Harley-Davidson Engine, Is The Latest The Greatest
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- čas přidán 11. 09. 2024
- Is the Harley-Davidson Engine of late truly an upgrade over the Twin Cam? The Milwaukee 8 does have a lot of high points when compared to the Twin Cam 103, but also it's fair share of lows. There's a lot of knowledge out there on the Twin Cam and the M8 engine is catching up. You might find out on the road a lot of Indy shops may not stock a lot of M8 parts but have everything you could ever need for a twin cam. The latest Harley-Davidson engine no doubt makes some serious power but the Twin Cam engine can still run pretty close to it with the proper modifications. You for sure need to ride bikes powered by an M8 and a Twin Cam 103 and decide which engine you prefer.
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What engine do you prefer personally, the Milwaukee 8 or the Twin Cam 103?
EVO
Twin Cam 103, I don't like how the M8 sounds. Twin Cam 103 sounds awesome.
Milwaukee 8
Twin cam 110. Although the reality is, the M8 is a better engine as far as creating more HP and having a broader torque curve.
One of each 👍🏽
Only have a 88 and 103 HO twin cam. Best thing about them is they are fully paid for. Lol
My 14 roadking
👍👍
That's worth a lot!!
Ditto 2014 Streetglide Firefighter 103 HO and 2005 88B Deuce. PAID FOR .My main concern is reliability and longevity . If i wanted to go balls out id buy a Jap bike for a third maybe half the price of tarting a HD motor up .👍🇺🇸🇬🇧😎
I have a 88 bored to 107 that easily keeps up with a 114. It’s a joy to ride.
I've test ridden all the new tourers since the Evo and every one of them just makes me feel that I already have one of these. If I wanted to drag race I would not be looking at a Harley so the increases in torque and horse power are meaningless. My 97 Evo Road King and I have been everywhere at least twice over the years. It's always given me everything I've wanted from a motorcycle and will be my last bike.
Stick with your EVO ,twin cam ,mil8 crap ola
Iam with you brother👍💯
EVO 's RULE ! My little one man shop has given me a ton of experience with TC & M8 motors ! Stay away from 2007 & up bikes !!!!!
@@leonardstanford1877 agreed ,my 1964 panhead gets me wherever I want to go then back home since 1974 ! April 2021 I purchased a 7,300 mile
1999 EVO heritage ,before I rode it ,upgraded inner can bearing ,adjustable pushrods .this is a excellent channel ,
EVO/RK's rule ! Most reliable bike out there !
I’ll stick with my 2002 TC 88’s, carb’d, well, they started life an 88. I love everything about this generation, no rider aide’s, cable throttle and clutch, no abs, simple. Granted, map sensor, TCM and electronic ignition but never had an issue. Rode the M8’s and they feel more metric, power comes on later, very smooth and linear. TC’s the power comes on like a tractor, just torque out the gates.
Totally agree. Mine is a carb'd 04, bored to 95". Wouldn't trade it for a new one if they gave ME money.
Agreed!! My TC96 6 speed street glide is amazing!! The second I snap that throttle back she comes alive! No lag, no wait no nothing! Just power as soon as I want it
YEP!! Mine is a 2002 88TC. Carb. 95 big bore massive head work bigger valves and springs SS 583 cam 2into1 exhaust. I think to 88 TC is the best bang for the buck!!
@@rodleithner7931 it really is. My 2002 Night Train is a 95” stage 4 100/100 and my 2002 Electra Glide Standard has 140 miles on the 107” stroker stage 4 w/ Tman 590’s. Best part is when I pulled the 4” stroke flywheel with 70k on it, I couldn’t tell the difference between the OEM Timken and the brand new one I installed. Runout on the original was under .0200”, basically still new, not even a blemish on the races. Idk about the stroker yet but those 4” stroke kits will run forever and never overheat, unless you’re sitting in desert heat traffic, worst condition’s possible.
@@tomdean8416 agreed, same here
I went from a 96 Twin Cam to a 107 M8 and I love the difference. My M8 is now a 124 with 550 cam and it's a torque monster.
until your plastic lifter guides fail and your crank shaft moves
My experience computers in the ‘90s with trying to stay on the cutting edge of technology taught me a valuable, and very expensive, lesson. I learned how to be content with what I had and that I really didn’t need the latest and “greatest”. Transferring this experience to my return to motorcycles has allowed me to be truly satisfied with my recently acquired 16 year old Dyna Wide Glide with its 88 inch Twin Cam. Technology is great stuff as long as it serves you and you don’t end up serving it.
