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The Sad State of Old Anime
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- čas přidán 15. 07. 2022
- Old anime is in a sad state. Eventually it may go extinct entirely. One by one, things get more blurry, lower resolution, & then suddenly you can't even see it anymore. This video is about anime restoration & what it takes to watch really old anime in the first place. I explore the world of anime restoration, including techniques for reconstructing lost media from film, laserdisc, VHS, and more. Discover the amazing efforts being made to preserve classic anime series from the 60s, 70s, and 80s, including Shadar, Mon Chere Coco, and the Super Mario Bros. movie. In this deep dive video, I showcase the techniques and technologies being used to restore lost anime and bring it into the modern era in 4K and 8K resolution. From lost episodes of Doraemon to entire films that have only been captured in a single screenshot, this is the ultimate retrospective on the search for lost anime media. Don't miss out on this exciting exploration of the world of anime restoration, the longest video yet from Kenny Lauderdale in stunning 4K resolution
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My grandfather saved some hundreds years old sheet music and magazines from Germany. They were in damaged library cartons for storage. He redrew sheet music by hand, but didn't complete before his death. Then grandmother threw everything into the dumpster.
Moral of the story, please don't die before you finish.
And don't marry someone who doesn't respect your life's work. Why the FUCK would she do something so heartless?
She threw everything? TF
@@flyingstonemon3564 well, he had all sorts of old soviet books and obsolete partially working electronics nobody wanted at that time, so it wasn't pleasant reminder for her, so she threw away everything at once.
I didn't want to bring this topic with her to avoid scandal
@@evennot I see. I imagined It was likely a person willingly throwing everything to forget someone even if they go as far as disrespecting their wishes, must've been painful for everyone
WTF
People who have lost media but refuse to dump it despite it rotting away is one of the most infuriating things I see on the internet.
They'd deserve to have their legs broken and whatever they're hoarding stolen and uploaded online
They need their addresses released to the public. After that, just wait for the magic to happen
A Noted Enthusiast of Pulp Fiction called Jess Nevins has also been annoyed by the fact that a majority of pulp novels are always hidden in the private boxes of snobbish pulp collectors.
i hate this so much
especially for games, many are like “but it’s piracy!!”
who gives a shit it’s the only copy & preservation is way more important. a huge shame and loss when lost media is found but falls in the hands of someone who refuses to dump it
@@sincostan999 The piracy has nothing to do with it. Those guys are just jerks. Guys like that are thinking. " well I paid 13000 for this anime. Why should I give it away." When a smart guy would ask for donations to recoup his loses. Plenty of fans would pay to see it restored. He is being greedy but getting nothing for his greed.
Collectors are by far one of the MOST enigmatic groups of people.
several of them have been the hero of the story, swooping in with some obscure yet specific piece of media they just happened to find, as was the case with Dinosaur Planet (the N64 game that became Star Fox Adventures)
others are downright the villain, people who will move heaven and earth just so that they can claim a title and prevent others from ever laying hands on that same media, as was the case with the McDonalds training DS (which thankfully got dumped regardless by the second person of that particular tale)
> *everal of them have been the hero of the story, swooping in with some obscure yet specific piece of media they just happened to find, as was the case with Dinosaur Planet (the N64 game that became Star Fox Adventures)*
IIRC wouldn't the not-too-long-ago release of a Sonic the Hedgehog (1991, SEGA GEnesis/MEgadrive) prototype fall into this camp too?
I mean, if your hobby revolves around feeling validated for hoarding shit then I wouldn't expect less of a gollum behavior.
Not speaking about every collector of course, but given how common the locked lost media is because of collectors, it's no surprise.
@@El_Chuchuca To be fair, the longer they keep it the more it's going to be worth and eventually some enthusiastic billionaire might come along handing you a fake check just so they can watch it. It's greedy af but you essentially have a priceless collectible that can't be reproduced and by making copies of it you tank the value to virtually worthless. If you had like an ancient coin and the value of it was just going up year by year you'd probably be hesitant to sell it let alone giving it away for a fraction of the price it's worth...
Yeah I looked into that game he mentioned, it was honestly bizarre how twisted the bidder was into thinking he was not only the good guy but that he was doing the community a favor
tbf, codi wasn't doing it to be a dick, codi was doing it the abide by the law
In Highschool, I had the dubious honor to see what happens when a film stays too long in the light... RIP, Horus, Prince of the sun...
Sigh... 😔😔
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Ironic
Preservation of media is so important. Stuff we take for granted in 2022 might not exist anymore or be extremely hard to find 50 years later if nobody backs up anything. I've actually been thinking of finding a specific type of media to preserve because I hate seeing things like this become lost to time
while that may be true also keep in mind of modern data preservation practices compared 1960. that and we are also living in the age of information with the internet where people are constantly sharing and saving all sorts data
Just steal from already vintage hoarders and share to the public in 20 years
I’ve started doing it when I was kid back in 2014
One time I was doing a school assignment about comparing how advertising methods change over time. And there is one (1) guy on CZcams who uploads thousands of old commercials from the 80s and 90s with exact dates and everything. Nobody cares about a stupid ad when it airs but given time, it becomes cultural knowledge and is worth something to someone.
Preserve your favorite memes, books, uhhh
This made me think of something I heard recently: I don't know if this is true but apparently the earliest example we have of "the butler did it" jokes predates the earliest known murder mystery where the butler actually did it. Which means that presumably there must have been tons of stories where the butler did it, enough for it to become a well known trope that people joked about, that have all been lost.
This is a joke that people still reference regularly, and yet we have no idea what inspired it. Those stories haven't survived.
Yeah i think i only watched a butler being the murderer once in my entire life, so either
a) it's as you said or
b) it was only one case but extremely popular back then
@@GarkKahn bruh you might aswell describe in detail the medium which you talk of.. -🙄
Or in *Star Wars* when people joke about how "Han shot first" in the Mos Eisley cantina. Sure - there may _theoretically_ have been a version where Greedo never shot at Han, but no media currently exists that proves that to be the case.
@@ap4301 I doubt it matches the original film. The earliest major changes to the film were 2 months into it's original run.
Also in interviews leading up to episode 5 everyone seemed to think it would be called Star Wars 2 because the text crawl to the first one hadn't added "Episode 4" yet.
@@atomicdancer There IS an official version of Episode IV on DVD that does include Han shooting first. It was on a bonus disc from a re-release, but it's kind of terrible - it's widescreen, shrunk to fit in 4:3 with black bars at the top and bottom. I think there were some sections in the Despecialized edition that used parts of it that they had upscaled, but they have since found film reels with a lot of those missing sections.
This is precisely why I started a media preservation archive of my own. I've got multiple TBs of movies, tv shows, cartoons, and anime from before I was born, what I grew up watching, and new stuff purely so that I won't lose things that I found precious at one point. The added benefit is that I can share with any friends, family, or strangers so that, in theory, the media keeps propagating and will never fade away. It's not much, but I'm constantly trying to do my part to keep stuff alive.
Now, if I could just find preservationists willing to help find more rare/hard to find things (such as comic books).
You can google and contact anime preservationists to get together online, hell - this might become your new job
For those wondering what the "Domesday" thing is about, it comes from a medieval census made in England in 1066, which William the Conqueror ordered after conquering the place. It was meant to basically tell him the value of his conquest and to know who owned what and how to tax people. Nowadays, it's important as one of the most comprehensive primary resources for scholars of the period, as it details population, food stocks, land ownership, etc. It's thus become a sort of name relating to any big record of a period.
de Normandie
and its pronounced doomsday. I actually have a copy!
