Back in 2015 when ev's started to arrive and people laughed thinking they were sticking it to the oilman, I was laughed at first saying that, eventually, they are going to start charging ev drivers a tax to make up for lost fuel tax revenue which helps build our roads. Now here we are 😊
It’s adorable that EV fans haven’t realized the obvious truth that if you’re not paying gas tax at the pump then the govnt is going to get that tax revenue in a different way. Welcome to the real world where actions have consequences!
@@MrJohnthefarmer I don’t hate them. But I support paying for what you use. If what you are doing is creating a surge in demand for better electricity grid infrastructure, then you need to pay for that. If I’m paying a carbon tax on every litre of fuel I use, you need to pay for the infrastructure supporting your vehicle.
That’s not a likeable response. The main purpose is the fact there is no tax added onto the energy cost to help with road costs. 200 bucks is pretty cheap compared to what a driver of a full sized truck or high end suv would dish out.
@@TripReviewsBut it still isn’t comparable to a gas powered vehicle. It should be the same for all modes of transport. Any truck over 3500 kgs in ALberta pays 45 cents a KG when they register those trucks. So about 4700 dollars a YEAR more than other vehicles and EV’s pay 200? Cmon a mileage tax NOW!
@@kennordsfan1494 that’s a lot of $$$$ for a larger vehicle. As you said there should be a fair system applied. Ev owners thought they were getting away with saving money but eventually the system will catch up. I’m not in Alberta, I don’t believe Ontario has any additional tax for electric….yet.
You mean a clash between a premier and 21st century reality. Give us transparency and maybe it'll be fine because Albertan roads are already poorly maintained and underfunded with whatever taxes they put towards it. @@rishabgaba8586
Considering the taxes collected don't come anywhere close to covering the cost of road maintenance, even the gas guzzlers aren't paying their share. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
😂For the saving on fuel while the alberta goverment trying to diminishing the advantage of EV. That is far from sufficent. Ev doesnt need as much maintenance. So there is big chunk of sales tax on maintenance activity gone. So are the spare part.
The gas tax is not used for public road maintenance. It goes into the government's pocket to be used for their programs and legislative meeting and becomes the multimillion dollar salary and bonuses for their employees to pass these taxes for us. Raof maintenance comes from property taxes. No matter what you drive, they will tax you for an excuse anyway. We North Americans are the most naive and enslaved nations on the planet
@wanderingquestions7501, my question is, why aren't they also paying an additional "hazard tax" given their vehicles may have THOUSANDS of lithium battery cells which is a toxic material and in the event of an accident, not only the obvious risk of the vehicle battery bursting into flames releasing toxic smoke but even if it doesn't the toxic lithium itself spilling into the environment and I've never heard any discussion at all on how they, "dispose of unusable batteries."
The problem with the “penny a kilometer” idea is that it would require that the government have access to your odometer, and if they have access to that, they will have access to all the data in your car’s computer. They won’t monitor other parameters (such as how hard you accelerate or brake, or the hours of the day when you are driving) AT FIRST, but it will be too irresistible for them to not eventually begin restricting and taxing those parameters also (it’s called “mission creep”)
@bigedslobotomy, in the U.S. there are insurance companies who've been "offering" their insured customers "special discounts" IF they allow them to install a device to "monitor their driving habits" and claim, "If you show us how safely you drive, we'll give you discounts on your premiums!" And I'm thinking, yea how about you give customers discounts because we've been driving, 20, 30, 40, 50+ years without a single accident nor citation thereby PROVING how safely we drive! It's absolute BS! I'd NEVER willingly allow these scumbags to do that.
Outrage about this tax is kind of making a mountain out of a molehill. The government is right. The gas tax is used for road maintenance. EV drivers don't buy gasoline, so they don't pay the gas tax. They need to pay something. Is $200 the correct amount? Not sure, but let's let the auditors figure that. The idea itself is sensible.
No the government is wrong, fair way to do it is to removed any gas taxes and have either a flat fee for all the cars or based on the mileage driven or weight of the car or a combination of these factors. So there isn't any incentive to buy or not to buy electric versus gasoline car other than the cost to drive.
$200 p/year is cheaper than the taxes paid yearly using gas. Charging a penny/km still works in an EV owner’s favour as governments will not remove taxes charged on fossil fuels Therefore, ICE vehicles will have to pay an additional charge which of course will increase.
@@TB-up4xi : 9 cents/L X approx 50L X approx 52 fills/year = $234 not including provincial taxes (13 cents/L in Alberta) + PST in the rest of the country. There is no fuel tax for EV’s
@@TB-up4xi That is in correct, the total gas tax is 44 cents a litre and all regions get funding from the gas tax maybe 30% if we are lucky. EV’s used the same roads an are heavier there thr same tax is needed. A mileage tax is the only fair way to keep the playing field level.
@dougbingham1085, lol.... It's like calling "911" and having to listen to an IVR, "Thank you for calling your 911 emergency services provider. Please listen carefully to the following instructions as our menu options have changed. If you are currently experiencing imminent danger, please press 1.... :: presses 1 :: You have indicated that you are in imminent danger! We are sorry, all of our emergency response operators are currently assisting other callers experiencing imminent danger! Please do not hang up as calls are handled in the order in which they are received...."🤣🤣🤣
Watching to see how the tax will be slowly increasing over the years. I remember a temporary tax added for gasoline. I was young and told my older co workers, "But it is only a temporary tax." My older and wiser co workers stated, "Ever seen a TEMPORARY tax?" I'm retired now, and the "TEMPORARY" tax is still with us, and has even gone up over the years.
We have the same thing in Australia. There was a "temporary" tax added to our fuel to help pay for a massive tax evasion bill some rich guy had years ago. It was only meant to be there for a year or so, but we're still paying that extra tax a couple of decades later. (It's bewildering why drivers were/are stuck paying that person's tax, too.)
well how about we just get rid of tax credits for having kids. people need to stop relying on the government for helping raise their kids!@@larrybruce4856
That's a socialist's answer. The solution to this inequity is not more taxes for EV owners, but less taxes for gasoline car owners. Albertans currently pay a 10 cent/L federal excise tax, a 9 cent/L provincial excise tax, a 14.31 cent/L federal carbon tax, and a 5% goods and services tax. Plus you have to pay for that with your income, which is already heavily taxed. Canadians from coast to coast are suffocating under heavy taxation. The solution is to eliminate taxes, not to increase them. Remember that EV owners are not the enemy. They're not the ones trying to get rid of gasoline cars; it's the government who's doing that.
@@chags3512 Things get paid by people who make money, not those who steal it. That's what a free market is all about. Even roads were not always publicly owned.
@@chags3512 That's the whole point. You don't force anyone to pay for things. That's theft. There are plenty of people and organizations who are incentivized to pay for roads, including vehicle manufacturers, businesses that need you to have access to their shops, and drivers themselves. Finding the money won't be a problem without the state's forceful involvement. Also, rich men help the poor get richer by offering them jobs. The more you tax them, the more expensive their products, the lower their revenue, the lower your potential income, and the lower everyone's purchasing power. It's a bad vicious circle. Yes, the government offers services with the money they steal, but that's no justification for theft. And even if it were, a lot of that stolen money is wasted on bureaucracy and bad investments that would run a legitimate company out of business, and the rest of that money tends to be poorly managed. In the end, you end up paying more for everything, unless you choose a parasitic lifestyle, where you consume the services provided "for free" by the state, without producing anything substantial that the government could steal from you.
I've been saying something very similar about bike riders. They're taking away car lanes to make bike lanes and they don't pay a red cent in taxes. And ( in Canada) who rides bikes in the snow? So less car lanes and the ones designated for bikes cant be used year round. And who pays for the roads?
