WILL THIS FIX The abandoned digger? John Deere 310 Backhoe!
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- WILL THIS FIX MY John Deere 310 Backhoe?
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Those de10 injection pumps are notoriously intolerant of dirty fuel or fuel with water. Someone with the Deere service software should be able to hook up to it and see the cycles on the pump solenoid and see if it’s junk. Alterations you could go to the bone yard and get a jdb mechanical pump from like a 6400 and slap on there and bypass all the electronic stuff. Your local diesel injection could likely test it or area diesel but expect to probably spend$2k if that is what it is.
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Bleed the fuel lines at the injectors not at the pump
I did that too
@@HamiltonvilleFarm I figured you did that.You'll get it sorted out.
He said at the cylinder
Mine did that once it would spin over till the battery would die, ended up being the solenoid in the dash that had gone bad. Guess it had something to do with the fuel shutoff.
Thanks. It has me stumped.
Love the 310 videos. Glad you're back at it. Couple of suggestions. Set you're throttle at idle and while cranking ease on it up to half throttle. The white smoke tells me you're getting fuel, but maybe too much. I know it's not cheap, but have your injection pump bench tested at a local diesel shop. Probably charge you around $250 to $300 bucks to test it? Also you can have your injectors pop tested for about $10 each. Good luck.
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Take that high pressure pump to your local diesel injection service place. Wouldn’t surprise me if your clearances are shot in there. Rebuilt pump and maybe fresh injectors and time that pump correctly and you’ll be smiling. Until you get the bill.
Yeah I hear ya. Thanks for watching!
I have the same backhoe with a intermittent miss. According to two John Deere tech’s the fuel pumps are the worst ever made. And are not rebuildable.
Western truck and tractor CZcams channel he'll no what's wrong.
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Hank i have ran into the same problem with my friends ford tractor- after diving ourselves crazy we found out with his the part you checked for power on the pump was messed up - it was getting power but the plunger inside was not working right - it was only letting a small amount of fuel past it - which we got fuel to the top of the motor but it was not enough to run - we took it off and pulled the plunger and spring out then put it back on and it ran - love the videos and God bless yall
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I would be looking at the injectors. They are probably gummed up en either dumping in too much fuel or not getting it to all cylinders
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As a retired diesel mechanic you guys are hilarious. You remind me of Moe, Curly and Larry; does this ring a bell 🔔 🤔.
Oh yeah check your sparkplug wires!!! LOL
awesome show ....a good tip b4 you go shopping for parts take pictures with your cell phone and use notes on your phone to keep a list of parts ....sabe you from.driving around and forgetting the parts or not getting the correct parts
💥 I’ve given up all hope. You’ve got the master mechanic there and it still hasn’t started. Should have swapped motors with the dozer when you had the chance.
*Keep on tractoring!* 👍
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Put a PowerStroke in it or better yet a Cummins or Duramax. That'll liven her up.
We just bought that same pump for our dozer. It got to where it wasn’t running on all cylinders . So I’d say it is ur problem. Not enough pressure. I think it was like 2k 😞. Installed an Timing or something wasn’t right. Wouldn’t fire. Took back off had it tested. Was good. Stuck it back on fired right up
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With all that experience, you would think that little backhoe would start or why it won’t start. Hank , with all the equipment you been working on this piece of equipment has me on the edge of my seat. Keep at it, don’t let it defeat you. Lord be with you
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Hank my quick comments, tank to transfer pump and filter all look good. All that white smoke means some fuel is getting to the engine. Typically you bleed nozzles at the nozzle so the lines fill but fuel should come out at significant pressure. Those nozzles probably crack at 5000 psi. So if fuel is dribbling out, follow the procedure to remove the injection pump and send it to a diesel shop. They will pump stand test it and repair if necessary. Before you remove the pump follow the procedure to get the engine timing correct it makes reassembly easy. I would be glad to talk if you want to speak thru anything.
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One very simple test you can do is use a diesel pressure gaige betwin the pump and the injector but if you dont have one remove a injector from the head conect the pipe from the pump and crack to check if the injector is spraying
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Thank you for the great video. I think its the pump. Keep up the great work.
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I thought I was having a hard time getting my Briggs and Stratton lawn mower started. Haha. Great video Hank, it’s frustrating when one small part can bring a project to a screeching halt.
