Brother...flip the inside piece that you put the bowl on. That piece can either be put in the way you did for wood or flipped to raise the fire. That brings the bowl up higher and closer to the bottom of your tea pot.
I have a warning for you. I did the exact same setup using the Trangia that you did, but on a hot day. After a minute or so the gasification process kicked in and the stove took off like a jet engine, burning up all the alcohol in about a minute and creating a very dangerous situation. I suppose that didn't happen to you because it was much cooler weather.
I had alky stoves do that before. If it's hot they can boil over and take off. More so fit their is a wind screen etc near the stove. Thanks for watching!
Greetings MW, it's much appreciated by me for your running this comparison with using alcohol. Isn't just amazingly hard to believe that there are other grown men watching another grown man boil water, all this on a Saturday night? And I am really glad to watch it. Thank You for your help today and for your great video.
I just purchased one of these. The instructions say to flip the little insert upside down so the alcohol cup is closer to the top. I haven't tried alcohol yet, but flipping the insert upside down works perfectly! :) The design is great! The burn of the alcohol will be a lot more efficient.
Mine didn't come with instructions but I tested that out in another video as others gave me the same advice and it seemed to work better. Here is the video and thanks for watching! czcams.com/video/Rv89RJWe32U/video.html
Hi Woodswalker, great Video. I like your happy attitude. In the cold Trangia burners need some drops of Alcohol spilled on top of the side rim or body. Thus it will heat up the alcohol inside a little bit. It helps starting the alcohol to vapourize out of the jet holes. An additional windshield helps to reduce the amount of alcohol needed for each boil a lot. Especially under those windy circumstances. As being said, the middle part of the Lixada stove needs to be put upside down to have that sweet spot if one inch for the trangia. Try the Fancy Feast Stove by Hiram Cook. It is much more fuel efficient than the Trangia stoves. And it is a stove stand on its own. so you can reduce kit weight through using a pot, a windshield and the burner only. Greetings from Germany! Stefan
Going to try that next burn. I made DIY double walled Pepsi can stoves which also work good. Once made a cat stove. It was ok but like the jets from the Pepsi can. Thanks for watching!
A little alcohol stove is a must-have accessory for the wood gas stove. Lets you make a quick cup of tea/coffee/hot meal or sterilize water without building a wood fire. Flipping the inside basket, as others have mentioned, gives you a bit of heat control. Some things cook better on lower heat (like eggs), and some alcohol burners work better closer or farther from the pot bottom. You can also flip the alcohol/solid fuel cup over to adjust you burn height, I've built a number of beer can stoves and use two just for my wood gas stove. One burns hotter with a shorter burn time, about 18 minutes, and one burns a bit cooler but has a 30+ minute burn time; good for simmering or keeping the coffee hot. I set the alcohol burners in the little cup that came with the stove to use as a priming cup. All-in-all, a great system; very versatile. Thanks for all of your video's,,, and KEEP THE BACON SACRED!
Hello there, Just wanted to send a quick message to say I have really enjoyed watching your videos. Pretty much very down-to-earth, realistic, and what the average guy like myself can enjoy. Always look forward to the "sacred bacon." Usually, I use the sacred bacon as a form or grease on the cast iron fry pan when cooking some tasty moose steaks or sausages in the woods. Nothing outs a better taste on woods cooking than bacon. Looking forward to more interesting videos of your adventures. All the best.
Thanks for taking us along on your hike. It was beautiful out there! That's a nice little stove. Seems to be a clone of the SilverFire Scout stove, at a much more reasonable price. I made my alcohol burner stove following the "Fancy Feast" pattern on a CZcams video, and made a windscreen for it out of two beer cans. It works really well. Not as hardy or as heavy as yours, though. I'm looking forward to seeing how the tabs work. I've never tried them.
+1 in flipping the solid fuel dish inside the stove to raise the trangia. It'd probably boil like a mad man then. I think for solid fuel I've seen the stove set up as normal. The dish goes on top sort of covering or filling the hole the wood would be in. This puts the fuel tab just a little below the pot. Similar to the set up catering companies use.
