Did Sweden take the right path in handling the pandemic? | COVID-19 Special
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- With most adults vaccinated, Sweden is removing almost all pandemic restrictions Wednesday despite rising case numbers. The country has been an outlier in aspects of its handling of the disease, shunning hard lockdowns throughout the pandemic.
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talk about how the politicians are bought and paid for by the pharmaceutical companies to mandate the vaccine to the point that New York is about to bring in the national guard because they about fire 70k health care workers explain the science in that.
What pandemic?
How strong is the protection from the mixed & match vaccine strategy?
Better than Germany, without removing human rights. Well done ❤️🇸🇪
It's easy for them to be free when greta thunberg gives speeches at davos the same people behind the great reset.
I live in Sweden and i think the strategy is 100% correct.
Definitely. They never even mentioned the economic or phycological impact lockdowns have.
Yes
I agree we all going to get the virus anyway
I want to leave Germany and come work in Sweden do you think it's possible
There are studies that predicted Sweden's death toll would be 10x higher with no lockdown. Prediction failed.
Lockdowns do a lot of damage too, nobody talks about that. It's always the emotional arguments like 'how can you not care about the NHS etc', whereas in reality we should just calculate the damage that restriction impose upon health, the economy and social cohesion and determine if this damage is smaller or bigger than the number of healthy lives lost due to Corona. Luckily Sweden is there to prove to the world how it can be done differently.
Differently as in how there were more deaths in Swedish nursing homes due to little to no safety precautions?
@@hiqwerty7747 Well this specific case is tragic, but like I said, the virus is not going away so we'll have to calculate whether lockdowns + their damage are worth it. I think not. I think they do so much damage, they don't make sense anymore so save a few lives that were already frail.
As for nurses, they should get protection of course, whether there's a lockdown or not. Didn't know that was not handled well in Sweden.
@@hiqwerty7747 That has to do with so many other factors then just that. One example is very few people work full time at elder cares so you will have a huge number of different workers at any given place which does increase the risk factor by alot.
@@hiqwerty7747 another major factor was that if an elder patient did get the virus they were given morphine. Which can lead to a quicker death.
@@hiqwerty7747 Every country has deaths in covid.If we look at excess death of the corona period we have less than Finland and for sure among the lowest in Europe. And that with keeping our democracy in tact and people less depressed and not really damaging kids.
They ask if Sweden took the right approach and then interview the guy who clearly thinks it didn’t.
How about interviewing somebody, who is actually impartial? How about listening to two experts with opposing views? Quality journalism is long dead.
Bravo!
Fear sells.
They even went as far as to compare the corona deaths in Sweden and Norway by the actual numbers of dead people when the Swedish population is more than twice as large!
Also the idea with getting herd immunity early on was to save lives in the mid to long term. Why don´t they mention this? How many are dying in Sweden today, compared to countries that took different approaches?
Iv watched a lot of DW documentaries, they always have a clear bias on everything slightly political, but at least its obvious enough that you know its biased.
@@1112viggo It's very sad that politics extends to the domains, which should never be political in the first place.
Of course, DW as a German state-owned outlet has to defend its government's mistakes, but then they should stop calling themselves journalists.
@@whiterollone Everything is political these days, even gender identity. But yes, its very sad.
Real journalism died long ago. All news media are either part of large media empires or government sponsored, both of witch are clearly biased in everything they report on. I wish some regular guys would do a real investigative journalism channel on CZcams, asking critical questions and exposing lies and hypocrisy. id trust a group of regular people with a passion for truth more than any other news media.
Correction: masks were never mandatory in Sweden, only recommended.
Be careful they dont like you correcting the narrative
14,000 died though, compare that to other Nordic countries
@@amir3515 yeah but look at Germany’s deaths
@@WehrmachtKradschutzen Sweden still had more when you account for population
@@amir3515 no Germany has way more cause the population of Germany is 80 million while Sweden is only around 10 million with a lower rate still
I have been a strong supporter of Sweden's approach since the start of the pandemic and it's sad how difficult is to find unbiased information about the subject almost 2 years into the pandemic. Most videos on this matter insist in comparing Sweden with Norway or Denmark which have been very successful controlling the virus but completely ignore that Sweden's "'deaths per million population" are much lower than Italy, France and Spain even when these countries had strict lockdowns; and are on par with countries like Germany or the Netherlands
no one ever calculates the cost of hard lock downs, stress, suicide rates, economic damage etc either.
@@cloudedjourney
You are right, all this government intervention is pure anti liberty and therefore harmful.
And now it is very clear regarding excess death that Sweden are one of lowest in Europe and lower than Finland for example. So the comparing with the nordic countries does not even work any longer.
Left wing media outlets are the only sources that come up on any platform, hence why there is no truth being told, the very same outlets that pushed these narratives, and encouraged these dystopian measures. History will not look fondly on this current left wing establishment that has caused this. After all this pain, misery, and death, they still remain in power.
i need to move there, the taste of freedom is priceless
Please stay where you are.
😅😄😁 am joking you welcome bro, dont forget a warm jacket
@@is2fiftyslowfsport744 read the whole comment again bro all the way back
@@is2fiftyslowfsport744 you didn't read the second sentence
@@jmissole 😅😄😁
@@is2fiftyslowfsport744 good night
At least we know now which country is democratic.
I’m from Stockholm and I’m not vaccinate, it’s nice to live in normal county with choice…
Is there a lot of judgement? I also didn't take the vaccine, but here, there's a lot of societal judgement towards those who aren't vaccinated, even the president openly despises us. How is it in Sweden?
@@derfranz5770 Are you seriously supporting the social pressures that women experience to have multiple children, raise and take care of them (plus her likely lazy husband), and have a full-time career?
And people wonder why we don't trust the ones trying to coerce vaccines...
Also, not getting a vaccine is not comparable to littering or destroying the environment, it's actually the opposite. It creates no garbage, and doesn't create the snowballing of "vaccine seasons" that have to be created and rolled out every season because the virus will ALWAYS mutate and become stronger than human-made inventions. Nature always wins.
@@derfranz5770You shouldn't be telling people it is safe when you have no idea. Have you ever heard of a program called VAERS in the USA. This is a government run program that pays out to people who have had vaccine damage. Their reports on damage has gone up 10 X since the COVID 19 vaccines have come out from roughly 50,000 cases per year to over 500,000 cases including 15,000 deaths all for a disease that had 99.8 recovery rate. There is something called openvaers that documents all the cases on VAERS and you can go there an examine each case separately. These cases are under reported as well.
Covid says,this is not the end,,wait for your turn..