@@brdfggh5529 He was also "The bastard" whats your point?
Seeing how much lost media we're aware of from the last 100 years really puts into perspective how much human history is lost period. The fact we have anything from 1000's of years ago is pretty remarkable. Just think of all the stories, paintings, and music that we'll never even know existed. Art pieces that really impacted the people who were alive at the time. Damn.
That's the most depression thing about doing historical research in my opinion. You hear about this book written by an author a thousand years ago via a quote from an author that live a century later whose written got quotes by someone at the medieval times. Getting any actual writing from before the middle ages is exceptionally rare and so much of what we know prior to that time survived through quotations, commentaries or fragments. In some ways the rise of copyright and authorship made preservation harder.
@@khankhomrad8855 Sometimes it can also be sad to see what did survive. For Classical and Roman history there were many scholarly works written about the political events, occurrences, etc. But so much of it was lost, and yet, somehow, through the crisis and burnings and religious upheaval of the Roman Empires collapse that destroyed 90% of their writings and works, through the following dark ages, the fanatic religious burnings of pagan books, Medieval ages, the fall of Constantinople, both world wars, The Historia Augusta survived. A book that straight up makes up 85% of the content written into it and can best be described as the personal propaganda of a deranged man.
The Great Library of Alexandria. 😭😭😭
It's even worse for Greek and Roman paintings. Virtually none survived at all and of the masterpieces we have only some descriptions. And for what is mentioned in written sources, painting was as developed as sculpture and architecture in the classical world.
Can you imagine living in a world where we only know of Raphael, Michelangelo or Rembrandt from some quotations in books? That's our situation with regards to Classical Painting, we know names like Zeuxis, Pahrrasius and Apeles, but not a lot more.
@@marlonbryanmunoznunez3179 It's so tragic. I only learned about encaustic paintings about 7 years ago. A technique lost for 1500 years! I'll never understand how humans seem driven to erase cultures that are different from their own. History and art is life, and life is precious.
An educational anime about fish as a warning against radiation poisoning is literally the most Japanese thing possible.
Well, that’s a pretty damn cool short.
Literally should have done the Godzilla formula for that 💀
Sounds about as American as The Simpsons to me
And then came Junji Ito with GYO! :P
Yeah
In my opinion, the most interesting piece of Japanese lost media has to be “Chikara to Onna no Yo no Naka” from 1933, which is historical for being the first anime with sound. Because of the time it was made, it was most likely printed on nitrate film stock, which is very volatile. No copies are known to survive, but I hope that will change someday, especially since older films have been recovered recently.
It's very likely it was destroyed during world war II
I own a perfect copy sealed in a vacuum chamber, I will hand it to no one! Unless you can give me, one BILLION YEN!
I don't know why my comment got deleted said something like the film likely got destroyed in the bombing of Japan during world war II
@@Fangirl-Nerd12 - That’s unfortunately very plausible
@@SMGJohn pics of the case or you dont.
The 26 episodes count vs 156 is due to the fact that in Japan each episode was really short, only lasting a few minutes each. In Italy they combined several mini episodes into one, hence the lower episode count.
This is why I subscribe to Kenny. "Here's an anime so obscure I had to do a back alley deal with mobsters and go through a legal dispute over. Is it good? Not particularly, but it's kinda neat, and I spent eight months tracking this down and restoring it with methods previously only theoretically possible, so I'm darn well going to share it with you all".
Speaking of methods previously only theoretically possible, there was a lost episode of a British TV show that was found in a warehouse in Nigeria, where the film reel had degraded to the point where most of the layers had fused together.
Being the only known copy, and unable to be unrolled, it was cut into pieces with a laser, then digitally scanned with a DENTAL X-Ray and algorithmically separated and stitched back together.
It was an episode of Morecambe and Wise, if you're curious.
We all have fluffy dreams, yea but most don't chase after them lol
@@DougSalad
Huh, Rare to see cool stuff like this happening in my home country
@@DougSalad That doesn’t even sound real lmao
Me watching the vid* cool story bro I’m going to rewatch black lagoon now
The retro gaming community can be the absolute worst when it comes to hording lost media, you have collectors that refuse to dump a game because it would mean that their copy would "lose value", despite the fact that the prototypes they have are ticking time bombs and will be absolutely worthless when they inevitably fail.
Sad little people who like the petty feeling of power and uniqueness that it gives them.
Release their addresses and just wait
"ticking time bombs"
Heck, the Amstrad GX4000 was released & that console was a ticking time bomb!
The ultimate neckbeards
The french guy who had the lost DS McDonalds game was like that for years until Nick Robinson dumped it
Its not uncommon for materials of that era to be damaged/destroyed/lost/misdubbed etc. Say you accidentally play the wrong audio into the copy and don't wanna get fired so you hide it and when the date comes the real complete copy gets pitched in the fire but "oopsie" version is still on the shelf in the lab 30 years later.
This happened with Dr Who
Its sad to lose pieces of history. It goes to show how easily information can melt away into obscurity.
I can imagine these hoarders (collectors) sitting in their dens surrounded by mountains of lost media, twirling their thin villain mustaches while going "NYE HE HE HE ITS MINE! ITS ALL MIIIINE! NYE HE HE HE HE HEEEEE!"
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
I hope that when those hoarders die, their mounts of lost media are donated to the public
You mean rubbing their hands together and sniffing out of their long large noses?
@@qwertyiuwg4uwtwthn Don't you try anything in this comment section goyim.......
Then they try to watch one of them years later and realize the hundreds or thousands of dollars, pounds, euros, or yen they spent was all wasted now.
Wanna know why a majority of the silent era of movies no longer exist? Everything that Kenny points out is one of the few reasons why, and sadly this is the main one; Fire.
During the 1970s several buildings that held thousands of film reels of movie history went up in flames. A large majority of these hadn’t been transferred over, various films such as Alfred Hitchcock’s second film “The Mountain Eagle” is just gone.
Now some stats half of all American made films before 1950 are gone and 90% of films made before 1929 are gone forever. And 75% of all silent films are also gone, roughly 200 out of over 500 Méliès' films and 350 out of over 1,000 of Alice Guy's films survive. Of approximately the 1,100 films made in India between 1912 and 1931, only 29 of them are known to have survived.
A big fire just a few years ago wiped out a lot of studio copies of the works of popular bands, so even big popular media can be lost that way. All we have now is copies.
That’s so sad 😭
In my country lots of old cartoons were lost due to lack of care (for example the supposedly first cartoon ever made)
Only the really REALLY popular of the last century survive to this day
Fuck fire dude
@@BJGvideos good,modern media makes silent movies look like the best thing in existence
Fun fact: While hamburgers only saw anime become somewhat mainstream in the late 90s, in Italy anime became a hit on arrival in the late 70s. Every private TV station in the 80s aired anime! Most of these same TV stations nowadays air TV shopping ads.
10:08 This is a local Italian TV station, Italia 7 Telecity, not just any random watermark.
15:28 The Italian intro can be easily found on CZcams. Many anime's Italian intros are rather easy to find due to them being unique.
18:23 VWestlife has a video on how he managed to get a faded film restored by some guy who uploaded many film scans on CZcams
Same in France, we are a Nation obsessed with Animes since the 70s, I was born in he early 80s and my entire childhood was flooded with animes. Goldorak (Mazinger Z), Saint Seiya, the OG Dragon Ball, Olive and Tom (Captain Tsubasa), Ken the Survivor (Hokuto No Ken), Lady Oscar, the list is endless. They even passed some laws in the 90s to reverse that as French kids would only watch animes. Adults today are still obsessed and we are the biggest market for mangas in Europe, if not the world outside Japan
took me awhile to realize hamburgers meant Americans
lovely nickname ngl
Must've been an axis thing. Ww2 really took a toll.