So true. Just got a 2012 103 road king (Craiglist) and loving it. Had to start riding again before it’s to late. I’m 66
@@Oldnumber66, same here, I’m 67. I bought my bike in December last year and when I started riding it this Spring, and was really rusty, I realized it had been 31 years since I had ridden last. When I was a teenager I rode dirt bike a lot which gave me some excellent instincts and reflexes but they sure were in need of refreshing when I started riding again this Spring.
68yrs old here ! RK-Police has been my last few rides, true-get out there and ride ! You don't know when the last one will come.....
" Technology is great stuff as long as it serves you and you don’t end up serving it" That's the problem. Most people wind up becoming slaves to technology. I don't own any EFI vehicles, and I use a '90s style flip phone.
@@geraldscott4302, it’s far less expensive if you can be content with technology that’s “matured” rather than needing to have what’s fresh of the presses. Learning to be content with what I have is one of the most valuable lessons that I’ve learned. It’s just a little sad that it took me so long to learn it. I’m refusing to take part in the rat race any longer despite all the efforts of Madison Avenue and their high pressure ads telling how badly I need all the products they’re pitching.
I’m new to riding, only two years, but I’ve only ridden Harleys. I started on an iron 883 and was going to trade up to a 2015 low rider dyna with the 103 HO engine and a stage 1. Beautiful bike, sounded amazing! I was ready to sign the paperwork before I got around the block, but then I rode a M8 slim and everything changed. I ended up with my ‘21 FXLRS with the 114 but it’s not just the very noticeable increase in power, it was the whole ride quality, the suspension, the handling, the comfort, and yeah, the power. I’d still love to get ahold of a good 103 bike at some point, but if I’m making payments on just one motorcycle I decided it would have to be the M8 bike.
Had a 103,put over 150 thousand miles on it...I've seen the new engines having issues and have only seen one the made it to around 70,000 miles before it quit
Every new model has issues at first. As he said, there is improvements with the 2020-current M8's.
Exactly why if I finish my current project I might get a Harley for a second bike. But 600-800 lbs wet weight? Harley needs a strong lightweight setup and more hp out of the M8. I don’t have to have the quickest bike but I don’t want to have to play catch-up all the time.
EU5 hosing up new bikes with gadgetry, safer perhaps, a bit slower. But I personally find Hinckley Triumph triples to be an interesting foundation for a modern inexpensive but quick bike that’s not over stressed w/ a 12.5::1 compression ratio for example. Because why not? Cheap quick fun. It just seems like you need $$$ to get 150-170 hp on a heavy bike. Or put a little work into an older pre electronic nannies bike and start where M8s end. Sorry just a fact. No disrespect. I just prefer zoom over cruise, or something like that. Condemned to being a bad boy for life I guess lol.
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I have a 2020 m8 107 and have 50k miles. No issues, time will tell how reliable these engines really are.
the M8 isn't really a new engine anymore. it's been out since 2017. that was quite a while ago. most of these issues have been ironed out on the current models with very few to report. overall the M8 seems to be a proven reliable engine so long as you don't do any crazy modifications to it.
2012 103 awesome. 85k. No problems. Changed out cams, timken bearings and tensioners. Dealer keeps trying to sell me new. Meh. What would the $30,000 bike do that mine doesn’t??
FYI, Mobil 1 all the time.
Let me say a twin cam 88 bored to 107 sounds better than m8 engine. Yes the m8 provides more numbers on the dyno. I have a twin cam that turns heads with good amount of torque in the saddle.
Agreed. Those M8 bikes are nice, but I love my twin-cam 103 HO. It fits me just right. Besides, I can't justify the cost right now to go M8 and then spend the extra money to dress it up the way I like.
Same here love my 103 HO Road king
I've had all the twin cam sizes and the 103 I liked the most.
Love my 01 88 TC,favourite bike I’ve owned ,fancy a new 117 but just cannot justify the cost ,if I want speed I ride my H2SX if I want to move my soul ,my 88 is just what the doctor ordered 👍🏻
My 103” is my favorite.. there’s gotta be someone out there making 4-valve heads for the twin cam..
