You Don't Need Carbon // 2020 Knolly Warden
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How tall are you and did you like the large?? I'm 5"10 and now this bike has thrown a wild card into my 2020 bike buy!
Kevin Moore he said 6”0
Carbon might be stiffer but when you wreck a carbon bike and it cracks you are done. If you wreck an aluminum bike if it dents you can still ride it. The first gen carbon bikes were lighter but cracked all the time so they added more carbon now they weigh the same as aluminum if not more!
Try your Enduro as a mullet bike!
I believe,and correct me if im wrong, but knolly recommends you to lock out the bike when climbing
The sluggishness you feel is, in part, a reflection of Knolly's suspension design philosophy; unlike the Specialized Enduro, which seems to have a significant amount of anti-squat baked in, Knolly is content to rely upon the climbing platform offered by the rear shock. The justification they offer is that significant anti-squat compromises traction and cannot be 'turned off', whereas a climbing platform can. What this approach achieves is, in theory, exceptional levels of grip throughout the travel, hence the reputation for Knolly's technical climbing proficiency. This is at the cost of a certain degree of sluggishness when trying to accelerate quickly or when ridden on non-technical terrain like roads or fireroads.
This guy watches andrextr videos 😁
+ less pedal kickback when going down.
You really can tune the rear with your shock settings.
I'd have it no other way!!!
@@alexkane84 Did somebody touch you in your no no's?
My Carbon Warden was honestly the only bike to date I still think about and wish I still had. Yeah 29rs are faster, i like my carbon Troy, I liked my Evil folowing, I liked my LR SB130 decked out with Factory race team orange FOX 36 and DHX2 coil shock and was probably the "best' bike Ive owned spec wise, but I sold that thing much faster than my Knolly. I loved that Knolly that ate up everything CO has to offer - everywhere and anywhere all over CO literally no joke here. Honestly is the only bike I still think about :(
My 2016 Warden is still just simply insane. I’ve ridden some terrifying trails and it’s there saying “cool cool bro’, we got this” all the way down. Unparalleled bikes, worth every penny.
I miss my Carbon Warden. I can second what you say about tackling scary trails. Its the only bike I still think about while Im on all these others Ive bought/sold. My 2021 Troy comes close to happiness because it crushes everything and that concentric dw link is a beautiful thing....but even still I wish I still had my Knolly
that bike is sick. Carbon i think is kinda over hyped and some carbon bikes weigh almost the same as aluminum. Aluminum is also plenty stiff. Geometry also play a way bigger role that weight and material
While this is true, you left out the factors that different components bring as well.
Carbon is rust proof
@@kevinchrist824 your bike shouldn't rust if you are taking care of it.
@@akiraung any bike will last as long as you take care of it
Aluminium does not rust, it corrodes
Watch him get a knolly warden.
@Shreddits Biking i doubt it... Think he still likes the 29 wheels
There is a noticeable ease at which you roll features on a tech trail (on a 29) that you would otherwise have to face (and at times grapple with) in order to get to the bottom in one piece on a 650b. They call that rider input. I call that the difference between a waltz and a Tango.
Man it’s cool that you own one of the most talked about bikes on the market. S Enduro and still give bikes like this a lot of credit and show some viewers like myself another perspective on bikes on a lower price point and show what they can actually do on a trail 👍
Special place in my heart for Knolly. Have one. And the better I ride, the better it gets. And the better I get, the better it rides.
Love to see reviews on these once in a while. I demo'd one last season and thought it was great. Love your take on bike reviews!!!
I'm moving to Vancouver from South Africa in the next few months and I'm here to check out how cool the trails are! Looks awesome, cant wait.
That was a really good video! It sounded like the tires were mic'd. I love the sound of mtb tires on rock and dirt, music to my ears! Nice job on the steep jank at the end, it's usually hard to tell how steep a trail is on video, not this time.
Great review Nic! The ending crushed me and I’m still working on my manual skills and ripped half my shin off attempting a manual today. Damn DMR pedal pins! Still, loving my Warden LT.