As a dentist working in Canada and riding his bike to work some days I can assure you I'm paying more than a red cent in taxes whilst also doing almost negligible road damage compared to when I drive. I agree riding a bike to work in the snow is not feasible in a professional work setting, however we have a lot of rideable days during the year. We should promote cycling, making the average citizen healthier (less burden on our healthcare system both financially and with respect to volume of patients if we can minimize cardiovascular and diabetic complications early by exercise) as well as less damage to our roads (less finances needed to repair/maintain).
@@tonytangianu3482 I pay road tax whenI use my car (on the days I'm not able to bike to work) and my income tax is higher than the average meaning I'm paying proportionally more towards road infrastructure.
@@jakemartinez6894 so someone riding a bike will lower peoples taxes ? How exactly would that happen? Just like a carbon tax that will lower CO2 ( plant food ) instead of ending up in some thieving politicians pockets I suppose.
It is no where enough, why should taxpayers subsidize other drivers. If you want to drive an EV pay your share, don't ask me to give you a credit to buy your car and free roads.
A person living a healthy lifestyle could argue that people who chooses to live an unhealthy lifestyle should pay more for their medicare. Why government subsidize oil industry when some people don't drive.
@@Trust_but_Verifyyes our government subsidizes oil, and just because one doesn’t drive doesn’t mean that they don’t use the oil, it’s in plastics to clothing..
Something has to be said here but I’m not sure if I’m right, so please chime in if you know more. Back in the Notley days, I believe the fuel tax, designated for roads, was moved into “general revenue” for use in other “green initiatives”. And, more recently I read somewhere that the current government still does not use road tax for roads. Does that mean that the ev road tax is magically going towards roads or is it just another tax for general revenue?
I've read several reports that say it goes to general revenue in Alberta. Saskatchewan it goes towards roads. In the US it goes towards roads. Based on the potholes I see in Montreal I would say none goes towards roads there. :)
@@user-jh6vt8vx4vYou want to rethink that statement? EV's...reliant on computer chips...wherever you drive it is known where you are (GPS anyone?)...easy to track the mileage. Tell me you are a Turdeau supporter without telling me that.
@@user-jh6vt8vx4v , I live in the States so I'm not sure how things are done in Canada but we pay tax based upon "every gallon of fuel we purchase", so why wouldn't it just make sense for A-EV's to be taxed for every kWh of charge?! Given A-EV's may require 30-60 kWh's for a full charge, then that's similar to "ICE" vehicles with 10-20+ gallons of fuel. They can simply adjust the tax appropriately for the higher range of the kWh. In the States we have gasoline taxes ranging from just under 15 cents per gallon to nearly 70 cents per gallon.
We been paying this road improvement tax for years. It is included on every gallon now liter of gas you buy. EV owners are not paying for the road improvement tax.
@@SBMAN123everyone pays for electricity. What OP was saying is they ain’t putting gas in EVs therefore they ain’t contributing to the condition of the roads yet they use the roads with people who do pay taxes on gas.
@@neednewPM think about what you just said. Do I really gotta do the math for you? People with EVs are paying for way more electricity, you do know you don't recharge a Tesla to full for pennies right? It costs close to $20 to fully recharge a Tesla every time. So while your electric bill might be $200, EV owners might be $500 or more, so they contribute their fair share in taxes, not as much as a gas vehicle but it's not like they are just driving around for free
And gas users pay every week to fill up. I pay 150 a week to fill up and 150 for my electricity a month do the math smart guy. Tell me who pays more. Paying 20 bucks to go 400 clicks n you complaining. Don’t drive then. Also electricity and gas taxes are different. If they were one and the same it would’ve been affected by the carbon tax.
@@neednewPM I'm saying that the whole point of EV is you save on gas, this $200 tax aint much now sure, but you don't think they gonna raise it? it will be $400 one day, $1000 one day, $5000 one day, and they will raise it as much as they can, to the point where the savings won't be worth it. You give Govt an inch and they will take a mile.
They did this in the state of Victoria here in Australia. Fuel tax is by the Federal Govt not the state Govts. A group of EV drivers took the state to the Supreme court who won, with the court finding it was unconstitutional for states to charge a Federal tax.
I looked it up, because it seemed a bit weird, but they're right. Section 90 of the Australian constitution forbids states from imposing "duties of customs or of excise,..." with pre-existing taxes from before the 13th of June 1898 still being in place. The court case relied on their interpretation of "excise". For that, Oxford dictionary is very clear: "excise1 /"EksVIz/ · n. a tax levied on certain goods and commodities and on licences granted for certain activities." So the additional tax for EVs would fall under "a tax levied on certain goods".
we don't understand why if you want to make a great day of travel why you would put yourself on a timer then have to stop for 2 hrs to plug in to get to drive again. I can do 19 hrs a day driving from ont on the way to alberta we only need to stop for gas
Virtue signalling pretty much covers the extra tasking & planning EV owners inflict upon themselves. It's a self righteous "in order to save the planet" thing for them.
On one end, you have provinces providing incentives to get you in an EV, on the other you have provinces charging you an extra tax. So this tax is mostly a way to discourage EVs and get you in an ICE to buy more gas.
Alberta have no ev rebate program, ev owners basically paid upfront for trying to be environmentally conscious also supports new innovations. (Don’t tell me ev also cause pollution most of the material is already 100% recyclable, from battery to components to body frame, Teslas battery end up become home battery and laptop battery after recycling, Canada just isn’t capable to have recycling factory being build or up to global standards, our rich billionaire are well feed and not thinking much okay with ripping Canadians off while American rich people makes 5x the revenue and innovates. Their retirement account and 401k up by whopping 20-30% minimum while Canada probably up by 15% that 15% might of been because Canadians are the largest foreign stock owner with tfsa, mostly buying and holding American stocks the reason why it’s still polluting it’s because our energy sector still uses oil, some of the cars never ended up being recycled just sits in landfill and polluting our lands. Some of the statistics are insanely misleading especially when being picked and choose by auditors getting paid by oil lobby, truly disgusting
@@freeflowtrader It takes 100 tons of mined ore to create one electric vehicle battery....The pollution to create the electric vehicle battery is more than the pollution to create an ICE vehicle...Perhaps you should do your research before commenting. Look at whats involved with creating all these EV batteries and the industry it has created now with mining for those ores in 3rd world countries. Also electric vehicles run on electricity that is created by power plants via fossil fuels (majority of our power still does not come from renewable sources) So is buying and driving an EV vehicle really enviromentally friendly?
I think that's too high. I'm seeing 30,000 pound lithium ore, 5000 pounds cobalt ore and 25000 pounds of copper. So 60,000 pounds total. At 2000 pounds per ton then that is 30 tons of ore That was just a Google. Do share your source. In addition, batteries should be recycled. So in future it should be a closed loop. Clearly, though it is something needing to be managed. I'm not in any way making light of the issue.
