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Is This A BAD Idea? DIY Electrical In Our Off-Grid Home In The Desert
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- Is This A BAD Idea? DIY Electrical In Our Off-Grid Home In The Desert
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We are Jim and Jessica, a husband and wife team who made the leap from city life to an off-grid homestead in Southern Arizona. We've started this lifestyle equipped only with two Permaculture Design Certificates and a whole lot of determination.
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You guys need to hatch a few of those policies chicken so you can have more eggs 🥚. You should look into feeding chicken EM1 it might be helpful. I would look into if EM1 is good to add to your chicken food or water. Take everything I say with a grain of salt 🧂 and do your own research for more insurance because I couldn't be wrong. The have a garden EM1 and a EM1 for human consumption, maybe they have a EM1 for livestock but I am not sure about that.
Adler farms uses feed for their chickens and they get eggs everyday. Look them up on CZcams and look to see what type of feed they use. You can sell the eggs or donate what you don't need
I'm so sorry to ask you this miniscule petty shit but why did you say "no I am your father" in reference to starwars.?
@@pimpsqueak2058 for fun!
Tip: draw a diagram of wiring thru the dome (with measurements!) so that in the future you can locate said conductors. After the wall is finished, and a few years pass, you won't remember exactly where they run. You'll hate yourself if you run a screw into the wiring.
EXACTLY CORRECT
Or at the very least, take a bunch of photos!
Great idea!
A slower detailed video would be even better
@@Electron42 photos might get you close but once the walls are smoothed out and covered in quick lime it will be very hard to know exactly where that wire lays. A measurement of hight and other dimensions will tell you exactly
For sure, I'd use conduit on this home, instead of burying wires in lime plaster. Then, you could always replace or modify runs in the future. Plus, once covered with plaster, there's no way of knowing where the wiring is and no protection against fasteners for hanging stuff.
Imagine, being all finished with the interior, then accidently screwing through one of your wires. That's not only dangerous, but also a very serious repair process, requiring the removal of the buried damaged wire, replacing it, then flawless replastering to match the surrounding wall.
Instead, with conduit, you could simply pull out the old damaged wire, while it pulls in the new replacement wire. No damage to the wall. Sure, it increases the initial costs, but will pay off in the long run.
BTW, grey plastic conduit can easily be curved and bent with a heat gun.
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The Hermit, that sounds like really good practical advise.
Came here to basically say this. Conduit for anything that goes to an outlet box.
There won't be any fasteners going into the wall
They make a circuit tracing gadget that lets you follow a buried electrical cable . Plus you have video , save it labeled “electrical rough in” for future reference.
@@EV-wp1fj that is standard practice in Europe, code is very different in the US.
Jim, having been a electrician for over 40 years I will not critique your work, but will give you a suggestion. Before you cover your walls, enclose a conduit or two as a raceway giving access to any space you may later decide needs an extra circuit, including the next dome. P.S. If you flake off about a quarter of your romex roll and roll it out hand over hand, it will all stay flat and make a cleaner installation....FYI
I think you two are just the coolest couple around , you both are very unique..have a great day ,god bless you both .
If Jess is interested in lime plaster, she should check out Kris Harbour Natural Building. He lives in Whales UK but he's done a ton of Lime plastering especially on his two story earthbag garage/workshop and he explains how to make it from scratch and how to apply it...
if you want to continue using the earth to bring in cool or warm air you might want to build a tube in the ground buried some distance down. and use the tube in the vent as a chimney for the other end of the air. A small fan at the tube's exit will force air to move through the system.
Forced air controlled by a timer, will hel a lot to keep cool in the summer and warm in winter, while renewing the air interior of the dome.
You'll need a minimum of 6-gauge wire for the feed to the box for a 50 amp breaker with a 10-gauge ground wire and they make a 6/3 feeder cable that can be buried without conduit but don't splice the wire, use a straight run. Will the box in the house be a sub or main panel? They are wired differently and ground rods may be required. Be safe and enjoy the process.
If you have any doubts at all about the wiring then I would suggest that you get a qualified electrician to give it the once over.
Mark each end of your wires at the fuse box and at the other end so you can identify it easily. Sharpie works great.
