I bought a panzer 1-6. I had to return it the illumination went out. However Monstrtum sent me another right away.. I'll see how long this last. Thanks for the video.
I’ve been holding off on getting the monstrum 1-10x panzer, it almost seems too good to be true. Also it seems very hard to spot the center at 1x. But I’ve only heard good things about it so I might just go ahead and pick it up.
its not so much whether its too good to be true or not. the question is will YOU get one that doesn't have some kind of issue? when you start dipping into the very low end of the gear market what i noticed goes down in quality is the QC, which honestly isn't that big of a deal as long as said company is responsive (looking at you BCA) and willing to do what it takes to make it right. if the materials and design are good then it comes down to QC to catch all the potential bad ones before they get out. I'm looking at trying one of their prisms myself but only after I've bought the scopes that I really want. Don't want to be wasting time figuring out if the optic is the culprit or not if its the only one i'm going to have.
100% With budget companies, WE are the QC that finds the lemons. That said Monstrum is pretty good for returns and replacements. Maybe because I'm "influencer"? I dunno. I'm hoping to get feedback from you guys.
@@Moondog2Aanother channel did a video on one of the best scopes of its type. They showed that the company threw out a high percentage of the scopes it made do only the best would be sold. As they pointed out, you are not only paying for that scooe you bought, you are paying for all the ones that they threw away. The company doesn't just write them off and take a loss over all. its likely that you could get a monstrum that would do better if you had 15 of them to test. What you said is correct. We are the QC. But on the other hand, how much are the small differences going to actually make if you need to use the weapon. I would expect not enough to justify paying for all those ones that you pay for that were of lesser quality. Monstrum all the way for me personally. I'm just made a 300 order from monstrum. I'm setting up one gun with an lvpo optic, 4 with prism optics, and attachment points for slings. Just saying.
@musek5048 btw, just send it back to get a new one if you have any issue at all. Monstrum has r3placed a open box scope for me...they sent a replacement before I could even mail the old one back.
I'm willing to bet that there is an lvpo that cost ten times what the t6 cost, and is even better. So what. At what point does diminishing returns actually make on hitting a target down range. Also keep in mind that the military using it doesn't mean its the best. It means ot is the nest at yhe lowest price the military was willing to pay for an lvpo that had to meet what ever criteria yhey asked for. That you can buy the monstrum amd have enough money left over to buy a rifle to go with it shows that the military probably isn't eorried about cost as the test of us mear mortals do.
Don't have a Monstrum, but have a Tacticon FFP 1-6 LVPO. Zoom is smooth, glass is clear and the Best part of it is that I had enough $$ left over to spend on more important things like training and ammo. Not trying to knock SIG or any other "name branded" optic, but unless you have the training, skill and nessessity to make spending literally thousands on an optic, it doesn't make sense to do so.
@@thriftysurvivor6117 I understand, it's that I based on my experience with the SFP, I don't have much confidence that the FFP will be optically much better.
the big question to me, is the settling on FFP or SFP. i have a monstrum optic, and i also have a name brand optic, plus few burris lpvos. i agrea 100% with your end result. the $ can be spent with more training and gear. and when the owner is ready to spend some coin , he has a lot of traffic, learning, and experience in his tool box. For me right now, it is trying to decide FFP or SFP . and i keep leaning to SFP , its easier do u have a constant preference on the SFP or FFP? I like Monstrum.
SFP for me. In an urban or suburban castle defense situation, I wont' be realistically engaging anything further than 100yrds. Except for the Arken EP8 all other FFP reticles I've looked through are waaaay too thin at 1x to be useful without max illumination.
@@Moondog2A so basically the only real practical use for FFP scopes is longer ranges? it makes sense for an stardard ar15 setup to run an SFP since the round shoots very flat out to 300 yards give or take. is it true that a cheap budget SFP would be better built that a FFP scope due to the design?
@@harveylin3548 i mean realistically how often are you adjusting your zoom? seems like something you would have to train over and over again to get in the habit of doing.
@musek5048 I don't think "better built" it's just that SFP are less complicated internally, so you can make it cheaply and it'll still be dumb resistant. I fall into the speed shooting camp like 3-guners who tend to favor bold SFP reticles. My LEO buddy who owns the Tango6T in the video prefers a fine reticle because he may be dealing with hostages and doesn't want any obstruction in his field of view for PID.
Thanks a lot for this comparison. VERY ELUCIDATIVE for my own conclusions ... 😉😉 ... If only Panzer could offer a different color ... would be way easier to pick 😉😉
@@Moondog2A an earthy, bronze..., coyote-like finishing (not only black) would be great too 🤗. I was checking monstrum's website and they do come in FDE 😏 but there is no obvious way to pick this color when putting it in the shopping cart.
What I found out thus far, @@Moondog2A it that ... PANZER's FFP is in BLACK only (despite product's description says otherwise) while its identical counterpart, Banshee's SFP (SKU: SB11024X), is in both black and FDE (ones can actually choose either while buying). Strange ...
