What Euro 2024 has taught us so far...
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- Äas pĆidĂĄn 26. 06. 2024
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The group stages of Euro 2024 are over.
Joe Devine, JJ Bull, and Jon Mackenzie sit down to discuss what they have learned so far, including Spain's success under Luis de la Fuente, Scotland's misery under Steve Clarke, and Gareth Southgate's issues after England's first three matches.
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Your turn đ
1⣠One thing you really want to talk about
2⣠One thing that has surprised you, positively or negatively
3⣠Your England audit
Go!
1. How they are very few good footballers and good football matches .
2. Surprised by how awful the European game is compared to AFCON
3. England are terrible because Smellingham is overrated as if Foden and they don't have a playmaker.
How do I change my name on CZcams lads ?? Lmao
1. The importance of constantly moving when attacking.
2. Why has no one gone for Mamardashvili when he's arguably a better goalkeeper than Donnarumma?
3. Defensively decent, but too fearful and static in attack. Tie into number 1, they look very rigid in position when attacking, no runs being made so there's no plan of attack, gives time to recover for defending team.
ââ@@branolukwesa3538riiiiight AFCON is better đ€Ł
Here, take clown card
I want to talk about the mentalness of the fandom. Every game we have a new scapegoat. Game 1 was Trent. Game 2 was Foden and Kane. Game 3 was Bellingham. The last two tournaments it was legitimate to criticize the squad selection. The squad was picked on reputation and experience rather than form. This time Southgate should be praised for taking risks. I don't think blaming individuals off the back of 1 or 2 games is sane behaviour.
What's surprised me is just how bad England have been. No energy, no desire, no fight. They don't look like they have a second gear let alone running through all the gears needed to win it. The Slovenia game was painful.
Plz, bring back tifo as it was
tifo irl was the best
@@oitoitoi1 They got killed by the algo
Yes bro
I like the new format, just wanted more long vids
â@dandane3819 is that really what happened?
Like just the algorithm to new viewers?
Because I always saw their uploads in my recommended
The lack of daily EURO streams from Tifo has been a big disappointment. It was a key part of my EURO 2020 and World Cup 2022 schedule.
I do miss those. Peak Tifo
Tifo has been a disappointment in general the past year or so
â@@ewancartney9360 the foot has grown unfamiliar with the gas
Yes. This. One millions times!
You mean Athletifo? â@@ewancartney9360
Joe's "Helloooo and welcome" triggers a Pavlovian reaction.
Would happily play it on loop
To the Tifo football podcast
These guys would really suit a weekly podcast, as well as a supplementary daily podcast through tournaments.
Much better than those boring old media trained farts that they bring on these days.
Q: What do you call a Scotsman in the knockout stages of a major tournament?
A: An analyst.
Ouch. As a fan of Croatia, I can understand the pain the Scots are feeling. I can assure you a little bit of both countries died out there on the pitch in the last minute of each of their last games. đą
"Helloooo and welcome" TO THE TIFO FOOTBALL PODCAST! I need my gates and warm hands and cool embrace!
I just want Points Are Bad back (with its banger theme song).
I miss it so much đ
gates?bill gates? farm gates?
Wish we could get these guys on a pod
I miss the old Tifo. The daily live streams during Euro 2020 and World Cup 2022 were brilliant.
I misss tifo tournament podcasts please bring them back đ
I miss daily pods from this trio through major competitions where the madness slowly but surely grows each day
The only thing I learned was how much I miss the tifo podcast.
Liveshow dates:
đ7th July
đ11th July
đ14th July
We'll drop the times closer to the dates đ€
@MichealH3948 here are the podcast dates
Since youve merged more and more with the athletic youve lost your identity somewhat. Stuff like this is a step in the right direction.
I am so sad this wasnât live-streamed and extraordinarily long
Georgia, Slovenia and Romania were really impressive
And Austria too
they really wernt. romania prob worst team in the group and finished top lol
@@toosleepyforeverything yeah they played well
And Austria, criminal to forget Austria
As much as I agree with nearly everyone else in the comments, I love this trio. No matter what form they make content in I will watch and throughly enjoy. Thank you guys đ©”
I do like the new format. The Podcast and Streams were great though. Really miss the daily streams during tournaments though
I missed the whole Tifo videos /podcasts which by all accounts was a great eh thing....these videos aee great but quite short. I hope there will be more from the guys. Its great fun and very insightful
These guys are really good, maybe they should start a relaxed podcast about football, I'd watch that.
Funny you should say that đ€
Still wondering how Seb's gates are.
It doesn't matter how good players are in space. Football is played on planet earth.
"IF WE WERE SUPPOSED TO PLAY FOOTBALL IN THE AIR, GOD WOULD HAVE PUT GRASS UP THERE" R.I.P
I really want to talk about how much more fun it's been to see the "smaller" teams face each other and give it their all than it's been watching the "big" teams struggle to get anything done.