I got the Pfizer vaccine and I received a serious adverse reaction (heart inflammation). I have been in excruciating pain and bedridden for more than a month now and I’m still sick and in pain despite being on max dose medication which I have to be on for the next 6 months. I am young and healthy and it seems my immune system has overreacted badly to the supposedly very safe! vaccine. Every individual’s immune system is different. No healthcare provider can guarantee that you won’t be developing an adverse reaction, they can only tell you that the risk is low but there’s absolutely no guarantee. I’m happy you have a free choice. In Canada vaccination is mandatory and people have developed a fanatical judgmental attitude towards the unvaccinated, people can lose jobs and be deprived of education for making the choice of not taking a vaccine, partially vaccinated people are also seen as unvaccinated although no one tests their antibodies, maybe for this person one shot is enough? at the individual level, a person with one dose of a vaccine without the second booster might have equal or maybe even more immunity than a fully vaccinated person who got their shot say 10 months ago. We simply can’t know without testing. I think we have also developed a very inhumane attitude towards people who receive adverse reactions, denial or minimizing the experience of people like me who have been affected, I have experienced this inhuman treatment a few times in the past weeks that I have been sick, by various people online and in the real world, so I have decided not to tell people I am so sick due to the vaccine anymore, the general idea is that the chances of this particular adverse effect is 1-5 in 100k (based on current confirmed investigated cases, real numbers could be higher) so because chances are not high it doesn’t matter! You must still take the shot and if you come down with an adverse reaction so be it ! You’re seen as just a collateral damage for the greater good! Very inhuman perspective from the people who actually claim to be very compassionate!! The irony!
Here in Greece we now have 17.000+ Covid Deaths (2.000 more than Sweden) and we had 8 months of full lockdowns, 18 months or ridiculous restrictions and a totally messed up economy. The vaccination stats are a little bit lower than Sweden, though.
What happened to ελευθερία η θάνατος??
Sweden looking like one of the most free countries out there.
If you go with the flow..
One of the least free of covid and deaths eliminating freedom totally.
@@petitio_principii no it gives people the choice to live. You're more likely to die a million other ways. Yet we accept those risks
@@SS-yj2le compared to people getting thrown in covid camps, I'd say Sweden is closer than most
Sweden has socialized healthcare. It works!
Many deaths in Sweden came from our retirement homes and nursing homes. The last 30 years the quality in that sector have sunk like a rock because they now run like companies where profit is the main goal and quailty second. This leads to cheap uneducated labour with tight schedules, alot of traveling and many clients. That made the virus spread like a wildfire in the befinning and many elderly died.
Its not just sweeden it happen in all countries the exact same thing and also how they have been run for years
Hi David Altamerano, I agree with your description of what happened and why, in Sweden as in the UK the care home sector has become one of the favourite hunting grounds for some vulture capitalists who take advantage of our corrupt financial regulations to use the safe state income stream from the public sector paying the fees of care home residents and the capital 'value' of the properties to leverage vast loans to enable speculative investment in dodgy projects, thus encouraging them to keep their care home running costs to the barest minimum. The fact that this virus was so well able to exploit that system is a fault of the system, not fair to blame the virus!. Cheers, Richard.
yup. Should re-nationalize them tbh after this. Whistleblowers have exposed how they were told to ignore regulation and did not have the equipment they were supposed to have. Let alone previous scandals with old people being left dying or having to eat pancakes without any jam/cream/anything.
They literally gave people with covid just morphine instead of getting them help. This had nothing to do with Sweden not having lockdowns or masks like the robot man in the interview said, it's just neglect of those elderly people.
@ David, we had the same problem in the US, with nursing home deaths. This virus replicates super fast and old people's bodies can't produce white blood cells fast enough to keep up the fight. The virus replicates the fastest in people's airways at 47.6 F /8.6 C, which is why it becomes more deadly in the winter. If they would turn up the heaters to high, it slows the viral replication and gives them a better chance of fighting off the infection.
Sweden seemed more relaxed about the restrictions and mask wearing as compared to other nations. They did give signs to stay 2 metres away from people.
One problem we had was that the PPE we had in emergency store in Sweden was to old. Rubber-bands and fabric crumbled. Most of this had to go to incineration. From a political point of view this would have been a disaster if made widely public. So the official story is that it would not help. Private citizens started 3D -printing parts and together with OH-film made in to facemasks. Disposable raincoats in stead of proper PPE where used. And the list goes on.
Another problem are that a lot of staff are not permanently employed, but are on unpaid telephone stand by. When called in for work, they are very dependent on that days income. That might be a reason for that elderly and fragile got sick.
@@thomasbjarnelof2143 The PPE store dismantling was decided years before the corona pandemic and was never a secret and is not something that was perticular to sweden in this "on-demand" reality that we've built globally.
The equally global use of gig staffers in the care sector might be the biggest problem of all. And in my opinion, on gig work as it exists today has no place in swedish society and should be abolished as it undermins not just the quality control system and quality of care in the healthcare sector but undermines the swedish democracy by creating unsecure working conditions and thus unsecure parents, to unsecure kids.
It was that extra .3 feet that saved them, we just did 2 yards in Lets go Brandon kingdom.
@@thomasbjarnelof2143 US had problem of no reserves when they were suppose to. It got.depleted after swine flu supposedly in 2010 or something and never restocked
You need to interview 2x people not just the guy who didn’t like it.
Countries like Sweden and Switzerland are mostly neutral.. Not directly against both Chinese, US, Russian and European policies.. No mainstream politics arent going to affect them it seems.
Pretty sure Sweden and Switzerland are against China and Russia :P
@@kristofferhellstrom there are some scary documentaries on Swedes trying to always be ready just in case Putin decides to take more terrain around there, or take over totally.
@@petitio_principii What's scary about Sweden having a military defence?
You can be neutral all you want, China and Russia will take what they want when they want it.
@@petitio_principii We have waged more wars with Russia then any other country on earth and russia has invaded our brothers and sisters in Finland more then once in the past 200 years, why wouldnt we be preperad for Russian military interferance in the Nordic countries
I'm grateful to Sweden. Bless them and all of you.
Love to Sweden!
(signed: the virus)
@@anvb5a1 In what way do you mean. Among the lowest death per capita in Europe and less than Finland according to excess death per capita (check economist who keep track of that and also was against our strategy but later had to confess it did not yield bad result). Maybe the spread among kids? Well that hardly gave any deaths at all and certainly not more than any other country.
God bless the people of Sweden and their leaders. A breath of fresh air.
And their socialized healthcare!
As a Dutchy living in Sweden, i was often homesick to the Netherlands. Since covid i feel effing BLESSED to live here, and not be a second class QR code citizen.
I wish that i was living in Sweden right now 🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽 i am happy for you Ingrid 🙏🏽❤️ that u live in freedom in zweden 🙏🏽❤️
Sounds like you are in a good place Ingrid. I live in the US, and have both Dutch and Swedish ancestry. When I was in elementary school my teacher had some wooden shoes on display in the classroom and told us that the Dutch wear wooden shoes. I grew up thinking people in your country wore wooden shoes LOL. My Grandfather and his brothers were real tall, which I assume came from the Dutch genes. I'm kinda tall too, at 6'1", but they were 6'6" and 6'8". What brought you to Sweden?
You are beautiful 😍
Worden QR codes ook niet meer geëist bij horeca toegang?
Getting vaccinated isn't such a big deal... Here in Germany children can only go to kindergarten if they have the measles vaccine, and teenagers are often required to have their tetanus shots up to date if they want to go to a holiday camp. So why is it a big deal, just because at the moment you need to be vaccinated in some contexts? If that alone makes you feel like a second class citizen, you're probably kinda privileged.