Just have solid head work done. 7 angle valve job, you'll thank me later.
Rivera / fueling use to make a 4 valve head for evo's. Was a pretty nice setup. Not sure how much was gained from it though. I've never seen a 4 valve twin cam head but, knowing this, it is a good possibility.
Contact Kevin Baxter he's on CZcams has a shop in Tennessee somewhere
799$ for stage 1.8 cnc @zippers very good for baggers & torque cam.
I did it with 57h cams & .030 head gaskets & left the stock pistons in.
I wish someone made 4 valve heads for the twin cam!
I had a 2016 twin cam, had valve stem issues at 30,000 so took opportunity to install a stage 3 110. The bike was noisy before but even noisier after upgrade. It immediately destroyed a compensator and even a brand new one was chunking along. I bit the bullet and bought a 114, 2021 and upgraded to a torque cam. The M8 is so much better in power, vibration and heat. It’s a no brainer. If you can afford an M8, just buy one.
113” evo. Love it.
Right on!
I own two 103s, a 2010 Ultra Limited and 2016 Heritage. I love them both. They do everything that I could ask for while sounding and feeling fantastic. I wouldn’t mind adding something with the 117 to the party but at this time I just can’t motivate myself to lay down that kind of cash. Might go the other way next bike and get an Evo or a Shovel. Had several of them in the past and kinda miss the simplicity of their designs.
I have a 16 electra glide and a 12 street glide even tho i never rode one of the m8s im sure i would like it but i like twin cams there are good enough for me rather have 2 bikes than 1 new one any day
Just put a good cam in
Cyclorama 570-2. I put them in my ,12 streetglide at 56k miles. 98.7 h.p and 116 ftlbs tourque. Work done by shaffers h.d. in owigsburg pa. New pipes and expertly tuned power vision. 31 degrees of timing. It's a rocket now. Stock untouched top end.
I’ve ridden the 114 and it did not motivate me enough to give up my 103. Seriously considered it for a minute
Don't understand the constant change year to year. My 08 twin cam 96 had 77000 on it when I sold it. No issues. Plenty of power and reliable. Not to mention looked like new.
Tc88 A and The Shovel 🤘
Had a 15 103 no issues. Great motor. Traded for 17 CVO SG nothing but trouble. Sold and went back to a 14 model 103. One happy camper.
I have the 2021 Roadglide, no oil sumping issues. Also M8s run a lot cooler. Cooler engines inherently last longer and are more comfortable. M8 s have a nice oil cooler.
Have owned 88, 96, 103, 107, and now 114. All these bikes had cam changes exhaust etc, with no head work. The 114 is bye far my favorite of all. The 103 had a 585 cam and would love to run against it with the 114, curious because that 585 setup hit strong. M8 for me, just like the whole setup.
I Have a Twin Cam 96
Thats what's in my 07 heritage with andrews 555 lify cams and thats it. I'm looking into a 96 to 103 kit now gonna keep cams I have unless they need replacing. I love my bike and thundermax tuner
Hands down, the Evo-engined HD was/is the most reliable one so far ! Trashed the engine in my '01RK because I didn't know about the cam issue. My current RK cost me $1,500 to get the cams/shoes replaced @ 30K miles !
The Evo I had the longest had 200K on it and NO major issues !!!
I'll be honest...never rode the older engines...the 2020 M8 is my first Harley. The M8 engine was a big reason I went with Harley when we started looking for a new ride!...I did wait a few years before buying...wanted to make sure the "kinks" were worked out!...not a fan of buying the first gen of anything!!😎👍...great video....stay safe...ride safe!😎👍🤙👍🤙🇨🇦
I have watched many of your videos. Thanks so much for making them. I am learning a great deal.
Staying with my 96 twin cam, have not found a bike with a Milwaukee 8 that's as comfortable as my Fat Bob,
Came off a 12’ 103 tc to a 21’ 114 and love’em both. Also got a 97’ EVO and love that too lol
Have 1 of each, M8 with Wood Perf stage 2 XE cam on 18' Street Bob 4k miles, and 05 Road King with TC88 Bog bore, 70k miles, wife and I road bike. Love them both, would ride either across country tommorow if I could, great vid..God bless us all.