Italy and doubled anime
@@AthelstanKing Could be, could be...seeing that former Italian territories in Croatia also really liked anime, thanks to Italian TV reception.
There's a silver lining with vinegar syndrome: you're dealing with acetate film and not literal explosives!
Up until the 1950's, it was pretty common to use nitrate film. Nitrate as in nitrocellulose, an explosive polymer, which tends to burn quite well and quite hot, so it takes other reels of film with it. And it's not immune to rotting either, it just doesn't smell like vinegar.
I really appreciate a channel like Kenny's thats dedicated to older and lost anime series. Each new video is a delight and insightful
very based comment
I've said this before but I genuinely mean it. He is doing a real and valuable service to humanity and it's art.
I love his voice
Agreed! He is doing an amazing job and much like how Saberspark digs up some truly inspiring animated movies I never would’ve heard of otherwise, I really appreciate Kenny digging up all this stuff that time forgot.
Agreedo
I did my part by uploading "Twinkle Nora Rock me!" to CZcams. Those DOZENS of animation frames are something that shouldn't be lost to time.
dozens is a bit generous
o7 thank you for your service brave soldier all 23 of those frames are vital info
Holy crap, you the oldest person still using their main account on CZcams I have ever met
@@giwifruit5032 It's been a long road.
@@carsineceremony Lol
Gotta be my favorite Anime CZcamsr. No generalizing, no annoying terms, no (real) bad takes. Restoration is something INSANELY important. No matter how obscure or how unimportant the product seems, everything is a small piece of history.
I never imagined that anime had this problem, so thank you for making this. My first encounter with systematic loss of media was Doctor Who, where I learned about the tapes being wiped in the 90s. Later, I learned that many BBC series and movies were wiped, Dad's Army, pre-Monty Python amd Goodies show Broaden Your Mind, and obscure fan favourite Ace of Wands. It never occurred to me that this problem existed for anime, too.
i love how the most common way to find an old unknown anime is to look up some old italian broadcasts of the 80s/90s.
It's a little known fun fact, but Italy actually had lots of deals with japan at the time, so many in fact that some of them are still well remembered as cult classics even today despite them being usually quite unknown.
Some popular kids show include Heidi, Lupin, Creamy mami, Tokimeki Tonight, Steel Jeeg, Anne of Green Gables, Captain Harlock.
There's also that animated rendition of Sherlock Holmes with animals, which apparently was directly commissioned to Miyazaki's animation department by one of the italian television companies before he went on to make his own personal studio.
I once looked up episodes of the Italian dub of Mokku of the Oak Tree as they were apparently uncut, likely containing the original music score even, but back then I just assumed it was treated with more respect for being based on the Italian story of Pinocchio. According to Wikipedia, the series has never been released in its entirety on home video in the original Japanese, not that I could find a single episode in Japanese anyway!
Heidi became so popular, especially in European countries.
It also started The World's Masterpiece Theatre series.
@@BagOfMagicFood It most likely was more popular here in Italy, pinocchio is still a popular character because of how timeless it is.
I find interesting how they were supposedly fully uncut though: I've seen some cartoons displaying full-on violence with no censors nor cuts, but Mediaset is usually very strict on what can pass on tv or not.
Just to name one a couple of cuts and censoring from my childhood:
Cat's eye got apparently censored a lot because it mentions periods and a lesbian couple, while Dragonball Z and Dragonball all got their respective "sexual oriented" scenes removed.
As for the scores, it's usually a dubbing audio-mixing thing. Most cartoons actually had different sound effects because of copyright or simple choices from the mixing team, but some effects and mostly music comes from the original company, so Im quite sure they just happened to have the original score and just shoved it in the italian version.
@@notationmusical Im honestly surprised, most of the cartoons we got were barely even around in the english part of internet, it's nice to see that atleast some of them got the recognition they deserve. :)
Not that we don't appreciate them enough in here: Heidi in particular still has reruns on the RAI's kids channel to this day
Heidi is very popular in both Germany and South Africa as well.
Not only Japanese Anime will have lost media.
Even "western" cartoons such as "Wunschpunsch" which last aired in 2012 (at least here in Germany) are likely to become lost media at some point.
And then there's countries like the Philippines with old school material like this:
czcams.com/video/XIcikp961oE/video.html
Oh yeah, I loved that show!
Yeah. Even older ones. European ones are the ones that will likely be lost in time. They don't have the same fan base as Japanese
@@xminusone1 Well yeah, that AND the constant language barrier problems. Not to mention poor documentation. Like seriously, how many Dutch cartoons exist that we ACTUALLY KNOW OF?
I think almost everything outside usa (maybe uk and france?) is in real danger
This video made me remember that I still keep the original files of all Dragon Ball Z and GT series plus the 13 movies, in a rmvb format witch makes every episode 30mb. From a mysterious site witch I found in the early 2000's. The whole 2 shows plus all the 13 movies combined are 12GB of data, witch amazes me to this date.
Was that a torrent? I'm pretty sure I downloaded that exact same thing and still have it too.
It’s sad that Toei for some reason doesn’t want donated tapes with high quality audio for the original Dragonball and would rather use their degrading audio from the film since they deleted their audio masters.
Fun fact vinegar syndrome can also happen for LCDs apparently because of the adhesive between the display glass and the polarising film breaking down over time under similar conditions, so some retro tech also get their displays destroyed by it (though it's fixable if you can replace the polarising film), if you got some 15-20 yr old laptop sitting in some hot and humid place, you should probably check it once in a while.
"No, no it's fine, that anime is lost forever. No one will ever realize that we copied it's premise for Breath of the Wild."
Now that you say it, I can't unsee it, lol.
I wouldn't be surprised if it was just a core memory that someone lost the details to but never truly forgot
Can you elaborate it? I am interested
@@NexusGamerss A boy with great powers who was in a deep sleep in an insolate cave is awoken by an old man telling him of his great destiny to save and protect a post-apocalyptic world with his magical sword from an evil demon who can change people into monsters, does it ring anything?
@@Game_Hero Ayy gee thanks mister
"The ones who won't touch an anime if it's slightly, slightly blurry."
Funnily enough, the vast majority of digital anime is actually blurry.
Until recently, most anime footage was actually done in a slightly lower quality to the final product due to the way the line art was scanned from paper, then stretched out to the target resolution.
Also, the way anime was digitised meant that it was all technically pixel art and would go through an anti-aliasing/smoothing filter after the colouring process, guaranteeing that it will be blurry (even in 2022).
I happened to find one of those $5000 TVs at a thrift store for cheap. 1080p resolution, xboxhueg screen, gorgeous color, seems it was a floor model that went unsold
I watch ancient blurry anime on it all the time
Notice how the highest quality Bobobo is in is 480p.
@@ChibiKami ay nothing beats soviet cartoons shown on the giant hd tv i got on black friday.
Dear youtube commenters i would appreciate it if I can pose a question to you all.
Does anyone have an understanding or and idea of the connections between the digitalization of anime and its relation to increasing PC technology? Maybe any idea of early software and production methods in the early digital era?
“Don’t be so scared about preservation. There will always be beautiful and ugly art at any period of time to move the culture”
versus
“Art can only progress on the foundation of older art”
My friend had a VHS tape with like 3 or 4 episodes of MapleTown on it in English back in the early 00s, it took me years to remember that was a thing I watched and remember what it was called. It was such a cute series!