The Swedish chef was by far the happiest Muppet. There are literally hundreds of Muppets. He was a culinary artist and a lover of life. Let's all endeavor to live like the Swedish chef. ✌️
Sweden did not joining the agenda. They used their brains and thought for themselves 👍🏾. Why weren't more counties this brave ? 😒
love this country love from australia.
And we love yours in Eurovision and for Phantomstrider.
Sweden you don't owe the world an explanation for your assessment and policy for your citizens. At least one country in this world doesn't follow Machiavellian political shenanigans. Stolt över att vara en svensk!
Håller med! 💯
Håller med, stolt att jag valde Sverige som mitt land 😌😌😌
@@rrijecanka 🇸🇪🇸🇪🇸🇪
One country? Half of the US refused these restrictions and now everyone is silent because Florida has a very lo number of cases, probably because of natural immunity.
GOD bless the Scandinavian nations ! . The best places to live on the face of the earth !.
Its cold there
@@halisakdag5247 it's not cold, freezing !!!! Been there once in early June, exterior 11 & interior 9°C while the northern part was still snowing !!! The fun part was you can drive ON the frozen lake water 😆
@@halisakdag5247 I live there, and it's not cold. I would say the weather is mild. The winters are quite dark though.
@@patscorner7183 😆 🤣 😂 😹.
@@catsrus-es9eu yes, go drive your car on the icy frozen lake btw midsommer you'd experience the white night(s) 🤗
Yep! a lot of people still alive and well.
Except of those who died, in much larger numbers than neighbor countries which were much more free from disease.
Yes, those who are not dead! Nice observation! :D
But also dead but who cares about that right?
@@petitio_principii Science: We proved that lockdowns increase overall mortality.
Ignorant like you: i'm gonna pretend i didn't see that.
Follow the science = logic.
Follow the politicians = haphazard rules and politicising mandates.
MAINSTRAIM MEDIA AND CLAUS SWAB WOULD SAY CHINA AND AUSRALIA DOING THE BEST
So 15,000 dead with a population of only 10 million is a good outcome to you? As long as you’re not inconvenienced by restrictions and masks? It doesn’t matter what mainstream media ‘says’ surely? Death rate is not a metric? They’re expendable for ‘freedom’?
I never heard any media say that China did well. They actually said that China probably hides outbreaks.
Mainstream
Probably not.
I agree with most of the contents but I want to make a few remarks.
Sweden is slightly better than EU average when it comes to deaths per capita, while enjoying freedom.
It my sound alarming that the population has lost 100,000 years due to COVID deaths, but keep in mind that’s merely 4 days per person.
I’m ashamed that Sweden has always been a country of a slow government that isn’t prepared for crisis.
We weren’t prepared for WW2 and we had no virus labs or materials for COVID pandemic. We had poor PCR capacity and not supplies of materials.
I believe in masks but before summer 2021 there was no waterproof scientific evidence of protection when prescribing to a population. And still, the effect is small - much less than keeping distance.
Also be honest when comparing Sweden to other countries. Sweden is not a worst off country in an European context. This competition-minded and blaming approaches is not helping in a broader understanding of this pandemic.
Your country is involved in the great reset.
@@peterp4037 Well Sweden doesnt have so many nutcases who believes anything on the internet. We have a couple of 1000 nutties.
Respect to Sweden from Croatia ❤
Sweden is doing well
Completely biased report. It just assumes the answer to the question, instead of investigating and reporting both sides. Is this what passes for journalism at DW?
Curiosity in journalism is dead (or at least in lockdown). Journalists have merely been soldiers in the war of narratives during this pandemic. Shameful.
DW is already the least biased german TV channel. Fasten your seatbelt when watching ARD or ZDF!
Don’t compare Sweden and Norway, compare Sweden to the USA because we have the same nursing home systems which we’re breeding grounds for this mess. Norway has a much more isolated living system for the elderly since before the pandemic which saved them of a high death count
Well thats just one reason. Norway had more restrictions early on, tracing everyone who got the virus. The main reason so many elderly died is simply because Sweden lost control of the virus, making it almost impossible to guard the elderly...
You're right, in the US our nursing home patients weren't protected. They locked them down from having outside visitors, but the nurses and caretakers were coming in from the outside and brought the virus in and infected them. Most of the over 700 thousand Covid deaths in the US were not actually caused by Covid, but by ventilators and remdesivir. It's not proper medical protocol to put someone with pneumonia on a ventilator, but they did it, and continue doing it still today. Remdesivir killed 54% of ebola patients in Africa, but they made it standard treatment for all Covid ICU patients, because big pharma charges 4000 dollars for a 4 day IV treatment. Remdesivir causes the kidneys to fail, but when the person dies from kidney failure they blame it on Covid.
Sweden didn't give hospital treatment to elderly or oldish people with Covid. This meant less of a strain on the health care system and very bad outcomes for older people with Covid.
That's interesting. Do the other nordic countries follow the Norwegian nursing home model.
I appreciate honest journalism… We’re missing that in America 🤷🏽♂️
Bahahahhahahahahahaha "honest" 🤣🤣🤣
Yes, its so sad! Sometimes I wonder if should rename The CIA. CDA would be more appropriate (Central Desinformation Agency).
DW honest... 🤣
Husband: Media is owned by BigPharma. ..Wife: That would have been on the NEWS!
😂😂😂👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
Sweden got it right from the start and breezed through all this, while pretty much the rest of the world stumbled and some are still trying to figure out what to do.
Sweden is free because they are involved in the great reset.
How did Sweden do it right with 14,000 deaths,when Norway has 850 ?
What grade are you in school ?
@@peterp4037 please exlain how going against the global narrative that is pushing the great reset would be part of the great reset. Not a provocative question, i genuinely want to understand your point of view, because i am aware that Sweden has being pioneering great reset Trojan horses like implanted microchips etc. so i can't see how their different approach toward cov1d containment could be see in this same light.
Breezed through with 14 000 elderly dead.... You must be joking right
@Alpha Guy I'm entitled to make gay comments,i'm gay.
It was never mandatory to wear facemask in Sweden.
I
I wish I was in Sweden
Sweden did amazing. Don’t manipulate your viewers by trying to make them judgmental!!! Why do you try to make Sweden look like an irresponsible country even tho they listen to their heart and INDEPENDENT scientists!
Had the worse death toll of Scandinavian countries, eliminating freedom with deisease, without even an economic gain to compensate.
@@petitio_principii 20th idiotic comment i read from u. go away
Where Sweden got it right is because it didn't overreact. The rest of the world is having a difficult time getting back to normal because they did these lockdowns. Most at my job are still working from home. 2 years later.
@@petitio_principii and when you compare it to Czech rep. or Greece or Portugal which all have around 10M people like Sweden but they had hard lockdown, guess which country has the least death?
@@zoom5024 irrelevant comparison, less lockdown = more transmission, so no/less lockdown in countries that fared worse would have had even a larger death toll. No-lockdown doesn't magically makes the virus go away just because we'd like it, it only makes it easier for it to spread and kill.
Sweden also has the unparalleled advantage of being the country where most people live alone in their houses, which is the closest to a lockdown by default that you could get.
It looks like cases are rising in most of Europe but remain flat in Sweden, despite the fact that Sweden's vaccination rate is not as high as some other European countries. Maybe they've achieved herd immunity.
