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More Prototyping and Testing - Howa Rifles and Randy Newberg
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- čas přidán 23. 09. 2018
- As part of his continued field testing for Howa rifles, Randy has another batch of Howa rifles on H-S Precision stocks. Again, he has Leupold VX-5 scopes mounted on them, using multiple CDS dials for each scope that allows him to use a variety of Nosler ammunition without much change to the scope settings.
These rifles will be used for antelope, deer, and elk. The goal is to inform Howa what will be the most versatile rifle for the hunter who primarily hunts deer or primarily hunts elk. Many hunters will only have one rifle, possibly two. We want that hunter to have the a rifle that covers the greatest number of possibilities with the fewest number of cartridges.
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This is a great rifle. I've had a 1500 in .308 since 1993 . Never a malfunction and is deadly accurate.
We think so to!
Sounds like a fun day on the range! Headed to Wyoming at the end of the week with my .270. Thank you for all your work on conservation and education!
Thanks. Good luck in WY.
It was an incredible experience, and I'm looking forward to eating my first taste of antelope tonight!
Good to see you looking better Randy
I’m definitely getting a Howa for my next rifle! Tried and true by randy means it’s gotta be good! Can’t wait to see new episodes from Alaska hunting, hope to meet you again one day, big fan!
They are cheaply made rifles. Pickup a Howa and rack the bolt. Then do the same on a Bergara and you'll definitely change that sentence.
@@LosDoyerss never used a bergara but howas are great. High end quality control, very accurate solid construction. As for bolt feel mine feels good to me but to each their own
I love to shoot my rifles "dirty". They are more accurate when I do. I make sure the cold bore shot is within the sub-MOA performance range, but as you said, unless I have an obstruction of some sort in the barrel, I leave it alone until the end of the season.
I agree. I also think the whole "Break in " is kinda overated.
Yup been proven
Just ordered a Howa HS Precision in .308 based on your recommendations and experience. I'm a 6.5 CM target shooter but I think your experience with the .308 proves its a great caliber for North American game. Thanks
Both are great cartridges. I suspect you will like the .308.
Looks like you are getting too many rifles and scopes ....might need to give some of them to your CZcams fans. Just a thought!
James Coulter since they would like to know I’d be happy with any of them but if I could choose I’d like to take that 308 off their hands thanks. Lol
yeah imma fan
Good luck Randy. I'm heading up to Wyoming on Saturday.
I know, fine walnut's the best gunstock material and all that, but those composite stocks on the Howa's look really, really nice.
Do you no what type of stocks they are
@@75robcam HS precision
Impressive quiver of rifles. You pretty much have anything you need covered. You will be impressed by the 6.5 if you have not had a lot of time with that cartridge yet.
I've had a couple of them for a few years now.
Love my 1500 in 223! Only rifle I've ever owned that can stick three shots in the same hole!
sticking shots in the same hole gets boring after a while though
thanks for showing the freaking groups.
I'm kind of surprised that Howa doesn't do barrel lapping at the factory like CZ does. Both are fantastic rifle manufacturers, Howa is especially a good value for the money, but CZ really offers old world craftsmanship and I like that a lot.
I think cz is definitely a little higher end but hard to go wrong with howa
they don't need breaking in with these modern barrels, that's a myth. Gunblue490 explains extensively how much of a myth barrel "break-in" really is...waste of ammo.
i just bought a howa 1500 in .308 with a scope and bipod and detachable mag.
Can’t wait until after prototyping is done so you can do a full breakdown review.
More info coming after season.
@@Fresh_Tracks have you made the review yet? Unless I missed it
I would also want to try a 140 grain Accubond in that 6.5 Creedmoore.
It will get a test drive with that.
Did they Pillar Bed them? I have a Weather Vangaurd that shot OK then I Pillar Bedded it and IIM getting 1" groups off the Lead Sled at 200 yards.
no, these are fully bedded actions with the HS Precisions. The Hogue model is pillar bedded which is a downgrade compared to these fully bedded actions.
Are you going to have one of these new models in 7mm-08
As you test these rifles would you mind posting the results along the way. Example: You 5 shot groups after sight in, When you change to a new bullets, ...
I see you are using 130 grain for the 270. I use to use the 130 until I started to shoot the Nosler AB or the ballistic tip and I have found the 140 grain group better and stay more accurate at longer distances.
Thanks for bring great videos to the public!!!