...I'm going to message her mom and see if she so happens to have that still...
Any news?
@@SACKBOY123432 Sadly, she didn't keep any of their old VHS tapes OTL
I remember distinctly an episode with the bunny girl and her friend who was a bear boy, I don't remember what that episode was about. The other episode was the bunny girl and a stuck up fox girl, and the fox girl became friends towards the end. I wish she kept them, but it sounded like they tossed all their old VHS tapes years ago. OH YEAH, and the show was introduced by a nice old lady like she was telling stories I believe. This was like two decades ago though.
It's finally done! Very much enjoyed chatting with you about all this stuff, glad we were able to help. Cheers!
BRING BACK THE FEMBOY
@@The_Ideonselo No
Thank you for your effort and time on this video!
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Hey Kenny, i think it would be pretty cool if you pin up kineko's comment
I know he's kind of goofy looking and would fit the stereotypical definition of 'neckbeard' in today's view, but that dude talking about bringing anime to the US is damn inspiring. To be so passionate about sharing culture across boarders is something to aspire to.
I deeply want to know more about him and the story behind those clips, truly. Who is he? How did he convince his (seemingly local) station to help him do this? When did it air?
@@RappingNinja This was in the mid 90s, iirc. A PBS affiliate in California called KTEH. A couple clips were floating around twitter a few weeks back. One had a different guy doing a donation/fundraiser for a Ryo-Ohki shirt, since they were airing Tenchi Muyo. czcams.com/video/QwF-dDeVRfo/video.html
The anime he was bringing was Serial Experiments Lain, which is as respectable as anime can get, the guy had great taste too, he wasn't bringing just any run of the mill stuff
I'm finding a lot of videos searching for his station KTEH. His stuff predates Toonami. It's how I saw Lain, Tenchi, Lum, Key The Medal Idol, all of Robotech, Ramna, and more. We covered a lot of ground in a few years.
Kenny Lauderdale: Anime Diplomat to the World.
LICENSED TO KILL
I do love the lengths people will go to to restore lost media. Cartivision was one of the first home media, vhs before vhs in 1970, the players were built into the television and the format only lasted a bit over a year.
But a lost NBA game was found on this format and Duart Media Services managed to extract footage from this obscure and rare format.
A lot probably knew about this by the time of writing this, they did actually find a 16mm copy of episode 41 of "Tatake! Osper" (anime discussed at 13:45) "A Town Attacked by Poisonous Moths" which was quite damaged. They crowdfunded it being restored and they were able to restore the episode! Unfortunately there's only a few clips on CZcams, they only released the Blu-ray to supporters.
What happened with Indy the Magical Kid is an example of the sheer stupidity and selfishness of rich collectors. You cant preserve or appreciate media by shoving it in a glass case and staring at it. Media can only be appreciated by playing it and only preserved by copying it to a medium thats less prone to degradation. This is hardly the only example of this Ive heard of. Wealthy collectors like this are a massive thorn in the side of preservationists.
Something happened recently with a obscure small japanese PC game called Cookie's Crumble. Apparently it became lost media despite being made in the 1990s and then somehow a copy of it found its way online. The guy who owns copies of the game was pretending to be the creator and getting the game taken down including taking down and DMCA'ing Let's Play's of the game on youtube and twitch because he was afraid having the game be available would harm the value of the game he had physically since there's barely any copies. Scummy people honestly.
The fact that collectors think that releasing something to the public make something be worth less when that can never happen, if that was true then why are DVDs so expensive when the shows or movies are on streaming services? Hell, the opposite can happen if they release something to the public
Those people only care about money and shouldn’t be allowed to collect anything
@@ADreamingTraveler thats nuts
A moment for all the archivers, historians and lost media junkies who’ve made this stuff possible. The work and effort they go though for our enjoyment, it’s something to admire. As someone who loves all history, the things they do to make things possible is truly a marvel. Thank you, for your service.
(I know I make it sound like your returning from the Great War or something but for your work it’s warranted)
I love 80s, 90s, early 2000s anime myself. Im a 90s kid so I could be bias. But I find the hand drawns to convey so much more mood and emotion. Watching modern anime is like watching a kids cartoon in comparison. All colorful and fast moving to grab attention. Where before because the scenes took so long to draw the entire mood would be slow and set to see them. Same with current facial expressions. All jittery or quick to finish a sentence. Very little time is spent on focusing on the character or their thoughts because the next new shiny scene is waiting. The comparisons that come to mind of old anime would be like the original trigun, cowboy bebop, heat guy J, black lagoon, grave of fireflies, or desert punk among many others. I always called them dark anime for their more deeper tones and moods.
However rare those great pieces were even then. In modern 3d character anime they all seem to be semi detailed above a basic background making the characters look above the background with their quick movements. Which in old way of drawing the characters looked the same as their background and fit into it looking believably. Of course making anime cheaper to produce is why this has occurred and the more expensive hand drawn are far more rare now. But in my opinion 3d objects in animation hold up the best with quality and time. Vehicles, buildings, objects can all look great with texture. Its 3d animated character that are often not enough. I will leave the exception to star wars the clone wars animated series. They proved its possible to make 3d animation blend together excellently.
Well that is my opinion on this topic. As a 32 year old who was the odd outlier in highschool that would stay up to 2am on school nights just to catch these great shows on adult swim.
@@geronimo5537 It depends. The huge problem with manual animation is how expensive it was, which is why tv series tend to be of such poor quality, little animation, almost no transitions 8 fps, etc. Usually you would only see the "true" quality in a movie. In the 80ies there was much frustration from animators, which is interesting is how they managed to put out stuff "without limits". A little like Gainax's Otaku no Video. Project A-Ko basically was an open invitation, it is a segmented movie, each segment with their own animators, etc and they told them this: "No limits". A normal tv show would restrict the number of cells you had available per episode, so this was a project to vent their frustration. Even Hayao Miyazaki got involved (uncredited).
Also most of it was spent in menial work, specifically ink filling, it was often outsourced to other asian countries because of cheaper labor. When digital started showing in production from around 1997, it was this sweatshop work that was phased out first. Now there is kinda of a mix, some people still draw by hand the outlines (with a tablet), but its digitally filled, and others are full 3D to 2D.
On the other hand this did increase the level of the low end. The earliest episodes of Ginga Eiyu Densetsu (Laserdisc original release) are infamously of very poor quality. so bad that they remade many scenes digitally a decade later with the DVD release. There are also infamous slideshows like the Violinist of Hamln (which has nothing to do with the original light/comedy manga and was turned dark). It was very common in 70ies and 80ies to drop the framerate to 8fps as a means to lower costs, and avoid transitions, etc, giving it sometimes a "slideshow" experience (you get used to it). They did whatever they could to lower costs, or they had a budget cut in the middle, had to change animation studio, etc (happened to Saint Seiya at least 3 times).
Gainax went with 8mm film for Daikon. In the 80ies copyright in Japan was more tolerant, this is why you see direct references to western and local IP, same as Project A-Ko. Its not possible to do that anymore. Its amazing they could do such cool things for a fan Sci-Fi convention. But its not allowed anymore, until some roque people start playing with AI tools and release anonymously...
I mean, it’s kinda cool, but I don’t need this smarmy oaf raggin’ on shit
you're*. Sorry, I'm kinda a Grammar Nazi.
Shadar was called Shadow Boy in Brazil (not Sombrita that is a Spanish word, we speak Portuguese), I was having a dejà vu and you said Shadow Boy and I remembered, and it was a big success here. You can find several copies dubbed in Portuguese on CZcams.