@@user-cf9pr4kw7p oh please, we can do a simple emission standard of electric car vs engine car, average battery life cycle of Tesla is 300k-500k miles let’s use something more modest a 300k miles life cycle, then we compared to an average Honda civics which spews 0.36pound of emission per mile, hey suv and pick up might be double of that. After 300k miles we have 108,000 pound of co2 produced. It only takes 10k pound of co2 to produce a model 3 battery. Then there’s the power composition, it’s about sectoral developments, no clean sector no transition, we sorta just sits in oil and breathing in all the gasoline, average energy per capita for Canada is 52k kWh while USA is 48k kWh, are we in need for world domination that requires us to use that much energy? it’s obvious electric car cost probably twice or even three times as much compared to engine car but what makes the difference is second pollution, I’m pretty sure all the steam spewing from pipes also helps environment. don’t tell me people buys engine car and decide it’s only going to drive it for 500km for rest of its life. Have common sense. In terms of mining Canada never gets to decide where to mine or how products should be made, this is all china and United States, in Canada we don’t have people that can decide things we have these lapdogs celebrating oil or celebrating electric on which ever side but generally really uninformed on the subject matter and have tendencies to spread misinformation just because they’re uneducated. Not you tho, it’s the crowds that drags Canada down alongside with the Canadian government. Trudeau government and truckers, what a work of art, miracle time we live in. Don’t get me wrong person on the other side is more of an embarrassment. The guy couldn’t shake off Pornhub image and have to hop on these Trudeau trying to cover up for Chinese virologists misinformation bandwagon, then again methods or how appropriate action are done Trudeau probably did something wrong. What’s next? Canada helps China spread covid with virus studies? This is kind of mess we’re in. These people on the internet simply don’t care. I’m pretty sure African mines where kids standing in toxic water with no safety equipment trying to get cobalt is still a thing somewhere, much like how some oil rig workers gets cancer because they’re exposed to petroleum all the time. The key is proper equipment for safety measures, when things are being dug up from the ground, most of the methods are dangerous and polluting, clean oil, think about that, that was meant to be funny, also fracking creates more earthquakes than it should, whichever cost more damage afterwards I think it’s pretty clear, the problem is just way of life, you don’t buy them kids in Africa wouldn’t have to be barefoot in toxic water trying to mine cobalts, you don’t buy cars at all some of the nation probably will never have people dying from extreme hurricane and climate disaster. Also does people on the internet deserve to have another person informing them? No, fk them.
200 a year is miniscule, it should be per km at renewal. Ice engines pay approx 33% tax per liter. 1.47 is approx 50 cents tax. Let's say 15000km a year and 10l/100km @ 1.4 per litre is approximately $2100 a year in fuel 1/3 of that is tax so $700 based on these numbers. I have not taken into account the tax on electricity but that does not go towards the roads. Having said all this, I also don't know what percentage of fuel tax goes to the roads coffers.
Sounds about right. They need to pay electric tax on charge up for burdening the power grid, and gas tax if the electricity is produced from fossil fuels. And also more insurance premiums due to spontaneous fire and lose of control on roads. And also new tax towards building new charging stations.
@@ledzeppelin1212 Not much is going to change with Neo-liberals and Conservatives in power, as they really have no interest in fiscal responsibility. Nothing fiscal about relatively crumb-like benefits for the little people while making more of them pay more dollars into a system that feeds monopolisitic outfits and socializes the failures and losses of big corporations through a corrupt tax regime. This has little resemblance of capitalism let alone real competition. What’s fiscal about allowing freeloaders - freeloaders that never admit they are freeloaders when they know they need corporate socialism to be functional? What’s fiscal about supporting policies that keep the status quo of capitalism no longer exploiting innovations and markets, but exploiting suppliers, customers and workers draining broad prosperity at the tax payers’ expense? What’s fiscal about reducing competitive advantage that hurts small businesses with policies that increase monopolistic outfits, which limits real capitalistic competition? Modern Conservatism has nothing to do with less spending, smaller government, or fiscal responsibility." That's just old rhetoric to manipulate perceptions. It has never matched nor delivered its rhetoric of fiscal responsibility and this has been ever increasingly visible in the 21st century.
My Dad called this a long time ago. Somehow they have to make up the amounts of being lost. Id imagine as more people drive EVs the amount collected will increase, probably as people charge their cars, just like gas. Just add it into the charging fee. The more things change, the more they stay the same.
The classification of energy source, processes, on a long term, and that they are not EXEMPT, since this is where FUNDING COMES designed for Employers, Employees, Customers, Suppliers and Businesses, and LOYALTY CARDS, that encourages accountability in RECORD KEEPING. IMPORTANT******
Let the blind sheep EV owners suffer those consequences and pay the tax too. Then maybe they’ll stop buying overpriced EVs so manufacturers start making cheaper ones that everyone can afford
This is common sense and has been expected by most foresighted people. Everybody needs to pay their fair share (for maintaining the infrastructure). You can be sure it will come to the US soon too.
It doesn't make sense to compare electric cars to ice trucks and say that ice trucks are heavier. Of course they're heavier, they're trucks, they're bigger, they weigh more. Why not compare electric trucks to ice trucks and see what happens ... the electric trucks are always heavier than ice trucks because of the battery pack that ALL EVs have onboard. Jeeez, why not just compare an electric CAR to an ice semi already, then sure, the semi is way heavier. In any case it was always obvious that EV owners didn't pay gas tax for road maintenance and that sooner or later they'd have to pony up the money one way or another. You can't be an EV owner and be surprised by this, owning an EV isn't an automatic " pass " on road tax forever, it was never going to be that way.
my local electric utilities(county-owned/operate) has just increased the electric rate by 4.7 percent. They are blaming it on increased number of full electric vehicles.(plus the fact that my area's grid is at near full capacity and they have to buy electricity from neighboring power companies) According to my friend who is an accountant at the utilities company, they have no way of increasing electricity supplies and expect the sharp increase in EV to help boost electricity by as much as 20 to 30 percent within the next 8 years.(more after that when the US mandates that all new cars are EV only) In other words, everybody pays.... :(
Big advocate of EVs but the roads have to be maintained. Not sure how a per mile tax works from a privacy perspective but that does seem a fair methodology.
Bottom line is that what is being pumped into the atmosphere represents an enormous technical debt, which is much much more than all the tax expenditures and all the subsidies by all countries to wind and solar energy and EVs.
Why not have a 'road user charge' type of system like they have for Diesels here in New Zealand. It's fairer as it's based on vehicle weight and distance driven annually.
This is hilarious! How many years have they been not paying for road repairs. Plus, if you can afford a EV you can afford the taxes! In other words, you wanna play, you pay.
BTW it DOESN'T MATTER what is the CURB Wright/GVWR of an electric vehicle. It matters what is coming out from it while it drives around in cities, driving by schools, playgrounds, sidewalks. We suppose to focus on tail pipe emission: BEVs are emitting ZERO GHG locallay, BUT old diesel pickup trucks, transit buses, heavy trucks and straight-piped V8 sportscar are emitting a lot of CO2, NOx and soot. And guess what: you and you loved ones filter the toxic particles out of the air with your lungs. (Yes, I know, Earth's beautiful flora try to keep up with GHG, but they're losing.)
The problem is those are private chargers. Not to mention people like me mostly charge at home so the government can't see what I'm doing and thus can't tax me. It's a very sticky situation. But I'm ok paying $200 considering what some other regions charge EV owners.
It should be done on milage driven just like ice drivers pay more tax for more miles driven. Kentucy passed legislation to add addition charging tax and additional registration tax . Five other states also working on similar legislation.
No sympathy for the simps. Should be a registrastion tax, an insurance tax, a road tax, tire tax, electric grid useage tax, and a minority tax on all electric vehicles in Alberta. All that money can be pooled and used to pay for mental health care for everyone who bought/buys and electric vehical in Alberta
after running 5 800W electric heaters for 2 weeks and turning 2 off for 12 hours in the daytime, when my gas furnace went out and got a $400 electric bill I think I'll stay away from anything large that runs on electricity. needless to say i was shocked
That's actually pretty cheap for that amount of electricity usage at least compared with California's rates. EV uses about 300 watt hours per mile compared with 1300 watt hours per mile equivalent for the average gasoline powered vehicle.
That amount of electricity (1,075 kwh) would have given you more than 3,500 miles (6,000 km), how much would it have cost to fuel your ICE to travel that distance. BTW 37c per kwh seems expensive much more than the home cost of EV charging in the UK (my offpeak EV rate is 7.5p kw/hr around 14 Canadian cents)
@@kcebliks Well you're basing his electric utility bill entirely on his heating but he's obviously got a baseline usage so his electric bill is likely half of that normally in the winter.
