my family violin was originally made this way in 1903 . 3 generations one violin . I like the lack of weight of fine tuners on the tail piece makes a strong bright sound , I have had other violins none have the ease of tuning or stay in tune as well . fun to see it's not alone in the world .
Hi dean herbig the biggest advantage of these tuning keys is that unlike friction pegs, they're not made out of Ebony which is a rather endangered material, instead they're metal & plastic which is a material that's constantly being recycled.
I’d added ukulele machine heads to my violin. Perfect length pegs. A little heavier than wooden, but worth the lack of frustration from slipped wooden pegs
1:53 Machine Head Tuners are far more superior than those obsolete Friction Tuners cause they turn more smoothly plus you can eliminate fine tuners from the Tailpiece which will liven the sound up. The Headstock on this Violin is made out of Plastic & the friction Tuners don't work good in that material, but Machine Head Tuners do.
The Original Geared Tuning machines for Violin (Guitar style tuners) were Open Geared so they're not as heavy as you might think (as if they were closed gear).
It reminds me of those 18th or 19th century Guitar Style Tuning Keys on a Violin, & that idea is catching on again because they're far more superior than friction pegs.
If you parents buy your kids a Violin, Viola, or Cello I reccomend replacing the friction pegs w/ Geared tuners as well as removing the fine tuners from the Tailpiece because not only will tuning it be easier, it'll vibrate more freely.
A friend of mine named Marijke Ras made a Steampunk Violin & because there's a crack near the hole of the 2nd String Tuning Peg, she went w/ Geared Tuners (Ukulele Machine Heads) which act as pegs w/ built in fine tuners that never slip. Funny thing Double Basses always come w/ these Machine heads & lots of companies call these Tuning keys "Easy Tune machine heads".
Weather you're a beginner or expert I recommend getting machine head tuners installed on your Violin because tuning will be alot simpler plus you won't need fine tuners anymore. The original tuning machines for Violin are Open geared (not closed gear) so they're not that heavy.
Wheel Nelson What brand of Violin is this in the Video? The Machine Heads are a big improvement over the Friction Pegs cause 1) they stay put, & 2) they're basically pegs & fine tuners in 1 piece meaning you can get rid of the fine tuners from the Tailpiece & allow the instrument to vibrate more freely.
The Machine Head tuners not only look great, but they work great too. They should phase out all the friction pegs & fine tuners, & just stick to using the fresh new Guitar style tuning machines. Compared to the Perfection pegs, these ones are more functional because you can use a string winder to crank them for easier string change.
@UCsrGAG_kcQseFhfLnT4IByw The other cool thing about Geared Tuners is that they're not made out of Ebony (or any common wood used for these pegs) cause it's an endangered material. These Tuners are more Eco friendly cause they're made out of Recycled Metal & plastic, plus they enhance the instrument sound by putting the strings at a little bit sharper angle.
I used tuners with a shaft of 10mm, but I have an issue with the A string : I can I put the string thourg the "pegs" when there is no space between the "pegs" and the scroll ? How did you manage that ?
Mechanical tuners seem like a good update plus they look more modern. Interestingly for Baroque Violin they now make Synthetic Strings as a replacement for Gut Strings.
dean herbig those are Guitar Style Violin Tuning Keys which act as Pegs & Fine tuners all in one device. The idea of using Guitar Style Tuners on a Violin, Viola, or Cello is starting to catch on because of how much easier they turn.
@OscarStern723 I recommend real gut strings, however. I put gut on my classical guitar... the sound is both darker, louder and has more organic overtones. I'm building a talharpa and I'm glad to see that ordering guitar tuners was the right call.
@UCsrGAG_kcQseFhfLnT4IByw Violinists, Violists, & Cellists would rather have Geared Tuners & they're way more comfortable these days due to a lot of updates.
@@deanherbig9178 They're fairly lighter weight (you no longer need fine tuners, way more modern), the cost has gone down so they're much more affordable these days, & finally more people want to see a more modern looking instrument these days due to changes in tradition.