I would not call it lost in this sense. It was aired in afternoons along with Fantomas and I could not decide what was more scary.
I find it quite interesting that Shaddar was translated as Shadow Boy in Brazil and Sombrita (lit. Little Shadow) in Spanish-speaking America. Does Shaddar means shadow or something like that?
@@pablocasas5906 If I am not mistaken Shadar comes from SHelichei DERabonan Emissary of Rabbis...Japanese anime and series loved referencing Judaic-Christian mithology: Ultraman crucified, Trinity Blood, Shadar, Evangelion, etc...
@@pablocasas5906 PS this can be just a coincidence as very little can be found about the creation process of this anime.
But think the villain is GHOSTar so is not a stretch that SHADar comes from shadow.
btw, "sombrinha" translates to little shadow, so in general shadar keeps that shadow theme throughout the languages
The whole temporary nature of older anime, and the medium of film as a whole, is so tragic. I just recently bought an old and fairly beaten-up cel from Gundam Wing, and if a show that popular, from a studio as big as Sunrise, can end up in such bad shape, it's really depressing to think of how much is just gone forever because it was forgotten about for even a relatively short time.
You do realize that cel animation was NEVER meant to be a collectible artform? They make the cels for the show, shoot them on film once, and that's supposed to be it!
They don't have the storage facilities to house all that artwork and the medium (the plastic card) the artwork is inked and painted on wasn't intended to last for decades!
Shrinkage of cels is normal and so is paint flecking. That's why I prefer production line art on paper. The paper WILL yellow but at least the pencil lines won't flake off and change crazy colors like cel art does! They had to remix the colors ALL the time because paint is a chemical. Chemicals degrade over time. That stuff in a tube doesn't necessarily remain the same color 10 years later!
You think Gundam Wing was a big deal? I've seen Disney art from the 1930s, things like their Silly Symphonies and Snow White. It's generally in better shape than the Japanese stuff because believe it or not entertainment product in Japan is even more disposable than the US!
They generally don't take great care of anime cel art in Japan because they have tons of it they can't get rid of!
@@AvengerII In fact, back in the 80s some companies would just let random people walk in and take cels from the stack that had already been photographed.
@@mechadeka That doesn't surprise me.
I don't know that the attitude has changed much since then. Most cels aren't worth that much unless they're from popular/legendary movies and TV series and how many things are really THAT popular decades later? That big-spender fans are the ones who set the rates! I'm not much into animation art collection; I'd rather get official art books or production drawings. Animation cels fall apart over time!
I know the late Carl Macek had a ton of cels from different anime. He used to run an art gallery that sold animation cels and he had tons of anime cels including art from Macross. Those Macross cels are long gone... The Lupin III, Part 3 cels weren't selling when his collection went up online. (Lupin III art is kind of ugly; I didn't become a fan of that show because of the art style!) His widow was trying to clean out some storage lockers I guess!
They don't make cels for anything anymore. The ink and coloring is all done digitally; Disney started that process over 30 years ago.
One of the last series that used animation cels was Justice League Unlimited (2005?). Around the same time, I think most anime production houses went to digital ink and paint.
I'm 50 years old, been an anime fan since childhood. Your dedication to finding and sharing this obscure stuff is truly appreciated.
It’s nice seeing (hope that sounds ok to say) mature people enjoy this kind of media.
While it saddens me that so many shows and movies have been lost to time forever, at the same time, I always remember that nothing lasts forever.
😮
When I was young I actually saw some episodes of Shadar in the Jtv channel here in Italy!
There was this one in which he fought a creature half-woman half-spider and I remember it as an anime with frightening episodes.
EDIT: I wrote the comment before knowing you pinpointed the Jtv channel. Wow, you always do great research man!
Lost media in Anime should be it’s own category.
Kenny: it's not a horror anime, i don't know how people got that impression...
Also Kenny: Anyway, in every episode someone dies horribly
Johnny Quest isn't a horror cartoon, and yet...
I mean, just because they _crucify_ someone doesn't mean it's a horror anime.
@@TheRealNormanBates nah the bible is clearly a horror anime.
@@_Tzer only when the "Angels" show up.
And Job gets a telegram from Yhwh saying "So you see, I made a bet with the Devil...".
@@TheRealNormanBates Nah god is legally an eldritch abomination lol.
4:20 Thanks for playing this really *dope* music from LB3 at the ‘420 mark’, it's seriously one of my favorite ever pieces of VGM, and it gave me chills the moment I started to hear it play (especially considering how far less likely it is to be sourced for a CZcams video compared to, say, the music from MvC2 that you inserted just a handful of seconds earlier; its relative obscurity makes it all the more exciting to hear where least expected).
My fave anime used to be so hard to find and then there was a resurgence of love for it, musicals, and a new manga so now it's finally available in more than just shitty DVD rips. I'm so sad for the ppl whose faves are lost in time.
@Tom_ig Revolutionary Girl Utena
Anecdote time. The reason I made this account, well over a decade ago, was so I could upload treatments of the Daicon III and IV shorts after I'd taken pains to generate "music only" audio tracks for both. In the case of Daicon IV, since its audio is 100% music, this effectively meant remastered audio. In fact my upload was the first time Daicon IV had ever been available with stereo audio. Unfortunately, CZcams was pretty limited at the time. In fact, in order to ensure stereo audio, I had to drastically limit the quality of the video encode, which started out poor to begin with because there were no good digital sources for the Daicon shorts. I had intended to eventually tackle remastering the video and then biding my time until CZcams supported better quality standards, but that idea was dependent on getting my hands on the laserdisc. That never happened, and obviously at this point, more capable hands with better access to resources have undertaken the job. But I'll still match my audio efforts against anyone.
Couldn't you just rip the tracks from an ELO CD?
PS: The whole album is awesome, too. One of my desert island discs!
@@worldcomicsreview354 Well, since you're asking, yes. That's what I did, in effect. I got FLACs of all of the audio in question, which were Intro/Twilight from ELO's Time, and a track from a Japanese album from the early 80s. Tracking down the music used in those shorts (Daicon III especially) was half of the challenge. But to answer your question more specifically, no, it wasn't as simple as just dropping the music in. I very painstakingly took note of the timings of each fade-out and each edit. Twilight had several edits, for example, and even though they weren't very precise, I reproduced them accurately, down to single samples out of 44.1Khz. I also had to ensure that the speed of the track was a match-Twilight plays a little faster in Daicon IV than on the album. The result is indistinguishable from the film's original audio, aside from the fact that it's in stereo whereas the film had been mono since 1983.
Fun facts: Jimi Hendrix's favorite bands were ELO, Fleetwood Mac, Chicago, Boston & Muddy Waters's Blues Band.
Even Jimi Hendrix loved ELO to heaven & back.
I get you man. I've played the DAICON IV on youtube on mute with the CD quality rip running on my PC media player.
Going through all that to share & preserve anime is true king behavior. I have a lot of respect for that!
I'll never get over how pig headed some people can be. They would rather throw away an item than preserve it. They would rather privately buy something and keep it hidden so they can feel some sort of personal pride. This video was great. I love preservation and find it all fascinating.
This is why I'm thankful for ROM sites and hate Nintendo so much. Nintendo would rather destroy its own old games than let them be preserved.
It's NOT a loss to have old media die off. This is entertainment and usually pretty BAD entertainment.
It's like a video game from the 1980s. There's a game called Marble Madness which many people are familiar with, but a new game called Marble Madness II was made, but NEVER RELEASED and whoever owns it, guards it. They won't release the roms, you only see videos of it sometimes, only a handful of people have played it.
