Dean Zimmerman - How Does God Relate to Time?
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- čas přidán 4. 01. 2016
- What is the relationship between God and time? Does God exist in time, being everlasting, without beginning or end?
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Professor Zimmerman explains many thing’s so well. Thank you.
You are all good people. You ponder on the basic questions.
So True. Godda LIVE
This guy has it correct in my opinion. God is more likely timeless in being separate from time as we know it or created time, but that doesn't mean there isn't a divine time that's something way beyond our time that we cannot comprehend. We need not default to timelessness, but rather a time that's divine and beyond human comprehension.
What if god is time? Time is eternal, time is infinite, everything exists inside the grasp of time and time is everywhere and in everyone, anywhere at the same time. Time is the movement that proves we are live and this movement doesn't stop after we pass away, it was with us at birth and it is with us after we die. But don't think of time as something passive. It sees everything, it hears everything because it is everything.
Could Quantum Mechanics represents the physics of ‘time’ as a process of continuous energy exchange formed by the spontaneous absorption and emission of light? With the future coming into existence with each new photon electron coupling or dipole moment within the reference frame and relative to the atoms of each individual object it can seem logical!
God is the creator time the universe and everything in and around it is his creation he is outside the limits of time as it says in his word 🙏 For a thousand years in Your sight Are like yesterday when it is past, And like a watch in the night.
Psalms 90:4 NKJV
What if God is time itself, I mean think about it, what rules over time itself. Nothing. And theres nothing that isnt subject to time... Just my two cents/sence..
My thoughts exactly. What if time as we know it is just an image of a divine time that's a part of his nature, just as love is real in our universe, but there is a divine love that's part of his nature that transcends the love in this universe. Maybe God's time is the only real time and our time is a mere reflection of that, just like our love is only a mere reflection of his.
Does he argue what grounds this non-physical time of if it also had an origin?
God is a mystery and that is how it should remain forever, as an endless mystery with no end.
Attempts to express the concept of time prior to the creation of time always fail for obvious reasons. If (as seems to be the case) the universe consists of and encompasses all of space and time then rather than talking about things being 'before' the existence of time one needs to talk more broadly about circumstances in or states of some 'metaverse' which precedes and encapsulate the universe. Conceptually this is not really a problem, but we don't really have words in our language to use a shorthand for this.
In such a metaverse words like 'was', 'is', 'before', 'after' are meaningless.
Isn't time a set(s) of mechanics for measuring, that is bound by the imagination of man? Maybe it is observable but restrained by our own comprehensive limitations. Also, is the past a lesson for observing the future? Should it be expected that the future is no more of a set of possibilities than the past is? We as humans are in a limited capacity of understanding and are more bewildered by the creation around us than we are in a state of confidence. Possibilities are like choice, we can choose to put jelly on bread with our peanut butter. But can we choose who we are as we were born into what we are? What we think is a possibility, is more of a certainty to God. Also, is time a part of God or is it a creation of God? To be a part of God would be a restraint or containment making God bound to the mechanics. Being created by God would mean that the mechanics of time are circumstantially bound to the Will of God, as is all of what has been created. Understanding who or what God is, stands well outside our limited capacity to grasp. Mankind has pondered upon the notion of God from the very beginning to which conclusion arrived into many different religious and philosophical beliefs. All possibly flawed to a science in their methodology. The only way to perceive time is by an ordinary use of by the 24 hour, 7 day, 12 month and years as can be applied now. As far as God is concerned, well God is ineffable and all we can bear to understand is what God's will is for Mankind as it has been revealed.
My problem is, I can't even visualize Einstein's Space-Time continuum. How can I grasp a deeper reality, e.g., "time before big-bang". ? i m worried.
Don't worry
If you still did not figure it out, here it is. Think of time as movement instead of anything else. So what this means for the two particles to collide and create the explosion known as big bang, it needed movement to occur. Thus to this movement existed before the big bang 🥰
To me:
"Space" is pure energy itself;
"Time" is the flow of that energy.