@@deanherbig9178 That's the most interesting thing about Guitar style Tuners for Violin, Viola, & Cello. Because they're not tapered, they slide in smoothly & are held in by Screws. Way way better than friction pegs.
@@deanherbig9178 It reminds me of those 18th & 19th century Guitar Style Tuning Keys for Violin, Viola, & Cello that were developed as an alternative to the Friction Pegs because they turn more smoothly.
@@ajg8600 I'd imagine that every size of Violin, Viola, & Cello would benifit from Geared Tuners (as well as the removal of fine tuners from the Tailpiece) cause they'd stay in tune better & they'll not slip.
@@FraiyiaOscar Stern here. I'm afraid they'll have to discontinue all the fricton pegs and fine tuners for Violin, Viola, and Cello (and many others too), & just stick to the brand new Guitar style machine head tuners cause they never slip, they stay put. Things have changed over the years so that it gets simpler.
@@Fraiyia Machine head tuners are a good permanant solution to sticking pegs cause they turn smoothly. Rock on & #StayHealthy. Remember the Yamahah EV-205? It has machine heads as well.
my family violin was originally made this way in 1903 . 3 generations one violin . I like the lack of weight of fine tuners on the tail piece makes a strong bright sound , I have had other violins none have the ease of tuning or stay in tune as well . fun to see it's not alone in the world .
These mechanical pegs bypass the need to have fine tuners on the Tailpiece. They actually look like flattened Pegs.
Hi dean herbig the biggest advantage of these tuning keys is that unlike friction pegs, they're not made out of Ebony which is a rather endangered material, instead they're metal & plastic which is a material that's constantly being recycled.
I’d added ukulele machine heads to my violin. Perfect length pegs. A little heavier than wooden, but worth the lack of frustration from slipped wooden pegs
1:53 Machine Head Tuners are far more superior than those obsolete Friction Tuners cause they turn more smoothly plus you can eliminate fine tuners from the Tailpiece which will liven the sound up. The Headstock on this Violin is made out of Plastic & the friction Tuners don't work good in that material, but Machine Head Tuners do.
Wheel Nelson These machine head tuners are feather light weight which means it's not that heavy.
I did this once. Worked great but made the scroll end to heavy. Switched to Wittner fine tuners. More expensive but OHHHHH so worth it.
The Original Geared Tuning machines for Violin (Guitar style tuners) were Open Geared so they're not as heavy as you might think (as if they were closed gear).
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It reminds me of those 18th or 19th century Guitar Style Tuning Keys on a Violin, & that idea is catching on again because they're far more superior than friction pegs.
It kinda looks like the Violins from a Hupfeld Phonolist Violina w/ Geared Tuners.
If you parents buy your kids a Violin, Viola, or Cello I reccomend replacing the friction pegs w/ Geared tuners as well as removing the fine tuners from the Tailpiece because not only will tuning it be easier, it'll vibrate more freely.
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A friend of mine named Marijke Ras made a Steampunk Violin & because there's a crack near the hole of the 2nd String Tuning Peg, she went w/ Geared Tuners (Ukulele Machine Heads) which act as pegs w/ built in fine tuners that never slip. Funny thing Double Basses always come w/ these Machine heads & lots of companies call these Tuning keys "Easy Tune machine heads".
The Violins in the Hupfeld Phonolist Violina have Geared tuners too so that helps with tuning.
Rubner makes something like that
Weather you're a beginner or expert I recommend getting machine head tuners installed on your Violin because tuning will be alot simpler plus you won't need fine tuners anymore. The original tuning machines for Violin are Open geared (not closed gear) so they're not that heavy.
Wheel Nelson What brand of Violin is this in the Video? The Machine Heads are a big improvement over the Friction Pegs cause 1) they stay put, & 2) they're basically pegs & fine tuners in 1 piece meaning you can get rid of the fine tuners from the Tailpiece & allow the instrument to vibrate more freely.
The Machine Head tuners not only look great, but they work great too. They should phase out all the friction pegs & fine tuners, & just stick to using the fresh new Guitar style tuning machines. Compared to the Perfection pegs, these ones are more functional because you can use a string winder to crank them for easier string change.