So what? Do you want to play Marble Madness I? Probably not but you can.
Do we really need to save the Super Mario Brothers movie?
How many films have you seen from the 1930's and 40's? There's plenty. Have you seen Momotaro: Sacred Sailors? It's available. Have you seen A Trip To the Moon by Georges Méliès?
@@fuzzywzhe Why do you want media to be lost though?
@@BJGvideos I don't know if much of this media is worth preserving. It's fine to preserve, but most media simply isn't worth archiving.
If people want to make the effort, that's fine, but I think it's purposeless.
Time filters out what isn't worth preserving. I can show you films from the 1980's, 1960's, 1940's that once you watched them you wouldn't care if you ever saw them again, or anybody else did.
Film and television is a sort of art, but there's a lot of garbage art out there.
@@fuzzywzhe Well yeah but who knows. Even a bad movie can be worthwhile. Maybe it's the first movie of someone who only gained appreciation years later. Maybe it's the only adaptation of a lost book. Maybe someone just wants to see their grandma, who used to be an actress.
Amazing video. I know your focus is on the lost anime shows, but your in between footage of Cyborg 009 books are amazing. Such great quality! You are one heck of an anime researcher!
It's not just anime... It's music, movies, tv shows, art, books etc.
The amount of time put into finding what time has forgoten is amazing.
I think humanity might actually have a instinct to dig up the past then record and archive it.
@Lugoor Star
Is that why we track down lost media? For the sake of the amazing journeys we experience?
Japan is notorious for License shennanigans.... this is also due to the fact that the Japanese often downright REFUSE to hand out licenses for their stuff to foreigners. Once in a blue moon... or every few 100 years or so.,.. you are lucky and ONE show or ONE movie actually makes it to the international Videomarket and you get shows like "Captain Future" or movies like "Bullet Train (Shinkansen daibakuha)" for a short moment before the license holder pulls it again and you have to wait another million years again for it to be released. And that's why corporations can cry me a fukkin river about "Bohoooo illegal downloading and streaming bohooooo".
every time a billion dollar company cries online about piracy, i print out the screenshot and wipe my ass with it
@@biggestastiest GOOD.
@@biggestastiest Waaaah i can't have lucrative profits waaaah.
Fkk them.
Yeah, i wouldn't find hard to believe that unicorns exist in japan considering how closed they are, specially with their products, so many great series, games, movies only available there
@@GarkKahn And the company owning the rights to unicorns would be absolutely certain there is no market for them anywhere else, because the majesty of a blessing of unicorns can only be appreciated in glorious Nippon.
I actually had a VHS copy of 2 random Orange Road episodes that I bought from Hastings back in the day when the only way to discover new Anime was by purchasing from the very small, random, selection of Anime titles. It always felt like I had discovered something amazing, even though there was always the knowledge that I may never see more than those few episodes and they were almost never the beginning of the series, I loved them just the same. I discovered a ton of amazing anime that way.
One of the greatest lost film finds in my book is the first Project A-Ko movie. Discotek was going to release an upscaled version from LD or DVD, and then when looking for another OAV release, someone found it in a film warehouse, accidentally misnumbered. The bluray is truly stunning.
Now if only someone could find a good film copy of Lensman.
The author's family will never allow Lensman to be rereleased, unfortunately.
As always, pirating has been huge to bring up the backend and save things that would be otherwise lost. The problem is corporations doing their best to kill pirating means that the one real archive of old material is always under fire.
There are a couple of old book series that I read as a kid that I haven't been able to find again as an adult. I have seriously considered buying old copies so I can scan them and/or transcribe them and donate them to the internet archive or project Gutenberg. Unfortunately, some of the old Star Wars books were prime among them and I'd really rather not deal with a media titan trying to come after me on those. Might just have to copy those quietly so multiple people have a shot at getting them out there once the copyrights expire.
And it's reading crap like this that makes me feel so much better about hoarding the timecode-less uncut "gouge your eyes out" bit from the Sven Hoek episode of Ren and Stimpy that was given to me, to this day. Knowing that people still justify media piracy for funsies and call it "media preservation" as if it's the same thing. Yeah, that's why I also hoarded the unreleased workprint of the "Man's Best Friend" episode of Ren and Stimpy years before Paramount put it on the DVD, too. The self-rightous attitudes of people like you are why.
@@the-NightStar😂😂😂
@@the-NightStararen’t you doing the same thing you’re accusing others by being a self righteous asshole pretending to protect something from those evil evil pirates?
@@the-NightStar and then when you die, and are found months later due to the smell emanating from your apartment (not just the usual cat piss odours) the tapes will very likely be lost forever because your estranged family will have no clue what the fuck they are. At least you got to brag about owning rare old cartoons on the Internet though.
Most of this shit is abandonware or indefinitely out of print at this point, so I have no idea why you take issue with it being pirated; unless you just like things being lost forever for "funsies". Methinks you are the self-righteous one, and just feign being indignant about piracy so you can brag about your stash.
To anyone interested in lost media, I highly recommend looking into the history of the lost Doctor Who episodes. Its a fascinating subject and shows how media used to have to be physically distributed. There's still episodes that are lost, and will probably never be recovered. Others have been miraculously found by pure luck.
The story of the “recovery” of Tenth Planet Episode 4 is a hell of a story.
I still have to finish the recovered episodes, interesting story lines on them but my god they're hard to sit through with how outdated they are. Every scene is just stretched out for like 5 minutes too long which is understandable because cameras were bulky af and hard to move back then so they can't just change the scene every 5 seconds and move the camera around but everything just feels so slow paced and static in old movies. Interesting to see how film evolved over the years as cameras got lighter and easier to move, probably even gonna get a lot of aerial shots in the future now that we can use drones for filming or even 360 cameras so I expect to see some interesting developments in the coming years...
Considering that a Betty Boop episode was recently unearthed in 2019 (Buzzy Boop at the Concert) after it had been lost for about 80 years, I still have some hope for really old films. Though it would be nice to get other old films and shorts again.
There was a gigantic storage film fire in 1937 under 20th Century Fox. So many films were lost in that fire, it was crazy. There was one spot where the flames shot out the building 100 feet *sideways*. A mother and her 2 children were burned by the fire, too, and the 13 year old died of his injuries a week later.
For visual aid, the length of the fire shooting out sideways was longer than 5 Chevrolet Suburbans parked bumper to bumper with 2 inches between them. Not even that is long enough.
@@101Volts that's a crazy sounding fire...
One episode that was pulled off featured Jimmy Savile. A then-famous BBC presenter who after his death was outed to have been a mass-rapist that used his programmes to get to his victims.
Man, im so glad i stumbled on your channel. Thank you so much for all of you hard work and amazing content.
As much as the industry hates it and tries to stamp it out, private parties in the form of file sharers and other online based collectors constitutes an invaluable safeguard for preserving media, animated and live-action both that would otherwise likely disappear forever since there simply is little money or interest in it for the original owners, especially the more obscure stuff.
When I first saw Cowboy Bebop in the 90s I didn’t think our history would as hard to find as Fae Valentines VHS and VCR. But something about it spoke to me so I guess we all felt it coming.
That was a great episode from a great show.
Wow good obscure connection!
That was my jamz back in the day
@Orkhiss Dood this was an RP session. We were re-doing that scene including mistaking a VCR cassette for a Betamax cassette
I do wonder how many anime's have been lost to time, through every mean possible.