The vaccination rate in Sweden higher in Sweden than in most European countries though, only 11 have higher vaccination rates (and over 30 has lower).
Since 1 november the recommendation is that you don´t have to get tested if you´re vaccinated, which is probably the one important reason why the cases remain flat or decreases in Sweden. Cases isn´t a great figure to compare between countries, since it relies so much on how much testing is being done.
It´s better to compare how many are hospitalized, how many are in the ICU and the waste water.
Sweden has been a little behind the rest of Europe in the other waves, Sweden has been rising when the others peaked and were on the way down, so I think it´s a bit to early to say anything, in January-February we'll know.
Maybe they didn't take as much tests. For the illness, that is so dangerous you need to take a test to know you have it. A test, that even doesn't tell you have it according to INVENTOR of said test. My god, what am I living through? 🤣
other countries took the restrictions and still collapsed under the weight of an economic recession so yeah sweden really didnt fail
Except that it has it has multiple times more dead by Covid than the other Nordic neighbours. Kind of a fail...
@@Alfadrottning86 Yawn
@@Alfadrottning86 You sound bitter
Natural immunity doesn't make Pharma rich.
So the solution to COVID is everyone should get COVID.
Whats your HIV policy?
But the mortician...........
Uk had 3 hard lockdown and has one of the worst outcomes..
I wouldn't be surprised if your reckoning isn't still on its way, because his variant is nasty. Nobody should get too comfy yet, that was our mistake and now the military is sending nurses to help us and airlift patients out of the province.
Could the UK have been worse without the measures?
We had Boris
Brexit killed them
@D R Indian death reports prior to Delta is about 4x under-reported. During Delta it was about 10x under-reported. According to India officials. By comparison Swine Flu pandemic was under-reported by a factor of 11x. So under-reporting was well expected in advance, and have come true.
Similarly, according to Putin himself, the Russian death reports was at the time of announcement also in the 3-4x range of under-reported. Several had called it before the announcement as the numbers just didn't make any sense at all. Peru was so badly under-reported they had to adjust their numbers to match that of either estimated under-reportings or their total excess deaths (also including pandemic collateral damage). US was prior to Delta in the 2x average (US was at a massive +15% excess deaths in 2020 alone) and Europe (or EU?) in the 1.25-1.75x range. Sweden and Belgium among the best reporters. Belgium did this deliberately to combat under-reporting tendencies. Even Norway with *negative* excess deaths overall isn't in the best class.
But Asia overall kept the wild type at bay pretty well. I would say extraordinarily well. This might have to do with being slightly more socialist in nature (caring for society more than on themselves), and previous scare with SAR-CoV-1 putting them more on the alert.
"Looking at any country, neither lockdowns nor vaccines seem to influence the evolution of the pandemy"
Norway have -4.5% negative excess deaths. Sweden is around +0.5%. Norway did a hard lockdown initially for a couple of months; prepare the system, obtain PPE etc. When the rest of the Nordics started to ease up, Sweden faced a massive health care problem and had to slam the brakes, getting more restrictive. At the time, Sweden had a harder hit economically on the GDP. They were also legally restricted from doing lockdown, but that has since been added to law. So they sacrificed a lot of people for no real benefit. When winter came along, they were far from any herd immunity and suffered yet again. Of course, since then, all Nordics have gradually eased and I guess most are re-opened now without much going on. If Sweden *could* lock down, they would. And they too could have been well into the negatives wrt excess deaths. Lockdowns and working from home have had numerous other positive effects; no other transmissible diseases going around (no flu or rsv++), Norway had a 14% reduction in traffic related deaths due less people on the road. Less on pretty much all regards. I don't think suicides have gone up, maybe even the contrary as those a mostly associated with heartbreak which during lockdown is a situation hard to get into. I'm just speculating though. I can't imagine too much addition depression as the social security network is kinda huge - lots lost their job, but it was (outside of hard hit sectors like tourism and night life) for most temporary and not a catastrophic loss of income. I think most even enjoy working from home due to not having to pay insanely high road tolls.
Vaccines have let us reopen completely because there is low enough pressure on the health system to not exclude it from anyone else who need access to it. That sounds like a pretty decent positive to me. Having had relatively low cases overall due pretty good behavior - might be other beneficial factors for Nordics we haven't discovered yet - also presents a lower societal cost from Long Covid and possibly even life expectancy.
"Curves of vaccination and cases/victims are totally independant..."
Absolutely not. Highly vaccinated countries have a much lower correlation between cases and deaths than low vaccinated countries compared to their previous surges. Look at the Delta surge in India, Indonesia, and Nepal (among others) and compare it to Delta surge in Israel. Compare against previous surges. To make it simple, assume there is no reduction in efficacy and there is a constant breakthrough ratio of 5% (95% efficacy on vaccines, always). Then Delta comes along with R0 8.0 vs wild type R0 2.5. Those 5% matters a lot due to the insane explosive numbers R0 8.0 produce in comparison. Assuming no mitigation efforts (Israel had lowered all other defenses) using a more modest 6.5, and plot 5 "hops" of transmission:
Base 2.5, 5 "hops": 2, 6, 15, 39, 97
Base 6.5, 5 "hops": 6, 42, 274, 1785, 11602
5% of 100 cases is only 5 people hospitalized.
5% of 10000 cases is now 500 people hospitalized.
Now imagine what Delta would have done to Israel being unvaccinated and had no mitigation effects in place. Disaster, much like India. Not claiming their situation is ideal, if health care is under severe pressure that's bad in itself, it just could have been so much worse. And then, likely protection have deteriorated somewhat over time, certainly not helping, but it's absolutely not nullified.
Yes, one of the few countries that respect its citizens,
No, they are simply involved in the great reset.
I wouldn't call that respect.
Where is the respect for the 14,000 who died ?
@@tirpitz19 survival of the fittest, normal development.
@@tirpitz19 more people died in 2019 than 2020.
Swedish health authority is more competent then Defence expert. The whole report is illogical - low death rate or high deaths? Were they right or should they have listened to WHO? The only one answer is correct for this report - follow WHO, no matter the facts.
Be grateful for the freedom you enjoy! 👍
Thanks! We are :) Finally back at the office. Going to restaurants and to the cinema!
Unless you're a relative of those who needlessly died, in comparison with countries that had more freedom from disease all over, like New Zealand.
@@petitio_principii Not every country on earth is a small island like New Zealand.
Sweden took the right way in the pandemic. They may have more deaths due to the virus, but they have a lot less deaths due to suicide compared with other European countries. For example in Germany (where I'm from) mental illnesses skyrocketed and everybody was depressed. It just was a terrible time.
Keep going this way Sweden 🇸🇪
Fully agree.
I think that stressing people out about not taking the vaccine and shaming them or taking away social activities from them would only add to the suicide rates.
@@angelabrolund1373 Indeed, stress is a real killer. I feel lied to by the media, which is not a feeling I WANT to have, but it happens after you read and research various more independent news sources and health experts.
Medical experts and media are not doing us justice with being as honest and upfront about COVID treatment and prevention. Just in the last year, I've learned new information that I had to find myself ranging from ways different countries handled COVID from the onset, death rates, mandates vs. recommendations, case tracking and treatment, immunization options, natural immunity, good hygiene practices being a key to prevention (of many forms of sickness, not just COVID), etc.