What if i say... Actually God was Time... And The Time created Everything
☝️God live in 11 Dimension..
Check out a book entitled "One Second and Now" by Todd Fries on Amazon.com. It relates to God and time.
Will check it out
Is he related to Han Zimmerman
i also thought that 😂😂
4:48 to 4:50 = Mood.
Hi Alex, I'm just wondering why on so many different comments that people put the time on it?
So God is just a theory of how time created everything from a similarity ?
one like for this video for making me laugh
Why did he chose that time as perfect to do the big bang , well we are not sure if there were any more big bangs happened before , in different universes . I think there exists a time line beyond our universe .
We don't even know if there was a Big Bang.
Modern science recognizes a singularity that banged, which then created the current laws of nature, which then created matter and everything in this universe, including us with our supposed consciousness.
Now, do we even exist per se, OR does only this singularity exist in the form of all things, including the laws of nature and including us and including this consciousness that we perceive that we have?
Same perceived reality, two different perspectives. Which one is truly correct? Are they both correct depending upon perspectives?
We physically perceive this universe with our limited senses and technologies, and we don't perceive "God". And yet, with our consciousness, ("spiritually"), we can perceive that "God" may actually exist and be everywhere for anything including us and our consciousness to even exist. Physical sciences that only study the physical universe may possibly never ever find "God". (Especially since they can't create "God" in a lab at their own will).
it is true that the past and the future are inaccessible to us, but does that mean that past is unreal?
And this amounts to is Queen Victoria unreal? Or William Shakespeare unreal? Or Julius Caesar unreal?
I think not. They did exist, their time is inaccessible to us but they are not unreal.
Even "God" would have a "time" before a thought, a "time" during a thought, and a "time" after a thought. (Assuming "God" actually exists and "thinks"). But, even if "God" exists but is not truly "eternally consciously existent", then even "God's" existence and all that "God" may have done and/or not done, would all ultimately be meaningless too, as one day there wouldn't be a conscious entity left to eternally care. Life would just be an illusion as far as eternity would be concerned. (Like it appears to be for us).
Charles Brightman, you lost me on the last part of your statement. Since there is existing universe and life as we know it,including ourselves, Then the existence of God would be a God who is nessesary (excuse my spelling.) being and the author of life. which would suggest that God is life unto himself. From everlasting to everlasting.
+Carlos Smith (From the other video's reply to you brought here too):
Personally, I believe those in power want to stay in power, it's not about the real truth, Trinity or otherwise. But then, it appears we still all die one day from something and then apparently forget everything we ever knew and experienced. This includes this occurring even to those in power.
I had condensed all of space and time down into a single diagram and then analyzed it. Utilizing Occam's razor, an entity I call "God" does exist and is most probably everywhere and in everything for it to even exist. Nothing at all could exist without "God". Think of it as pure energy that is everywhere and in everything that modern science says cannot be created nor destroyed, hence eternally existent. One thing an eternally consciously existent entity could never ever do is to personally experience a total cessation of conscious existence, and yet, that just happens to be the one very thing we as humans, as well as many other species, cannot apparently escape. Coincidence? Maybe. Or maybe "God" experiences conscious death through entities that come into conscious existence and then cease to consciously exist. It's the only way how "God" could experience "conscious death" is by how it is apparently being done. But with Occam's razor, just because something is possible and maybe even highly probable, does not automatically mean it's really true, just that it is highly probably true.
What exactly matters into eternity and to whom does it exactly matter to? "God" alone? and/or "Me" too? and/or "Some other entity or entities"? OR "To no eternally consciously existent entity at all"?
If no eternally consciously existent entity truly exists, (not even "God"), then all of existence is just an illusion as far as eternity is concerned, even "God's" existence if "God" truly exists but is not truly eternally consciously existent. Everything "God" may have done and/or not done would ultimately be meaningless as one day there wouldn't be a conscious entity left for it all to matter to.
If an entity such as "God" truly exists and is truly eternally consciously existent, but I am not, (which the current analysis appears to indicate that when my physical brain dies, so does my consciousness, for eternity too), then all of my life is just an illusion to me from my human perspective as far as eternity is concerned.