Probably a lot.I remember when I was young I watched an anime series from my mom's tv and when I tried to search where it is now I can't find any trace. Did that only happen to me? 😬
@@sunburst1889 it took me a while to search Ninja Robots which I used to watch as a kid so I get your point.
@@sunburst1889 I had a similar experience with a dub. When I was little I had a VHS English dub of Shimajiro, called Learningland. I stupidly got rid of it twenty years ago and finally found a (bad) upload of it here on CZcams. There's no information on the dub anywhere so I was shocked to find it when I looked it up on a whim.
I hope the upload is still up, I should download it in case it gets removed.
Or anime dubs, like the Space Ace anime’s English dub (I’m talking about an anime based on a manga, not anything relating to the lazer disc video game of the same name)
@@Jojo_D_Northstar Im having a similar experience, though with a game instead of a show, played it for a week as a young kid and never remembered it's name or even the console it was on besides it either being 360 or the Wii, I only have vague pictures and memories of the game in my head to go off of as well, unfortunately still haven't found it and nobody seems to know it either
I thought this was going to be about how despite anime being so popular and more easily accessible to watch than it ever has, but people still struggle to find something to watch because of so many choices, platform exclusivities, region availability (i.e. multiple languages), toxic/gatekeeping fandoms, etc.
This was a lovely and informative video. The Legend of Light (that gymnastics anime) is popular in Arabia! The saved educational animation being shown to kids in school today is really, really touching, because there are some fine animations made with lofty goals like that that are also really, really fun to watch and beautifully animated and drawn from a technical perspective.
Maple Town (and its sequel Palm Town, but more fondly remembered outside of Japan) is veeeery beloved for its heartfelt, nostalgic stories about childhood and its life lessons and endearing characters (even the villains have their endearing softer sides!), it's one of older Toei's finest, just a very pretty show, even if the toys it was meant to sell (cheaper competitors to Sylvanian Families/Calico Critters) didn't sell very well and later ceased to exist... the anime itself remains beloved.
Two of I believe three PSA films have been found and restored (the Traffic Safety and Fire Safety PSAs!), and the stories are every bit as sweet, full of brotherly love and life lessons, and the humour as good as any episode of their respective series. ^^
(I sent this JUST before you got to Maple Town and its PSAs here too, ffff.)
Archiving media's a thankless job, but somebody's gotta do it.
For real. I've even gotten complaints from people
There'll be thanks, but they wont be spoken out loud. I'm endlessly grateful for the archivists that are making old and/or obscure anime, western TV and other media available for people such as myself to watch online!! It's true, somebody's gotta do it
"Devotion has no reward."
True, this is the sole reason I'm able to enjoy some of that sweet, sweet, 1960's Doctor Who goodness. Even if a lot of that era is still missing, at least you can experience... something...
I'm hoping that "Otaku" infomercial is real because I'll bet there's a 60-something year old man sat alone grumbling "I warned em I tried to warn em!" to himself over and over
Kenny Lauderdale is going to be that guy in 10 years.
Godspeed, General Lauderdale.
It's a real news report
His name is Thomas Edward Fanella and the TV station that he worked for is called KTEH San Jose. He's an early pioneer for the medium and I'd bet that he's the reason why anime is as big as it is now as he exposed a huge amount of people to anime in the early days. He sadly passed away on 2007 after battling cancer though.
@@kingly456 Heck yeah, dude. \M/
I bet he's watching Anime with Astro Boy & The Golden Bat's creators.
@@Claymann71 In the days of Astro Boy (60s) it wasn't thought of as anime but just cartoons. The "anime" label is more modern, mostly arising around the 90s.
I hate that some collectors build an ego around having the exclusivity of something valuable. Be the hero the community needs and save the item and share it to be enjoyed, not the asshole that lets an art die.
I cannot even count the amount of times I've rewatched this video lmao
@@kennylauderdale_en simply one of my favorite videos on the platform lol
He ought to retitle the video to be more accurate to what the video is about first
Same
Isn't it funny how after over 100 years of film making film itself is still the superior medium to use?
You can basically make any 1920s film play in 4k while everything stored on VHS or Disc is limited to standard definition.
Weird isn't it?
Also preservationists are doing great work and we should support them.
I've always loved this phenomenon. The funny thing is that we _still_ haven't tapped the full potential of film. Everything that's been mastered from, say, 16mm to 1080p... still needs yet another scan in order to render the footage as HDR. That means literally almost everything that isn't black & white.
Unfortunately, most films from that era were lost due to them being made from silver nitrate, which is even more prone to deterioration than more modern film, _and_ is extremely flammable.
@@Akira625 A lot of early celluloid French films were melted to make boots for soldiers in WW1.
VHS allowed for high framerate video, though, and if they really wanted to they could have tried delving into HD VHS or Digital VHS -(which would probably be worse than DVD)- but it was already on its way out.
Also, no contest, DVD was the worst format of them all.
The worst paper pamphlet will last 100 years with only modest attemps at preservation (put it on a shelf away from direct sunlight in a reasonably dry room). Good luck reading a collection of ebooks on an SD card after that long.
78rpm shellac records wil be around after every casette has demagnetised and every CD delaminated, too. Vinyl records will last longer, but will one day be oil again.
People who preserve any media so they couldn't be lost to time are amazing. I hope more old series can be found as they do show glimpse of the past and how things go to where they are. I think this channel is awesome too for bringing awareness of these old series' existence.
Speaking of lost media, at 3:27 when you showed the image from Phantasy Star, that unlocked a childhood memory of me in my room on my Sega Genesis
I'm convinced that there is at least one anime that was made in Japan, but for an exclusively German audience. One day, it will be found.
Also, there probably ARE surviving episodes of these lost anime, hidden within the attic VHS stack of a 105 year old rural japanese granny whose family used to record everything. So much history has been lost this way, the least of it being found by someone who knows what to do with it or how rare what they're throwing away might be.
I've always appreciated the efforts to restore and preserve lost media / art, its a deeply humanistic endeavor.
This video came at the weirdest time. I spent the entire day worrying about Warner Bros Discovery delisting a few dozen shows for tax write offs so they'll never be on any official platform again.
This couldn't have come out at a better time
Kinda why I'm like "make a DVD of things like the Dark Crystal series, or cartoons like Infinity Train." - never know when what we enjoy could be lost.
This was absolutely fascinating.
I'm only a casual anime fan, but I'm getting more and more interested in archiving as a subject.
The older I get, the more I see material that I though would be with us forever just disappearing and becoming unavailable.
Your videos are so good I come back and watch them more than once.
🤘Thank you for all the effort you put in bro.
I appreciate the hell out of your content!
I knew about vinegar syndrome but I never knew about the green dots being the result of MOLD. Looking at the higher quality shots of Shidar, I now can't unsee those flecks and my mind instantly reminds myself that those dots are not discolorations of ink due to aging but straight up MOLD holes.
Also there was something...hypnotic about that snack commercial. At first I thought it was the commercial straight up until I realized the actress was taking holds towards the camera too long. The quality of that film is that damn good.
Some of the best British comics ever made had original art boards stolen-to-order by collectors for dcades, and the rest thrown out. The few surviving (and rescanned using modern techniques) pages from Frank Hampson, Frank Bellamy and Mike Noble are insanely good, unfortunately most of their stuff is reprinted from scans of 50's / 60's newsprint.
The original benos and dandys? Even viz?
Back in the days where they didn't archive anything.