I ride the Knolly Endorphin, their trail bike, and its amazing. Glad you gave Knolly a go and loved it. Their bikes are bomb proof and that suspension maintains traction like none other.
I have an endorphin too. Iva has one for 6 years. And yes indeed. It is bomb proof. I still need to adjust my suspension better for traction but this thing jumps sooooo well for me.
I Just Bought a 2019 CarbonWarden 😎 25 lbs. 6 0zs 😎 AMAZING Bike Riding Fromme Saturday Morning😁
Yes the Alloy bikes are Heavier ..... so slower
I love your videos. And this bike looks amazing!
Thanks for the great review and great video showing off some amazing trails. Really love the tight, off camber, techie stuff (or jank as the kids now calll it). Agree with Knolly's having such an amazing feel to their suspension. Also - a 275 bike done right can be the better tool (more fun) on those tighter, techier trails. I'd be on a Warden right now if I didn't dig my Endorphin so much. Only thing I'm not stoked on with this bike is the funky Trump colored link.
I am really beginning to think you are not digging your Enduro. Getting that vibe from you my brother. I am liking that Knolly though.
That bike sounds so quiet, no chain slap.
Waiting on my Delirium hopefully I get it this or next week. Same frame, just has a longer stroke. Nice vid broh.
Same for me! I have everything in place just waiting for my Delirium frame to arrive! lol I have a warden LT shock on my special edition Delirium! :D
I wanted a delirium!!! I have an endorphin it’s way smaller travel but jumps better than any bike I have ever ridden if you have good suspension setting. I’m jellous
@@oscarbaudrand4017 I tried an endorphin twice and loved it, especially with the CC coil!! I went with the warden because I wanted something a bit bigger but endo is a really fun bike! :) Endo + Delirium would be insane! haha
Insane build kit on this!
You overall looked more comfortable on this bike than the new bike you've been riding. But thats just from my CZcams perspective.
Nice bike nice fun riding liked the video and from a person that still rides a 26"i totally understand when you talk about how nimble the bike feels and easier to zig zag it through those rocks.
Terrific review once more, Van!
I bought a 2020 transition patrol recently and I'm in the camp of aluminum and 27.5 wheels because it just works and I don't need or really want carbon.
got the previous version of the warden. will upgrade one day! love knolly
The magic of GoPro is the sections 14:34 come through as steep and difficult as they actually are.
Depends on what sort of bike your riding. I ride XC so carbon makes more sense than aluminum, especially for a full suspension bike.
would you mind elaborating? Is it just because weight is so critical for XC? Thanks!
@@JamesMinerTattoo XC is all about up hill speed and efficiency, so having a carbon bike weigh 23 lbs compared to an aluminum bike weighing 28 lbs, the carbon bike is going to be way faster.
cj johnston thanks for your reply!
Hardtail carbon xc bike would be the only carbon bike I'd consider. I'm very happy with my meta am in aluminum for more aggressive stuff but rock strikes I think would be a major pain if it were carbon
How do you only have 43 000 subs? I love your vids man keep it up :)
tbh I think your riding looks better on the Knolly, awesome riding
I'm not good enough to warrant buying a carbon bike. Aluminum for me. :)
Agreed. Likely the case for 95% of riders
Disagreed. If you're not that great, you can still benefit from less weight pedaling up hills. But if you're just doing flat trails, then yes, I'd say there's no reason for anyone to need carbon. Unless...you plan on keeping it for 10+ years and don't want an aluminum frame that can eventually rust / warp / break, whereas carbon is rust-proof and will last longer.
Probably not quite as I've carbon as the knolly warden but it does the job and brings you great joy, what else can a bike do man?