Great progress so happy to see the work has advanced to this stage
A ceiling fan is a great idea. even if you will not use it much. just make sure you have enough wires going into the box because you need 1 or 2 extra lines for the controls.
Mate I know I'm a bit late, but I would think about making cable ways with square pvc ducting with a removal lid straight up and down the wall . It will make it easy to upgrade for future power needs. Just have a straight column with a small T section on every floor in the ceiling space. You can load them with extra draw strings to the main power board for future needs. The wiring is in one place and better protected. And I would separate the lights and power circuits (if possible). Been a sparky for 30 years and I know you will need to add things in the future so prepare now it will save you some heart ache later. Think of you power system like a tree, main trunk that branches out. If you make the trunk accessible in every ceiling space things will become easy to adapt.
With the bedroom wiring, if you wire the outlets through the light switch, when you turn off the lights the outlets will not work, since turning off the lights breaks the circuit. The lights should be on a separate wire from the outlets so the outlets work when you turn off the lights. And you need to run a line in and out of the light boxes to make a circuit or they will not work.
Their light switch is at the end of the circuit, outlets aren't switched
The air pipe needs to be vertical and high to get rid of heat.
Not if they add a inline thermostatic fan to it , as I would do
Pulling wire, quick&easy...
-Leave the bag in tact.
-Set the roll under the fixture.
-Pull wire from the center of the roll, up through the fixture back to the panel, or the next fixture.
-Cut appropriate length pigtail.
Zero waste, no unruly birdsnesting of wire.
Jim/Jess this was your best thumbnail yet! I just had to chuckle when I saw this one.
Be sure to add enough outlets for the kitchen area and vent fans
Nice Tron shirt
Pretty interesting mechanics with the desert temps. I'm thinking some sort of automatic venting that opens and closes based on difference in indoor and outdoor temps would be really sweet.
First rule when laying electrical cables: only horizontally or vertically along the outlets/distributors, never diagonally. I would also work with empty tubes, it is still not to late. In the kitchen/bathroom area, many sockets and fuses are always required, and you should also think about cables for the Internet if you don't want to be constantly exposed to the radiation. I would also plan preventive lighting and sockets around the outside area.
Your question to the that gorgeous pup his response was to look at the floor and ignore you...ummm that says to me he would rather be outside running around or sleeping in the shade LOLOL. How cute. I saw another off grid builder did when he'd run one wire for an outlet when he got the wire from the outlet to the panel he used one of those black pens and wrote on the wire at the panel what it was for and did this for all of his wires. Then when he went to hook it to the panel he'd just cut it off ...hook it up and write on the panel. Easy peasy lol.
Hope the dirt/plaster touching the wire doesn't cause issues. The original installation for my satellite dish, the wire was laid on the ground between the dish and my modem. Developed a short in the wire.
That's my thought to the wore grounding out
Tip. Use permanent marker to label each end of every wire so you know what goes where for after your plaster. Also take photos in case you need to access wires later.
Keep playing the Jazz music, it was great. 🧡🧡
I wired my first house for my Dad in 1964 and have done 6 houses over the years. I found the way my Dad did it was very logical. If I was wiring an earth bag home I would lay the wires in the cracks between the bags, that way you would not have to worry about if you put enough mud over it. It would take more wire but it would be a neater job. Zigzagging up to another level would have cost you more wire than you had but again it would have looked better.
You guys are phenomenal!! I get excited when there's a notification of a new video. You never disappoint!! 💜💜💜💜
Good job Jim! Hope it all works for you.
We use Grub Terra and our chickens love it. It has helped with egg production and quality. Glad y'all got it too.
Mack and I admire y'all and watch every video. Hang in there, keep following your dream.❤👍
You amaze me you've the knowledge to do wiring we self taught in the 70s we bought and did houses up for a living everyone was gutted and refitted. But we bought old places with no electric or toilets and sold on but then we didn't make loads of money we did renovation for other people to pay to do the houses up and to be able to live so didn't end up rich , so I watch you two and I get happy watching you both whatever you are doing I watch CZcams homestead off the grid just amazing what you achievements love ❤ to you both and Crew love ❤
To me, the most nail-biting job on any build or repair, would be the electrical...so scary. Gotta get it right, cuz once it's buried, any fail in the wiring can set the whole place on fire. Nothing more sad than fire in the walls. Take your time and do it right the 1st time.