Tell it all
I like how y’all explained the fuel flow path. I am sure with the help from subscribers it will get done
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Fuel injection pump is probably shot, had same problem on a skid steer, rebuilt pump and she fired up
When it’s turning over it should shoot fuel out of the injector lines it’s either the cut off switch on the injection pump or a bad injection pump would be my guess from my diesel knowledge
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Great video Hank thank you
See if it has a check valve on the return line of the fuel injection pump. I had trouble with a truck that wouldn’t start and the return check valve had become gummed up and wouldn’t open. It will not run if the return line is clogged. Might be worth looking into. This is something you don’t commonly think of as being a problem. This was on a stanadyne pump which I think your backhoe uses as well.
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Watching and typing. Loving the video. What I do on small parts(grommets) fittings, etc is if I think they will fit another tractor I usually get extra. That way when I need them I can spend a day or two trying to remember where I put them.....LOL Back to watching now.
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It's sounds like the plunger is not open up on the injectors pump and good luck with it and God bless yall
Thanks Ralph 😁
Yellow hank good to see you again buddy hope you an gena are doing great see you soon buddy
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Great work Hank and grew. Can’t wait to see the next one. Thanks for the awesome content stay safe and hope everyone has a nice week
You too buddy! Take care
@@HamiltonvilleFarm Thank you bud you too
I've got an old 310A just changed out the hydraulic pump. Runs great.
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I have the same exact backhoe. Check the fuel tank for trash. I had to take the tank off and sandblast the inside and replace the filter. Also you may need to replace the primer and check for fuel getting to the injectors at the top of the engine.
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I had a kubota tractor that had the same exact symptoms change injection pump it will fix it for sure
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Well, if you have talked to Wes, you'll get the right answers, or at least he will give you a good logical explanation. But I think you're on the right track. It can't be timing, if you can get it to work on ether. So, it has to be pump/pressure related. Looking forward to the next video.
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Still making for great viewing bro, a head scratcher but great viewing. Yep Wes is the man. Safe travels
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Anchor done some quick research on it they was talking about if the return line was restricted or stopped up that sounds like the same problem you have they was talking about taking the return line off and starting it to see if it would stay running you might try that
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With the gunk you got out of the fuel filter thing a ma jiggy. I'm going to say that pick up pump is bad. Plus the fuel pump it self may gunk up. You guys will get going I have confidence in you all love the video's.
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Hey Hank have the injector pump checked and the injectors aswell I think that's it biggest problem if the injectors drip that's not good either and ur injector pump pressure looks way too low
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Loosen the lines at the injectors, spin engine over, tighten lines after they start squirting fuel. That should get all the air out of the injector lines.
I agree Hank, john deer parts are expensive to replace. I had a long time friend of mine, Robert Barrier. He had a big john deer tractor, sold it. Says it was just to expensive to maintain. Everything is expensive nowdays Hank, going to get worse.
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Test the fuel pump Hank, sounds like that could be the problem.
definitely be worth the effort once you guys get this thing running. I wanna get my hands in there too.
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Great vid hank just keep chin up and keep trying and if keeps doing it after all that then work n a new pump or somthing
hi, good videos, had a similar issue with Jcb 1996 model, electrical fuel pumps for such machines are not handy. keep the old system and open the injection lines for fuel to come out.
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I had a Nissan Maxima diesel that was very hard to start, it would blow white smoke like that also. I found out that it was the glow plugs giving me the trouble. I replaced them and it started every time, without killing my battery.
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Well done video Hank :) and men also think fuel injection pump on left side and not get full pressure also get rebuilt then bleeding on injectors when get back do all the injectors till fire up up to ! Replace all the steal fuel lines to injectors plus top caps to with new copper rings too one for top and bottom to ! Steal lines possible got slit in them get to much air get in fuel lines to injectors! I know costs lots money 💰 for fixing but get resolved you say horray and that solved too!
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You can send the High pressure pump out to be tested and or rebuilt. Not sure if you have a local place that does this if not you can contact Industrial Injection they rebuild almost every hpfp for diesel known to man.
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I know on the old caterpillar diesels there is a small plug that you un screw just a bit for it to be loose and diesel will come out behind each plug and then you open the lines at the injectors and make sure there is a lot of pressure there so no skips on the stream and a hard stream (make sure you do not touch the stream because that is very high pressure and it will inject diesel into your blood stream though your skin) and if it has skips in the stream or bubbles air is being introduced somewhere and is the stream is not a lot of diesel I bet that cut off switch works but possibly jammed. Hope this helps some.