@@rethinker167 month and a half ago and our grid almost crashed because the renewables quite working and Alberta almost went black. It's minus 25 today .
In the Vancouver area, 43 cents/ litre of gasoline in taxes..+ gst….40 lite tank on small suv equates to roughly $16.00 in tax per fill…one fill every second week. 26 x $16.00= $416..per year….I WOULD say $200 is fair.
This has nothing to do with the few billionaires that maintain their fortunes through a fossil fueled economy. This tax is applied towards Fiat 500E units at 3100 pounds through some that approach 10,000 pounds.
Add in the cost of maintenance and damages to the subsidized electrical grid and charging stations often demanded as free by EV drivers. I, and a couple of other businesses in my community own EV chargers and have been generous in allowing people to use them for free. The incoming number of users expanded exponentially and so many just dropped the cords and receptacle on the ground when finished charging. The damages have been expensive. I and another local business owner now have turned the charger off and offer it “upon appointment” only.
$200 is cheap compared to the fuel taxes. I predicted this years ago...but I thought it wouldn't happen until electric vehicles were numerous enough have an impact on fuel tax revenue. Glad to see that Alberta is getting out in front.
It's interesting that a Tesla weighs, 5390 lbs whereas a 55 Cadillac land yacht one of the largest American cars of all time weighed, 4630 lbs, or 800 lbs less than a Tesla, think about that for a second!
Back in 2015 when ev's started to arrive and people laughed thinking they were sticking it to the oilman, I was laughed at first saying that, eventually, they are going to start charging ev drivers a tax to make up for lost fuel tax revenue which helps build our roads. Now here we are 😊
yup anyone with more then 1/2 a brain cell knew they would be special tax on them. Gov will find a way to get the $$$$
Lol im not surprised either, knew there was a catch to it, there's always a catch to things
100% in agreement: I was making the same argument over 5 years ago.
They should do the same with the e bikes... these fkers use way too much roads without pedaling for it...
It’s adorable that EV fans haven’t realized the obvious truth that if you’re not paying gas tax at the pump then the govnt is going to get that tax revenue in a different way. Welcome to the real world where actions have consequences!
Coming soon. New tax to support the electric grid to charge them cars.
Tax is already in place. HST
EV owners should be paying an additional surcharge to make improvements to the electricity grid infrastructure. You need to pay for what you’re using.
@@chadinontario3910 why an extra surcharge? Because you hate electric vehicles?
Gas stations aren't supported by a tax, why should EV chargers be?
@@MrJohnthefarmer I don’t hate them. But I support paying for what you use. If what you are doing is creating a surge in demand for better electricity grid infrastructure, then you need to pay for that. If I’m paying a carbon tax on every litre of fuel I use, you need to pay for the infrastructure supporting your vehicle.
Sounds like the bigger people should pay more when flying on a plane as well
this
100000% way more cause of pollution etc
That’s not a likeable response. The main purpose is the fact there is no tax added onto the energy cost to help with road costs. 200 bucks is pretty cheap compared to what a driver of a full sized truck or high end suv would dish out.
@@TripReviewsBut it still isn’t comparable to a gas powered vehicle. It should be the same for all modes of transport. Any truck over 3500 kgs in ALberta pays 45 cents a KG when they register those trucks. So about 4700 dollars a YEAR more than other vehicles and EV’s pay 200? Cmon a mileage tax NOW!
@@kennordsfan1494 that’s a lot of $$$$ for a larger vehicle. As you said there should be a fair system applied. Ev owners thought they were getting away with saving money but eventually the system will catch up. I’m not in Alberta, I don’t believe Ontario has any additional tax for electric….yet.
They use the roads they need to pay their share as well. Seems pretty simple.
get out of here
It's more of a ego clash btw premier and PM
You mean a clash between a premier and 21st century reality.
Give us transparency and maybe it'll be fine because Albertan roads are already poorly maintained and underfunded with whatever taxes they put towards it.
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@@dwights1024
Pay up
Considering the taxes collected don't come anywhere close to covering the cost of road maintenance, even the gas guzzlers aren't paying their share. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I called this years ago. There's no way the govt wasn't going to find a way to get those taxes back.
Sounds too cheap to me
😂For the saving on fuel while the alberta goverment trying to diminishing the advantage of EV. That is far from sufficent. Ev doesnt need as much maintenance. So there is big chunk of sales tax on maintenance activity gone. So are the spare part.
Ok goof 😂
Considering the substantial subsidies that they have to make it “ affordable “ to charge the car
It should be a lot more!
They wear down the roads more with their heavy batteries. The tax should be more!!
in Tennessee, it's 200 dollar registration fee every year for EVs. my ICE car is 54 dollars
$54 plus whatever tax you pay when buying gas.
@@ledzeppelin1212 LOL, OP forgot about that.
@@ledzeppelin1212 yeah, because electricity is tax free, right?
@@alanjm1234 Probably not. But most likely "road tax" free.
I live in Australia my yearly registration fee is 900 for my regular ice vehicle. I wish it was 200
They share the public road. That’s their share of the cost of infrastructure we all pay for.
Yep exactly. Was wondering when the taxman will come for them.
The gas tax is not used for public road maintenance. It goes into the government's pocket to be used for their programs and legislative meeting and becomes the multimillion dollar salary and bonuses for their employees to pass these taxes for us. Raof maintenance comes from property taxes. No matter what you drive, they will tax you for an excuse anyway. We North Americans are the most naive and enslaved nations on the planet
They pay taxes like everyone else - if anything larger trucks should be paying more for more damage to roads. That's what the province says anyways.
as a bicycle commuter and someone who does not own a car pay more for streets and roads
@wanderingquestions7501, my question is, why aren't they also paying an additional "hazard tax" given their vehicles may have THOUSANDS of lithium battery cells which is a toxic material and in the event of an accident, not only the obvious risk of the vehicle battery bursting into flames releasing toxic smoke but even if it doesn't the toxic lithium itself spilling into the environment and I've never heard any discussion at all on how they, "dispose of unusable batteries."
The problem with the “penny a kilometer” idea is that it would require that the government have access to your odometer, and if they have access to that, they will have access to all the data in your car’s computer. They won’t monitor other parameters (such as how hard you accelerate or brake, or the hours of the day when you are driving) AT FIRST, but it will be too irresistible for them to not eventually begin restricting and taxing those parameters also (it’s called “mission creep”)
I do not own a car I cycle and walk and use a paper map
With you on that one, I keep a map and flash light in my lunch box@@scruf153
Government already knows, more than you think, and shares that information.
They already do.
@bigedslobotomy, in the U.S. there are insurance companies who've been "offering" their insured customers "special discounts" IF they allow them to install a device to "monitor their driving habits" and claim, "If you show us how safely you drive, we'll give you discounts on your premiums!" And I'm thinking, yea how about you give customers discounts because we've been driving, 20, 30, 40, 50+ years without a single accident nor citation thereby PROVING how safely we drive! It's absolute BS! I'd NEVER willingly allow these scumbags to do that.
Outrage about this tax is kind of making a mountain out of a molehill. The government is right. The gas tax is used for road maintenance. EV drivers don't buy gasoline, so they don't pay the gas tax. They need to pay something. Is $200 the correct amount? Not sure, but let's let the auditors figure that. The idea itself is sensible.
The government is right 😂
@@peterkarv2845 Alberta may be pretty broken, but even a broken clock is right twice a day.
Agree but if $0.01 per km is equivalent to the tax on gas then let's do that and take the tax off gas.
No the government is wrong, fair way to do it is to removed any gas taxes and have either a flat fee for all the cars or based on the mileage driven or weight of the car or a combination of these factors. So there isn't any incentive to buy or not to buy electric versus gasoline car other than the cost to drive.