Hey brother I had a brand new M8 it was ok sold it and brought my 2015 twin cam RG I'm very happy with it.
Sounds awesome and grunty just my preference.
All the best from NZ 🇳🇿
I love my twincam 96ci 07year, it runs smooth and sweet that's all I need, iam very happy with it no doubt about it,23k and I hope it remains like it is👍
My dyna street bob has the 110 tire shredder kit making 106hp and 122tq, more than enough power to get me in trouble. That 110 definitely sounds unique especially when next to a m8
If I ever decide to sell my 103 I will not be getting an M8 only other bike I could see myself on beside my dyna would be an FXR
I have a TC88 with S&S cams, plenty of power for everything I do. Chasing big HP on a Harley is a mug's game.
I bought a 200hp naked bike for half the price of my Harley, rides amazing but rarely ride it because it's a one trick pony, ride fast, ride faster, ride even faster & probably die.
Would rather have older bike without electronics, cause when the EMP hits I'll still be riding .
you'll be drafted not riding around.
I noticed going from a cvo 110 to a 107 M8. The Milwaukee felt like a narrow power band. I couldn’t rev it up as high as my twin cam. I had to learn to shift earlier and lean on the torque and grunt to accelerate instead of dropping gears and winding it up. I’m on a Milwaukee 8 114 now and this motor likes to be revved up a little more than the 107 did. I don’t need a tire shredder, this 114 feels really strong. I think from the seat of my pants it would run with if not walk away from a cvo 110. I’m happy with my stock 114. I’ll probably install a cam, exhaust and tune at some point but not high on my priorities right now….. oh, my 114 is getting 47mpg two up. Forget my thoughts of modifications, fuel economy where the bike already feels pretty strong, I’ll keep it stock. I don’t like the road glide tho…. I miss my batwing😢
I've had all displacement twin cam motors and I like m8 much better. All my bikes were and are stock. Great channel thanks.
The stock M8 on my 22 Road Glide Limited exploded at 1700 miles or so. Harley has had it for 3 months for warranty repair. There's been a lot of disappointment.
EVO is the best motor for reliability HD ever made. Honestly as a Harley Davidson Certified Master Tech, I won't own a Harley built after 2002 because of the cheap ass bearings that they continue to install in the Crankshaft and Camshaft Compartment. If you absolutely have to have an HD and EFI, buy a 2002. But if ya want a solid reliable motor that has next to no issues as long as you keep up on general maintenance, buy an EVO. My 1997 FLHRPI (has a carb on it) had 298k on it before I rebuilt and my boss's 1986 FXST had 547k before it was ever torn into. You can also build a lot of power out of EVOs with simple upgrades that don't even require a big bore kit. 10.5/1 Compression Pistons, a .510 lift Cam, and a 7 angle Valve Job and an EVO will make 80hp and 80+ FTLBS of Torque. And it'll do it reliably for quite sometime.
When I saw this Chanel the main reason I subscribed was the name GixxerFoo. I owned a Hayabusa so I figured it fit. Funny thing is I’ve own Harleys for over 55 years and this guy give great information about each motor and model.
Keep up the great work Foo !!
I love the sound that my cammed 103 makes. I was going to trade in my slim for an M8 low rider, but I didn't care for the 107. It's a vanilla feeling and sounding motor compared to the twin cam. I do understand that an aftermarket exhaust can remedy that to a certain degree, but it still doesn't sound as raw as the twin cam, in my opinion.
Give me the 103 TC any day!
The M8 is for the big baggers and riding down the highway at top end. The 103 will carve the twisty and out preform.
I'm new rider but familiar with a lot of old Harley. I rode with my dad when i was young. Sometimes help fix his and learn from him. He's old school. He built many TC. I rode few new M8 bikes. 114/117 is very satisfied for me. More aftermarket will be available for M8 in next few years. Road King is my favorite. I always enjoy sounds from both bike. Both are amazing if you built properly or maintain properly.
Love my 17 deluxe with a 103HO keeps up with wifes 2019 street bob with a 107 just fine. The twin cam definitely sounds better from factory and i think has plenty of power stock.