@@kevinchrist824 that's Soo wrong man. Aluminum lasts for decades while carbon starts fartiguing and not being as strong after just 5 years if you ride it heavily. Same as in a crash. A small impact hit to carbon can weaken it severely which makes it super dangerous to run anymore. Fixing it is way harder as well so you almost have to get a new frame. Aluminum and steel is just more durable in the very long run. Period
Kevin Christ Carbon frames last way less time than an aluminum one especially a good quality one. Also if you crash an aluminum bike you dont have to worry about your frame cracking as much.
I'm so jealous of your trails. Your flow trail is about as techy as it gets in Boise, ID.
Dope i live in meridian
... Has Bob Ross been reincarnated as a mountain biker? Such a soothing commentary, i was getting ready to hear "Whoosh, off we go, right over the happy little logs. This is our session, we can do whatever we like." good stuff :)
Nice Video. I ride an 2017 Knolly Warden and I love it.... My next bike is definitely another Knolly.
Amazing riding!
You riding through the woods reminds of the speeder bike chase from Star Wars. LOL. Awesome.
I had a Knolly Podium for 6 years, best bike I've ever owned. Sad they don't make them anymore
Hardly any words needed in this video! the footage of you riding alone would sell people on this bike! Some of the world's most iconic terrain, & the bike just sailed through it...
Wow I’m glad you have tried aluminum, I’ve had one for a while.
Wow, that Bling Bling paint job is cool~
I, also, don't feel like you're diggin' your enduro. I can tell you this, I still ride a 2012 Knolly Delirium and I love it more than any other bike I've owned. I've gone through the quest for that "one quiver" bike...and the Delirium nailed it. 36 pounds, but that's in part to the Fox Van coil up front. Still, you'd never know if you just got on it and climbed without picking it up. It's a billy goat...even without the oval chainring in front.
I hope you end up with one. Honestly.
Thanks for the Video. A quiet interesting Bike
I have always thought that knolly made some of the best looking bikes out there.
Great vid! Went to kinetik for the first time today..accidentally walked in to the bottle depot 😂
You have a soothing voice and cadence . Would definitely listen to you on a podcast or something similar
His voice kind of reminds me of a sexier Ray Romano.
MrPete95 Was thinking this too he delivers information in a relaxing way...even while riding tech! 😆 When's the bike podcast starting Nic?
The rockroll on Pingu is masive!
I've been riding the warden for the past 2 years and it's the most capable bike around.
Really seems like a bike that would be really happy on the infamous skinnies and woodwork of the north shore.
You should try the warden’s climb on the warden, 😂 Great vid
That's so sick
So when you getting a 27.5 to compliment the enduro ? I get the impression you really want one 😁
I had a commencal and now a norco that’s carbon and I’m a big fan of aluminum. Carbon frame will be lighter sure but aluminum will be cheaper and the savings you can get nicer LIGHTER parts
Good looking bike from your view. The ride seemed super smooth. How would you compare this to the Jeffsy?
aluminum bars - fine. aluminum frame - eh not to bad. aluminum wheels - fuck that. Carbon wheels are a must imo.
Damn nice bike. Simple. Effective. Someone had a Knolly used for sale on the Vancouver FB used bike page.
2020? It's the new V2 version that he rode...
If that's taking it easy, I would hate to see you full send it. 😯
hey man, great video! I was wondering if you are gonna try out the Commencal Meta at some point. It's supposed to be really good, and imo it's one of the best looking bikes on the market!
No plans to, but maybe one day!
I would never give up on my aluminium frame for a few grams. I find it more versitile and far more easier to know if it's dameged or not, so muche easier to work with too
I found aluminum frames a few years ago used to flex too much when I was pushing the bike. Carbon was lighter but also was stiffer. I found they're a lot more comparable now in terms of stiffness.
From 1st hand ownership: Knolly frames are stiff and dont have the tiniest amount of unnecessary flex
I really doubt you would find a well made alloy enduro bike flexy. This coming from a guy who raced at juat under 200lbs and ripped the headtube off a few bikes, both carbon and alloy. The bikes are better than we are now
Man I would love this bike. Great review. One thing I wish you would go into more detail about what "feels good" about the rear suspension on it. Compare to the enduro maybe?