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See the pressure needed or what pressure that pump puts out. And throw one of those electric pumps on for the time being just to see if that was the problem
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Any update on getting your pump bench tested and injectors tested at sane time , I know with diesels on my landys 2.5 turbo the pump if it not giving out at right time the correct fuel needed and your injectors are not functioning right you can’t crank away fir a month of Sunday’s , one way we use to try if we where having a hard time getting it bleed was to tow the vehicle and bump start it that way nit a great way but worked but I would dig deep in your pockets if you haven’t and get the pump and injectors tested before going any further .
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my guess is dirty injectors! because your getting smoke means your getting fuel but not the right amount. ha ha its the points and condenser! interesting video keep safe
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Definitely look into fuel pump..I'm fairly sure that's where the problem is
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I did some more reading on that Hank he was talking about a ball check valve in the return line it was plugged I think he removed the ball valve cleaned it put it back on and it runs perfectly fine now
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Those DE fuel pumps can be hard to bleed off and i do know those take a hex key to time them and those pumps run $1400-2000 if my memory is correct .. Also the lift pump should be putting 2-3 lbs of pressure . I also do know the governors can fail and come apart and plug the return line on injection pump. i have also seen water contamination cause the plunger to stick in the off position. otherwise maybe more cranking speed to start ... Or just has a lack of compression by the smoke
Yeah lots to consider
Definitely seems like a fuel issue. It could be low fuel pressure, like you said. It also may even be an electronic problem. Like a circuit board or something. Whatever it is, I have confidence that the problem will be found. 👍
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I don't think your getting enough pressure from the high pressure pump. But don't take my word for it, I just bought my first adjustable wrench last week. LOL. Good luck with the 310.
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Hey Hank, Probably not the overall problem, but she sounds like it needs more cranking amps, it sounds slow. Is this machine suppose to have more than one battery or perhaps a much larger 12v battery with more CCA? Perhaps consider two batteries tied together in parallel, this maintains 12v but doubles the cranking amps.
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Get a fuel pressure gauge and test the pressure. Look up specs on the high pressure pump to see what it should be. You can buy the gauge at harbor freight or rent one from local parts store like oreillys or abc.
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Does it have glow plugs? You’ve got white smoke which usually means you’ve got fuel going into the cylinders but no heat or compression. If it’s running off ether then ya comps good. If it has glow plugs I’d be pulling the glow plugs out and testing them. Or even give the glow rail direct voltage and manually glow it then kick it in the guts. I’m not to familiar with the Deere’s but that’s how I go about it day to day in the shop.
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I have a few thoughts..it would be wise to check fuel pressure coming out of injection pump...seeing you bypassed fuel pump with an electric pump..no need to ck pump pressure. Also..those rubbers on the fuel lines are just cut off pieces of fuel line..just like on international trucks..just buy rubber fuel line next time . Another thought was..is the oil pressure sending unit on the block faulty ? If your machine has an ecm and the sending unit isnt sending signal to the ecm..it will never start..the ecm sends signal to the pump to open . I'm not sure about the 310..but on IH trucks..the line going to that plastic prescreen you guys cleaned..there could be a bulky fitting..in that fitting..there is a rubber ball that acts like a check valve..sometimes the deteriorate and get stuck..to take it out you poke it with a pick and replace it . Another idea..tho im fishing here..does the injection pump have an ipr valve ? Im thinking in truck terms more than tractor here lol . I've replaced several injection pressure regulator valves (ipr) and many times it can be just the o-rings are broke on them or a chunk of debris inside them . One other thought..i have seen the fuel filter spin on adaptors with hairline cracks..many times not visible to the eye..perlaps take the line off the electric fuel pump and run air pressure to the line and ck for fuel leaks..also get a squirt bottle with soapy water and spray the lines going to the pump . These are things to try..but i think i'd start with checking the injection pump pressure first.
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Well try a high pressure fuel pump just to see if it's that and check the timing just to eliminate them issues .but try cracking the cylinder lined till you get a steady flow coming out cause just drinking isn't enough to start it so there may be still air in system cause you had alot of big air things apart that's spose to be fuel lol so might take a lil while to get the air out of it and check the main fuel line from tank there could be a inline filter clog but put a air hose whith rag wrapped around it to seal it and blow air in fuel tank and see if it blows any crap out if doesn't hook it up and do it while trying to bleed the lines and stuff .cause it sounds like a partial clog or still air in lines ..
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Could always take the both pumps off and clean them thoroughly. Could have alot of trash in it like that one plastic tube did. Plus at least you can get fuel line for that John deere. My John deere 1010ru the fuel line is obsolete and I'm needing one. Don't really want to buy an entire tractor for a fuel line lol. May have to though. Ordered aftermarket line I hope that works. Have a great week.