@@jayak3768 💯
Electric vehicle owners never complained about the rebates they were given. Jigs up, pay up.
Yes it's rob the poor to pay the riches.
That's because they paid into that rebate. Just like everyone else
No one complains about rebates, rocket. They are called incentives that are now being taxed. 😂
@@Demobot1Brilliant reply.
@@chrisfournier6144it is.
If you want to drive on the roads then pay your fair share
$200 p/year is cheaper than the taxes paid yearly using gas.
Charging a penny/km still works in an EV owner’s favour as governments will not remove taxes charged on fossil fuels
Therefore, ICE vehicles will have to pay an additional charge which of course will increase.
Gas tax is only 9c per liter. 25000 km per year and 8l per 100km equals $180 in gas tax.
@@TB-up4xi : 9 cents/L X approx 50L X approx 52 fills/year = $234 not including provincial taxes (13 cents/L in Alberta) + PST in the rest of the country.
There is no fuel tax for EV’s
@@TB-up4xi That is in correct, the total gas tax is 44 cents a litre and all regions get funding from the gas tax maybe 30% if we are lucky. EV’s used the same roads an are heavier there thr same tax is needed. A mileage tax is the only fair way to keep the playing field level.
One way or the other they will get you with taxes
It should be $2000.oo, not $200.oo! Electric recycling is 10 times more toxic than clean gas vehicle recycling!
EV biggest scam ever
car owners say the same thing about cycling and walking
@@scruf153 Do governments give discounts to walkers and cyclists, and spend a fortune putting out the polluting fires from them?
Carbon tax is
Call the ambulance . Sorry it's on the charger you'll have to wait. Hahaha
@dougbingham1085, lol.... It's like calling "911" and having to listen to an IVR, "Thank you for calling your 911 emergency services provider. Please listen carefully to the following instructions as our menu options have changed. If you are currently experiencing imminent danger, please press 1.... :: presses 1 :: You have indicated that you are in imminent danger! We are sorry, all of our emergency response operators are currently assisting other callers experiencing imminent danger! Please do not hang up as calls are handled in the order in which they are received...."🤣🤣🤣
Watching to see how the tax will be slowly increasing over the years. I remember a temporary tax added for gasoline. I was young and told my older co workers, "But it is only a temporary tax." My older and wiser co workers stated, "Ever seen a TEMPORARY tax?" I'm retired now, and the "TEMPORARY" tax is still with us, and has even gone up over the years.
We have the same thing in Australia. There was a "temporary" tax added to our fuel to help pay for a massive tax evasion bill some rich guy had years ago. It was only meant to be there for a year or so, but we're still paying that extra tax a couple of decades later. (It's bewildering why drivers were/are stuck paying that person's tax, too.)
More taxes are coming just around the corner
Thanks trudoh😂
It’s time for EV owners to pay their way.
They r post to b saving the planet lol more like a money grab
We have been paying our way in the USA. There has been a road tax. Nothing new. Odd that it has taken this long for Alberta to get one.
I agree. Many who purchased an EV also got a government rebate of up to $7500 just for buying that POS.
well how about we just get rid of tax credits for having kids. people need to stop relying on the government for helping raise their kids!@@larrybruce4856
why do I have to have my taxes increase and I am paying for someone else's kid.@@larrybruce4856
In the US in California, for the Model 3 it is $800
You could just say "in California" ... we all know Cali is in the US. Hopefully.
I’m okay with Canadians being ignorant about the US. Ever talk to an American about Canada?
@@user-ju1qx9dc3wIf you want to see true ignorance talk to a Canadian about the USA
I think that’s what it should be here too.
Only wealthy people have money to buy the EV toys.
Tax blue and green hair dye.
And bull nose rings!
How about a "Trans" tax....
@@jamesparker1071how about old age tax? 😂😂😂
How long did it take you to come up with that one, smart guy?
and cowboy hats
This tax is totally justified. If gasoline vehicles are taxed, so should ev’s…..
That's a socialist's answer. The solution to this inequity is not more taxes for EV owners, but less taxes for gasoline car owners. Albertans currently pay a 10 cent/L federal excise tax, a 9 cent/L provincial excise tax, a 14.31 cent/L federal carbon tax, and a 5% goods and services tax. Plus you have to pay for that with your income, which is already heavily taxed. Canadians from coast to coast are suffocating under heavy taxation. The solution is to eliminate taxes, not to increase them. Remember that EV owners are not the enemy. They're not the ones trying to get rid of gasoline cars; it's the government who's doing that.
lol how do things get paid for without taxes?
@@chags3512 Things get paid by people who make money, not those who steal it. That's what a free market is all about. Even roads were not always publicly owned.
@@CPUtech101 but then people complain about the rich people needing to pay more taxes so how do you force them to pay for things? Lol
@@chags3512 That's the whole point. You don't force anyone to pay for things. That's theft. There are plenty of people and organizations who are incentivized to pay for roads, including vehicle manufacturers, businesses that need you to have access to their shops, and drivers themselves. Finding the money won't be a problem without the state's forceful involvement. Also, rich men help the poor get richer by offering them jobs. The more you tax them, the more expensive their products, the lower their revenue, the lower your potential income, and the lower everyone's purchasing power. It's a bad vicious circle. Yes, the government offers services with the money they steal, but that's no justification for theft. And even if it were, a lot of that stolen money is wasted on bureaucracy and bad investments that would run a legitimate company out of business, and the rest of that money tends to be poorly managed. In the end, you end up paying more for everything, unless you choose a parasitic lifestyle, where you consume the services provided "for free" by the state, without producing anything substantial that the government could steal from you.
How can people complain about this? All they talk about is how cheap it is to run…..pay your share please for the roads.
Who's complaining by the way?
The money from this tax is not used for the roads
@@kimjongoof5000
That’s exactly what the money is for.
Duh
Because we're paying 4x more than the gas tax (based on 12K a year) and most EV's ARE NOT heavier than their ICE equivalent.
@@Ont785 Read the article on that. The dude putting this tax in clearly isn't
The gig is up ev lovers time to start paying a fee yall be evading lol.
I've been saying something very similar about bike riders. They're taking away car lanes to make bike lanes and they don't pay a red cent in taxes. And ( in Canada) who rides bikes in the snow? So less car lanes and the ones designated for bikes cant be used year round. And who pays for the roads?
As a dentist working in Canada and riding his bike to work some days I can assure you I'm paying more than a red cent in taxes whilst also doing almost negligible road damage compared to when I drive.
I agree riding a bike to work in the snow is not feasible in a professional work setting, however we have a lot of rideable days during the year.
We should promote cycling, making the average citizen healthier (less burden on our healthcare system both financially and with respect to volume of patients if we can minimize cardiovascular and diabetic complications early by exercise) as well as less damage to our roads (less finances needed to repair/maintain).
@@user-qn5yx6st9f how are you paying any road tax? You paid sales tax for the bike and accessories one time. No road tax ever.
@@tonytangianu3482 I pay road tax whenI use my car (on the days I'm not able to bike to work) and my income tax is higher than the average meaning I'm paying proportionally more towards road infrastructure.
@@tonytangianu3482
He literally just gave his arguments as to why biking can cut taxes...
It's also just better for the environment.
@@jakemartinez6894 so someone riding a bike will lower peoples taxes ? How exactly would that happen? Just like a carbon tax that will lower CO2 ( plant food ) instead of ending up in some thieving politicians pockets I suppose.
It is no where enough, why should taxpayers subsidize other drivers. If you want to drive an EV pay your share, don't ask me to give you a credit to buy your car and free roads.
A person living a healthy lifestyle could argue that people who chooses to live an unhealthy lifestyle should pay more for their medicare.