I used to hun with 270 and preferred the 140 grain bullets as well. Still shoots flat and I like the slightly bigger bullets
You said you use to hunt with a 270, what do you hunt with now. My 270 is my go to rifle and I think it is going to catch on as a long range gun as the bullet companies create some higher ballistic coefficient bullets. I had one shot kills on deer, antelope and elk. My dad used my 270 to shoot a once in a life time moose in Utah. That one took two shots. A great caliber!!!
I would like to see the results of Randy's 270 break in and then his targets out to 500 yards.
I replaced my 270 with a 6.5 Creedmoor. I also have a 30-06. I wanted to try something different in a short action caliber. I am not saying that the 6.5 CM is better than the 270. They are both great rounds. There is only so much time and so many rifles to try. In order to get the 6.5 CM, I sold my 270. Still the 270 is a great caliber and I would recommend it to a friend.
Am excitedly waiting for your next vid because I am planning to buy a howa in 270 caliber. Also where is the best place to buy howa?
Really wish Howa would release a 280 Remington
...all that 'break-in" would have been a handy time to chronograph those loads. Neighbor brought over a new Browning Hells Canyon & a couple boxes of Vortex ammo that chrono'd 150fps faster than advertised...
I have a chono and I do that after break in. Wow, 150 fps different is crazy for factory loads. I might see a variance of 10-15 fps, depending upon barrel length.
Randy, I know you’re a fan of the .308 as well as the 7mm-08. I’m curious to know your thoughts regarding the 6.5 Creedmoor for various hunting applications. Love the channel, keep up the great work!
I have two 6.5CM. Great round. I prefer the 7mm-08 as a more versatile cartridge. Others who hunt less elk would probably disagree,
@@Fresh_Tracks Please pardon my ignorance. Would you mind explaining to a newbie how the 7mm-08 is more versatile? The specs, seem to be "near enough, as to make no difference." I get that the 7mm will have a higher BC, but it appears one wouldn't really utilize that benefit under 400 yards. Out of the same model rifle, the .308 has more energy at under 300 yards. What becomes the deciding factor/s for you, when deciding between the two?
That looks like a range I shot at in Casper, Wyoming.
Barrel break in thoughts. 5r rifles don’t collect as much junk. In theory they are almost broken in news. Treated barrels with mirror would take much longer. Stainless would break in the quickest
Barrel break in is the biggest myth that's still perpetuated
I was hoping to see some group sizes. That’s a good day at the range but LOTS of cleaning doing 4 rifles.
It will be a few dozen more rounds before I start taking any faith in my group sizes.
Thats a loaded answer. LOL Is it that you are little rust shooting or the new Howas aren't shooting the way you want them to? Ive been looking into buying a Howa but Im not sure. Up here they are little expensive, They are hard to find, Im not sure what caliber I would like to buy it in.
No loaded answer. After barrel break in I scrub the barrel again, then get serious about my groups. Once I burn another 20 rounds I assess my groups. Suffice to say, these rifle/scope/combinations are performing better than me.
Tsk Tsk Randy. You are to honest. Im an ex competition shooter and the first thing they teach is ITS NEVER YOUR FAULT LOL. The wind, the sun was in my eye, I had a sneeze coming, the 356 hair on my head tickled me.LOL. Thanks for the show I enjoy your shows.
GREAT VIDEO THANKS ...
I use a 25-06 117 gr sst it's killed 10 deer and 3 elk shot placement is everything. Double lung or hart shot never go further then 50 yards most of them drop dead in their track. To many people shooting game in the sholder and running a bunch of meat
Hows your health Randy??
Better now. Thanks for asking.
Wish I could afford one of those nice
Are you going to use the 270 for elk
Looks like you raided my supply room, I use the same sled and cleaning setup. What are your thoughts on the Hogue pillar bed stocks that come on the Howa? I'm shooting 300 wm and it may need more rigidity for long range accuracy.
Man I am glad I don't have your job :P . I have a couple days off I need to burn, if you need a Range B****h let me know. Montana is not that far from Utah. I am looking forward to see your findings. Especially with the Creedmoor.
What happened to their stainless steel barrels?
They make a 7mm-08 in heavy or semi heavy barrel?
lead sleds are horrible for accuracy....use a bag and let the gun recoil. Best is to allow the guns to recoil straight back on a good bag and not bounce...that lead sled is putting a lot of stress on the stock and the impact and groups are significantly affected....
yep, I've said this for years.