This is a frustrating time because, for example, in Canada, where I live, we are governed on healthcare based on provinces, not country-wide. We have 10 provinces and 3 territories, so each of those places have had different restrictions, recommendations, immunization rates, infection and death rates. Nothing is consistent even in the same country.
Despite all that, Canada has 80% vaccinated who are eligible but the overwhelming message from governments seems to be mandates of vaccines over more honesty about the various circumstances of how a region can get back to a healthier lifestyle based on science.
I'm not a medical expert so that's what I feel frustrated when I realize I'm not getting the whole truth in the mainstream news about public health. I realized that governments under this dictatorship-like economy knows how to do one thing: Control and restrict. What they don't know how to do is care, collaborate and respect.
Or maybe they already knew something we don't.
@@coolioso808 There are a lot of people out there that feel information is being suppressed. The sad part is that if you see things in a different way, it is called misinformation. There is no room for discussion.
In my humble opinión they did the right thing.
GB has calculated an additional 10000 death from Cancers alone because of the lockdowns. With a global average age of 79, i think its time to teach people to calculate years of life vs life alone. A child dying is not the same “ life” loss as an 80 yr old. There are rarely solutions, rathe trade offs. Fear makes for bad thinking
Is covid19 the true cause of all those deaths recorded? 😔
Nope!
Some Covid deaths may not have been recorded as such either.
this week a report said 2/3 was "from covid". 1/3 was "with covid" in Sweden
There's a commission to find out who failed, and someone did fail, with the elder-care. Basically at the start of the pandemic when every nation was still unsure on how to approach it, we had the worst possible patient-zero infection; Our elder-care. Basically our entire first wave *started* among the elderly and *then* to the rest of society, wherein most countries it was the young who infected the elderly.
Yes. They did the necessary and what was required.
I'm tired of media using Sweden as a case of study to draw comparisons with all other nations in this world. Sweden has a (mostly) government/tax-funded high-quality universal healthcare system. Their culture doesn't seem to be so obssessed with wealth accumulation, and society in general seem to have a greater respect for the life and dignity of their fellow citizens. It's a highly educated society, and the pandemic was not as politicized as it's still is in many nations. Of course they can rely on the general population's common sense.
It remained non-politicized because of the lack of restrictions. Politicization is created by introduction of restrictions and of course there would be some backlash by sectors of the population, eg those who lost their jobs and/or business from lockdowns and some politicians would capitalize on that creating politicization. Not the case in Sweden
"government taking care of it's citizens"? No thanks, give me capitalism where government looks after the wealthy corporations and elites.
Actually their health care compared to rest of EU countries is very average. In sweden money is everything that's why they didn't close their economy to save it. You keep making statements about sweden that aren't true. They are free because they are pro great reset.
I live in sweden, they never followed any recommendations, everything was theater.
@P Pierre "anti lockdown people"...oh, you mean basically everyone in Sweden.
Also we were still working on our hand on burner study, once we discovered that every time we put hand on a stove burner that was on....result was ouch...ouch....then we moved on to mask studies and discovered in all neighboring countries where they wore masks , fewer people died , but they were very itchy
I don't hear the Swedish people complaining only the experts
Polls among the voters in Sweden says a majority are "very pleased" with how it was dealt with here. Luckily most people doesnt care what foreign tv-channels think :O)
a poll today said 24% want more hard restrictions in Sweden. The rest thought less or was happy as it is, 4 % didnt know.
Did they even mention average life length and the fact that elderly was the bigest afected group? I live in Sweden and the only mistake i see is unpreperes retirement centers where C19 had full blast.
India even with low vaccination rates is doing superb when compared per capita.
Younger population. When age is Main reason for COVID-19 death then that's not so strange.
Average age in India 29 years Sweden 41 years.
Life expectancy India 70 years old Sweden 83 years old.
India, people don't get diagnosis. Thats why. They dont test!
@@matcha4953 And they themselves were very honest and stated that there were mass deaths caused by Covid that couldn't be recorded. Cremation happened quickly in the open. The hospitals were overwhelmed and India had to rely on international aid to keep up with the demand for oxygen. It was horrific.
India has so many dark numbers because very few cases get registered there
@@jaffy4042 why do you not believe India is really having fewer cases? India has indeed having really much fewer cases deaths due to covid and this is ground reality.
How do u move to sweden
Ask the Afghans, they seem to know.
@@MrBlue-dm5li we denied them asylum so they left for France and UK instead.
Wow how biased/incompetent can you be? Comparing the corona deaths in Sweden and Norway by the actual numbers of dead people when the Swedish population is more than twice as large is not a fair comparison! Also the idea with getting herd immunity early on was to save lives in the mid to long term. Why don´t you mention this? How many are dying in Sweden today, compared to countries that took different approaches?
Freedom is more important than life.
Dead people don't have much freedom left tho...
@@anvb5a1 okay so people can only die of covid now? Since when did you care about when every individual lives and dies?
@@Alan-ou2id Well, i pretty much always have preferred surviving than dying, for me and for others as well, making a deadly virus endemic doesn't seem to be the optimal solution since it's the problem at hand...
How can I migrate out of this pharmaceutical industry ran prison to Sweden?
Well first, you need to be fully vaccinated before applying.
Coming from Afghanistan seems to do the trick.
Marry a Swede. Which wouldn't be such a bad thing in the first place.
@@frankvonfrauner No you don't, only a negative test, actually.
@@kamrynloewen6978 a lot of misinformation in these comments, sadly
Yes Sweden did the right thing.
It was mostly in the beginning of the pandemic when many were unsure how to handle it that the big mistakes were made (that is what drove up the death rate), since then it's been doing quite well.
yes they vaccinate the population
@@skellurip what about highly vaccinated countries like Israel and Singapore and still jave huge surge of illnesse ?
Yes! Moved from California to Sweden and super thankful it has been open and free!
Welcome to 🇸🇪
If only I had had the money. I fled California to Alabama. Not sure I bought myself much time. I'm happy for you, though. Happy for anyone that makes it out.
@@SS-yj2le You're offended by John Moving? 😂
@@SS-yj2le ha :D
Love Sweden!
No per capita death figures? Why. Isn’t this what matters
Johns Hopkins has those numbers. Sweden didn't do well. Sweden 144/100k, Norway 16/100k, Finland 19/100k
@@DumbledoreMcCracken But still much better than some other countries with very hard lockdowns, like Belgium, UK and Italy for instance. The number of deaths per 100 k in Sweden is not great, but not terrible either. The country is in the middle of the pack worldwide.
@@Apeshaft you are only allowed to compare Sweden against Norway, not against anyone else otherwise it wouldnt prove their point
@@Apeshaft couple that with Sweden’s low suicide rate, people retaining their jobs, and the economy not crashing. If you look at the overall wellness of this country they did pretty good and will bounce back after the pandemic much faster then locked down countries.
@@AJ-et4zp The point is that they are neighbors, and are semi-isolated on a peninsula, and generically, and in diet, somewhat more alike than other more distant neighbors. I would be embarrassed if I had made your remark.