I bought a 2017 ultra limited with very low miles in 2019 for a great price because of the oil pump videos out there scaring the hell out of Harley owners, I went ahead and put the S&S 475 cam chest kit in myself and new head pipe plus DBX40 pipes along with the thunder max ecm best Harley I have ever ridden or owned and by the way I still own my 1986 Softail custom for 30 years now which I will never sell.
My 2018 M8 did have significant oil in the air cleaner between services. Went stage 2 and changed oil pump to updated one. No carry over at all. Best part the bike runs like a raped ape. Over 30k and it's all good. One item did surface. Intake seal developed a leak which was no problem. Decided to poke around in the cam cover and found one of the chain tensioners in less than good condition. It's all good brother!
Had a 88, last year a 103 and two weeks ago a 114 Ultra. Really liked the sound with the 103 but yup the 114 is just so much more refined as is the entire bike along with technology which I really like. Do miss the 103 as sound going through the gears bothup and down was just so so good. All good 👍
I upgraded my 2017 FLHTK M8 with a 468 Zippers cam, a S&S Oilpump and Camplate kit, a Ness Big Sucker filter, got rid of the Cat and made it a 2-1 pipe with a Firebrand Loose Canon muffler, a V&H FP3 programmer, made a Case-vent out of the Gearbox top-cover, a 2-1 top-vent on the Ness Bigsucker, a DK relocation oilfilterkit, a Jagg oil cooler kit, lifted the Gastank 2” for better cooliing, a new set of Moroso Spark Plug wires and 4 x NGK Iridium spark-plugs,….and finally I feel I’m beginning to be there….😂👍🏻
And your mileage is?
56.000 on the TwinCam and 97.000 on the M8, and absolutely no issues at all 👍🏻🇺🇸☠️
Depending on your point of reference. The early and I mean early engines were as good as the competition and often better. The eight valve racers and even the flat head motors were as good as anything else. Even the knuckle head pan or shovel were out there. Alas as the evo arrived it solved many issues but was left so far behind. Twin cam or m8 are in reality 30 or 40 years too late but still 1/2 a century behind.
I will be buying an m8 next year but not because of its progress.
Love my 103HO!
I have owned the twin cam 88 and from that experience I would not own any of their later trash I will stick to my Evo yes the others may have more power but my Evo goes faster than I want to go on public streets anyway and almost for got I never have to work on it well all most I had to put a new stator on it but hey that is a lot better than having your pressed togather flywheels shift on you and yes they can do that
88, stage 1, S&S 509 cams, V&H true duals/ eliminator 400 exhaust, and fuelpak… runs the way I like, and paid for! Don’t see the need for more power.
The new soft tail frame update is a game changer for me. I've own earlier soft tails and they weren't very soft or as flickable. I really enjoy my new 2022 Heritage a lot more then the 2001 Deuce that I owned. Even more then the 2017 Street Glide special that I traded in.
Could have bought anything and still did the 103. Added a big cam and maybe it’s a bit scary at 100+ and I’m sure the new bikes handle better and go faster with the same work. Like a Honda. Omg the sound my bike makes is just magical. Anyway the new bike are really nice also so you ain’t done wrong if you bought one.
This video gave me mixed feelings. I had a 2016 SGS loved it. Great bike with the 103. I got rid of the heat I was happy. But then I traded it for a 2022 SGS 114. I am happy to hear that I have a better oil pump and 4 valves per cylinder. I bought it thinking soon I will have to put $$ into the 103 with 36000 miles on it. So rather than spend $$ on repairs, I spend $$ on a new bike. I do love my new bike. But I may not have had to spend money on the 103. I do enjoy all the upgrades on the 2022.
I have fat bob 103 no complaints 👍👍
Awesome explanations. The debate continues TC or M8? I'll say this about the M8, horses cost money! You can buy 2 decent twincams for the costs of one M8 + performance add ons. A little head work on a 103TC and a mid range Cam will definatley keep you smiling when pulling up to an M8, lol
I like the M8 , although there's nothing wrong with the twin cam. Great video Gixx, see you next week
TC for me, great viids
All of my experience is with a TC 88B but it would be nice to get on a new M8 touring bike.
