I have owned a 1971 Piper Cherokee 140 since 1989. The safest use is sitting in the hanger. Treating it like a car, going anywhere anytime is dangerous. I have only flown it about 200 hours in all this time. Unless you are mechanical gifted and can determine detect problems. Primary purpose usually is training. Even professionals with 3000 hours have had mid air collisions in small aircraft. Assuming no mechanical failures likely, weather is a big killer and mid airs. Yet they say statistics prove its more dangerous to drive to the airport. I would never take my grand children up. Short hops in stable good weather local flying seems to be safest.
Sorry, I totally disagree. Yes, even pilots with high time do crash airplanes. But part of that is because they become complacent. If you are well trained and you are meticulous it is highly unlikely that you are going to crash. I use my Cessna 182 to fly back and forth to work once or twice a week since I work week long stretches, and we use it for recreation and travel. I even had an engine out episode and landed safely. I am instrument rated and so we often fly in instrument conditions where visibility is minimal to nothing. We mitigate risk by making sure never to fly in any kind of storm or closer than 20 miles away from a thunderstorm. I do a meticulous preflight every time, perform weight and balance calculations meticulously before any flight where we are carrying passengers or luggage. I train at least three hours a month for every conceivable emergency. The most common things that get people killed are overloading or improper balance, believe it or not, running out of fuel, and failing to run through checklists and reset altimeter frequently. Pilots sometimes just fly into terrain because the terrain rises and they don't. We have taken numerous family and friends on many flights and I have canceled flights when the weather is unfavorable. The default is always not to fly. Don't blame the airplane. A well maintained Piper Cherokee is a safe plane with a well trained and meticulous pilot at the helm who never overloads or improperly balances the airplane. If you only fly 200 hours in 30 years you simply have no business flying. If your plane is sitting around in a hangar hardly flying at all it is in no shape to fly. I was asked to pick up some friends from a small airport in the high country of North Carolina on a summer day. After doing weight and balance as well as take off distance and climb calculations and adjusting for density altitude I informed them that they would have to drive to a larger airport with a longer runway for me to pick them up. Yes, had I picked them up at the small airport we could have been a statistic. But, I concluded that there was not a high enough margin of safety, so they drove a bit further to a larger airport with a longer runway and we had an uneventful flight. Why do people crash? They crash because they don't like to say no to people or to say unable or to change plans, or they inadvertently fly into instrument conditions when they are untrained and are not on an instrument flight plan, or they play around with cameras and taking cell phone pictures instead of paying attention to matters at hand, or they have reduced engine power and pull up instead of pushing down and gliding. As long as a pilot is intelligent about these things and concerns him or herself with safety above all else general aviation is safe. There are some 40,000 automobile deaths per year in the United States yet people still drive. Driving is not unsafe, but driving improperly is. I use my favorite word with my friends, family and with ATC when I do not believe their expectations are reasonable. Unable.
Piper PA-46-310P Malibu N85PG The victims have been identified as Laura Van Epps, 43, Ryan Van Epps, 42, James Van Epps, 12, Harrison Van Epps, 10; and Roger Beggs, 76. Beggs was piloting the aircraft when it went down. Ryan Van Epps is listed as the CEO of the business N85PG, LLC which owns the aircraft. The passengers are all family members from Georgia and were in Cooperstown, New York, for a baseball tournament over the weekend. The accident happened on their way to West Virginia to refuel on their way home to Cobb County International Airport, Georgia, near Marietta, GA. Apparently, they lived at Richmond Glen Circle, Alpharetta, GA 30004.
@@calvinhobbes6118 People need to see the home so they can determine if it's acceptably modest or not. If it's too ostentatious, then the hate and vitriol will flow like a river. Envy is a helluva drug.
These small, private aircraft are crashing all over the country… I think Florida leads the way. Seems like they have several crash each year. I don’t know if it’s pilot error…poor maintenance or both but it’s become an epidemic.
7 out of 10 crashes are not accidents, sadly. I'd watch what becomes of the Man's Business and their Finances or Fortune, as many can be targeted. May the Family and Pilot Rest in Peace. I pray no evil was afoot. Deepest Sympathies to the rest of their Families, Friends, Co-workers and Community. Many Thanks to those who located the Crash Site very fast and handled the necessities, prayers to and for each as well.
@@5thribroarn304 Citation needed for your BS "statistic". What is your evidence-backed source of "7 out of 10 crashes are not accidents"? And you're implying this was an assassination via sabotage?!? Facepalm. CZcams constantly reminds me that I share this planet with some REALLY strange people.