SIG is really the best. But their pricing is obnoxious and down right stupid. Now I have a Monstrum 1x6 and it's has an etch circle dot reticle. Plane Jane. Simple is better. Let's face it it. It's the best for its purpose and price. I'll recommend it to anyone.
Are you subscribed to my channel? Hopefully this will demonstrate its durability. You might have gotten this video which I published 2 days ago. czcams.com/video/J8sXKSiBIr8/video.html
@@Moondog2A Sorry I meant to be sarcastic. I hope I didn't offend, I love your comparison videos.. I am entertained by James Reeves but I don't have a lawyer's pockets too and find it quite annoying how he easily dismisses anything sub his 4digits/his budget.😅
I bought a Swampfox Green Dot for a pistol. It's really nice except for the fact that it doesn't get nearly bright enough for use on sunny days. That bummed me out
My guy!!!! Your honesty is absolutely refreshing!!!! Outstanding, sir.
I appreciate that! Hope you subscribed.
@@Moondog2A already done. Will be looking forward to new vid notifications.
Thanks so much!
I bought a panzer 1-6. I had to return it the illumination went out. However Monstrtum sent me another right away.. I'll see how long this last. Thanks for the video.
That's good to know. That tells me they're just as responsive to everybody else as they are to me.
love the reticle in the tango more remind me of an acog on the 1x but i would rather have the panzer in the full magnification.
@phiNjustin At 1x I wish both looked more like they do at 10x and then at 10x the center was a finer floating cross hair
The panzer is also a 99% fit on the Antimatter scopeswitch FYI.
AND ANOTHER GREAT VIDEO!!!!!! thanks!!!!!!
Glad you enjoyed it!
ive only seen two of your videos. Definitely worth it. Thanks for no political bs.
You're welcome. Got no beef with either brand. Hope you subscribe.
I’ve been holding off on getting the monstrum 1-10x panzer, it almost seems too good to be true. Also it seems very hard to spot the center at 1x. But I’ve only heard good things about it so I might just go ahead and pick it up.
its not so much whether its too good to be true or not. the question is will YOU get one that doesn't have some kind of issue? when you start dipping into the very low end of the gear market what i noticed goes down in quality is the QC, which honestly isn't that big of a deal as long as said company is responsive (looking at you BCA) and willing to do what it takes to make it right. if the materials and design are good then it comes down to QC to catch all the potential bad ones before they get out. I'm looking at trying one of their prisms myself but only after I've bought the scopes that I really want. Don't want to be wasting time figuring out if the optic is the culprit or not if its the only one i'm going to have.
Had good luck with mine so far, working great.
100% With budget companies, WE are the QC that finds the lemons. That said Monstrum is pretty good for returns and replacements. Maybe because I'm "influencer"? I dunno. I'm hoping to get feedback from you guys.
@@Moondog2Aanother channel did a video on one of the best scopes of its type. They showed that the company threw out a high percentage of the scopes it made do only the best would be sold. As they pointed out, you are not only paying for that scooe you bought, you are paying for all the ones that they threw away. The company doesn't just write them off and take a loss over all. its likely that you could get a monstrum that would do better if you had 15 of them to test. What you said is correct. We are the QC. But on the other hand, how much are the small differences going to actually make if you need to use the weapon. I would expect not enough to justify paying for all those ones that you pay for that were of lesser quality. Monstrum all the way for me personally. I'm just made a 300 order from monstrum. I'm setting up one gun with an lvpo optic, 4 with prism optics, and attachment points for slings. Just saying.
@musek5048 btw, just send it back to get a new one if you have any issue at all. Monstrum has r3placed a open box scope for me...they sent a replacement before I could even mail the old one back.
I'm willing to bet that there is an lvpo that cost ten times what the t6 cost, and is even better. So what. At what point does diminishing returns actually make on hitting a target down range. Also keep in mind that the military using it doesn't mean its the best. It means ot is the nest at yhe lowest price the military was willing to pay for an lvpo that had to meet what ever criteria yhey asked for. That you can buy the monstrum amd have enough money left over to buy a rifle to go with it shows that the military probably isn't eorried about cost as the test of us mear mortals do.
@@rumdog117 Truth
Agreed 👍
Don't have a Monstrum, but have a Tacticon FFP 1-6 LVPO. Zoom is smooth, glass is clear and the Best part of it is that I had enough $$ left over to spend on more important things like training and ammo. Not trying to knock SIG or any other "name branded" optic, but unless you have the training, skill and nessessity to make spending literally thousands on an optic, it doesn't make sense to do so.
100%
If you wouldn't mind, I'd like to see you make a comparison between the Tango 6T and the Tango MSR FFP.
I wasn't too impressed with the Tango MSR SFP.
@@Moondog2A I was asking about the Tango MSR FFP 1-6x24, not the SFP though.
@@thriftysurvivor6117 I understand, it's that I based on my experience with the SFP, I don't have much confidence that the FFP will be optically much better.
Spectre, Panzer, Banshee? Which one has the best glass and features? Why not just make one sfp and one ffp? A video on that would be most appreciated.