@UCsrGAG_kcQseFhfLnT4IByw
The other cool thing about Geared Tuners is that they're not made out of Ebony (or any common wood used for these pegs) cause it's an endangered material. These Tuners are more Eco friendly cause they're made out of Recycled Metal & plastic, plus they enhance the instrument sound by putting the strings at a little bit sharper angle.
What brand of Violin is this?
It look like an upright bass 😆
I used tuners with a shaft of 10mm, but I have an issue with the A string : I can I put the string thourg the "pegs" when there is no space between the "pegs" and the scroll ? How did you manage that ?
I think they drilled some new holes for the strings
I need to do this, more durable and no more slipping pegs. >:V
Yep no more slipping pegs, no worries.
I have a violin from the 1800s with mechanical tuners . so easy so stable,
Mechanical tuners seem like a good update plus they look more modern. Interestingly for Baroque Violin they now make Synthetic Strings as a replacement for Gut Strings.
dean herbig those are Guitar Style Violin Tuning Keys which act as Pegs & Fine tuners all in one device. The idea of using Guitar Style Tuners on a Violin, Viola, or Cello is starting to catch on because of how much easier they turn.
@OscarStern723 I recommend real gut strings, however.
I put gut on my classical guitar... the sound is both darker, louder and has more organic overtones.
I'm building a talharpa and I'm glad to see that ordering guitar tuners was the right call.
@UCsrGAG_kcQseFhfLnT4IByw
Violinists, Violists, & Cellists would rather have Geared Tuners & they're way more comfortable these days due to a lot of updates.
Screwing the Tuning keys in is easy.
Wheel Nelson I just replaced the Friction Pegs on my 5 String Cello w/ Machine Heads:czcams.com/video/NFG7KhnH5TI/video.html
If I make a violin in my time then I’m doing it this way.
These tuning machines seem more modern which means you don't need fine tuners, plus they stay put. They make Guitar style machine heads for Violin.
Mawo Duffer Machine Head Tuners for Violin are readily available:internationalviolin.com/ProductDetail/7601_violin-machine-heads-44sz-brass
Do I need to increase the size of the peg holes to make this work?
mine are smaller than normal pegs
@@deanherbig9178 They're fairly lighter weight (you no longer need fine tuners, way more modern), the cost has gone down so they're much more affordable these days, & finally more people want to see a more modern looking instrument these days due to changes in tradition.
@@deanherbig9178 That's the most interesting thing about Guitar style Tuners for Violin, Viola, & Cello. Because they're not tapered, they slide in smoothly & are held in by Screws. Way way better than friction pegs.
@@deanherbig9178 It reminds me of those 18th & 19th century Guitar Style Tuning Keys for Violin, Viola, & Cello that were developed as an alternative to the Friction Pegs because they turn more smoothly.
what kind of guitar tuners are those
Hukman! Generic classical guitar tuners lol
@@ajg8600 I'd imagine that every size of Violin, Viola, & Cello would benifit from Geared Tuners (as well as the removal of fine tuners from the Tailpiece) cause they'd stay in tune better & they'll not slip.
What guitar tuners do you use? I need to do this because I am ready to smash my violin and burn it!
They're just Classical Machine heads. But now you can get Machine head tuners for Violin that we call "Tommy Jarrell Style Tuners".
CircuitsAndStrings 2 Mr Stern oh dude , I put in the tuners and yea, way better .
@@FraiyiaOscar Stern here. I'm afraid they'll have to discontinue all the fricton pegs and fine tuners for Violin, Viola, and Cello (and many others too), & just stick to the brand new Guitar style machine head tuners cause they never slip, they stay put. Things have changed over the years so that it gets simpler.
@CircuitsAndStrings 2 Mr Stern took care of it already . It now has classical guitar tuners .
@@Fraiyia Machine head tuners are a good permanant solution to sticking pegs cause they turn smoothly. Rock on & #StayHealthy. Remember the Yamahah EV-205? It has machine heads as well.