What's surprized me is Austria actually living up to its dark horse status so far. Usually, the team predicted by most to be the dark horse going in to the tournament (Turkey 2020, Denmark 2022) fails to deliver on that status.
England has been woeful, but in the somewhat defensively assured way that I (not being English) worry they're going to have a Portugal 2016-type run and ruin this exciting tournament with their boredom. Especially now that they've once again fluked their way into what should on paper be an easy run to the final. The same worry applies to France, except of course that they're running the gauntlet in the knock-outs, but that means they might break our hearts time and time again.
Best games so far from memory have been Turkey-Georgia, Croatia-Albania, Netherlands-Austria, Switzerland-Hungary and probably another obvious one i'm forgetting.
Aside from Spain and Germany (and Portugal in the first two games) - really been disappointed with the showing from the "favourite" countries so far.
@@battlep0t SPAIN ITALY
Spain from this euro reminds me of Man Utd under Sir Alex. Very diverse in terms of different modes of attacking play... Sometimes very direct or very possession based by breaking the defensive lane quickly using 3rd man release and fast vertical passing...
EXCEPT UTD HAD A STRIKER.. OR THREE
POINTS ARE BAD
THEY'RE REALLY REALLY BAD
points are good
â@@liamness no they're not they're really bad
3 POINTS BETTER THAN 2
ââ@shishsuke you don't want the points
lads bring back the pod, the people have spoken
Love this being back, even if its just a one off. Please reconsider the tifo football podcast
What a lovely lovely throwback this is
It taught us that mediocre players can make very good team and the great players can make a crap team. That even at this high level motivation and energy can trump skill.
I've had that exact cathartic "what are we doing here!?" at the TV every single England game.... I feel so seen đđđ
Football punditry and commentary is about a variable balance of expertise and personality - can have more of one and less of the other, but it's always a balance. It's the backbone of Match of the Day, MNF and the best stuff the athletic put out. The Tifo boys are the *absolute* perfect blend on this front, and it is so good to see you guys making stuff together again. Jon/Seb give detailed nerdy stuff, JJ and Reuben make it fun, and Joe is there to make jokes about skeletons if it gets too complicated. Bring it back lads, you know you want to.
Holy poo, this is so much better than the daily Athletic euros Pod
i missed these so much, please never stop making them
Hearing Joe mention points are bad made me incredibly upset that we've missed out on it this year
Fantastic summation of england at the end! 'If were not going to try and have some fun with the football, what are we doing here đ€·ââïž'
I'm of the opinion England's so called "fans" and media don't deserve squat... the arrogance the entitlement I now see what other countries have been seeing for years... I'd just as well see England quit international football...I think we'd all enjoy the tournaments better...
My prediction is that when England will start playing football to enjoy, they will win the Euros
I love this channel and you three so much. Just do this sorta stuff every day please. forever. thanks!
I miss that welcome. "JJ Bull the Bullard and Jonathan dog McKenzie" "heu, heu"
Spain play a little bit like Kloppâs Liverpool last season. They want to build up through short passes but are not afraid to go direct either, often pushing back opposition defences with the likes of Salah, Diaz, Nunez and then creating space for the likes of Mac Allister. The variation in play seems to work better in knockout tournaments but as we saw during the season not so much in a league format.
The Scotland thing is very simple: there is nothing up front. It's easy for the opponent to apply pressure when they know they will not be turned. Scotland not only lack quality up front, but numbers too. No way could they play up with combinations. Play to who? Georgia, Slovenia, even Albania...almost all of these teams have some pace and/or quality up front.
Mctominay? A Champions League level player? I think you mean Championship.
12:02 JJ giving the camera a stare and Joe looking around. The dynamic is great.
Heeeeeello and welcome, to what is almost the thing you love but not quite, but close enough to still enjoy
ABOUT TIME JESUS CHRIST IVE BEEN HANGING FOR THIS LIKE A GOD DAMN ADDICT
Great analysis as always. You guys should do some analysis of a standout historical team, like the Brazil 86 World Cup team for example. It would be fascinating to see how great teams of the past compare to today's teams.
Yes indeed, thanks to you Jon.
That Portugal jersey looking too much like a Robin from Batman suit đ
Damn, once seen can't be unseen
man they should really think about making these daily. Maybe even release them as a pod-based broadcast.
These guys are gold.
Great podcast with discussion of football tactics.
Great vid, great analysis on an odd tourney
This noble video embiggened my spirit đ
Please please do the daily podcasts (livestream at the end of the day after all the matches are over) again for the round of 16 onwards!
Points are bad 4 life!
An enjoyable podcast, as always.
wow this would be so enjoyable in a podcast format ':^)
I think one thing you guys didnât acknowledge when you were talking about France is that they build their team around Mbappe. Yes they try and make it more than the sum of the parts, but thatâs because there is a clear structure to have Mbappe as the focal point.