The Traingia worked great but the dish not so much so will do a video comparing the tabs/sterno/alky/wood. Will flip the parts for sure. Thanks brother!
the double wall is very bad for other fuel than wood and so you have to remove it... the lil bowl is mostly for gel and esbit. you can put the wood tray upside down too.
I did a second video and had better results with Alk with the wood try upside down using the dish. Thanks for watching! czcams.com/video/Rv89RJWe32U/video.html
I don't know if anyone has pointed out yet but you're supposed to turn the internal burn pan upside down and then lay the fuel cup on top of that. That puts the flame right on the kettle.
I wonder if that bowl fits and sits in the top of the stove? then you would be nice and close to the pot stands for tablet use...less wind protection, but just a thought.
@@MegaWoodswalker He's right. Taking the insert were the wood burn's & inverting it so the alcohol is raised higher. When you use alcohol, how high was the flame to the pan.
Great Test , most helpful. I love my Trangia but just ordered one of these wood gassifier stoves. Always looking for dual usage stuff where I can. We got plenty of sticks here in New England... but they aren't always dry. I think I'll invest in a few wood pellets too. Watch out for those Turkeys!
I've nver actually used the boil method of treating water I usually use the gravity filter platypus or the katadyn hiker pro hand pump. Good to know that not even boiling water and you have been ok. I will play it safe and boil for 10min when I try it. Thanks for the video!
Got mine and it said right in the instruction papers that the mystery bowl is for alcohol. If in doubt, try reading the instructions. The burner basket in the bottom goes in upside down, so the alcohol is closer to the bottom of the pot. _______________________________________ Don't seem to be able to reply t your reply. Missing instructions and stuff happen, it's unfortunate. Like the videos. Always cheerful :)
The Trangia will always out perform any bowl because it's able to preheat and somewhat pressurizes the alcohol as it heats up.. and your bowl was set way to low.
Wild turkeys forage for acorns in the snow. Winter time it takes much longer to get liquid to a boil. You will need at least double that amount of alcohol for that amount of water. In warm weather it takes 1 ounce for 1 cup of water. So in winter it is going to take much more and longer time.
Sorry if someone already suggested this, I haven't read all the comments, but I'd have found something like an upside-down empty can of some sort as a platform for the stove to raise it hire in the burn chamber of the gasifier stove. I think I've heard its best to have a smaller gap between the alcohol stove and the pot for best fuel efficiency. Though I guess it works fine the way you did it with the trangia.
You have to get the alcohol dish within about an inch of the bottom of the pot for maximum efficiency. Same for the Trangia burner. You accomplish this by flipping the burn chamber upside down inside the double wall ring. It will then be at the optimal height.
I'd say the plate is for solid fuel or possibly even a Gel fuel.. you can also take the Thor lid off your stove put it right in the ground and put the alcohol fuel in the cup. You wouldn't need the body at all. Just a way to support your kettle over the pot. You should give it a go. I've been know to play around with stoves a little.
The boil time takes a little getting used to compared to gas canisters (being pressurised systems of course), but I really like the silence of alcohol burning and what's the rush anyway? Always strive to be in your limits.
I like alky stoves for many things. The primary exception being melting snow. For that it's white gas or wood. czcams.com/video/J1HSWLX1vIs/video.html thanks for watching!!!
You have to flip the coal holder in the bottom upside down to make the alcohol pan closer to top. Try it it was in the description pictures on the one that I bought on Amazon so if I hadn't have seen those pictures I would have never figured it out myself. If the flame would have been closer to your pot of boiling water it would have been boiling halfway through the denatured alcohol burning out.
I laugh at people who say you need to let water boil for 10 minutes. Water borne disease causing parasites and bacteria are rapidly killed in water at 140F, most viruses at 150F. By the time your water hits a boil it's at 212F and has spent a few minutes at and above the temp required for pasteurization. Really the only reason to hit a boil is for a visual indication that your water has reached a certain temp, since most people don't carry kitchen thermometers in their packs. At 10K ft the boiling point is 192F (and lower as you go higher) so to be very safe you might want to leave the water boiling for a minute but any longer than that is just wasting fuel.
