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How To Shoot A Bow Comanche Style
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- čas přidán 18. 08. 2016
- In this video we demonstrate how to shoot a bow Comanche style.
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Being a Comanche man myself and having some skilled Bow Makers in my family (I unfortunately do not), I have sat and listened to my Grandma's Uncle, the late Carney Saupitty Sr and my dad talk about bows numerous times and how to shoot Comanche style, etc. I was sceptical when I watched this, but you sir have done your homework, and I applaud you in your efforts and taking a interest in our Numunu Culture. Keep it up!
very respectful reply Tennyson,every culture has something unique to offer,we can learn from you about living close to nature.
Instead of verbal learning where your mum/dad....grandma/ grandpa....great grandma/great grandpa etc etc,do you record any old ways for future Native's to follow before its lost....?
I was going to post some thing similar, but yeah as a fellow Numunu this guy is pretty good. He remained respectful to our culture and kept it to what he knew, I always do a side eye when I see these videos but this is a good one.
Maruwa weka pabi
@Wesley Taylor they are left handed
hey my friend much respect I was wondering if you or a family member have the ability to make a bow for me ???? if we could make a deal I'd be grateful , I dont have much money tbh however I will do my best to reach your asking price??
Well done. My grandfather grew up on the Kansas plains and I remember him telling me about Osage bows.
Thank you for sharing. And ill be honest, i clicked on this because i wanted to see if you knew your history. I am Comanche (Numunu), from Anadarko reservation. - Great video. And great shirt.
I've noticed 2 people three years ago asked a question I have, and they have received no response. The question is...What is the average draw weight of a bow such as this?
I think I heard 80 pounds for the Comache bows... I could be wrong.
Thank you!
@@willsk7068 that bow doesn't look like it is 80 lbs.
Maybe 35-40 if you ask me
Thanks for going into the details on this method of shooting. So different from the Euro way. I have a very powerful Jim Hamm Osage Comanche sinew backed bow and arrow set I bought about 30 years ago. Stiff as hell and the arrows don't stay long on the bow either! Love it
Thanks
Nobody was as ruthless or skilled. Amazing people.
Damn that’s interesting!
Came straight from joe’s podcast
same! Had to know more about Comanche bow shooting!
Same!
Same but isnt it the wrong side of the bow?
Proud part Comanche 🤙
Hell yeah!
Maruwa weka numunu pabi
@me Me me too. Did you find any?
This Channel Rules! I am Native and really appreciate you spreading the knowledge.Also sick Opeth shirt in another Video .
Very very interesting. I need to try the technique especially with the left holding hand. Thanks much.
There is a video here on youtube called last great gathering of sioux nation 193something,and u get to see actual lakotas use their technique.i never knew there were so many ways.btw this Comanche style vid is great
When hunting did they also pull and release in one motion or would they pull and hold until the right moment as modern hunters do?
Hee-yaá, bro rocking that Silversmith bracelet.
His technique is spot on that crouch is synonymous with the comanche. Nice tucked elbow lookin sharp
You mean to sit there and claim that the various indigenous tribes did not have cams and 3' long stabilizers and bow quivers? That's just preposterous! lol. Great vid.
Im gonna make my own comanche style bow, cant wait for your tutorial to help me along the way.
Thank you...this is exactly the video I was looking for. I just saw a video by Lars Anderson on how did Comanche warriors shoot so fast. I needed a more close look on how did they hold the bow and draw back the arrow and your video was great. Thank again
How many pounds do draw weight are those bows? Very cool video.
In Kansas where I grew up, Osage was know as the "horse apple tree". Makes a nice hot fire in the wood stoves.
Simple, find a Comanche 🏹😇
I live in the middle of Comanche territory here in Texas. We find lots of old stuff...but leave it for the next hiker to see. Whew...they were awesome warriors back in those days.
Not just Comanche but most Plains tribes and tribes across North and South America used this grip!
I have no reason to doubt u but I wish u could tell me names of books or were u learned that,I m very interested in this stuff.
@@mwolf5895 The book doesn't get into bow craftmanship, but a great book on the Comanches that I just finished reading is "Empire of the Summer Moon", by S.C. Gwynne.
You should be in the Olympics with your bow, and participate in the archery event.
BTW...you are a real craftsman too.
Nice bows!
How about an American Native Olympics? Lacrosse, Canoe races, Hoops and Spears. Archery (of course)
Great video, very clever method of archery, no wonder they were rightly feared.
damn i was just in sedona on a family trip! i love ancient archery! id love to go back and learn about the local history. i love western native bow types and shooting styles
Awesome
Primitive Lifeways, thank you Sir for bringing this kind content to CZcams. Your demonstration is excellent, and I appreciate your sharing skills and techniques that may otherwise never be known to the average person.