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I'm not real happy with my banshee 1-10 very tight eyebox at 10 x
SIG, Vortex, Riton, Nightforce...I have yet to find any 1-10x that doesn't have a tight eyebox at 10x.
the big question to me, is the settling on FFP or SFP. i have a monstrum optic, and i also have a name brand optic, plus few burris lpvos. i agrea 100% with your end result. the $ can be spent with more training and gear. and when the owner is ready to spend some coin , he has a lot of traffic, learning, and experience in his tool box. For me right now, it is trying to decide FFP or SFP . and i keep leaning to SFP , its easier do u have a constant preference on the SFP or FFP? I like Monstrum.
If my LPVO is less than 10x, then SPF doesn't matter. I have both and I use them at the max most of the time anyways.
SFP for me. In an urban or suburban castle defense situation, I wont' be realistically engaging anything further than 100yrds. Except for the Arken EP8 all other FFP reticles I've looked through are waaaay too thin at 1x to be useful without max illumination.
@@Moondog2A so basically the only real practical use for FFP scopes is longer ranges? it makes sense for an stardard ar15 setup to run an SFP since the round shoots very flat out to 300 yards give or take. is it true that a cheap budget SFP would be better built that a FFP scope due to the design?
@@harveylin3548 i mean realistically how often are you adjusting your zoom? seems like something you would have to train over and over again to get in the habit of doing.
@musek5048 I don't think "better built" it's just that SFP are less complicated internally, so you can make it cheaply and it'll still be dumb resistant.
I fall into the speed shooting camp like 3-guners who tend to favor bold SFP reticles. My LEO buddy who owns the Tango6T in the video prefers a fine reticle because he may be dealing with hostages and doesn't want any obstruction in his field of view for PID.
Yeah, the Sig is much clearer and easier to see through. The clarity is amazing. That said, I'm still not spending SIG money man
Well said!
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@@Moondog2A I'm sub'd
Is the TANGO6T what my son will train with at Lackland AFB? He will be there later this month.
Good for him and thanks for raising a good son!
Thanks a lot for this comparison. VERY ELUCIDATIVE for my own conclusions ... 😉😉 ... If only Panzer could offer a different color ... would be way easier to pick 😉😉
Wihch color?
@@Moondog2A an earthy, bronze..., coyote-like finishing (not only black) would be great too 🤗. I was checking monstrum's website and they do come in FDE 😏 but there is no obvious way to pick this color when putting it in the shopping cart.
@@renatosureal I saw that they had some in painted FDE. Does that also come in the newer reticles?
What I found out thus far, @@Moondog2A it that ... PANZER's FFP is in BLACK only (despite product's description says otherwise) while its identical counterpart, Banshee's SFP (SKU: SB11024X), is in both black and FDE (ones can actually choose either while buying). Strange ...
SIG is really the best. But their pricing is obnoxious and down right stupid. Now I have a Monstrum 1x6 and it's has an etch circle dot reticle. Plane Jane. Simple is better. Let's face it it. It's the best for its purpose and price. I'll recommend it to anyone.
Wise words
I don't dispute the quality, but we're all paying mostly for the brand.
What about durability in the field? Or after a few hundred rounds?
Are you subscribed to my channel? Hopefully this will demonstrate its durability. You might have gotten this video which I published 2 days ago. czcams.com/video/J8sXKSiBIr8/video.html
@@Moondog2A thanks! I subscribed after I watched this one. I'll check other videos out.
So for someone on a budget would you place the Panzer above the MSR?
The Panzer is half the price so yes.... though I do prefer the reticle on the Sig MSR.
@@Moondog2AThanks for sharing your thoughts on this.
yes the panzer is a little better.
@@jonboyhst6448 Thanks for sharing your opinion.
If you are James Reeves of course you will go for Night Force.
If I have as many subscribers as TFB, I would too.
@@Moondog2A Sorry I meant to be sarcastic. I hope I didn't offend, I love your comparison videos.. I am entertained by James Reeves but I don't have a lawyer's pockets too and find it quite annoying how he easily dismisses anything sub his 4digits/his budget.😅
No offense taken. I could tell you were being funny.
I love NF stuff, I sincerely do. My wallet though, nope, ain't having it.
A 2200$ scope beats out a 126$ panzer aye? 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Shocked. Shocked I say.
@@Moondog2A at the extra price of a new Daniel Defense MK18 attached to the scope! Mwahahaha 😆
@@mobilegamersunite A DD Mk18 is a nice "accessory" for a Panzer
@MoondogIndustries so is a Armalite tac16 308 😉
Wow! Monstrum is pretty damn close for $200.... I prefer my Swampfox Tomahawk 1-4 because I like SFP on lpvos.... sorry, not sorry.
I heard good things about Swampfox.
I bought a Swampfox Green Dot for a pistol. It's really nice except for the fact that it doesn't get nearly bright enough for use on sunny days. That bummed me out
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I'm not buying any scope made in China
Then you gotta go with Leupold or US Optics
Then I guess you wont be buying much of anything in the future 😂😂😂😂.
Made in USA is overrated.
China is getting better with optics. some are really good now.