Yes. About 156 F just about everything dies which could hurt someone drinking water. I think there is a wax thing in a little container which melts once something is within the pasteurization zone. I was going to get one for my solar over. Thanks for watching!
My cheapo stove is the Famely. Very similar to yours. In the instructions (amazing, right?) it says the bowl is for solid alcohol fuel. I don't use solid fuel so I can't suggest it or not.
You got instructions? Dang. I didn't but came with a nice stuff sack. I do have some Esbit tablets. I should try those as well but might flip the inside piece like Brother Alex suggests. Thanks for watching!
yeah I'll get up go to pick me up one of those military alcohol stoves at Mickey's Surplus pretty big store Jim always your friend Kansas City Missouri
I purchased some Sterno smaller cans and they fit. I didn't buy the larger ones but think those are also a go! Will test the smaller ones for the next stove video.
MegaWoodswalker I love sterno. You can poke some small sticks in it to get them jelled and they take a spark easy to get your fire started. I'm curious if it has the BTU's to boil water in your stove.
No. I got it with the stove. I also got the same bowl for the folding stove as well. You can see the metal bowl in multiple listings for the wood gas stove. Take a look. www.ebay.com/itm/Portable-Wood-Gas-Burner-Backpacking-Camping-Picnic-Party-Alcohol-BBQ-Stove/253583635423?hash=item3b0ac333df:g:iFgAAOSw9uNa4EZV
Brother...flip the inside piece that you put the bowl on. That piece can either be put in the way you did for wood or flipped to raise the fire. That brings the bowl up higher and closer to the bottom of your tea pot.
I sure will give that a try next time. It was my first go with alcohol and this stove.Thanks for the advice and comment!
My pleasure my friend....thanks for the vids...keep em coming!
Thanks for being out there in the NE woods in winter. I remember how it was brutal for me.
I concur with USPC
• USPCompact45 • he is a dumb ass.
I have a warning for you. I did the exact same setup using the Trangia that you did, but on a hot day. After a minute or so the gasification process kicked in and the stove took off like a jet engine, burning up all the alcohol in about a minute and creating a very dangerous situation. I suppose that didn't happen to you because it was much cooler weather.
I had alky stoves do that before. If it's hot they can boil over and take off. More so fit their is a wind screen etc near the stove. Thanks for watching!
Greetings MW, it's much appreciated by me for your running this comparison with using alcohol. Isn't just amazingly hard to believe that there are other grown men watching another grown man boil water, all this on a Saturday night? And I am really glad to watch it. Thank You for your help today and for your great video.
LOL! I hear that. It's fun for sure and thanks for watching!
I just purchased one of these. The instructions say to flip the little insert upside down so the alcohol cup is closer to the top. I haven't tried alcohol yet, but flipping the insert upside down works perfectly! :) The design is great! The burn of the alcohol will be a lot more efficient.
Mine didn't come with instructions but I tested that out in another video as others gave me the same advice and it seemed to work better. Here is the video and thanks for watching! czcams.com/video/Rv89RJWe32U/video.html
Thanks! :)
Always learn something from you in a no pretense way. Awesome little burner with the pellets too.
Burned wood pellets great! Thanks for watching.
Hi Woodswalker,
great Video. I like your happy attitude.
In the cold Trangia burners need some drops of Alcohol spilled on top of the side rim or body. Thus it will heat up the alcohol inside a little bit. It helps starting the alcohol to vapourize out of the jet holes.
An additional windshield helps to reduce the amount of alcohol needed for each boil a lot. Especially under those windy circumstances.
As being said, the middle part of the Lixada stove needs to be put upside down to have that sweet spot if one inch for the trangia.
Try the Fancy Feast Stove by Hiram Cook. It is much more fuel efficient than the Trangia stoves. And it is a stove stand on its own. so you can reduce kit weight through using a pot, a windshield and the burner only.