It's hard to explain, but it feels smoother. I imagine the enduro is a bit more of a race tune. So you may give up some speed for comfort.
I have the same hub on my kenevo, sounds sick
Having ridden aluminum bikes and bike parts my whole life, I've never felt the need for carbon, except for maybe wheels ;)
Excellent Vid 😎 I Work 2 Blocks From Knolly
I have a 2018 Giant Reign 1, 27.5, aluminium, 160mm/160mm, 65 deg head angle... good recipe
you should try the yeti sb165 or yeti sb150
If I had thousands to spend on a bike I would consider it. However I am new to biking, my big box bike can't take most off road terrain. But with the bike shortage due to COVID I have been watching and checking daily for a bike I think will last a while and take me to the next level of my riding. Sadly it still hasn't came back into stock in the size I need.
Beautiful looking bike. Especially for aluminum. Not familiar with Knolly at all. I don’t race competitively and don’t have a lot of excess $. I also like not worrying about crashing and fracturing a graphite frame. I don’t worry about scratches and scrapes. To me that’s what bikes are for. To bang em up once in awhile. As such I’ve only had aluminum frames. But good graphite frames are gorgeous. Slightly lighter. Slightly more responsive. If I did race I’d most certainly break down and buy a carbon frame.
I do like the warden..sweet bike
my favourite bike
I had a 2018 Trek Fuel EX 7 and a 2018 Trek Fuel EX 9.7 at the same time. The only real difference between the bikes was carbon vs aluminum and a Fox 34 vs a RD Reba. I ended up keeping the 7 because the difference was negligible at best.
Great video! I'm a brand new to mountain biking and have about $1,000 to spend. It would be awesome to see you test some hard tails in that price range. Keep it up man! ✊
Those kind of demos are hard to find but I’d do it if I could!
@@VanCan No worries, I understand man! It's cool to see the content lol your making me wanna push my budget up some with these bad ass bikes 😂
Daniel Cooley -
I bought my full suspension used for about $1500. I’ve been riding it for 4 years now and love it. I might start a controversy here but if you can manage a decent quality full suspension bike I suggest it. So much more forgiving and plush ride than a hardtail. People will say you should start with a hardtail, that you will learn to ride better. I disagree with that. You learn to ride better by.....riding and pushing yourself.
you missed that big hip on the left! accident or intentional, not a good jump?
trails look amazing! where was that?
I don't need carbon but it's so SHIIINY
i think i can guess where this is going...
where are you riding in this video?
Hi Van, can share the weight difference between your Enduro and the Warden? If it is more than 1kg, then you will feel it will not climb better.
Guys what jump trail is that at 13:20? I ridden seymour but never saw that trail.
What kind of pedals you ride?
Quite an interesting bike🙃
Great video Vancan. Have you ridden any Commencal metas?
Not yet
Its not really weight or material but ride quality and efficiency.
Have you considered mulleting the Enduro?
I have a Pole Stamina 180, it's so sick. You should try one.
Where is that place??
back to alloy and 27.5 is real good wheel hehe
I have a carbon front triangle and alloy rearing my enduro bike love carbon looks incredible I think if you can afford the carbon why not 👍🤔
cuz it has greately variable, up to dogshit level production quality and quality control as well. but i get it, its fancy and (at the end of the supply chain) costly. so why not.
This is the first time I don't have an alloy bike, yeah carbon is a bit over hyped just a weight saver in some cases.
Hey Nic, can you tell me what stem is that? Its looking sweet af
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Hey I need help, I'm between the firebird or enduro OR smaller pivot mach 6. Do I need the extra travel and bigger wheels for the shore and rough stuff on van island? This is coming off a 2013 norco range 26"
That’s a hard one! You might need to demo some bikes
I got a carbon bike, i feel stupid being overweight, but its a good reason to cut the extra weight. i didn't buy it for the weight savings anyway. i honestly think the bike is heavier than my old bike, but its not like i have weighed it.