This plane flew super low over my house and it probably could have touched the roof. I thought that it was to low to be ok. Yea i live in Richfield springs and that is 20 minutes or so away from Cooperstown
This airplane had wing separation at 9,000 feet. If it "flew super low over your house" it was because it was on approach or departure. It did not crash at low altitude and exhibited no problems until the sudden catastrophic structural failure at high altitude.
@@josechemistthe sky was clear and very sunny although when I looked up at it the wings looked shorter than usual, that's what made me think it was gonna crash.
I doubt it was the same plane as Richfield Springs insnt in the path from Oneonta to Masonville... the weather was bad that day also...very windy and rolling storms...!!
To be blunt, a wing ripped off at 9,000 feet. It was extremely, EXTREMELY gusty in central NY on Sunday. Moderate to severe turbulence was likely a factor, BUT also the fact that a 1985 Piper Malibu almost definitely has wing spar corrosion that hadn't been discovered. There are many cases of Piper aircraft of this vintage having catastrophic structural failure of the wings due to corroded and cracked wing spars.
What a dumb and gauche thing to say. They were flying a 40-year-old, piston-engined airplane that had structural failure. This wasn't a million-dollar composite turboprop with LCD instruments. I'm sure they were upper middle class people, but not high-society snobs with full time butlers and bathroom attendants.
James Ryan van Epps was one of my very good friends, he was a very humble person who was a great role model… fly high🕊️
That's why i am am a MF because good people suffer. My dad is P O S he just turn 90 only the good die youngğ
Where is God Jesus and the angels ?
So sorry about the family lost
I have owned a 1971 Piper Cherokee 140 since 1989. The safest use is sitting in the hanger. Treating it like a car, going anywhere anytime is dangerous. I have only flown it about 200 hours in all this time. Unless you are mechanical gifted and can determine detect problems. Primary purpose usually is training. Even professionals with 3000 hours have had mid air collisions in small aircraft. Assuming no mechanical failures likely, weather is a big killer and mid airs. Yet they say statistics prove its more dangerous to drive to the airport. I would never take my grand children up. Short hops in stable good weather local flying seems to be safest.
Sorry, I totally disagree. Yes, even pilots with high time do crash airplanes. But part of that is because they become complacent. If you are well trained and you are meticulous it is highly unlikely that you are going to crash. I use my Cessna 182 to fly back and forth to work once or twice a week since I work week long stretches, and we use it for recreation and travel. I even had an engine out episode and landed safely. I am instrument rated and so we often fly in instrument conditions where visibility is minimal to nothing. We mitigate risk by making sure never to fly in any kind of storm or closer than 20 miles away from a thunderstorm. I do a meticulous preflight every time, perform weight and balance calculations meticulously before any flight where we are carrying passengers or luggage.
I train at least three hours a month for every conceivable emergency. The most common things that get people killed are overloading or improper balance, believe it or not, running out of fuel, and failing to run through checklists and reset altimeter frequently. Pilots sometimes just fly into terrain because the terrain rises and they don't. We have taken numerous family and friends on many flights and I have canceled flights when the weather is unfavorable. The default is always not to fly. Don't blame the airplane. A well maintained Piper Cherokee is a safe plane with a well trained and meticulous pilot at the helm who never overloads or improperly balances the airplane. If you only fly 200 hours in 30 years you simply have no business flying. If your plane is sitting around in a hangar hardly flying at all it is in no shape to fly.
I was asked to pick up some friends from a small airport in the high country of North Carolina on a summer day. After doing weight and balance as well as take off distance and climb calculations and adjusting for density altitude I informed them that they would have to drive to a larger airport with a longer runway for me to pick them up. Yes, had I picked them up at the small airport we could have been a statistic. But, I concluded that there was not a high enough margin of safety, so they drove a bit further to a larger airport with a longer runway and we had an uneventful flight. Why do people crash? They crash because they don't like to say no to people or to say unable or to change plans, or they inadvertently fly into instrument conditions when they are untrained and are not on an instrument flight plan, or they play around with cameras and taking cell phone pictures instead of paying attention to matters at hand, or they have reduced engine power and pull up instead of pushing down and gliding.
As long as a pilot is intelligent about these things and concerns him or herself with safety above all else general aviation is safe. There are some 40,000 automobile deaths per year in the United States yet people still drive. Driving is not unsafe, but driving improperly is. I use my favorite word with my friends, family and with ATC when I do not believe their expectations are reasonable. Unable.
So sad,
So sad😢
Piper PA-46-310P Malibu N85PG
The victims have been identified as Laura Van Epps, 43, Ryan Van Epps, 42, James Van Epps, 12, Harrison Van Epps, 10; and Roger Beggs, 76. Beggs was piloting the aircraft when it went down. Ryan Van Epps is listed as the CEO of the business N85PG, LLC which owns the aircraft.