I have a twincam and its runs great but i wouldn't mind owning a new 114, im just not putting out the scratch for the exact same bike just a few years newer 2014- 2022 aren't much difference. I like my streetglide for comfort but I've been considering buying a "power crusier" for short rides like a rocket3, vmax, or even a m109r
Those new 114's are some serious $$$
@@GixxerFoo lol no doubt about that, everything has gone up, i remember being able to buy a new truck for around $40k i priced some earlier this year that where $80-$90k 😵💫
Buy a VMax if you're looking for a power cruiser. Then have Ivan refresh your ECU if you by a EFI model.
I love my 2023 Street Glide 107. Plenty of power for just cruising, which I prefer. I owned a 2020 114 that sumped and destroyed the engine. My fingers are crossed with my 107.
I will keep my Twin cam and 5 speed thank you
Great content - once again, brother
I have a 2009 Road King with many high end modifications and I wouldn’t trade that for a stock M8 Harley. The sound, vibration and just overall ride feel of it just can’t be compared. Yes, the new M8 might have more overall speed or performance but mine does just fine and racing is not my intend. Is the ride enjoyment that I desire.
It will be interesting to see how the the new water cooled engines reveal as they come out and are used by the public
Got the best of both worlds. 2016 bike with all the new gear but a built twin cam. M8's still aren't making the power I am already
I think after having several Harley’s in the past 40 years, I really like my 2017 M8 the power from a stock motor is very pleasing, compared to my 1986 softail which will be with me till the end of my days.
I'll keep running my 98" Shovelhead
Yeah. Had a 96 twincam. 77000 miles. Paid for. Looked and ran like new. Sold it. Fell for new bike fever. The m8 is ok but it mostly about power. .
How are they still using belts on these so called 150 hp M8 ?
I’ve seen 100 hp highly modified 1200 sportsters That had to change to chain drive.
Still riding an 80 inch Evo. It's been paid forever and I don't have a need to race people. Oh, and my base gaskets have never leaked...yet.
Wait, Harley has all the bells and whistles like a Goldwing or a BMW? I got screwed. Recently purchased a 2022 Harley but no radio, GPS or such. Oh wait, I purchased a Heritage 114, never mind. I personally like the M8 engine in my Harley. Of course I’m biased as this is my first Harley as I come from Japanese in-line fours. Another reason why I like the M8 is cause balancers 😮. Having fun on my Heritage for sure. My brother owns a 2011 Softail I believe and a 2016 Fat Bob, both with 103’s and he likes them. Each to his own.
I'm happy with my 01 FXDX 88. Did cam plate, oil pump, 510 cam, gear drive, Mikuni, super trapp. Light and fast
Only bike I ever regret selling was a 1999 FXDX.
Long live the twin cam....the screamin eagle 120r to be exact...
Yamaha Road star 2004
1700 cc
four valves per cylinder
Hemispherical combustion chamber (pent roof)
Dual plugs per cylinder
ceramic line cylinders no overheating
45 pound fly wheels 10 pounds heavier than Harley Davidson
automotive style crankshaft and connecting rods
100 pound feet of torque coming in at 2250 RPM all the way through the power band
Everything in engine is gear to gear no chains
no cam chain tensioners
And all of this engineered back in 1999
I ride it like I stole it every time
Paid $2800. Absolutely beautiful
2nd set of cruise tecs battery
Oil changes new enrichiner cable
All filters
11,800 miles trouble free
Just sayin …….
11,800 on a 19 year old bike = 621 miles per year! You don't like it that much! 😉
Brian
My motorcycle has 32,000 miles .
I have ridden 5000 miles for each of the last two years I live in northeast Pennsylvania in a very rural area and have open highways and open back roads.
I Just didn’t elaborate enough ..safe travels
I sell harleys for a living so im surrounded by both engines everyday... trust me its a good problem to have. Ive ridden every twin cam and m8 engine. For me the m8 is such a great engine. You feel the smoothness of the ride, and torque that is just simply amazing. Spend the extra money and get that old technology outta here.
Own a 2010 Road Glide 96 cu inch Road Glide. Tested a 2021 107 M8 Road Glide two weeks ago. The bike did not move the needle for me.
The compensators on the 103's were junk, had to replace mine at 10K, sounded like someone was hitting the primary with a ball peen hammer. All the M8 touring bikes are too expensive and too heavy so I made the switch to a BMW K1600 bagger. Now my Harley riding buddies struggle to keep up!