What would be really interesting is to get your views on who this England team should be built around and how you would do it. I know you did talk about it a little bit but I feel like thatâs a huge topic!
Personally, Iâm not convinced by Foden for tournament football. I think Bellingham and Kane make more sense. We had Kane for the 2018/20/22 tournaments and it was effective. Plus prioritising those two might be complementary as Bellingham can crash the box whilst Kane pulls deep like he likes to do. Then you have Gordon and Saka on either side.
What we have learned is that having the 4 best 3rd place going through absolutely kills the last day of groups
Wow we are so back for once in a lifetime
I wonder what JJ Bull thinks of JJ Wolf the tennis player.
I'm here for JJ's vintage pt shirt â€
What itâs taught me is that the quality of footballers and football managers has diminished quite a bit
I can't decide if that guy in the shades behind Jon is a young, trendy Joe Devine, or Seagulls era Eric Cantona! Enlighten me please.
Am gonna say that's a combination of both technically and tactically
Really disappointed about the lack of Euro 2024-related podcasts/streams
yeah but how's the Points R Bad going??
Guys stop commenting bring back the podcast - I can't like all of them!
Surprised JJ didn't watch enough of Fabian... Man you guys got to watch the serie A and Ligue 1 more. There's so much deep ducking value out there
When JJ said McTominay was champions league level I didnât hear anything he said after that
FML you guys are the best and worst. Put this in my ears every week in a podcast and tell me points are bad.
Sickos: "YES... HA HA HA... YES!"
I cheer for the punter!
I miss this group
Could somebody please send the segment about Spain's use of Nico Williams to Gareth Southgate and hopefully the penny might drop that he could use Anthony Gordon in a similar role
Did I just hear McTominay Champions League level player?đ€Ł
So it wasn't just my ears taking the piss!
They said championship level player
That Niclas Halfkrug line killed me!!đđđ
Would love to see rangnick and austria on a fairytale euro run. Otherwise spain at this point look the best contenders to win
They need to go past Germany though, the only team in my books which may get a result against Spain.
Im an ENG fan but when i saw Spain at +750 (bet 1 win 7.50) where ENG/FRA/GER/POR at +300 to +450 so i put some money down on Spain to win it all, if it comes home i dont care about losing ANY amount but if we crash out atleast i can follow spain and win some money haha
Taught me that I'm right.
One thing you really want to talk about - Austria, Romania, Gerogia (overperformers) vs Portugal, Beligum, England, France (underperformers) & team of the group stage
One thing that has surprised you, positively or negatively - Gerogia was the biggest shock. The way they play is just very reminissant of a great total football side (in possession) Out of possesion they defend in numbers and with passion.
Your England audit - They suck and its not coming home.
Is this the podcast? Is it back for the knockout stage?
Fabian Ruiz is outstanding player in the Group stages, kinda surprised me
Please do discuss what are we doing here.
I see Joe Devine, I like.
I'll never forgive The Athletic for what they've done to TIFO
That coaching badges need to be reevaluated immediately
Clarke out now! Two tournaments in a row his team have completely shat the bed in the same way: got blown away in the first game, gave a spirited performance in the second game, earning a draw against superior opposition, then in the third and final game - which was a must-win - they offer next to nothing. He hasn't made any improvements at all. The team haven't learned a damn thing. Time to hang it up Steve, you're done!
skilful wingers and overlapping fullbacks who actually might be passed to... revelatory stuff!
Very important question: does JJ know Scotland won the boobie prize for worst team at the tournament in the sweepstakes?
I'm sorry but can someone check the stats on how many touches McTomminay had in all 3 games? It had to be less than the average player has in 45 minutes. My worst player of the tournament. And I like him!
Where have you been!?
I miss them Tifo days
England need to build the team around Saka and Rice. Simples.
If only we could inject the chemistry of these three into the England squad
No euro podcast in tifo?
oh sweet the tifo football podcast is back
There are more teams in EURO than England, Scotland, a bit of Albania & a bit of Spain đ€Šââïž
Agree about Bellingham. I thought he was getting in the way against Serbia. I would drop him and play Foden at 10, Gordon left wing. Forget Serbia and Denmark. England were good in the second half against Slovenia and I don't see why they won't build on that.
Love y'all, have some engagement xx
Arsenal should be signing Fabian Ruiz he would be perfect for that left hand side 8
Kane would've had golden boot by now if it was for lack of chances
Why did we just talk about Scotland for 90% of the video!? So confused đ
Everytime someone says "premier league level player" I imagine la liga second division level.. guys, just Madrid has more champions than that premier league thing. In erupa cups the situation is the same. Please dont insult players by calling them premier league level, its like calling them second class players.