Why government subsidize oil industry when some people don't drive.
@@Trust_but_Verifyyes our government subsidizes oil, and just because one doesn’t drive doesn’t mean that they don’t use the oil, it’s in plastics to clothing..
So do I get a rebate for riding a bicycle?
Hey it won't be long before you are taxed riding a bicycle
You get an extra special ribbon just for you
Don't forget to get your bicycle license. 😂
@@thomask4978And insurance.
EV drivers are paying enough on depreciation that these junkers have.
Should be $2000.
It’s about time that electric vehicles pay to maintain roads, bridges, just like ICE vehicles thru fuel taxes.
We already pay a ton in tax for those very things...idiot.
If we do that we should also get rid of tolls , they were suppose to be temporary but no we pay our non tax money for roads
Road repair electrical grid needs upgrading crash barriers....pay up ev!!
So do the much heavier lifted F-350's have to pay an extra tax?
Grid doesnt need additional funding or much upgrading. Nor does tax funds go to it.
@@cameronmacdonald6525Duh...yes it does...just through the use of gasoline as it uses more fuel than a smaller vehicle.
cars destroy streets/roads more than cycling and walking but non car owners have to pay more
@@scruf153 Cyclers and walkers pay a fuel tax? News to me. Did the cyclists pay for the "bicycles only" lanes? Nope, they didn't.
This is only the start of many fees. It will only get more costly to own an ev....
Something has to be said here but I’m not sure if I’m right, so please chime in if you know more. Back in the Notley days, I believe the fuel tax, designated for roads, was moved into “general revenue” for use in other “green initiatives”. And, more recently I read somewhere that the current government still does not use road tax for roads. Does that mean that the ev road tax is magically going towards roads or is it just another tax for general revenue?
And another question, if oil prices rise and the fuel tax gets paused...do the EV owners then get a pro-rated rebate since they have to pay up front?
Fuel still has and excise tac, gst, etc.
I've read several reports that say it goes to general revenue in Alberta. Saskatchewan it goes towards roads. In the US it goes towards roads. Based on the potholes I see in Montreal I would say none goes towards roads there. :)
@@lon1253. Doesn’t matter if it goes towards roads or not. It’s a vehicle usage tax. Electric cars are vehicles.
@@legendhavok1723nope charged doubled for making cost more to power our home
with gas back up so high here, i still save more for the little i drive.
but it should be by mileage.
not a flat rate.
How can they monitor EV milage? You cant track it though hydro. You cant track theor odometer.
@@user-jh6vt8vx4vYou want to rethink that statement? EV's...reliant on computer chips...wherever you drive it is known where you are (GPS anyone?)...easy to track the mileage. Tell me you are a Turdeau supporter without telling me that.
@@user-jh6vt8vx4v , I live in the States so I'm not sure how things are done in Canada but we pay tax based upon "every gallon of fuel we purchase", so why wouldn't it just make sense for A-EV's to be taxed for every kWh of charge?! Given A-EV's may require 30-60 kWh's for a full charge, then that's similar to "ICE" vehicles with 10-20+ gallons of fuel. They can simply adjust the tax appropriately for the higher range of the kWh. In the States we have gasoline taxes ranging from just under 15 cents per gallon to nearly 70 cents per gallon.
We been paying this road improvement tax for years. It is included on every gallon now liter of gas you buy. EV owners are not paying for the road improvement tax.
Do you think electricity is tax-free?
@@SBMAN123everyone pays for electricity. What OP was saying is they ain’t putting gas in EVs therefore they ain’t contributing to the condition of the roads yet they use the roads with people who do pay taxes on gas.
@@neednewPM think about what you just said. Do I really gotta do the math for you? People with EVs are paying for way more electricity, you do know you don't recharge a Tesla to full for pennies right? It costs close to $20 to fully recharge a Tesla every time. So while your electric bill might be $200, EV owners might be $500 or more, so they contribute their fair share in taxes, not as much as a gas vehicle but it's not like they are just driving around for free
And gas users pay every week to fill up. I pay 150 a week to fill up and 150 for my electricity a month do the math smart guy. Tell me who pays more. Paying 20 bucks to go 400 clicks n you complaining. Don’t drive then. Also electricity and gas taxes are different. If they were one and the same it would’ve been affected by the carbon tax.
@@neednewPM I'm saying that the whole point of EV is you save on gas, this $200 tax aint much now sure, but you don't think they gonna raise it? it will be $400 one day, $1000 one day, $5000 one day, and they will raise it as much as they can, to the point where the savings won't be worth it. You give Govt an inch and they will take a mile.
They did this in the state of Victoria here in Australia. Fuel tax is by the Federal Govt not the state Govts. A group of EV drivers took the state to the Supreme court who won, with the court finding it was unconstitutional for states to charge a Federal tax.
I looked it up, because it seemed a bit weird, but they're right.
Section 90 of the Australian constitution forbids states from imposing "duties of customs or of excise,..." with pre-existing taxes from before the 13th of June 1898 still being in place.
The court case relied on their interpretation of "excise". For that, Oxford dictionary is very clear:
"excise1 /"EksVIz/
· n. a tax levied on certain goods and commodities and on licences granted for certain activities."
So the additional tax for EVs would fall under "a tax levied on certain goods".
we don't understand why if you want to make a great day of travel why you would put yourself on a timer then have to stop for 2 hrs to plug in to get to drive again. I can do 19 hrs a day driving from ont on the way to alberta we only need to stop for gas
Virtue signalling pretty much covers the extra tasking & planning EV owners inflict upon themselves. It's a self righteous "in order to save the planet" thing for them.
On one end, you have provinces providing incentives to get you in an EV, on the other you have provinces charging you an extra tax. So this tax is mostly a way to discourage EVs and get you in an ICE to buy more gas.
Alberta have no ev rebate program, ev owners basically paid upfront for trying to be environmentally conscious also supports new innovations. (Don’t tell me ev also cause pollution most of the material is already 100% recyclable, from battery to components to body frame, Teslas battery end up become home battery and laptop battery after recycling, Canada just isn’t capable to have recycling factory being build or up to global standards, our rich billionaire are well feed and not thinking much okay with ripping Canadians off while American rich people makes 5x the revenue and innovates.
Their retirement account and 401k up by whopping 20-30% minimum while Canada probably up by 15% that 15% might of been because Canadians are the largest foreign stock owner with tfsa, mostly buying and holding American stocks
the reason why it’s still polluting it’s because our energy sector still uses oil, some of the cars never ended up being recycled just sits in landfill and polluting our lands. Some of the statistics are insanely misleading especially when being picked and choose by auditors getting paid by oil lobby, truly disgusting
@@freeflowtrader It takes 100 tons of mined ore to create one electric vehicle battery....The pollution to create the electric vehicle battery is more than the pollution to create an ICE vehicle...Perhaps you should do your research before commenting. Look at whats involved with creating all these EV batteries and the industry it has created now with mining for those ores in 3rd world countries. Also electric vehicles run on electricity that is created by power plants via fossil fuels (majority of our power still does not come from renewable sources) So is buying and driving an EV vehicle really enviromentally friendly?
I think that's too high. I'm seeing 30,000 pound lithium ore, 5000 pounds cobalt ore and 25000 pounds of copper. So 60,000 pounds total. At 2000 pounds per ton then that is 30 tons of ore That was just a Google. Do share your source. In addition, batteries should be recycled. So in future it should be a closed loop. Clearly, though it is something needing to be managed. I'm not in any way making light of the issue.
@@user-cf9pr4kw7p oh please, we can do a simple emission standard of electric car vs engine car, average battery life cycle of Tesla is 300k-500k miles let’s use something more modest a 300k miles life cycle, then we compared to an average Honda civics which spews 0.36pound of emission per mile, hey suv and pick up might be double of that. After 300k miles we have 108,000 pound of co2 produced.