Finland is 19/100k
has there been any restrictions in Sweden?
Alot of recomended restrictions and also closed things with alot of people's.
Mild, in comparison to the rest of the world.
They don't need them. They are with the globalists who started this.
Closed conferences, closed nightclubs, theatres and city run bathhouses and activity centers for the elderly and alot of regular hospital operations was put on the waiting list to focus on covid patients. Also business owners running restaurants and other service business had to put in limits on hpw many people they could host at their venues etc. Some businesses got hurt alot and some manages to survive.
Also kids sports got put on ice certain periods and in winter 2020 and onwards bars where told to close sooner and sooner.
Also alot of service business had to fo fire people dud to low demand.
First. By law you can't have a forced lockdown in sweden, it's in our constitution. And I've seen people with a face-mask walking outside alone abroad...whats that about? we kept mostly the distance instead. And yes, we could have closed down Sweden in but we should have done it February, but did anyone at that time? Nearly 1 miljon Swedes went in vacation abroad in the middle of February 2020, we have a winter vacation at that time every year, many went to north Italy. In March it was a little too late to stop it like our neighbors had the chance to do. And at least, we had "voluntary" restriction who were prepared to last for years (no-one know that the vaccine should be ready so soon, normally it take several years) we never opened up totally, not even ones until last September when we had reached a vaccination on 70%.
Sweden hasn´t reached a vaccination rate of 70 % just yet. Today (November 5th) Sweden reached 68,2 % fully vaccinated.
US and UK cannot have a lockdown nor can we have a vax mandate if you go by the constitution, but our leaders wiped their butts with ours.
@@donwaters2022 sorry to hear that it breaks the trust between state and the people I think. In our voluntary "lockdown" mostly really stayed home like all of you. But we could go out, if you went to near an other person mostly they told you to keep the distance... sometimes you forgot and that was alright... you said sorry and took a step back. Smiling if the person wasn't too hush. We are in this together... so..
Go Sweden!
They are free because they are sitting right next to davos in this great reset.
What restrictions ?
I guess we'll see if a 65% vaccination rate is enough, as opposed to 70% or 75% vaccination rate in other countries which have dropped restrictions.
They did do well for a country that did not make masks mandatory. Which likely has a cultural aspect. So possibly it's enough.
"They did well" is kind of funny, since that you pretty much can only do worse if they somehow literally recommended or mandated people to spread the disease and to not take vitamins or good nutrition in general. "The train wreck went well for a country that does not have safety regulations for trains."
@@petitio_principii They're sitting at 27th out of the 47 for deaths per captia for EU countries despite little restrictions. Let's not pretend that there was only one way to handle the pandemic. Also that's not even mentioning the wider impacts of certain restrictions.
@@pdcrew2 the only moral way to handle the pandemic are setting policies that slow it down and eventually stop it. That certain countries achieved relatively "good" results despite laxer policies was not because of such laxer policies, but by voluntary adherence to either the same or other practices that slow the spread, with the same situation of one country not being necessarily applicable to another.
Sweden is near the top regarding houses with a single inhabitant, that reduces a lot of potential spread, which is more often between inhabitants of the same house, since they spend more time together, in a closed space. They also had historicaly/recently lower rates than many other countries regarding deaths or hospitalizations from seasonal diseases, which suggests that something cultural or even in regular policies already helps them in ways that are not present in any other random country. Like this very thing of more people living alone, but also possibly more people taking sick leaves under the first suspicion of having catch a cold or flu.
Whatever that may have been the factors behind Sweden's relatively "good" positioning in death count, the highest among neighbors still, it was simply impossible that it was the lack of restriction measures reducing the spread of disease. Lockdowns and the like necessarily reduce the spread, even if countries adopting such measures do not succeed in enforcing them enough or have still higher rates of infection beforehand, that are still end up in high number of deaths and continuing infection during and after a lockdown. No country has reached infection rates that would bring something close to the hypothesized herd immunity, and localities that approached it, like Manaus, Brazil, with about 80% of infection, nevertheless had deadly second waves that were close or worse than the first.
Less Swedes would have died with more restrictive measures, and the economy would have been likely equal or better now, and the mental state of most people would also be better, having lost less relatives.
"Middle America" has some places who proudly brag about being the least vaccinated, the least restrictive, the least masked. They're quickly overtaking coastal cities in deaths and infection rates, despite other epidemiological factors like lower population density being on their side.
@@petitio_principii The morally "good" thing we can do can be hotly debated so I am not going to discuss that here. As for the slow down and stop it part. I think at this point the world has collectively decided that 0 covid is impossible. Places like Singapore have decided to treat it as an endemic. I agree with your statement here. One situation may not translate very well to other countries.
Perhaps those are factors. But unfortunately we can't exactly prove it right now because of the lack of studies. We need robust studies to say "this works, and this doesn't work" otherwise we're just really speculating. For whatever reason the US and UK and other first world countries aren't doing these studies.
It contradicting that you would say "with the same situation of one country not being necessarily applicable to another." but instantly compare Sweden to its' neighbouring country. But sure for the sake of argument lets agree on this point. Would it be unfair to do the same comparison in other countries too? Like for example UK and its' neighbouring countries, or neighbouring states within the US? Also from what I can tell covid outbreaks seem to be more correlated to population size rather than density. I could not find the correlation between population density and outbreak severity last time I checked though I'll be happy to see new info on this.
Most likely yes, fewer Swedes would have died if lockdowns were in place. But Tegnell himself stated that he was treating this as a marathon and not a sprint. And there are many other factors like wider consequences of lockdowns. In countries with strict lockdowns you see riots, protests, loss of trust in institutions, people being treated differently because of their vaccination status, etc. France for example has had weekly protests about vaccine mandates for 4 months straight now. Like I know the French are known for their protests but you have to admit 16+ weeks of protesting about 1 topic is pretty impressive. Also, Sweden records all covid positive cases as covid deaths. Perhaps that might have also influenced their high death count.
As for the economy part, A large part of their economy is from exports. They were going to suffer regardless of what they did. Their economy relied on other countries and whether those countries were economically impacted.
We'll have to wait on more data until we can definitively say "Lockdowns or no lockdowns were the right choice". Anyways I never argued for or against vaccines in my original comment. My comment was about lockdowns.
But sure I can pivot to something else too I guess. From what the recent Bangladesh study, we can conclude that Fauci's comments on masks were somewhat wrong. People who wore cloth masks were all just doing it for safety theatre purposes and didn't do anything for the spread of the virus.
Sweden employed a relaxed approach to Covid as opposed to Portugals declaration of a 'STATE OF CALAMITY'
Result- Sweden and Portugal have the same size populations but Sweden has 3000 less deaths however is berated as having handled the pandemic irresponsibly however Portugal is lauded as a success story for its timely Covid measures..
Portugal is more densely populated and also has a much older population than Sweden. There are a lot of factors to take into account when comparing different countries. Portugal handled the first wave much better than Sweden, but they were hit very hard during last winter (as was Sweden). The same happened in e.g. Czechia, they had a Covid "farewell party" in summer 2020 only to be completely ravaged by covid the following autumn. This was one of the things Swedish authorities warned about, as they referred to the pandemic as a marathon, not a sprint.