Good job on the house. God bless y'all.
So if you are going to run the power for the other side from this panel, you might want to run conduit to the other basement at least.
You can use the voltage reader device on your cars electrical parts too
Woohoo! So pumped to see some of the electrical go in and to hear plaster is up next. This dome is already looking great, and I just know it's gonna clean up real nice!
What about 2 way switches. One at top of stairs and another at the bottom of stairs or by your bed. Same for the loft.
Don’t worry about conduit in this case inside. Just be sure to securely fasten wires to walls. Tape won’t hold for long. One outlet per 8 feet is code but more is better. This video will give record of wire placement. Run wires above ground were possible to save energy and costs. Grounded wires need double the gadge and conduit. Wish I have all this free advice and interest. Count yourselves lucky.
Always but always run cables in to directions only, horizontal or vertical, never diagonally, nice to see you moving on loving it all. The DM (UK)
Don't forget a box for the outside flood light.
Now the suggestions are alot of good advice. So many care about you two. Stopped watching tv years ago but still have a favorite show i look forward to every week, the GDP. Love y’all.
Don't forget a permanent marker to label both especially the box end and get wire clamps for going through the box wall knock out holes or ANY other metal boxes
Maybe I missed, but an idea is to put a light switch on the loft so that you can turn on a light on the ground floor. That will make it easier to get oriented if you need to go downstairs in the middle of the night or when it is dark outside/inside.
Please use a professional electrician to check your work. Absolutely worth the money.
Don't agree with that statement, electrical is rather simple
JESS! If you wanna talk turkey (chickens) - any of the red breeds are prolific layers and they are generally dual purpose birds (when they stop laying, they keep giving)
BTW, too much calcium leads to too hard egg shells (& citrus will lead to soft shells) Chickens are a blast. Enjoy 😉
On your next one, you might want to buy some of the blue flexible conduit to run your romex in. Allowing you to repull or modify any of your circuits is a great way to future proof your work. As you lay your bags, you can run conduit between bags.
Take pictures of all your wireing, for later repairs
Why when you go to homedepot you park so far out in the parking lot? Suggest you install a bigger electrical panel than you think you will need. I think HD has led recessed ceiling lights- that I think you can just hardwire do not need a can light. Your neighbors chickens are fun. need a fan to bring in the cool air in the morning -- possibly pulling it down to the sleeping room. A hanging bed would be good for the basement
Totally unrelated but you may want to check out Malabar spinach (which isn’t a spinach actually) as an option to plant there. Loves African and Texas heat! Grows like a weed and very nutritious for humans and poultry.
Jim you might need a power socket out side on the Dome make sure it a weather proof one they have covers on them you never know if you need it out there ???????? good job to i have done wiring looks good i would use condute on it though you never know make sure you have pictures where the electrical wire is even a plan
I believe a 12v computer fan in the pipes on the loft would be cheap an easy to use to regulate temparature. Hot air rises. In the other dome if possible make an in-let pipe in the bottom. Like the shed. The diference in temparature in the end of the day can be more then 10°c on dry places getting air from even a small shade and going some centimeters through the building floor. Don't even need to dig a trinch.
Don't forget to have your sockets/outlets on a different circuit to your lights and switches. Might sound daft, but you'll be thanking yourself for doing that later.
I've been watching your build from the start, hooked on your endeavour, your teamwork, your bravery and have-a-go attitude. This time though I have to break silence and echo many others as what you are doing with the electrics is simply not safe long term. Installation is DIY, but design and specification requires some experienced thought. The damn stuff bites...hard. Please consider to use conduit, even better to surface run in metal, and only run horizontal and vertical. It means some rework where it's required, and invariably a lot more cable, but you'll be so much safer in the long run. There's too much love for each other, too much love for living this life, to take the risk with this.
GREAT JOB on the electrical ❣️❣️❣️You’ll be so happy to keep knocking out projects in order to get to live in your beautiful dome!
Tip: Feed wire to a conduit, loop it and move on. Then cut the loop which gives you your two ends. Faster than cutting it to size. Also make a diagram as to where your wire is, otherwise after plastering you won't exactly remember where you put it years on....