It only takes 10k pound of co2 to produce a model 3 battery.
Then there’s the power composition, it’s about sectoral developments, no clean sector no transition, we sorta just sits in oil and breathing in all the gasoline, average energy per capita for Canada is 52k kWh while USA is 48k kWh, are we in need for world domination that requires us to use that much energy?
it’s obvious electric car cost probably twice or even three times as much compared to engine car but what makes the difference is second pollution, I’m pretty sure all the steam spewing from pipes also helps environment.
don’t tell me people buys engine car and decide it’s only going to drive it for 500km for rest of its life. Have common sense.
In terms of mining Canada never gets to decide where to mine or how products should be made, this is all china and United States, in Canada we don’t have people that can decide things we have these lapdogs celebrating oil or celebrating electric on which ever side but generally really uninformed on the subject matter and have tendencies to spread misinformation just because they’re uneducated. Not you tho, it’s the crowds that drags Canada down alongside with the Canadian government. Trudeau government and truckers, what a work of art, miracle time we live in. Don’t get me wrong person on the other side is more of an embarrassment. The guy couldn’t shake off Pornhub image and have to hop on these Trudeau trying to cover up for Chinese virologists misinformation bandwagon, then again methods or how appropriate action are done Trudeau probably did something wrong.
What’s next? Canada helps China spread covid with virus studies? This is kind of mess we’re in. These people on the internet simply don’t care.
I’m pretty sure African mines where kids standing in toxic water with no safety equipment trying to get cobalt is still a thing somewhere, much like how some oil rig workers gets cancer because they’re exposed to petroleum all the time. The key is proper equipment for safety measures, when things are being dug up from the ground, most of the methods are dangerous and polluting, clean oil, think about that, that was meant to be funny, also fracking creates more earthquakes than it should, whichever cost more damage afterwards I think it’s pretty clear, the problem is just way of life,
you don’t buy them kids in Africa wouldn’t have to be barefoot in toxic water trying to mine cobalts, you don’t buy cars at all some of the nation probably will never have people dying from extreme hurricane and climate disaster.
Also does people on the internet deserve to have another person informing them? No, fk them.
@@markthomas7279it's 500 tons of ore.
200 a year is miniscule, it should be per km at renewal. Ice engines pay approx 33% tax per liter. 1.47 is approx 50 cents tax. Let's say 15000km a year and 10l/100km @ 1.4 per litre is approximately $2100 a year in fuel 1/3 of that is tax so $700 based on these numbers.
I have not taken into account the tax on electricity but that does not go towards the roads.
Having said all this, I also don't know what percentage of fuel tax goes to the roads coffers.
EV owners want everything for free.
The car costs way more to initially purchase
@@doublesman0but subsidized by the taxpayers.
@@doublesman0 well that sounded like a "their problem" yes? They want to play then they better pay to play.
And you are the sucker who wants to pay?
@@bossman6174 Like the freeloaders who don't want to pay?
How many of these cars have experience fires in Alberta?
how do you map a penny per kilometer to kw/hours? Average? Wouldn't there be a wide distribution depending on efficiency and environment (temperature)
most people only drive 3 to 5 miles a day I cycle and walk but have to pay more for streets and roads I do not own a car why do I have to pay more
Sounds about right. They need to pay electric tax on charge up for burdening the power grid, and gas tax if the electricity is produced from fossil fuels. And also more insurance premiums due to spontaneous fire and lose of control on roads. And also new tax towards building new charging stations.
I hope you know that gas powered cars also can have spontaneous fires, and that happens a lot more often too per vehicle
Fair
I thought conservatives where all about small government?
Yes, but more so about fiscal responsibility.
@@ledzeppelin1212 Not much is going to change with Neo-liberals and Conservatives in power, as they really have no interest in fiscal responsibility. Nothing fiscal about relatively crumb-like benefits for the little people while making more of them pay more dollars into a system that feeds monopolisitic outfits and socializes the failures and losses of big corporations through a corrupt tax regime. This has little resemblance of capitalism let alone real competition.
What’s fiscal about allowing freeloaders - freeloaders that never admit they are freeloaders when they know they need corporate socialism to be functional?
What’s fiscal about supporting policies that keep the status quo of capitalism no longer exploiting innovations and markets, but exploiting suppliers, customers and workers draining broad prosperity at the tax payers’ expense?
What’s fiscal about reducing competitive advantage that hurts small businesses with policies that increase monopolistic outfits, which limits real capitalistic competition?
Modern Conservatism has nothing to do with less spending, smaller government, or fiscal responsibility." That's just old rhetoric to manipulate perceptions. It has never matched nor delivered its rhetoric of fiscal responsibility and this has been ever increasingly visible in the 21st century.
No party wants small government, the world is doomed.
Nope.
Thank you Alberta, Danielle Smith is awesome 👌
My Dad called this a long time ago. Somehow they have to make up the amounts of being lost. Id imagine as more people drive EVs the amount collected will increase, probably as people charge their cars, just like gas. Just add it into the charging fee. The more things change, the more they stay the same.
alberta wants to raise your taxes WOW
Tesla cars are trash
Okay, show everyone your blonde roots.
The classification of energy source, processes, on a long term, and that they are not EXEMPT, since this is where FUNDING COMES designed for Employers, Employees, Customers, Suppliers and Businesses, and LOYALTY CARDS, that encourages accountability in RECORD KEEPING. IMPORTANT******
Saskatchewan started this Oct 1 ,2021....150.00 annual charge collected at time of registration.
Good. About time! Victoria state in Australia they have distance based tax. You send a picture of your odo when renewing the yearly rego.
That got overturned by the federal court and Victoria had to issue refunds to anyone who paid (plus interest)
It’s totally your fair share
The tax is already the $25,000 ticking time bomb that is the battery or the initial high cost of the vehicle already.
Let the blind sheep EV owners suffer those consequences and pay the tax too. Then maybe they’ll stop buying overpriced EVs so manufacturers start making cheaper ones that everyone can afford
Batteries are half that an make up the difference in 150k miles.
It's only fair to pay your share to use the roads. It was coming. Just a question of when.
In Iceland we pay 45$ for 1000 km (620 miles)
If you drive 1000 km a month, that makes 540$ a year
What they start 30-40 minus cold?
Just the beginning
This is common sense and has been expected by most foresighted people. Everybody needs to pay their fair share (for maintaining the infrastructure). You can be sure it will come to the US soon too.
$200 is fair because there’s also a little bit of ketchup time in that $200. roads don’t pay for themselves to be created and fixed.😮
Did you watch the video? Are heavy trucks taxed? Trailer homes?
@@carlose6010 Did you? A heavy truck uses more fuel, fuel is heavily taxed.
@@carlose6010fuel prices should be less how about that
$200 is fine, but we already pay more than enough in tax to fix our roads.
It doesn't make sense to compare electric cars to ice trucks and say that ice trucks are heavier. Of course they're heavier, they're trucks, they're bigger, they weigh more. Why not compare electric trucks to ice trucks and see what happens ... the electric trucks are always heavier than ice trucks because of the battery pack that ALL EVs have onboard. Jeeez, why not just compare an electric CAR to an ice semi already, then sure, the semi is way heavier. In any case it was always obvious that EV owners didn't pay gas tax for road maintenance and that sooner or later they'd have to pony up the money one way or another. You can't be an EV owner and be surprised by this, owning an EV isn't an automatic " pass " on road tax forever, it was never going to be that way.
Wait until the tax goes to 300-500-800 per year. And insurance doubles....
It should be far more than that.
It will only go up as more and make the switch.
@@timeverson728 Ain't that the truth.