I'm trying to find the .308 that's in this video. What howa rifle is it? I can't find one in stainless steel with the grey stock with black like the one in the video. I lost all 15 of my guns in a house fire and have had to borrow guns to hunt. I'd like to try one of these stainless howas. If someone could help identify what model I'd appreciate it
What are the cerakote colors of rifles featured in this video? Is that "hidden white" or some shade of gray?
one is stainless and the other is cerakote
Just wondering what were the groups with the 6.5 creedmore with that ammo ?
Stephen Smith what’s your thoughts on the 6.5 creedmoor for hunting ? planing on getting the Bergara HMR 6.5
@@enriquecorona9056 I have a howa that I won and my friend has a Ruger I would suggest a 140 gr accubond or berger for deer my friend has lost alot of deer with 129 gr sp
@@StephenSmith-uj7tk Your friend should learn how to shoot. I can drop a deer with a 22 rimfire.
@@D70340 I can definitely say that it wasn't from lack of not knowing how to shoot. An I agree with you 100% that you've probably killed deer with a 22.at the right distance. But since then my friend has switched to 140gr vld bergers and hasn't had one go more than 70 yds
@@D70340 I would never try that. Ethical only.
Randy do you think the 6.5 has enough juice for elk?
With good quality bullets, it surely does.
Thanks Randy I shoot my 6.5 creedmoor increasingly good using the Hornady Precision Hunter 143 gr ELD-X ammo it is unbelievable!!!! I know not Mosley but these are increadible
Incredibly good lol dern auto correct lol
It’s pretty much all shot placement and having good bullets. I’d rather elk hunt with someone who shoots a .270 very well than someone who has a $5,000 custom .300 RUM but could not hit an elk if it was asking him to. And remember, like Randy says, shoot until the elk is on the ground or you can’t anymore. Better to have a cautious guy shoot an elk 3 times in a good area than a cocky guy shoot once and you walk up there and he says “I swear I was right on him, must be my gun”
It's a hard life ain't it Randy😄
I'm spoiled.
Interested to see how that 270 does. I have a 270 and I love it.
I sure love my .270...best shooting rifle I own.
I have a few of them. All of them are great rifles.
Hey Randy, I'm curious if you have an opinion on .308s fired from a 20" barrel vs 22" barrel. Any real difference in performance? The rifle would be used primarily for deer and elk in the PNW.
I do have opinions. I've chonographed a lot of them. Variations in velocity are usually are 10-12 fps slower in 20" versus 22". Hardly enough to matter.
@@Fresh_Tracks Thanks.
Are the rifles going to shoot different in the field when you don't have that lead sled on your shoulder? Do you sight them in at the end without it because it changes how the rifle shoots
Spot on. Lead sleds aren't great for a few different reasons and POI shift is one of them!
I do all the break in via a sled. You see in many of our other videos we practice actual shooting positions of prone, sitting, off a bipod, off a pack, etc. Even with that, I see little, if any changes to point of impact.
C'mon Howa! I need a sub 5lbs 7mm-08!
They had the Alpine Mountain Rifle that was 5# 10 oz. Doubt they'll ever have a rifle under 5#.
@@Fresh_Tracks These new HS Precision rifles are now Howa's lightweight offering, aren't they? The HS Precision stocks are said to be a pound or less.
@@north005 Nope, not the lightweight system like the Alpine Mountain Rifle. But, we're working on something with HS that will be lightweight.
Hello Randy I am interested in getting a HOWA 1500 .308 due to your show. On the .308 do you run the 22” #2, STANDARD BARREL HS PRECISION STOCK or the 26" #4, SEMI HEAVY BARREL, HS PRECISION STOCK ? What is better in terms of accuracy and in the field usage?
I use the 22" #2 on the HS stock. It is a serious tack driver.
@@Fresh_Tracks Thank you very much. I think the Howa will make a great addition to my Sako .270. Been Using my Sako for all my antelope in South Africa for many years and have taken down most of the antelope species with that except for Eland. But I am super excited about the .308 and looking forward to taking down plenty of antelope with that. Thanks again, I really enjoy your show....keep it up.
Do those Howa's have a two stage trigger like the Weatherby Vanguards or are they single stage?
Yes, it's a 2 stage trigger they call it the "HACT 2 stage" and it's nice. There is also an after market replacement trigger made by someone that is even lighter and smoother, can't remember the company.
Thanks, probably Timney or Jewell would be my guess.
love the stocks, what are they?
HS Precision.
Do they come cerakoted from the factory?
If that is what you order, yes.
Where do you get howa 1500 rifles in Canada
thanks
assgrabber49 Check out Prophet river and SFRC
I live in montana, how do I go about obtaining a Howa rifle?
Most sporting good stores will have them.