@@skootergirl22 Eagle and TV Century 21. I think DC Thomson returned original art to creators, and Viz used to keep it in their offices, where it probably still is (until the late 90's it was mostly drawn by people who had all known each other since childhood)
You have to chuckle. The first guy looks somewhat like don lawrence but not as good. The second is too realistic and the third is meh
I miss you, dude. I think I'll binge watch all the videos on your channels the weekend. Some quality stuff here.
I can remember seeing made in Japan animes while growing up that I have never ever seen again. The destruction of the masters either by the studio itself or whatever reason I assume is why.
The whole lost media curse thing with hoarders/speculators makes a good case for someone like Lupin III--a noble thief.
TRUUUUEE!!
That could be a really cool plot for an episode!
I'd say this is below his pay grade, but at the same time, it's absolutely something Lupin would do anyway
(8:44) Just a correction, Kenny, we brazilians never called it "Sombrita", such a name is in Spanish in the first place; we speak Portuguese. Actually its name over here is "As Aventuras de Shadow Boy" (The Adventures of Shadow Boy). You probably mistook the Venezuelan title with the Brazilian one.
I think I can forgive Kenny, most Americans can't differentiate Spanish from Portuguese
Kind of weird he mentioned Perú and Venezuela when Shadar was actually dubbed in México
Yes, it was the other way around….minor mistake
Gringos....
@@pablocasas5906A correction is a correction, no one was saying he did something that needed “forgiveness”.
@@pablocasas5906 Being able to differentiate spanish and portuguese don't really have anything to do with actually knowing/googling a countries language.
Omg! Maple Town! So many people don't know this anime but I was addicted to it growing up. It was in fact the first anime I've ever seen! Even had most of the figures.
There really should be laws against what that collector did with Indy the Magical Kid. That's why we have laws: to stop excessively evil behavior.
What about not, comrade.
It's messed up but ultimately i don't think policing people's privately owned property is the answer.
@@yukikanegawa7470 What else is there to police?
There's a Manga series called Area 88, which was among one of the first 5 to be brought over to the US and translated in 1979. Only 40% of the manga was actually translated to english, and sent over to the US.
The 1985 OVAs are the most readily accessible version of Area 88, with the 2005 TV series being second.
I'm hoping it can get a reprint, as well as getting properly translated.
I imagine it would be extremely popular with the Ace Combat crowd, since Area 88 is what inspired it.
Area88 needs another another and definitely a reprint i forgot who the company was the mde the original Mangas. Maybe spreading the world can help
A group actually was scanlating it, did one issue post-Viz run, but then had to cancel. So infuriating. That being said, Area 88 Bankobans are readily available on Japanese Ebay.
I just watched it randomly with my friend and we had a blast it was fantastic
Damn I need to know more after clearing AC7.
Aaaaa, I collect Area 88! Started buying them in, like, the late nineties, because someone had sold a small stack to a used bookstore I frequented. It's becoming really hard to find issues I'm missing... Good stuff, I love it!
Having access to footage like this form Shadar would have really helped me 10 years ago when I wrote an essay in university about the evolution of Japanese animation from imitating western cartoons to the characteristic "anime" style of modern day. Every upload on this channel is like a shining gem in a sea of meh on youtube.
There's a definite charm to watching anime/cartoon out of their time... Surprisingly corny with... 'dubious'' animation technique/quality. But most of the time I have a good time provided you just go along with it. I remember a few "old" series like "Goldorak" and "Minifée" (Both from Quebec province/Canada) I think "Minifée" was called "Sally la petite sorcière" in France (So Sally the Witch in English I guess). Then there's stuff that I dont even remember the name of and can't find anywhere and nobody knows what I am talking about when I describe it. Anything that old is very hard to find online, legal or not, and the odd episode I do manage to find are quite fun to watch.
Such a shame storing/preserving these for future generation/posterity was not a thing back then, at least now we have hard drives to store them on... Still require goodwill from companies tho.
Less old shows like "Thundercats" could use an HD lift and re-issued for sale, if only for old collector like myself. At least clean the shaky frame and blurry quality.
I find getting into modern anime harder than back then. At least you had shows airing on cable back then, nowadays I hardly see anything and I have to ask co-worked who are Anime addicts to to suggest things. That's how I found out about the new DragonBall Super series and something called "Gate" or "Zipang". They made a follow-up series to "Saint Seya" as well. Insane how many things you never know exist these days... it IS getting harder to watch, unless you keep following news somewhere.
Really interesting video, showcases the sadness of lost culture and history when you lose media. Just perfectly well put. I hope you raised awareness and more people will try to save all this hard work
60's anime is important as they played a key part in a lot of media we consume today. A lot of animation would not have the same quality nor be as advanced. It's really sad that niche important history like this gets used and thrown away.
Clutter kills sometimes, though. And you can't really live in the past. Sometimes, when push comes to shove, you just have to dump things in the can and walk away.
The first superhero was actually from japan that golden bat dude
On 9anime they have alot of really old 60's and 70s anime
this is amazing, i love how dedicated some people are for preservation. With the digital age i still have a fear that one day everything thats digital will just simply disappear, so im always glad when i hear that there are people who work relentlessly to backup everything :)
This is why people fight to get DVD and CD releases if their media. You copy it onto a digital drive or another physical device and then keep the master copy safe.
@@Charles_Anthony exactly. Been backing up my ps2 games. I have the og, a burn, and a digital copy of each game. Nobody is taking them from me or future generations.
Can I know who backups these things would love to follow them
@@GoldenWolf115Make sure your backups aren't just in one location to so a natural disaster can't take them either.
this reminds me of the huge amount of lost british and european shows out there. Hell, there were some copies of lost episodes of Doctor Who in Cyprus that were litereally blown up due to the Turkish Invasion of 1973.
I am personally a big fan of keeping old media watchable older anime just had a charm not much of the new content has. Though my favorite time period for anime is 1960-80
I have a bunch of 35mm scans on my channel, all done by the Kineko team. They always do an amazing job.
Regardless of anime, it's things disappearing like this that scare me in some ways because it means I can remember something and think I'm going insane as I can't find a single shred of its existence. It becomes even worse if it is obscure because people then really do think it never existed and that I'm just a loony nutter.
Don't worry about mids and what they think of you. What matters is what your friends think of you, and if they're you're friends in the first place. Solve for X, not X + everything else.
If one of my friends tells me, "they swear they saw X, they weren't high, they didn't make it up, etc." I consider all the possibilities, but that includes the possibility that they remember it exactly and correctly, and I don't jump to conclusions. I tend to err on the side of "they have no reason to lie about that".
That's probably some sort of modern mental illness, where your brain is unable to distinguish reality from having internet access 24 7. Id recommend going camping for like 2 weeks with no electronics and you'll be g2g for a little while. Rinse and repeat as needed.
Laserdisks carry over 2.14 TERABYTES of information in analog holography. And yes, they were intended for a display system with more than 540p
Yeah, sure they do.
3:21 "Attacker You! " is actually one of the most famous anime in italy, where its known as "Mila e Shiro"
On film preservation, this is why there has been an increased effort to try and find the visually lost episodes of Doctor Who, with over 100 episodes lost. The 2nd Doctor was hit the hardest. Fortunately, all but one episode have been saved audio-wise.
This might be the most esoteric CZcams content I've ever watched
The memes are pretty good, though. And you're doing a service by researching and reporting lost media.
Now i get why the Zeta Gundam OP is so pretty. Zeta Gundam is like my favorite show by now so this factoid is pretty interesting
I remember "Sombrita", was dubbed here in México for the latin american countries, was one of my first and favorite animes along with "Fantasmagorico" (Golden Bat) (my mom even bought me the "original" sword), and yes, was scary! I was maybe 8 or 9 yo.