If I truly do have an actual eternal conscious existence somehow, someway, somewhere, in some state of existence, then I will either be eternally alone, or more probably still just an individual in a society of individuals. Conscious entities have choices: Help, Neutral, Hurt, and to whom to Help, Neutral, Hurt. There are those who choose to sacrifice others for their own agendas. We will probably have to deal with assholes for literally eternity. I am not so sure I would want that if I had a choice. Maybe I don't have a choice, maybe I do. It's also possible that my conscious death is "God's" final blessing upon me so I don't have to personally experience an actual eternal conscious existence in actual reality.
But, eternal or not, how do we, individually and as a society of individuals, want to exist while we do exist? Apparently we have choices. (With all the consequences and ramifications, seen and unseen, of all those choices, plus whatever nature can do to and/or for us). But then, we still apparently all die in the end. What exactly will we remember after we die? Currently it appears nothing at all, whether the Trinity exists or not.
+Charles Brightman I respect your view on the issue of death. Yeah, your right. Death is very much a reality. But I'm proposing that what if it wasn't supposed to be this way? What if this universe is unnatural?
+Carlos Smith Where is it mandated that "God" always and forever has to act logically?
I find it interesting that this guy surmises the universe consists of only four dimensions and then proceeds to try to describe his philosophy of time based on observation from within the constraints of time. I do not think that he would get a lot of support for his theory if you were to ask a physicist. He is continually referring to before and after and even linear time is not a feature of existence prayer to the singularity or big bang if you want to call it that.
Time is a tool for humans and a day is so much more but most of us are lazy and wast away this gift of a tool we have made and still adding hotdogs day and cat day and pizza day; I mean my God fjb.
Accepting A theory, plus that God is in time, we reach to the very strange conclusion that God doesn't even know what He'll think in the future, and that in certain sense God doesn't know himself and evolves through time, for there's no future! How that God can be perfect? It would be like He improvises on his own creation with very lousy back up information to put His plan to work, making very hard to see how Eschatology is even possible. Of course to say that God is not in time is also difficult, at least for christians, for then it would be hard to explain the life of Jesus in this temporal world or the Holy Spirit (that must operate in time). My clue is that God is inside and outside time, the Father and the Son are outside, the Holy Spirit is in time. How the same God can be inside and outside time? Here's the mistery, all we seem to have is an appeal to the persons of the Trinity.
Of course is hard to accept B theory, for it would put in check the whole idea of free will, but we don't need to assume that God is in time plus A theory to guarantee free will, as far as I see the matter. If the Father is outside time, and set a kind of necessary multiple choice myriad of paths to each possible future person in the moment of creation, then we assure the freedom to choose the "narrow door", that God is all knowing (not because He knows which path we will take at moment t, but because He knows all the possible paths one can take) and also that his plan will be fufilled up necessity, independent if we choose to obey his will or not.
Beneath your question about perfection is that perfection means that the future has to be settled. Perfection, biblically speaking, is moral perfection. Your view was first posited by Plato in the republic.
What’s wrong with having a new thought? How does that make God imperfect? Plato thought any change would be from perfection. So God, as Christians adopted the thought, can never learn about the choices of free creatures or have a new thought himself. So God knows all that he will ever know or think.
This make eternity finite, firstly. All the information that will ever exist already exists.
Secondly, God can not be creative. We admire creativity in ourselves but call it imperfection in God.
The way he talk make me want to sleep
All of science's ideas about time may be based on what happens in the (a) matrix, and so are not known. Since we have no real evidence for an objective world science studies, science's ideas about time aren't even supported by evidence.
So the B series is not supported by evidence, and it's nutty on its face.
I like Zimmerman's (and I guess Leftow's) thoughts on the A series.
Time is time whether you have a clock or not, just count to 10 in your head and you know time has passed so if God exists he must know of uniform time keeping, the fuzzy time keeping that is talked about here doesn't make sense. If he existed before the universe began (if it did) you get back to the questions what was God doing before time, why did God decide to create the Universe when it was created? So much conjecture with no evidence, I don't see the point in it all if it's unprovable aside from making people feel better about things..