Greetings from Germany!
Stefan
Going to try that next burn. I made DIY double walled Pepsi can stoves which also work good. Once made a cat stove. It was ok but like the jets from the Pepsi can. Thanks for watching!
A little alcohol stove is a must-have accessory for the wood gas stove. Lets you make a quick cup of tea/coffee/hot meal or sterilize water without building a wood fire. Flipping the inside basket, as others have mentioned, gives you a bit of heat control. Some things cook better on lower heat (like eggs), and some alcohol burners work better closer or farther from the pot bottom. You can also flip the alcohol/solid fuel cup over to adjust you burn height, I've built a number of beer can stoves and use two just for my wood gas stove. One burns hotter with a shorter burn time, about 18 minutes, and one burns a bit cooler but has a 30+ minute burn time; good for simmering or keeping the coffee hot. I set the alcohol burners in the little cup that came with the stove to use as a priming cup. All-in-all, a great system; very versatile.
Thanks for all of your video's,,, and KEEP THE BACON SACRED!
Thanks for watching!
Hello there,
Just wanted to send a quick message to say I have really enjoyed watching your videos. Pretty much very down-to-earth, realistic, and what the average guy like myself can enjoy.
Always look forward to the "sacred bacon." Usually, I use the sacred bacon as a form or grease on the cast iron fry pan when cooking some tasty moose steaks or sausages in the woods. Nothing outs a better taste on woods cooking than bacon.
Looking forward to more interesting videos of your adventures.
All the best.
Thanks for watching and I appreciate the comment!
Thanks for taking us along on your hike. It was beautiful out there! That's a nice little stove. Seems to be a clone of the SilverFire Scout stove, at a much more reasonable price. I made my alcohol burner stove following the "Fancy Feast" pattern on a CZcams video, and made a windscreen for it out of two beer cans. It works really well. Not as hardy or as heavy as yours, though. I'm looking forward to seeing how the tabs work. I've never tried them.
I made a Pepsi can and V8 can double walled stoves. They're fun to make! Thanks for watching!
+1 in flipping the solid fuel dish inside the stove to raise the trangia. It'd probably boil like a mad man then. I think for solid fuel I've seen the stove set up as normal. The dish goes on top sort of covering or filling the hole the wood would be in. This puts the fuel tab just a little below the pot. Similar to the set up catering companies use.
The Traingia worked great but the dish not so much so will do a video comparing the tabs/sterno/alky/wood. Will flip the parts for sure. Thanks brother!
the double wall is very bad for other fuel than wood and so you have to remove it...
the lil bowl is mostly for gel and esbit.
you can put the wood tray upside down too.
I did a second video and had better results with Alk with the wood try upside down using the dish. Thanks for watching! czcams.com/video/Rv89RJWe32U/video.html
I don't know if anyone has pointed out yet but you're supposed to turn the internal burn pan upside down and then lay the fuel cup on top of that. That puts the flame right on the kettle.
Yup some did and next time will try that. Thanks for posting the advice and watching!
Good test walker I have only used in solo stove and firebox
I also have a solo stove and Firebox. You have good taste in stove brother.
I wonder if that bowl fits and sits in the top of the stove? then you would be nice and close to the pot stands for tablet use...less wind protection, but just a thought.
Might try that as well! Thanks for watching.
@@MegaWoodswalker He's right. Taking the insert were the wood burn's & inverting it so the alcohol is raised higher. When you use alcohol, how high was the flame to the pan.
@@antoniol3271 I did another video testing that out. czcams.com/video/Rv89RJWe32U/video.html seemed to work better. Thanks for watching!
@@MegaWoodswalker Thank You For The Reply
I Watch Your Other Video Thank You
Love your approach , enjoyed .
Thanks!
Great Test , most helpful. I love my Trangia but just ordered one of these wood gassifier stoves. Always looking for dual usage stuff where I can. We got plenty of sticks here in New England... but they aren't always dry. I think I'll invest in a few wood pellets too.