Wow! Just recieved "Bows & Arrows of the Native Americans" by Jim Hamm! Thanks for what you are doing. You're a great inspiration!
Thank you! Great book
When I was a kid I naturally held the bow and arrow with the arrow on the right side of the bow. I also naturally held it tight to the bow with my finger like you showed. I could never get the hang of doing it the 'proper' way, on the left. It seemed cumbersome and unnatural to me.
Same here and I naturally came up with this same arrow/string gripping technique as well. Arrow on the right side is a much faster way of shooting as well.
Hello sir, great information. Just curious, where did you learn this information? I’ve always been interested in the Comanches.
Always amasses me to the craftsmanship of the American Indian people, you go a great job, thanks for the share
Great to learn about this, but would you expand your video to explain what the advantages/disadvantages are to this method?
I can try to fit that in.
@@PrimitiveLifeways that would be really interesting.
Hey i wanted to thank you for this vid.. Its helped me quite a bit. In shooting and bow building.
I did want to ask however. What would you say is the max range of these bows for taking deer? My bows average above 50 pounds with draw lengths of ohhh 24 inches.
And im not trophy hunting im aiming for does or smaller bucks under 200 pounds probably
Fantastic video!
Nice short bows! Love that style!!
That bracelet tho....... bad ass!!
I'd also like to hear How their grip is Documented?
Thanks!
Those Comanches were some fearsome warriors. Read somewhere that they could shoot 3 or 4 arrows while the other person was reloading their muzzle loading rifle. Also read they could hang on the side of the horse using it as a type of shield and shoot arrows while hanging off the side of the horse. Pretty remarkable.
Indeed. Great warriors.
we also fired rifles one handed using our horses as a prop
Awesome! Thank you for sharing.
From some pictures I found online, this seemed to be a pretty popular method of shooting it; I've seen pictures of Akimel O'odham from around the early 1900s with the same exact technique! Fascinating.
what length and weight is that bow?
40#
Roughly, what's the draw weights on the bows you were shooting, and what would they likely have shot in their draw weights?
highly encouraged to learn more about your tribal roots if you got them
Thanks well presented and informative, in fact I was waiting for more
Very good
Excellent! Very interesting and exceptionally well presented. Thank You!
Very neat stuff man. I've been experimenting with the Yani way of shooting myself, tricky to get after shooting European style for a long time haha. Great video man.
have you use hickory for a bow built
Thats awesome stuff brother! Great job on your bows and arrow build they look amazing!
great vid! imagine being on the other end of that weapon...
Thanks for the video! I was wondering...what are the draw lengths of these bows?
Awesome video, enjoyed it , well done, best regards from down Under, Tony.
Thanks
They do not pull back on string. They push forward on the bow which is much more effective and efficient.
do u have a video on how you made those bows? and Arrows?
Awesomeness
Great video
Hi. Thanks for the video. How do you avoid the fletching gouging your bowhand index finger upon release?
Yeah a feather through the hand hurts like hell
What is your aiming methodology?
Im Comanche and Apache mix but i like both cultures
Now what about then being able to fire arrows faster than you can blink?
The 2022 movie Prey which is supposed to be ULTRA accurate about 1700's Comanche has the actors butchering bow use. At six minutes and seven seconds in, you can see TWO actors ham fisting the bow draw. They use an unheard of 180 rotated bow draw right hand. The arrow rest is a clenched fist with the left hand. Accurate, my ass!!
I thought the Comanche only cut a slot on the off side of the bow? One string groove on each end???
Awesome.
cool vid thanks! Great craftsmanship on this channel
Really cool In a future video could you make a replica Serrano bow and arrow keep up the great work
Nice turquoise! That sleeping beauty?
This is not as different as I might have though. Shooting over the pointer is natural to me, and fingers under the arrow, too. The pinch thing would take getting used to, but holds the arrow securely against the bow, so I could learn to dig it.
Interesting. I will give that a try. Since I shoot in my back yard I don't think I will shoot from the hip though. Were the Comanches mostly hunting small game?
Robert pendergast buffalo
I see you do not wear a wrist or forearm guard. Is that because of the way you are holding the bow and releasing the arrow?
The bows were very short. The arrows were extremely crude. How they did what they did with them is a bit confusing. The best collection of native American bows is at the "Koshare",pronounced "ko-share-ee" Museum in LaJunta Colorado. They have bows from all over the world used by ancient people. It is an amazing place and worth the trip.
Do you sell plains style arrows?