Hmm the heart is beating as the clock is ticking
Is it just me, or did none of that make any sense?
How does Borkish Tortikular Obithmusula relate to time?
God is not temporal. Humans live in the future and the past god is only in the present. God is ineffable and and doesnt exist of matter. God is not a name its an action. God is the I am . If we exist god does not if god exists we do not.
Assuming "God" exists, what limits "God" to always and forever act logically? Wouldn't one of "God's" fundamental choices would be to choose whether to act logically or illogically?
Charles Brightman, God's nature forbids Him to act or do anything relational. If you would like to get to know Him, come to Him in honesty and humility and ask Him. Also I suggest you read the Bible, starting with the new testament.
+Carlos Smith "irrational"- sorry for the misspelling.
+Carlos Smith This is the internet, don't worry about spelling, it's the content of the message that matters more.
I have personally studied numerous translations of the canonized scriptures, plus non-canonized writings, plus even heretical documents. It appears that through a lengthy analysis, that my parents, the religious institutions I have attended, and society in general have all lied to me. Some maybe unintentionally, some maybe not. I have apparently discerned something that many people over almost two thousand years have yet to admit to discerning. They would have to give up their power and authority if they did so and is most probably why they don't do so publically.
I just replied to you on the other video post, that same message applies here too.
+Charles Brightman I really appreciate your thoughtfulness, opened mindedness and over all intellect. You seem to have put some thought in this subject and, what is ultimate reality? If God does exist, (which I find completely convincing, through my personal experience.) He is ultimate reality and the source through which all knowledge is derived. From reading your responses, you sound like a scientist or science major, or maybe interested in the subject. I enjoy science as well. May I ask, are you an agonist or do you believe it is possible that a personal God could exist?
+Carlos Smith The short answer, "yes" I do believe an entity I call "God" does in fact exist and is most probably everywhere and in everything for it to even exist. Think of "God" as being pure energy that is everywhere and in everything that allows anything at all to exist. Modern science says that energy cannot be created nor destroyed, hence eternally existent. (Unless modern science is wrong about pure energy and it was created at least one time in it's history). Think of "God" being like that.
I used to be an aircraft mechanic and chief inspector for an airline. Also had been in quality auditing traveling to different countries even to do audits. Plus being in the USN, plus college. Being diagnosed with advanced cancer back in 2003 and given two years to live with a less than five percent chance of living beyond two years in 2004, and still being here, has given me a lot of time to think and study and ponder "God", the universe, life, and the afterlife. I even wrote a book about it back in 2012. Only self published it with about 30 or so hard copies, numerous thumb drive copies, and I've been told even a copy of it in the cloud.
At this stage in my life I wanted to try to discern the real truth. Not the "truth" we have been fed, but the real truth.
Currently it appears that we should try to enjoy life in socially acceptable ways, (to try to stay out of trouble with society), but then we all still die in the end from something, a death that apparently will last into a very real eternity. We will forget everything we ever knew and experienced. Then one day, we will all be forgotten. If you or anybody else has any different info concerning the above, please share it with me and the world. (But, have evidence to back up your claims, at a minimum, intangible evidence of logic and reason based upon truth).
But, my analysis also includes that it may be possible that we don't even exist at all and only "God" exists as all things. So, how could I ever cease to exist if I never existed at all in the first place?
Modern science says that energy cannot be created nor destroyed. Modern science says that a big bang and a singularity is the cause of everything in existence in this universe, including the forces of nature that it operates by. Modern science says that we have cells in our body that come into existence on a daily basis.
So, I have energy inside me that is older than the universe itself as well as cells that come into existence on a daily basis. (And so do you). I am a part of the mass that banged and am a part of the singularity. (And so are you). (Unless modern science is wrong of course). If ever asked my age, what age do you want me to be? Part of me is older than the universe itself and part of me is being born anew on a daily basis. Pick an age anywhere between eternity and now.
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