@Rick Vis Those are just things people like to throw around. When infact around 70% of Swedens population lives on around 25% of the landmass, i dont know how it looks in Portugal but i would assume it's more spread out because of the simple fact they dont have the Arctic in the north.
wow, a free country, a rarity.
That's what the virus said.....
They didn't fear monger their people into being irrationally scared. Kept their economy and schools open and now they still have trust between people and government. Sweden took the real liberal path, the right path.
Yet, they lost more people, and compared to Norway, a LOT more people per capita. Almost 10 times worse than Norway.
@@DumbledoreMcCracken
Australia have also 10 Times more Dead then their neighbour New Zeeland but I would not say that Australia have many dead.
All come to what country you compare with.
If you compare to 23 other country's in Europe included 2 neighbours country's to Sweden they have less dead per 1M.
But if you compare to Norway that have One of the lowest death per 1M without any hard laws or Long lockdown as many other country's in Europe with higher death per 1M then Sweden then you get a big different as you get between Australia and New Zeeland.
But there is nothing that saying that Sweden would have as low numbers as Norway with the same tactic.
@@henrikl4244 Sweden death rate is 114/100k, Norway is 16/110k, Finland is 19/100k, for the complete pandemic, as per Johns Hopkins.
DumbledoreMcCracken irrelevant. Just because they are neighbours doesn’t mean should have same results regardless of actions. There is no correlation between lockdowns and reduced deaths. It’s very very very clear by all the 30 odd studies done.
@@gazlives you are spreading untruths based on a fantasy. I provided the data, if you have other data provide it, for look the fool you are.
Vote for freedom! Go Sweden!
They did the correct thing people should have the right to choose
Well duh, they have good healthcare service, they can afford to get sick and not die, it's definitely different for other countries.
Judging by how polarized and divisive every other country is right now I say yes they did do the right thing
Did they though?
Yep!
Congratulations on fighting for your freedom! Let the paranoid go and see a psychiatrist. 😵
I’m impressed by how he pronounced his name
YOU ARE OFFICIALLY THE MOST AWSOME PLACE ON THE PLANET!
S.O.S. im an american citizen trapped in america being forced toxic vax.
84% of Swedes are vaccinated, hence why the restrictions were able to be lifted
@@KittenCritters there were never restrictions in the first place. Thats the point of the video.
Masks were never mandated.
@@paccawacca4069 Even if masks were never mandated, there were a lot of restrictions. Like that you have to be seated in a restaurant, that you could only sit 4 people at a table, that you had to have a certain distance between tables, restaurants closed at 8 pm, amusement parks and theatres were closed, only a certain number of people were allowed to gather in the same place (so you couldnt hold for instance a funeral indoors with more than a few people present) and so on.
@@paccawacca4069 We still had restrictions.. Just not a lockdown/mask mandate
@@KittenCritters "84% of Swedes are vaccinated".
84 % of the population _over 16_ have got the first dose, and 79 % of the population over 16 have got the second dose.
Out of the whole population about 66 % is fully vaccinated.
To be fair, it is not like Sweden has a very high number of deaths per million. A lot less than the USA and also below average in Europe.
Compared to his scandinavian neigbours yes, it is very high numbers. Sweden can't be compared to other EU countries because their culture and way of life are different. Compared them with other scandinavian countries and you'll see their actions were to protect the economy not the elderly.
@@peterp4037 Of course you can compare Sweden to other EU countries! Why not. In fact to get an accurate view, you absolutely must, otherwise you just cherry pick data.
@@peterp4037 if I can recall it correctly, the COVID-19 "started" very differently in Sweden compared. Not to argue either way.
Sweden were having the yearly period of weeks during which (depending where in Sweden you live) a week off with traditionally much ski vacation. This was at the time COVID hit the Alps resorts very intensively do we had a nation wide spread in a blunderbuss sorta way.
Testing and tracing were, as in many counties, not even at remotely acceptable levels (we know more more how important after the fact).
It's a common argument her in Sweden that the virus quickly got into our elderly care. "Elderly care" can mean so many different things in many counties depending how your traditions are. Three generation homes are generally not a thing in Sweden but instead elderly no longer able to live alone live in the elderly care homes. So this in turn meant a very non reversible negative impact.
I believe these are the major reasons objected / pointed at when "Sweden compared to the rest of Scandinavia" är done - in a small way a"perfect storm" in terms of timing and effect.
Masks i honestly can't be sure of. I keep seeing people with masks rubbing, itching and touching their face under the masks which can't be good but i think also highlights a long-standing issue in health care that we've improved at but still leaves lots of room for improvements - basic hygiene in health care still need to improve. I think masks are great but seem to need experience in how to behave with one to be as good as we think it is
@@rhynosouris710 No you can't. 40% of swedes live alone. People in sweden don't have so much social interaction compared to more southern countries and sweden is the right hand of davos the WEF. So no it's not fair comparison. They can live normal life because the great reset started in sweden, because they never had to tell the truth.
@@JKS_Crafting Sweden is the epicenter of the great reset. They never had masks and nobody cared, life in sweden has been normal but not because they value freedom but because it's sweden along with norway and switzerland the ones behind the great reset. swedes are not responsible, swedes were free because their country have already implemented many of the great reset measures. Everything else is just theater.
They should have should have…Sweden done the write thing.
Nice hit piece on Sweden. Hindsight is always 20/20. Very disappointed with DW .
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A long look at how countries health decisions to combat Covid-19 will likely be very favorable to countries like Sweden. When you include suicide rates, increased drug usage and overdoses, combined with the severe lock downs most countries used for long term distancing, social creatures (humans)... important considerations will begin to be apparent!
Most people are still working from home in my city. The downtown is still a ghost town. I suppose the federal government is subsidizing the businesses that are just sitting...and we still have rising covid numbers, new variants, etc. It's draining. Sweden got it right with exception of protecting the nursing home residents
@@cookies6455 Sweden did a lot. It just is that if you are from a country or have a warped view of what needs to be done you will not see regulations and recommendations (that are meant to be followed even though it is not law) is nothing. The end result is there in the economist, I can not link it but they have followed excess death per capita from the start of covid. We have among the lowest excess death per capitaof all Europe and lower than Finland.
Restriction or no restriction it would be the same...what expertS should do is to find solution for prevent infections
and how many in sweden got arrested or fined for not wearing a mask ?
0 humans got treated like humans
lets all take example from sweden and not from china
Oxygen theraphy for care homes would have saved lives
I heard a sarcastic joke recently. You know what the biggest down side is of a 2 week hard lock down? - the first 500 days...
Good to see back to life, enjoy your freedom again.
And their socialized healthcare!
I wanna hear from smb who lost their loved ones.
Well done Sweden, you are a great nation
The political opposition has pushed the misconception that the Norwegian and Finnish strategies were much better comparing the death rates.
First of all Norway and Finland has much smaller populations so numbers cant be compared like in this video coverage.
But with comparable numbers that take in account the differences in population the Swedish death rates are much higher though.
There are two explanations for that.