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2 things. Voltage drop may be to much and so computer isnt operating the solenoid. Or timing. Buy yourself a the timing pins for a deer 4045t piece of cake to time. To much white smoke so im lenaing towards timing
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@@HamiltonvilleFarm i ve worked on those quite a bit. Those engines are suoer easy to time
Agree with others, bleed at the injectors. If the lines are full of air, that takes an awful lot of push to clear that out, and the pump will not be able to do it.
Possibilities/suggestions, If that doesn't work ... or you can't beg help from Brian (bcbloc02) ...
I'm not familiar with those injection pumps, but if it's a rotary similar to a Bosch VE ... Plunger return springs could be broken/shattered. Best to have it professionally rebuild, or you can try it yourself IF you are brave/broke enough. If that did happen ... or you find anything broken inside, or metal shavings from something wearing, plan on cleaning or replacing a few (if not all) injectors. After repairing my pump, it would start and run, then lose two cylinders, then not run at all until I bled it all out again. Turned out, two of the injectors had loaded up with metal chips and were blocked open, enough that compression was feeding back to the pump and loading it with air. I found the culprits by removing the high pressure lines from the pump, filling the fitting on top of each injector with fuel, and cranking the engine (with the fuel pump shut off to avoid a big mess). Air bubbles showing up in those fittings was my clue.
Good hunting! and remember to safeguard from the possibility of hydraulic injection (it's no joke).
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pretty sure the stanadyne pump has an inlet screen or valve that gets plugged up or frozen shut. look at the inlet diagram of the injector pump
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Quick comment.
The fuel system can ONLY draw air from the fuel tank side of the lift pump.
Beyond that point is pressurised so will cause a leak from unions etc.
You need to make sure all connections from the tank to the lift pump are completely airtight first off then loosen the bleeding nipple on the injection pump, hand prime it until you have no air coming from the nipple.
Once free of air, you need to put 12v to the solenoid (shutoff valve) on the rear of the pump to allow fuel to flow through the injection pump.
Providing you have compression and you loosen the injector pipes AT the injectors to bleed them up, the engine will fire.
If not, I suggest replacing the shutoff valve.
Good luck.
NB. On some of these rotary pumps there is a further gauze filter in the infeed pipe of the injection pump UNDER the union once the infeed pipe has been removed.
You need to take the union off the pump to access it.
It won't be the 1st time, due to lack of fuel filter service/changing that this gauze screen is full of crap and won't allow the volume of diesel flow into the injector pump.
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You might be getting a dribble of fuel and not a spray of fuel diesel fuel needs to be sprayed in the mist to become combustible. Take one injectors out of the head hook a two one of the lines coming off of the injector pump but the end of the chapter in the cup so you can see it spray turn engine over make sure it's spraying not dribbling
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Hank , after watching your vids , I have come to one conclusion , if I need tools , wrenches, sockets, extensions, etc. all I need to do is follow behind you and clean up all those you drop!
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Gap the spark plugs 👌
LOL have you checked the carb? That cracked me up. I am currently self teaching myself on an old 1966 ford 3000. Simple diesel but still a challenge.
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i had a problem with a john deere track hoe it ran good and then it wouldnt idle up and stall out. loosen the idle screw and try starting it . if it starts it will leak diesel at that idle screw. screw it back in and it would stall. i found where the return line comes out of the injector pump, take the line out and remove the fitting from injection pump. there is a glass bulb in there that will clog up. i got a fitting that was straight thru and it ran like a champ if the return is not returning fuel to the tank it will not run
I believe pulling the pump rebuild or replace it and double check the timing on the pump
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Do you how to fix the gear 1? Mine is stuck on it. It's hard to shift
Man! I didn’t know Brandle was a Burt Gummer body double! Love that guy
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@@HamiltonvilleFarm seems like the injection pump isn’t putting out enough pressure, I work on similar size diesels in Gen sets and typical when bleeding the injectors it’s got a little squirt to it when cracking the lines from the pressure.
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Hank, if you get the injectors tested and the crack open okay, then you issue is injection pump. It might be time for rebuilt pump and injectors.
Best wishes all.
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What is the psi on the factory fuel pump and what are you getting now? You might be out of backhoe fluid?
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Change the spark ⚡️ plugs hank 😂
Lol. I'm looking for them
I had one for a old international dump truck sent to industrial diesel in birmingham alabama. Cost me about $553.?? About 8 years ago. It fixed my problem. Ol truck come back alive after that.