Kevin Flynn: In there is a new world! In there is our future! In there is our destiny! Tron shirt made me go back in time!
Just a idea! The cover of the circuit breaker could be a chalk board for meaningful saying you can change or notes!
When yall get enough chickens laying eggs ,there will be enough for making puppers breakfast daily.I'd take rice,peas,carrots and scrambled eggs as a good combo.Eggs are so good for the lil guy.And you can feed the shells back to the chickens.You just have to bake them first and crumble them up.The shells can also be baked and crumbled for washing dishes.It is great for shaking inside of bottles.You can make calcium supplements for you as well.
Just a note. A fully off grid solar systems needs to have 3 wire with a bonded grounding scheme.
Amazing how far you have both got to with this house so impressed by all your hard work. I had not felt well after covid but I am a lot stronger now. Studying the soil food web and of course I have the chicken, ducks and a pair of geese.
if you take all of the waste after installing all the switches and devices, you might find some more feet from the roll of wire. I used to clean up after electricians and they waste a lot of wire, at least 40 years ago. It is easier to have too much wire when installing the switches, as it is difficult to make the wire longer. I enjoy watching your vids, keep up the good work and I will remain a faithful viewer. stay on the warm side of the door this winter.....
One question? Will you be cooking inside or outside or the kitchen is for the other dome? Maybe something to think about for inside like a vent hood for propane cook top or a chimney for a mud stove oven. 😅👍
You need a testing plug unless you always want to pull the multimeter to test if a plug is live. Useful so you don’t get zapped.
As others have suggested a wiring diagram is useful. Label each cable run at both ends with diagram information.
Don`t forget to put in a deep grounding rod , for grounding your electrical near your fuse panel .
In that area, it would be two ground rods. 25 ohms max is required, or two rods.
Hilarious screenshot!!! That's what made me laugh and open for content and subscribe! Because in a world gone dismal, your comedy relief, positive energy, and attitudes are like medicine to me as a first-time homesteader with extreme challenges myself. Thanks guys...keep it up!!!
Please provide forced ventilation for the underground floor, if you plan to use the space to live and sleep in. Put an exhaust ventilator on the oposite side from the stairs, "used" air goes aout, and fresh air comes in from the space above the stairs. Also the vent pipe, if there was an electrical fan controlled by a timer, you would be able to use the best time of the day to draw new air inside, and let the massive thermal inertia do it's thing.
THUMBS up to this video!!! You all moving right along!! Absolutely love the little dome in the desert! 🏜 good luck with the electric wiring! 👍👍👍👍👍🌅🎆
Dont forget to use proper grade of wire to feed the boxes, it id different depending upon loads.
Is an electrical code and other building codes in AZ. There is a National Electrical Code.
Code is under an "Opt out" agreement with C0chise coun+y ... no code
Ya agree with most use conduit, and just use thhn wire . Shouldn't cut corners on electrical . You could save a buck also by using some 14ga wire for lighting new l.e.d. do draw nothing ..imo you should talk about how you would like it then ask for help in comments..you will end up with much better end result and safer...your saving will come from you doing it yourself
If all the wiring is done perfectly horizontal and perfectly vertical, it is easier to know/remember where the wires run after the are covered up.
Hola mis amigos, ya falta poquito cada día, amé esa T-Shirt de Motley Crew ♥, mucha fuerza como siempre, un cálido abrazo desde la distancia Jess, Jimmy & Crew.
This is so exciting to watch!
I just finished my solar array and will be wiring up my shop soon and this gives me inspiration.
Thanks for sharing and as always keep building 👍
I had doubts about your electrics, but as the Monkees say “now I’m a believer”!
Great video guys!!
Brilliant job mate! Only thing I would suggest is that you stick to horizontal and vertical lines with the wires (no diagonals) as youll never know where they are in the wall! If you want to either drill into the walls or say like in 15-20 years you need to rewire, they're sunk in the wall so you'll need to cut channels/channel them out to replace them which is going to be EXTREMELY hard if it's diagonal. But if you know EXACT locations and measurements of where they are horizontally and vertically you can 1. Avoid them and 2. Replace them if you ever get a fault or when the wiring gets old and needs replacing.. for the sake of a few extra feet of wiring I think you'll regret not doing it down the line for sure once the plaster is up as you may end up having to take the whole lot off to find wires if you need access any time .
