus is our resurrection meaning He will resurrect us.
5) Jesus will speak and those in the graves will be resurrected.
6) This first resurrection takes place when Jesus returns.
“For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten.” Ecclesiastes 9:5
“The dead praise not the Lord, neither any that go down into silence.” Psalm 115:17
“Otherwise it shall come to pass, when my lord the king shall sleep with his fathers, that I and my son Solomon shall be counted offenders.” 1 Kings 1:21
“For David, after he had served his own generation by the will of God, fell on sleep, and was laid unto his fathers, and saw corruption:” Acts 13:36
“Men and brethren, let me freely speak unto you of the patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried, and his sepulchre is with us unto this day. For David is not ascended into the heavens: but he saith himself, The Lord said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand,” Acts 2:29,34
“No one has ascended to heaven but He who came down from heaven, that is, the Son of Man who is in heaven.” John 3:13
1) The dead do not know anything.
2) The dead don’t praise the Lord.
3) The condition of the dead is silence.
4) Death in the Old Testament was commonly described as sleeping with their fathers. Death is a sleep.
5) David when he fell asleep the last time, was laid with his fathers.
6) David’s bones were still in the sepulcher. This was proof enough that he had not yet ascended to heaven.
7) Jesus told us that nobody had ascended to heaven.
Conclusion. We sleep in the grave when we die, in a silent, unconscious state, until Jesus returns and speaks to those in the grave and they are resurrected at that time.
There were some very off kilter that were incorrect. I wanted to really find some truth, so in doing so, you have to confirm statements. Sometimes they are quite opinionated. in his interview I picked up on some judgmental words that were used to describe some of the doctrine being exposed. I read quite a few of the standards he mentioned and didn't take ling to see some things weren't quite as he mentioned. Unfortunately I was bummed to still be confused about the truth, but I know it wasn't here.
Jennifer, what things "weren't quite as he mentioned"?
Jennifer, and what things did you find that he got right?
Confused is a good first step. I wish you peace of mind and abundance on earth.
This is what Christianity looks like when you don't have someone at the top of a man-made hierarchy telling you "my way or the highway!" And the antithesis of where all that animus comes from when folks object to organized religion.
Yea...And They Layout in the Sun to get Dark
Reading The Holy Bible , acknowledgement of our
Almighty Creator God and accepting the sacrifice at the cross of our Savior and Lord Jesus Christ
is ALL we need for a satisfying and complete relationship with our gracious GOD .
Mormonism has nothing to add to what God has already given to us !
And as new evidence about the mormon “church” come to light
including science , archeology , DNA
etc and etc , we end up with the
fantasy of the bucket full of holes that could not hold any water.
It is so sad that so many thousands of genuine people have been deceived in such a snakeish way ! !