Watch out for those Turkeys!
Thanks for the comments and watching!
I've nver actually used the boil method of treating water I usually use the gravity filter platypus or the katadyn hiker pro hand pump. Good to know that not even boiling water and you have been ok. I will play it safe and boil for 10min when I try it. Thanks for the video!
I normally use a Sawyer squeeze but not during the winter. Can't hardly ever go wrong playing it safe so boil away! Thanks for watching!
Always a joy watching. I love. Twig stoves like you but alcohol or white gas has its place.
I know you're big into twig stoves. I like um all!
I have the same stove but it didn't come with the tray, which I think is an ember catcher. I always enjoy your videos
Thanks for watching!
seems to use a larger volume of fuel compared to gas, but ease of use makes a good back up
Alcohol has less BTU I think. White gas is my preferred winter stove other than wood. Thanks for watching.
I allways have the same problem lighting the trangia in the cold . it's a great little stove, just need to remember to cary a lighter.
I am a BIG fan of the Bic. Just warm it in my hands and they're good to go! Thanks for watching!
Got mine and it said right in the instruction papers that the mystery bowl is for alcohol. If in doubt, try reading the instructions.
The burner basket in the bottom goes in upside down, so the alcohol is closer to the bottom of the pot.
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Don't seem to be able to reply t your reply.
Missing instructions and stuff happen, it's unfortunate. Like the videos. Always cheerful :)
Sadly mine didn't come with instructions. Thanks for watching!
Ha! I saw the other vid after this one first! Glad u know how to use the lil bowl now!
Yup. The community gave me some good advise on that! Thanks for watching!
The Trangia will always out perform any bowl because it's able to preheat and somewhat pressurizes the alcohol as it heats up.. and your bowl was set way to low.
Nice test thanks for taking the time to do it 🔥 bacon 🥓 would have been a true test hahaha till next time have a great day 🔥🔥
Next test I am sooooo bringing the bacon! Right on brother!
Fun vid thanks.
Thanks again for watching!
Wild turkeys forage for acorns in the snow. Winter time it takes much longer to get liquid to a boil. You will need at least double that amount of alcohol for that amount of water. In warm weather it takes 1 ounce for 1 cup of water. So in winter it is going to take much more and longer time.
Thanks for watching.
Sorry if someone already suggested this, I haven't read all the comments, but I'd have found something like an upside-down empty can of some sort as a platform for the stove to raise it hire in the burn chamber of the gasifier stove. I think I've heard its best to have a smaller gap between the alcohol stove and the pot for best fuel efficiency. Though I guess it works fine the way you did it with the trangia.
Nice video buddy
Thanks for watching. Subbed your channel!
thanks buddy
Good test!
Thanks for watching.
You have to get the alcohol dish within about an inch of the bottom of the pot for maximum efficiency. Same for the Trangia burner. You accomplish this by flipping the burn chamber upside down inside the double wall ring. It will then be at the optimal height.
I am going to try that next time. Thank for watching!
I'd say the plate is for solid fuel or possibly even a Gel fuel.. you can also take the Thor lid off your stove put it right in the ground and put the alcohol fuel in the cup. You wouldn't need the body at all. Just a way to support your kettle over the pot. You should give it a go. I've been know to play around with stoves a little.
Playing around with stoves is fun and thought about the same thing when doing the test. Thanks for watching!
Awesome channel! subbed! Great video MegaWoodStalker!
Thanks. I appreciate it!
The boil time takes a little getting used to compared to gas canisters (being pressurised systems of course), but I really like the silence of alcohol burning and what's the rush anyway? Always strive to be in your limits.
I like alky stoves for many things. The primary exception being melting snow. For that it's white gas or wood. czcams.com/video/J1HSWLX1vIs/video.html thanks for watching!!!
Hello mate another great fun video can you please do a video comparing the Traingia military and civilian ones. Thanks keep up the good work !
I will in the future! Thanks for watching!
Trangia is a great burner because its brass and it's Swedish 😊
So which is quicker? Using alcohol (once correctly set up) or wood? I'm guessing alcohol will be a lot less messy.