But great video and you did a fantastic job on it! Your videos are getting better and better!
Looking forward to the next one!!
All the best from London England 👍🏴🇬🇧🙏
Since the wire is buried in dirt or plaster cob stuff don't you have to use a uf-rated Romex "underground rated" love your channel keep them coming
Maybe you can have floor vents where you can open and close according to the temperature you want.
The copper ground wire inside Romex is exposed to various elements compared to the encased conductors. You are using Romex the need for a conduit is important. The bare copper ground wire can easily be exposed tripping the breaker repeatedly.
Please explain. You totally lost me in your comment.
@@KevinCoop1 Romex features a bare copper ground wire inside the cable that is not fully protected by the polyvinyl chloride (PVC) jacket which covers the conductors.
Great video guys. You need 6 inches if wire sticking outside the boxes per code.
You should add a drop box under the eaves for accent lights around the dome under the eaves.
Wow it's coming along fast now. I like 🥰💕🙏
So far so good! Glad to see the inside getting worked on. Stay safe and have a great weekend!
Thank you CB! You and Mrs. Rene take care as well.
Conduit when burying wire for safety and grounding issues. Be safe
Wire needs to be in metal conduit to be safe. Once it is buried in plaster there is a chance of a nail, screw or other metallic object piercing the wire and causing a short circuit or electrical shock.
Edit to add:
I hope you used 3 conductor wire like 12/3 or 14/3 wire to connect the circuits where two or more switches control the same light fixture.
think about a vent fan in the basement to remove any carbon Monoxide
I would not put plaster over the wire because you might want to change up your wiring later or issues could arise and you'll have to hammer it out to replace it. Conduit would be a far better option in my opinion but to each their own.
You should be using plastic or rubber in between the landscaping pins and the wire. The wire pin will wear into the electric wire.
I will definitely try the Grub Terra when I get chicken's again. I was buying the calcium shell's. I would really like to hear more about how you see it working out for the eggs. And, if you notice the feathers changing. So, glad to see your getting sponsors too! Congratulations your hard work is starting to pay you guy's. I think you both are amazing awesome people.
Getting electrical up and running will be exciting
Stream reliefs for going through your metal holes in your box plays protect that wire
WOIW GUYS ITS SO COOL TOO SEE WHEREYOU GOT WHIT THE THOME IT LOOK AMEZING ITS GETTING THERE AM SO APPY FOR YOU GUYS
Ya theres a astronomical amount of electrical stuff. New gange boxes remodeling gang boxes etc etc. If you need gfci outlets just use a gfci breaker then normal stuff plugs etc.the whole line on that circuit is gfci w 1. Each gfci outlet was like 30 bucks each 3 yrs ago
Since you started your diet I can see you doing very well. Keep rolling
How do you plan to do your laundry? Plumbing for kitchen and bathroom? I don't remember you covering that, but then I haven't seen every episode as yet.
So I have been thinking on my build I would uncase the wire in some small PVC piping that way I can get to it in some parts of the house if there happens to be any issues.Cover the pipe in most area with earth.I guess because I had wiring issues in this now rehab...so it makes me think just in case I don't wanna have to rip out the earth and plaster to find the problem if ever a issue.
Id use conduit to protect the wiring in the next house.
Lowes make me mad. When you go do a job. They only keep around 10 things out on the shelves. AND THAT IT! Like are they that low on stock. OR JUST TO TIGHT TO KEEP PLENTY OF THINGS IN BACK , FOR STOREAGE I was needing 7 light switches, and they ONLY HAD 2 😥
Looking forward to seeing the finish going on! 👍👍🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🤘🏻🤘🏻
Put reversible vent fans in your vent pipes to bring in cool air at night and remove hot air day time. That with a carbon monoxide detector.
Good job keep up the good work it’ll be interested to see it finished off inside of you I watching it God bless
“Hey Jess, could you hand me that snake?” “NO, NOT THAT KINDA SNAKE!!”
It's going to be awesome having lighting in the dome
I think it would have been better to run some flexible conduit and pulled wires through that. Maybe draw a layout too?