I have no desire to buy an electric garbage can on wheels……
my local electric utilities(county-owned/operate) has just increased the electric rate by 4.7 percent. They are blaming it on increased number of full electric vehicles.(plus the fact that my area's grid is at near full capacity and they have to buy electricity from neighboring power companies) According to my friend who is an accountant at the utilities company, they have no way of increasing electricity supplies and expect the sharp increase in EV to help boost electricity by as much as 20 to 30 percent within the next 8 years.(more after that when the US mandates that all new cars are EV only) In other words, everybody pays.... :(
Sounds like poor grid management. The rest of us energy suppliers are improving and maintaining our grid like we have the last 30 years.
Colorado, USA...Our taxes have tripled over the past 5 years. It seems theres no value to anything anymore. I feel for ya!
Lower maintenance costs sound great until the battery goes bad.
I am willing to pay my fair share....but we need consider all factors...how increasing the purchase credit by 200 to factor in recycling
You want more taxpayer assistance to drive your ev? Give your head a shake.
@flightographist you want to waste more tax money on putting out fires...health care costs due to toxic air pollution...go ahead...2035
Funny how they say the cost for filling up is about the same when that was a big selling point.
Big advocate of EVs but the roads have to be maintained. Not sure how a per mile tax works from a privacy perspective but that does seem a fair methodology.
Bottom line is that what is being pumped into the atmosphere represents an enormous technical debt, which is much much more than all the tax expenditures and all the subsidies by all countries to wind and solar energy and EVs.
It's about time!
Why not have a 'road user charge' type of system like they have for Diesels here in New Zealand. It's fairer as it's based on vehicle weight and distance driven annually.
I once saw an Alberta diesel pickup occupying a EV charging spot, good use of the charging spot
I talked about this last year.
Don't be so surprised it will happen all over. I'm only surprised who at who is pulling the plug first lol.
Should be several thousand for the road tax
This is hilarious! How many years have they been not paying for road repairs. Plus, if you can afford a EV you can afford the taxes! In other words, you wanna play, you pay.
BTW it DOESN'T MATTER what is the CURB Wright/GVWR of an electric vehicle. It matters what is coming out from it while it drives around in cities, driving by schools, playgrounds, sidewalks. We suppose to focus on tail pipe emission: BEVs are emitting ZERO GHG locallay, BUT old diesel pickup trucks, transit buses, heavy trucks and straight-piped V8 sportscar are emitting a lot of CO2, NOx and soot.
And guess what: you and you loved ones filter the toxic particles out of the air with your lungs. (Yes, I know, Earth's beautiful flora try to keep up with GHG, but they're losing.)
The tax seems low and it should be added at the chargers at a per kilowatt rate just like fuel.
The problem is those are private chargers. Not to mention people like me mostly charge at home so the government can't see what I'm doing and thus can't tax me. It's a very sticky situation. But I'm ok paying $200 considering what some other regions charge EV owners.
Your too naive. A few year down the line they will raise it to $800 or $1000 which I won't be surprised
Someone driving 25000 km per year and using 8l per 100 km only pays $180 in gas taxes in Canada.
Its just numbers really. I'm sure a sensible solution is available. Essentially we all need to pay for road maintenance.
If you think they are not assessing grid use by ev's you need to think again. @@Demobot1
They should pay it. They need to pay their share of the road maintenance.
It should be done on milage driven just like ice drivers pay more tax for more miles driven. Kentucy passed legislation to add addition charging tax and additional registration tax . Five other states also working on similar legislation.
No sympathy for the simps. Should be a registrastion tax, an insurance tax, a road tax, tire tax, electric grid useage tax, and a minority tax on all electric vehicles in Alberta. All that money can be pooled and used to pay for mental health care for everyone who bought/buys and electric vehical in Alberta
after running 5 800W electric heaters for 2 weeks and turning 2 off for 12 hours in the daytime, when my gas furnace went out and got a $400 electric bill I think I'll stay away from anything large that runs on electricity. needless to say i was shocked
That's actually pretty cheap for that amount of electricity usage at least compared with California's rates. EV uses about 300 watt hours per mile compared with 1300 watt hours per mile equivalent for the average gasoline powered vehicle.
That amount of electricity (1,075 kwh) would have given you more than 3,500 miles (6,000 km), how much would it have cost to fuel your ICE to travel that distance. BTW 37c per kwh seems expensive much more than the home cost of EV charging in the UK (my offpeak EV rate is 7.5p kw/hr around 14 Canadian cents)
@@kcebliks Well you're basing his electric utility bill entirely on his heating but he's obviously got a baseline usage so his electric bill is likely half of that normally in the winter.
Weren’t we paying people to buy them before?
Yup! But that's how they get their money back 😅
No. Just a reduction on one year of taxes. Which unless you pay 7K in taxes, it doesnt help you much.
that's very cheap in New Zealand from the 1st of April we have to pay this per thousand kilometres76.00 NZD = 46.40 USD on all plug-in hybrids and EVs
In b4 they implement millage taxe at the end of the year for electrics.
when its -40c out ev's are not the right choice
When was it -40 where u were last. And dont say yesterday
@@rethinker167 month and a half ago and our grid almost crashed because the renewables quite working and Alberta almost went black. It's minus 25 today .
Maybe. But they will have a huge battery when there is an outage. I hope those who bought EVs will also get solar panels too 😂
@@rethinker167 it was on January 12 this year it was -37 -45 with the windcill
Tesla interiors warm up much quicker than gas cars. I drive gas presently but some neighbours have Teslas
There's no such thing as a free lunch. They use roads also. They have to be pay for infrastructure as anybody else
In the Vancouver area, 43 cents/ litre of gasoline in taxes..+ gst….40 lite tank on small suv equates to roughly $16.00 in tax per fill…one fill every second week. 26 x $16.00= $416..per year….I WOULD say $200 is fair.
This has nothing to do with the few billionaires that maintain their fortunes through a fossil fueled economy. This tax is applied towards Fiat 500E units at 3100 pounds through some that approach 10,000 pounds.
Add in the cost of maintenance and damages to the subsidized electrical grid and charging stations often demanded as free by EV drivers.
I, and a couple of other businesses in my community own EV chargers and have been generous in allowing people to use them for free. The incoming number of users expanded exponentially and so many just dropped the cords and receptacle on the ground when finished charging. The damages have been expensive.
I and another local business owner now have turned the charger off and offer it “upon appointment” only.
Can always tell a Canadian when they pronounce ‘aboot’.
At 1:25, says still cheaper to drive an EV. Nope, try to sell one used, then see depreciation costs. It’s not cheaper .
The E.v. will soon be paying "per km" use as the pay no taxes to roads.. Bravo.. 😂
In my best Nelson voice, "Haaa, HA!"
Is this really in the news if you use the roads you have to pay something and concerned about $200 when your car cost 50k plus
Dude forgets about 80% of EV's that cost less than 50K.
Its fair gas vehicles includes road maintenance tax ,Ontario needs to do the same
Is electricity taxed? What about charging at charging stations?
Should be taxed more to subsidize the grid. You asked great question, good point
Its the same as they did with diesel, sell it as the money saving option then tax you once you buy them.
$200 is cheap compared to the fuel taxes. I predicted this years ago...but I thought it wouldn't happen until electric vehicles were numerous enough have an impact on fuel tax revenue. Glad to see that Alberta is getting out in front.
How about hybrids? Paying at the pump and an additional $200/ yr?
saw this in an article, "Hybrid vehicles will be exempt from paying the tax."
It's interesting that a Tesla weighs, 5390 lbs whereas a 55 Cadillac land yacht one
of the largest American cars of all time weighed, 4630 lbs, or 800 lbs less than a Tesla,
think about that for a second!
Where did you get 5900 lbs?? A Model Y, the big one only weighs 4400 lbs. Look it up.