The first is that Sweden has a different structure in the nursing homes for elderly. The private care holders were run with profits as first priority which compromised the safety of the career takers. And the state owned regionally run nursing homes doesn't have a united national policy for crisis like a pandemic. All different regions had different strategies.
The second and most important difference with Norway and Finland is the demographics of these countries compared with Sweden.
Sweden has the most diverse population in Europe due to a large immigration. Sweden also has a wide range of connections abroad not just in private travelers but in trading and business connections through out the world.
While Sweden is the country in Europe that has the most international connections Norway and Finland is the total opposite.
Norway has a very narrow trading tradition relying on basically only salmon and oil exports. These two trade areas doesn't give much spin off effects.
Finland has mainly an export to Russia and the Baltic countries.
Compared to other European countries Sweden has managed to do quite well and has much lower death rates than comparable countries like the UK, France, Spain and Italy for instance. On the other hand Germany and Denmark has performed better than Sweden.
Considering the Swedish strategy, not to lock down the entire society it's has been successful.
As mentioned, the Swedish elderly care system needs to be reformed with a national authority to govern this sector in a more unite manner.
_>_
The absolute population number does'nt matter much, the deaths per million is much worse for Sweden. The result is only "successful" if killing a significant part of the population is an acceptable cost (or goal) for a questionable gain. Sweden was even worse in GDP recovery than countries that managed to save more lives, like its neighbors or New Zealand.
@@petitio_principii - as I pointed out, you can't compare countries with such significantly different demography and business markets.
It's just a politically driven narrative you want to compare Sweden with countries like New Zealand, Norway and Finland.
Apples and pears.
@@acke26 you left one out. The third and I'd argue more consequential factor was the 'dry tinder' Sweden had accumulated over the past three flu seasons. Unlike its Nordic neighbours, Sweden was fortunate enough to avoid exceeding excess deaths three years consecutively. In fact, each of the 3 years were significantly below the five year moving average, meaning there was a large build up of vulnerable population that were essentially sitting ducks for an aggressive virus. A lot of other regions around the world, (ncluding the UK and NY) who experienced an unusually larger mortality rate had similar patterns in their excess deaths.
I agree with your other points though. If you look at the deaths per million across Europe, Sweden faired 13th out of 31 countries. (1st being least amount of deaths) and I've been checking in on that data semi regularly and if anything Sweden has been slowly climbing that list as this pandemic plays out, which only vindicates their strategy, playing the long game rather than this on and off suppression through harmful lockdowns. They always maintained they would receive a more deaths this strategy, that is a reality of life. There are plenty of risks we as a society have chosen to live with including the seasonal flu which actually has 3 times worse outcomes for children but we've never considered locking down over it. It's a cost benefits analysis and they didn't believe the impact of lockdowns were going to be worth it. Measuring Sweden's less restrictive response to covid was never about having the least number of deaths. A lot of ppl tend to miss the point here. They were up front about that from the start. It was always about trying to mitigate the impact of the virus and the impact of restrictions, both simultaneously. Some ppl want to use the fact that it wasn't as successful as other European countries. It never claimed it would be! The fact that the only country in the EU that didn't impose harsh lockdowns and mask mandates currently stands at 13th for lowest mortality rate (18 countries had worse outcomes) says that there is no evidence that these other lockdowns had any impact. As Sweden is the control group in this real world data analysis and if you had hypothesised that lockdowns have no significant impact on the spread of the virus, you would anticipate them to be roughly in the middle of that list, reinforcing the lack of negative or positive outcomes.
The higher Sweden is on that list of EU countries, the more the evidence of lockdowns actually having the reverse effect with negative outcomes of the spread. I don't think anyone is claiming that to my knowledge. The claim has always been that lockdowns have NO significant impact. 13 out of 32 countries corroborates that
@@aaronmcdonaldful - thanks for your reply. Your input is very interesting and I totally agree.
I didn't know the Swedish average death rates concerning flu and seasonal viruses was on a three years low prior to the covid-19 outbreak.
Off course it affects the both the immunology of the population and the statistics for covid-19.
During the last waves it was some delayed from Europe that could be the case now also. Right? Not with elderly homes :/ but with open schools and no masks? Yes.
Hi DW News, While there is no doubt that what they did in Sweden was much less damaging than most other western democracies, while none of the non medical interventions ever had any good effect anywhere the collateral damage is horrendous.
Where they really failed was in the conspicuous lack of effective preparation, there are a number of public health interventions that can be effective if applied in time, to do this all the infrastructure to support those efforts has to be in place before any disease arrives, thus it can be possible to intercept infected travellers before they can enter their home territory and start community spread. To start with this requires all ports of entry to have permanent health service monitors ready willing and able to handle the volume of traffic, when this sort of thing is done and done internationally the early warning systems that can be developed should make it possible to limit the intake and spread of infected people enough to prevent epidemic spread, as far as local community spread is concerned similar preparations can be made they also have to be a familiar part of community life and can only work within communities with active outbreaks supported but not controlled by central government. Small local health care clinics would be needed and they have to be staffed with qualified people all the time! we cannot wait until an infectious disease arrives!.
There are also a number of ways in which firstly the most vulnerable people can be identified secondly the resources must be available to provide them with effective 'protection', in the most extreme situations this could imply restrictions on the movement of infected people, there is and never can be any justification for restricting the movement of uninfected people certainly not just because infected people are difficult to identify.
The last part of the equation has to be the provision of adequate accommodation for people that have been recently exposed and also those actually infected, they need to be kept apart from each other and the general population until clear of infectiousness. Telling them just to stay at home is just plain silly!. The ones that actually are infectious will spread it more if shut in with family members!.
You might have noticed that in this essay I have made no mention of testing for infection, it does not have any significant bearing on the effective control measures outlined above, we do not need to know if people have actually been exposed and are infected!, the short term quarantine measures can be applied to all that come from territories with ongoing outbreaks!, the ones that fall ill can be moved to safer accommodation before they start being infectious only those with actual symptoms can ever infect anyone!.
There is some reason to accept that some travellers can carry droplets of infectious materials but good personal hygiene should deal with that.
The other things I did not mention were mask wearing and 'social distancing' such utter red herrings that they are not worthy of further comment!.
There is just one other factor of relevance, economic cast, since the only ways to prevent epidemics are as outlined above and they have to be operational all the time to work when needed there is zero additional cost incurred!, since all hotels have to be carefully regulated and much international travel at least delayed the cost of extra accommodation is also negligible, I see no reason at all why the travel and leisure industry should not bear the entire cost!.
Cheers Richard.
And how many deaths have lockdowns caused? In the UK 60,000 extra died compared to the year before that was not diagnosed with Covid. They will probably also have a less severe winter now compared to other nations who locked down. In the UK they expect to have 70,000 deaths from flu alone in the coming winter.
I worked in Lund Sweden for several years including the first covid year. So many companies completely closed their offices and all others reduced ppl. on-site. It's true nobody used masks even when Denmark started to. Germany still does, while Denmark stopped a while ago.
Love Sweden
Like Australia if they managed to protect the old folks homes they’d never have been in the news at all. 90% of deaths in Sweden were aged 70+. 600 old people died in Victoria alone, so that’s 50% of deaths. Why aren’t we talking about solving the care home problem??!??? We still act like it kills the kids.