I believe you need a new one. It should be squirting fuel out
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Looks like you have a Standadyne injection pump. These pumps need a free return for fuel overfow. They usually have some form of relief valve or return side restrictor in order to maintain proper case pressure. If the return becomes blocked, case pressure builds until it meets transfer pressure. At this point the movement of the pumping plungers becomes restricted and the engine simply dies. When case pressure reduces, the engine will restart and run until the condition returns, usually in a much shorter time span. Try removing the return line from the top of the pump, start the engine and see if fuel seems to exit the fitting reasonably freely or not, and does the engine continue to run, or die as before. If your problem is supply or starvation, the engine will not start back up quickly after it dies, it will crank and stumble for a while. If you have constant voltage to the pump shutoff coil during all this it's probably not electrical. The coils don't usually fail in the manner you described, they either work or they don't.
FOUND THIS ON A TRACTOR ISSUE SITE. DID you See if Fuel Exits Return ? Love your Videos
I did not check that. Thanks
Hi do you have manual for 310J? Thank you. Nice video by the way!
No sir and thanks
if you put in a "T" fitting into the injector line you can test the amount of fuel pressure in the lines to the injectors.
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Did you make sure you checked the injector pump holes and blew them out sometimes junk gets up to it and builds up and plugs why you have dripping and now pressure
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I’d give you my 2 cents but I see your getting plenty of that from so many other people 😂 keep a going Hank!
Lol. I have a lot to consider
Well Hank if it isn't the carburetor you might check the spark plugs. 🤣🤣🤣
Fo sho!
17 yr mech that pump should squirt fuel out ,also those JD s and most have a screen on the injectors, or the injectors could be stuck, i have worked on alot of those type pumps and when you losen the line it should put out fuel by force, it's force or pressure that fires i
injectors
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Engine should be turning over faster than that, and yes you need more fuel pressure.
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Had trouble on a 8600 Ford diesel tractor. The vent for the fuel cap was plugged up. You may be correct about pump not making enough pressure. John Deere should know what numbers you should be seeing.
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Is that 3 cylinder or 4 cylinder either way good luck with that stanadyne pump
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You may have thought of it check to see how much pressure it should be running and put a pressure gauge on it and check to see what it is producing
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Have you checked the spark plugs
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Hi hank from west Alabama peace and love
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metering pin stuck in the stanadyne ? how long it been sittin ? shut off solenoid ?
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It’s probably the injection pump pull it off and get it tested and check the timing keep at it brother you will get it going
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Check the keyway on the gear on the pump to we had one ware out on one of our tractors sheared straight off threw the timing off I’m sure they will check all that and that solenoid in the cab Chris knows what he is talking about had machinery for years
If the injection pump is only dribbling fuel out the injector lines that means there's not enough psi to run I would look into the injection pump next
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dose the 310 have injectors because if so they might be semi clogged up
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You showed us on video bleeding air from
Fuel pump. Did you also bleed injector lines at the injectors? If not, go back and bleed air at the injector , one at the time. Let us know what happens, enjoy y'alls shade tree mechanicing
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Injector nozzles could be bad to just went thru it with a Isuzu. Pull the injectors and have them popped off tips could be bad. White smoke usually means raw fuel. Easier to pull the injectors than the pump.
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way cheaper to
Could you have missed a air leak , maybe the inside the tank or something over the line inside the tank . Seems it would spray or pour when a line got loose tho .
Well since you ruled out the carburetor, might go ahead and scratch the sparkplugs off the list. LoL. In all seriousness Hank I think maybe your right, pretty near have to be the fuel pump. Makes since to me.
Lol. Thanks Dean!
I know it can be stupid thing to say to you but does the glow plugs work ?
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i have an john deere 310se i had just did a complete fluid and filter change and now i'm having an issue with the trans filter blowing out the filter seal/o ring someone suggested i check and clean the trans vent but i cant seem to find it.
i never had any issues until i changed it i wonder if by changing the fluid i bumped up the pressure?
any help would be appreciated.
I would say that you to check the compression of the engine or it will not cause auto ignition and run. So long as there is fuel in the injectors and fuel lines with no air in the lines it should run. The only other problem is the engine isn't getting enough air flow because of a bad filter or mouse nest in the engine.
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I am being serious though all a diesel needs to run is air, fuel and compression. it will will run no matter what unless one of those pieces of the triangle is missing. Even if fuel is a problem you can start it with starting fluid but if it is a high compression engine it will blow it up.
i had a similar problem with my jd 2520-it turned out a diode was bad at the fuel solenoid, so does ur 310 have any diodes in the wiring harness?
New pump time my friend
I think you're right