Gixxer, I have a 2016 Harley Davidson Breakout with the 103 and I haven't had any issues.. I do have to say that I had the BCM changed control module because I kept getting a check engine light. Otherwise everything has been great it's been running fine
The 114 M8 really shines on the highway, that’s where you feel the difference, way more power in 6th gear
Always great vids and info! Thanks!
I enjoyed and learned a lot from your videos. Could you help with one question: I test rode the 2022 M8/ 117 Lowrider S and notice a faint, constant rattling ( or faint clicking sound ) coming from the front of the engine ( especially when it’s under 2000 RPM ), is it normal ? ( I could also hear it when watching videos about the Lowrider S on CZcams…) Thanks so much.
Could you put together a video on the difference between the water pump on earlier twin cam Rushmore bikes vs the M8 bikes? And if the earlier Rushmore’s will gain any benefit from updating the pump?
Add power to the M8 you better replace the compensator. They have been known to explode. You have two choices. Darkhorse or Moonshine Harley replacement compensators. I find it interesting that Harley-Davidson has been building motorcycles for over 100+ years and they still cannot get it right. 👍
Everyone in the Harley community loves a certain engine but I think we can all agree the M8 has the edge with all the tech. Wonder how far a revmax can be taken…
Considering getting rid of my 17M8...hopefully it's not being scared from watching videos.
i ride 2007 night train , its 96 engine , its very hot between my legs specialy in traffic jam , after watching yer videos i was thinking to get 103` Road King cuz you said its best engine and why road king is because the lower exhaust system . I have had 87 electra glide Evo and honestly i only have problem with it ,so sold .
I'll keep my 05 twin cam and my 71 sportster they run well and are payed for and looking good can add alot to them for the price of a new one
If you want reliability ,buy a late Evo Motor . The Evo Sportster Is even being touted as one of the most dependable motorcycles ever by Japanese Bike loving magazines like Cycle World! It cracks me up all the Hipsters who say oh Sportsters are girls bikes! Meanwhile ,they are wearing 1 k Dollars of HD Motor Clothing ,shiny leather chaps ,walkie talkie headsets , GPS Navigation System and they could not change a spark plug by themselves! Lol! The guys I knew who built and rode Sportsters would knock you out with one punch!! Just added a 03 V Rod to my garage ,my 87 FXR runs great but this V Rod will leave all the built up Twinkies and Milwaukee 8's looking at my tail light all day long .
Great video though ,you do a nice job breaking stuff down. Cheers!
I will stick with my 103 ho
Me too! But I'm considering a possible cam change
There's enough cheaply made parts in the M-8, that the number of cam shafts is the least of their worries.
Have 2 103 bikes love them one HO one normal don't see any m8s in my future but they are nice
I've got an 80/1340 96 roadking with over 59k miles..only regular maintenance...Harley doesn't make them that reliable anymore..fact
TWIN CAM ALL DAY 😎
Amen ; better mileage on the m8 also . Like 10 more miles to the gal . But that that would be a lot of gas to offset price of one . ✊🏻👍👌🙏
Is that a fart at the end of all his videos? LMAO
I'd like to own an m8. But my 103 is mine and paid for. And my ears prefer my 103 over the sound of my father inlaws 114. His bike is beautiful. But it really does sound like a sewing machine.
I have a 96 TC FXSTC and a 103 Road King. Both engines have been trouble free and easy to work on. I am not at all impressed with the M8. The early versions had some serious problems and I'm not convinced that HD has resolved all of them. I'd like the TC better if it had only one cam but it is what it is. Unless sanity comes to the out the door price of a Breakout the chances of me ever buying an M8 new or used is pretty much zero. Should I ever need another Harley I'm just buy a used TC FXSTC, probably a 6-speed. 100 HP (easily attained with a TC) is all the power I need. Chasing ever increasing displacement numbers is a fool's game. I always install an oil cooler first thing and my engine runs cool. Too cool sometimes which is why I have a cover for the cooler.
for me it has to be the evo.
This is a no brainer. The M8 is a far superior platform. My relatively mild 131 build will flat out smoke 99.9 % of all twin cams. Twin cams are ok but they don’t compare to M8