Why doesn’t the 30-06 get any love
I would goddam love to have a howa hs with a green stock and a silver barrel with 26inch semi heavy barrel with a accubrake in 300winmag
They probably have one with your name on it.
Randy Newberg, Hunter lol do you know if these howas are out yet are when they release
They are now on the shelves of retailers.
Are these rifles the HS Precision model?
Look like the Houge ones
You are amassing quite the collection of rifles and ammunition. Three questions; 1.) Since you are breaking in or seasoning each of these barrels while punching holes in paper and getting the rifle close to zero, could the "average joe" who doesn't have access to free ammunition use inexpensive rounds of the same bullet weight to accomplish this same task? I typically follow nearly the same procedure outlined and in so doing go through and entire 20 round box of shells and once this is accomplished then switch to the intended round for setting the final zero . For example, use Remington 180 grain for seasoning and then Nosler 180 grain for final zero. 2.) I did not see anywhere in the video the use of a chronograph to accurately determine muzzle velocity of the various rifles and ammunition combinations. Are you taking at face value the published or printed values for muzzle velocity provided by the manufacture? 3.) One of the attractive features associated with many different Leupold scopes is the CDS System. In previous videos you have used this system to precisely "dial in" a long distance shot. There are several straight forward elements that go into creating a CDS dial (cartridge & caliber, bullet weight, bullet make/brand, ballistic coefficient, sight distance, zero distance, muzzle velocity) and some that are user defined (average temperature, average elevation). Will all of the rifles featured in this video segment eventually have CDS dials and if so, what temperature and elevation values will be assigned to each rifle? Sorry for the long winded question.
I have a chrono. Once I am done with barrel break in I will run all rounds through a chrono. All will be CDS and each will have a bit different temp and elevation, based on its most intended use. For some I will get multiple dials for the same scope.
Is that the 1500
Howa leupold and nosler should send me stuff
7mm Rem Mag doesn't get no love?? 😁
A great cartridge, for sure. Just not part of my arsenal.
Randy, how do you feel about the 6.5 Creedmoor for elk? Looking to build a hunting rifle in creedmoor for an all arounder in hopes of someday elk hunting
czcams.com/video/IOo6gprtKeA/video.html
I use a 6.5x55 for WT-Moose. Go for it.
I have a 6.5 CM. It will kill an elk with good bullets and shot placement. That said, I have other preferences when it comes to elk.
I don't disagree that a 6.5 will kill elk, but I think that it requires really good bullet placement. I think is a light gun for elk and you can find a lot better calibers and bullets for elk. It might be okay for a cow elk, but a bull with a thicker hide and bigger bone structure and muscles leaves the 6.5 creedmore lacking. They are tough animals. With respect to animals, you never want to wound an animal and let it get away and suffer. (270, 30-06, 308, 7mm-08, 7mm, 300 win........)
You've obviously never shot anything with a 6.5 creed/6.5x55/260 Rem. I've put a factory loaded 140 grain 6.5x55 Nos AB 2650fps Through a mature full-sized Canadian bull Moose length wise [Front shoulder, Through all of the vitals, And exited the rear quarter] at 200 + yards And never recovered the bullet. I've noticed zero difference between the 6.5x55 and the 270, 308, and 06 Out to 300 yards. czcams.com/video/IOo6gprtKeA/video.html - 6.5 creed elk kill at 600 yards. "Really good shot placement" Is a given regardless of what's in your chamber. As long as you're shooting a legally acceptable cartridge, bullet construction is your most important factor.
@@rogerpodactor2755 like the 243?
Must be ruff.
Bet the best around will be the 308.
Good chance of that.
Old saying.
Beware of the man with only one “rifle” . I wish
A lot of truth to that statement, but I don't see me ever being a "one-rifle guy." Just too much fun having multiple rifles.
Howa needs to stop using the Hogue pillar-bedded Overmolded stock with the M1500 rifle and switch to the Overmolded version of that stock with the full aluminum bedding block. The pillar-bedded version has way too much flex and ruins the accuracy of the rifle.
there's absolutely no need whatsoever to 'break-in' a hammer forged barrel made with today's metals and processes. Are we removing copper from the barrel? I doubt seriously any of those Howas accumulated any real amount of copper. Oh, what removes copper..? Ammonia. Ammonia doesn't discriminate. If it attacks copper, which is far more noble than ordinance steel, you can be sure it will attack steel, and you've ruined your gun altogether.
MEAlstonIII then don’t! They won’t take your gun away I promise. Just a recommendation they make.