I looked through the comments below and didn't see anyone ask how long the arrows are. Would you mind giving us a length on them?
that would depend on your draw length and bow length.. typically 23 to 26" since they are only drawn to the chest
How strong were the bows
anybody else notice that cool apache shirt?
I hate auto correct 😕 but you get my drift 😄
You sure they went left side? Reason being that early people crossed from the east over the bearing straights, correct? Eastern peoples tend to use right side. Just wondering.
😁🏹😍
Every small people hunting from hourse back vill use soft and short bows. And the arrow om the right side of the bow( so the arrow dont fell off).
Very interesting video.
I wonder how they were aiming and drawing their bow.
Like you in the video? Basically from the waist.
And at what distance they could hunt or fight. Thank you.
Was wondering the same..wow
Where can I find the locust wood? I live in maricopa county.
You have a floating anchor in front of your chest. Why arn't you drawing to an anchor point?
I find it funny that every video talks about the wood that native Americans used was Osage. Osage is not a native tree. It was used, but not till European settlers came and trade routes were established. The true Native American way of doing things was pre European / Spanish influence. Native tribes used native trees for their bows. Locust, mulberry, hickory, and many other American hardwoods as well as juniper.
Does not mean they didn't use it. You have to separate pre-history from history. Pre-historic people like the Hohokam and Salado would use Oak and Mulberry. When we trees were introduced and brought over, historic people used them.
Primitive Lifeways
Sir, please do not think I am trying to be a jerk. For me, this is just an honest conversation. It is my view that Osage is the best bow wood there is. There is good reason our ancestors used it after it was brought here. It is just my opinion that saying our ancestors used it, so it is traditional, is much like saying that our ancestors used flintlock muskets, and repeating Winchester rifles, so they must be traditional to our people as well. I enjoyed your video, and thank you for putting it up.
So the Indians that used Osage were not native?
Osage orange/bowdark/horse apple trees are native to southern Oklahoma and Texas.
Ummmm,there is an Osage Indian tribe.i assumed they named tree after them,but I never researched it so I don't know
Esse arco é muito rápido muito bom,eu tambem confecciono arcos
what's the draw weight on those bows
Osage Orange bow is 45# and the Locust bow is 40#
+Primitive Lifeways thats cool. I'm trying to make bows like these but l v had trouble getting a heavyer draw
+Ozarkwanderer I've had that problem, try to get the shape established early and tiller earlier and slower and that should help
+Vaughn DuPont (Pelirrojo) l ll try that
Vaughn DuPont hey came across this old comment. Ive got bows in over 40# now. May even take one hunting this year
ever try DMT?
We’re Comanche bows ever recurved like this? All the ones I’ve seen are the standard reflex deflex bows.
What's the easiest bow to make that will last. All I can really find around here is holly so I have to use it and it's so difficult to make bows especially notching for the string
WhiteBoyWithAnIpod This may be late but choose dense, straight staves, go long and wide, put tip overlays and go for a pyramid (straight forward design).
WhiteBoyWithAnIpod mind that you will lose some performance, it’s a trade between efficiency and durability.
WhiteBoyWithAnIpod mind that you will lose some performance, it’s a trade between efficiency and durability.
What bow is that?
Digging your channel! Are you from Prescott, by any chance?
Thanks Zack. Yes I am in Prescott.
+Primitive Lifeways That's awesome! Have you studied with Cody Lundin at all? I took one of his classes in college and it was pretty insightful.
Zack Williams I took a couple of workshops with him. I do talk to him from time to time still. Good guy.
is that a dead animal on the right corner, you shoot it ?
:)
Samurai archers on horseback v commaches
why wont they shout from right side
What was the average draw weight of native American bows
It depends on the region. Native people today are producing heavy weight bows and light weight bows. Pre-historic bows in AZ. were typically 50 pounds. The Nor. Cal bows were about 35 pounds.
I’m Cherokee and Apache
i have a question on a lot of the videos i have seen on primitive bows i notice a lot of people don't string there bows untill they are ready to shoot what is the reason for that i mean why don't you just always keep it strung
Great question! The reason is because if the bow is strung for a long time, the wood starts to follow the string and sets into place. When this happens, the bow loses performance and in some cases, the bow needs re-tillering.
1:53 wouldn't that the tertiary draw like from Indonesia peoples
Easier than a European Bow.... agreed?
Why do you slump/crouch forward when shooting?
You sure they held the arrow on the left of the bow and not the right side like the Mongols and Turks which allowed for faster shooting?
This makes the new Predator movie "Prey" even MORE BS because they're not even handling and shooting their bows the right way
It appeared to have a weak pull I would imagine to kill a buffalo require a lots of arrows.