Great video. Where did you buy your big military burner? I have been looking for one for a long time.
I don't remember as had them for maybe 15 years. They're really good but dang I don't remember. Sorry brother.
what about putting triangia burner on the plate that you but just the alcohol in raise it up to burn hotter
Will give that a go in the as well. Thanks for the comment.
Flip the ash pan and use HEET for fuel works great with the Trangia
If you are going to try a sterno can, put it on top of the little tray, not using it, may put the sterno flame to low.
I wonder what the ideal high for sterno is. Will have to see what combo looks good. Will try your idea as well. Thanks for watching !
10/10, would invite the Walker to dinner
Thanks for watching!!!
You have to flip the coal holder in the bottom upside down to make the alcohol pan closer to top. Try it it was in the description pictures on the one that I bought on Amazon so if I hadn't have seen those pictures I would have never figured it out myself. If the flame would have been closer to your pot of boiling water it would have been boiling halfway through the denatured alcohol burning out.
I never got instructions with mine but based on people's comments I did a redo. czcams.com/video/Rv89RJWe32U/video.html
Try wood pellets they work good .
Yes did a video on that as well. Worked great!
I laugh at people who say you need to let water boil for 10 minutes. Water borne disease causing parasites and bacteria are rapidly killed in water at 140F, most viruses at 150F. By the time your water hits a boil it's at 212F and has spent a few minutes at and above the temp required for pasteurization. Really the only reason to hit a boil is for a visual indication that your water has reached a certain temp, since most people don't carry kitchen thermometers in their packs. At 10K ft the boiling point is 192F (and lower as you go higher) so to be very safe you might want to leave the water boiling for a minute but any longer than that is just wasting fuel.
Yes. About 156 F just about everything dies which could hurt someone drinking water. I think there is a wax thing in a little container which melts once something is within the pasteurization zone. I was going to get one for my solar over. Thanks for watching!
@@MegaWoodswalker never seen that thanks for mentioning it. Great videos by the way, keep em coming!!
Here it is. I reviewed the stove and remember they had it. www.sunflair.net/product/wapi-water-pasteurization-indicator/
I have this stove mine has a defiant pot stand tho the bowl will set just below the pot stand in the opening
Thanks for posting!
My cheapo stove is the Famely. Very similar to yours. In the instructions (amazing, right?) it says the bowl is for solid alcohol fuel. I don't use solid fuel so I can't suggest it or not.
You got instructions? Dang. I didn't but came with a nice stuff sack. I do have some Esbit tablets. I should try those as well but might flip the inside piece like Brother Alex suggests. Thanks for watching!
Yes, it says to flip the burn chamber like that. Happy testing and trails.
Looks like it's a little far from the bottom of the pot
If you get rolling boil your water is purified.
yeah I'll get up go to pick me up one of those military alcohol stoves at Mickey's Surplus pretty big store Jim always your friend Kansas City Missouri
Those are great. Get one!
Love your videos what happened to you hope you are doing well.
He passed away about 3 years ago.
Does a can of sterno fit?
Don't know but will try that next along with the tabs.
I purchased some Sterno smaller cans and they fit. I didn't buy the larger ones but think those are also a go! Will test the smaller ones for the next stove video.
MegaWoodswalker I love sterno. You can poke some small sticks in it to get them jelled and they take a spark easy to get your fire started. I'm curious if it has the BTU's to boil water in your stove.
Got some gas so will test that along with the Esbit and alky (with inner part upside down). Thanks for watching!
That bowl doesn't even come with that stove, it's for the liaxada folding pocket stove
No. I got it with the stove. I also got the same bowl for the folding stove as well. You can see the metal bowl in multiple listings for the wood gas stove. Take a look. www.ebay.com/itm/Portable-Wood-Gas-Burner-Backpacking-Camping-Picnic-Party-Alcohol-BBQ-Stove/253583635423?hash=item3b0ac333df:g:iFgAAOSw9uNa4EZV