We gotta get comfortable being who we are and doing what we want. I’m 49 and learning to dirt jump. Almost didn’t keep going because I didn’t feel comfortable being around all the kids. Plus I’m geared up from head to toe and still working my way through the beginners line (might move up to blue line tomorrow).
Kids don’t really give me a second look, I’m just another person taking a turn.
Just take that carbon bike and ride the piss out of it! Good luck!
What stem is that? My bike is grey and I put orange grips and pedals on it and I think it would look sick on it.
i9 I believe
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Best bang for the buck hands down !
Carbon is nice but is it worth it over aluminum? $$$$
Looks like the Warden is sold out. Do you know how much your version cost retail?
I think around 6000 Cad
Maybe I am speaking out of turn here but it seems like American MTB channels/riders really seem to look down on Aluminium/Steel, as if everyone should be aspiring to have a carbon frame. Where as everyone else it's more like, yeah Carbon is great but its more just personal preference. Thoughts?
I noticed you ride with your thumbs out of the grips often, do your wrists bother you?
No i just like riding like that lol
When are you going to do a video on the halfpipe?
soon maybe!
What a wonderful trail! I could ride it for the rest of my life.. Could you, please, make one lap without any comments? You know, like an ASMR for mountainbikers
It’s always hard to tell on screen. But I can’t decide what’s better, the raw color or black and silver. How’s the black look in person?
Looks pretty sweet in person
Even though carbon has all it's benefits, alot of people think that they need to get carbon, which isn't true. If you live in a super rocky place or crash a lot carbon could be bad because the frame might crack, when an aluminum frame wouldn't.
Aluminum fatigues though. So you are weakening your bike with all of those crashes. So long as you don't actually crack your carbon frame, there will be no difference in longevity or strength if you crash your carbon bike.
@@hb7030 yes but while aluminum fatigues carbon would crack, even if it's a small crack or just a weakend frame it most likely will soon lead to a broken frame
@@hb7030 they're both around the same strength when not cracked, but under abuse from rocks or crashes carbon will crack easier than aluminum
@@camerondavis7291 Not true - over time, aluminum loses its strength. A 10 year old aluminum bike will be weaker than when it was brand new. Not the case for carbon. Carbon doesn't just "crack" unless it undergoes significant force.
@@hb7030 who keeps a bike for more than a couple of years let alone 10 but I know what your getting at . I've seen so many carbon frames getting damaged from a rock strike or crack that I just dont see the point of carbon and not only that most carbon Enduro bikes weigh the same of not more than Aluminium just to make them abit more stronger.
I was riding to the jump trail on the weekend with a shovel. Some how the handle ended up in the back wheel and bent about half my spokes. Snapped the fibreglass shovel and scratched the seat stay a bit.... my bike is an alloy remedy. I’d hate to know how that seat stay would look if it was carbon.
Stories like that make me glad I got the 9.7 fuel EX! Carbon front triangle, aluminum rear triangle.
D C yeah pretty upset. Didn’t wana deal with it so dropped the wheel off to the bike shop hopefully it’s just a handful of spokes that got bent and it’ll be good to go.
I'm actually thinking about getting a Remedy and dont know what to get. Carbon or Aluminum. How do you like the Aluminum?
Coolchris158 seems fine to me. I like the idea of the extra durability and compared to a lot of other bikes it’s not even heavy. I think it’s 14.5kg.
I love a good skinny also. I have a video coming out this Friday where me an a friend take on all the skinnies in our local mtb park. Hope you check it out.,
Haha, here we go again... This time, is it really the smaller wheels, or perhaps the nimble feeling comes from the "steeper" headangle than what you're used to?
Realize that I've probably come across as a 29er advocate in the comment section lately. That's not really the case, I'd love to just have the right tool for the job and sure think there is a better suited place for each category of bike.
There's truth in what you're saying.
I've been wanting a knolly soo bad