The passengers are all family members from Georgia and were in Cooperstown, New York, for a baseball tournament over the weekend. The accident happened on their way to West Virginia to refuel on their way home to Cobb County International Airport, Georgia, near Marietta, GA. Apparently, they lived at Richmond Glen Circle, Alpharetta, GA 30004.
No need to put their address up here. Reported.
@@calvinhobbes6118 People need to see the home so they can determine if it's acceptably modest or not. If it's too ostentatious, then the hate and vitriol will flow like a river. Envy is a helluva drug.
As someone who knows the pilot, you need to edit your comment and DELETE THE ADDRESS NOW!!! He has a widow now who is older!!!! Not ok!!!
I sometimes hear these little buzzer planes fly over my house in middle of night. They sound like they are lost barely clearing the tree tops. Scary!
Wow. RIP
Look at what he did for a living. May God Bless this family.
Condolences to the families and friends.
Atleast theydid not linger for months in a hospital.
He lived in my area, I didn’t know him, but a lot people I know did. It’s so sad, LLJR🕊️(he’s around my age, I’m older)
The artist formerly known as Prince has reincarnated and become a news correspondent.
🙏🙏🙏
In 2020, 1,007 small private plane crashes were reported in the U.S. That's just in one year.
These small, private aircraft are crashing all over the country… I think Florida leads the way. Seems like they have several crash each year. I don’t know if it’s pilot error…poor maintenance or both but it’s become an epidemic.
7 out of 10 crashes are not accidents, sadly. I'd watch what becomes of the Man's Business and their Finances or Fortune, as many can be targeted. May the Family and Pilot Rest in Peace. I pray no evil was afoot. Deepest Sympathies to the rest of their Families, Friends, Co-workers and Community.
Many Thanks to those who located the Crash Site very fast and handled the necessities, prayers to and for each as well.
@@5thribroarn304 Citation needed for your BS "statistic". What is your evidence-backed source of "7 out of 10 crashes are not accidents"? And you're implying this was an assassination via sabotage?!?
Facepalm. CZcams constantly reminds me that I share this planet with some REALLY strange people.
It's safer to fly commercial airlines only. They have up to date avionics. See my first comment.
This plane flew super low over my house and it probably could have touched the roof. I thought that it was to low to be ok. Yea i live in Richfield springs and that is 20 minutes or so away from Cooperstown
How was the weather like when the plane passed over your home? This is very relevant to learn what might have happened to the pilot.
This airplane had wing separation at 9,000 feet. If it "flew super low over your house" it was because it was on approach or departure. It did not crash at low altitude and exhibited no problems until the sudden catastrophic structural failure at high altitude.
@@josechemistthe sky was clear and very sunny although when I looked up at it the wings looked shorter than usual, that's what made me think it was gonna crash.
@@jtocwruthe only airport near me is a good 45 minutes away so it couldn't have been just landing or taking off
I doubt it was the same plane as Richfield Springs insnt in the path from Oneonta to Masonville... the weather was bad that day also...very windy and rolling storms...!!
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We are living in our last days.
People have been saying that for 2000 years.
Why? Because a plane crashed? Get a grip on reality.
I think he meant "we are living in our last days" implying we all have a finite time span.
@@rockpadstudios poorly worded
@@Feribrat99 sometimes we type to quick
RIP😢😢
😢😢😢😢
at least say the type of airplane
1985 Piper Malibu Mirage
Literally says it at :40 seconds.
Awful event. 😢
what happe
To be blunt, a wing ripped off at 9,000 feet. It was extremely, EXTREMELY gusty in central NY on Sunday. Moderate to severe turbulence was likely a factor, BUT also the fact that a 1985 Piper Malibu almost definitely has wing spar corrosion that hadn't been discovered. There are many cases of Piper aircraft of this vintage having catastrophic structural failure of the wings due to corroded and cracked wing spars.
I guess when you’re in a rush to get home, we’re in a rush to get to a game aircraft and helicopters are not the way to go. Just ask Kobe.
Not nice 👍
As someone who knew the pilot, this is very rude and uncalled for. STOP IT and BE BETTER
@@cmwd9734 sorry for you’re loss. My prayers are with you and the families
WTFlight ?‼️ 🤔🤔
Parachutes failed to open
Not nice be respectful
News Nation 😂
Wealthy people didnt think the laws applied to them
Gravity doesn't care
What a dumb and gauche thing to say. They were flying a 40-year-old, piston-engined airplane that had structural failure. This wasn't a million-dollar composite turboprop with LCD instruments. I'm sure they were upper middle class people, but not high-society snobs with full time butlers and bathroom attendants.
We knew the pilot. This comment is untrue and rude.
@@cmwd9734 Agreed, and I didn't know the family. Keyboard courage