This was the CRAZIEST siege defense - Bannerlord Siege Tactics
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- čas přidán 28. 05. 2024
- This came from a world conquest attempt that ended up failing, but had some really epic battles including this insane 30-minute siege defense! I cut out all the boring stuff - hope you enjoy and maybe learn something!
0:00 - Setup Phase
1:19 - Siege Starts
4:45 - Abandoned Walls Defense In Action
8:36 - Sally Out First Time
11:41 - Sally Out Second Time
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when you take out the enemy nobles, the troops sometimes get stuck at their last "command". if that command was charge, you fight. if it was hold, then they just sit there...
This game could be great if these sieges weren’t buggy as hell I hate when I destroy their walls and starve them out but I lose because they game doesn’t want to give me the hundreds of archers o brought
@@armondshakir3655 choose your troops mod
@@septicbooger console
@@armondshakir3655 rip
@@armondshakir3655 does the game not focus spawn the top listed troops in your troop tab? For example if you have archers moved to right under your character in the troops tab, shouldn't they spawn with priority? It was like that in warband
I had one of 284 vs 2750 and I won with 4 men left in castle, Was the roughest battle I ever fought. But I destroyed valandia at the end of it
Lol wow, those 4 deserve a raise for sure!!
Have to say, your decision to consolidate channels seems to be paying off. Not only is the content coming thick and fast, but its diverse and entertaining too. Great work buddy
Thanks, I'm glad you're enjoying these! It's a bit less stressful as well :)
I had kind of a similar scenario once where the enemy didn't want to use their siege tower. Fortunately I had a high damage axe on me and demolished the tower by hand. Then they decided to try the gate.
Ah man, I wish I took out the siege tower than because the defense setup was working so well for the first wave :(
Imagine going to a siege and seeing the enemy lord destroy a siege tower by himself, i would give up immediatly
@@matheusexpedito4577 On the other hand, the enemy lord wouldn't do that if the troops outside weren't already braindead standing in front of their tower.
@@Mowraq even worse, kwnowing his troops have no brain he would retreat or die
Recently I had around 600 troops defend against roughly 2200 troops. It took over an hour and I thought I was going to lose multiple times. Was really fun
Azincourt in a nutshell
I always loved Siege in Bannerlord. Even when they were totally busted
I love siege defences, like the ones you can actually participate in! This one was a great one too! There was a sincere lack of shields and it kept me in the edge of my seat! You truely are a master tactician
I’m glad you decided to post more content on this channel, I am really enjoying all the new uploads :) can’t wait for more from you
Every few months I return to this video. It reminds me that with enough practice in the tactical commands I can defend any fief.
The auto-deploy function is the enemy in seige defence.
There should be seige time limits like in total war. Just so if the AI gets stuck the player doesnt get trapped. Both sides can reset from a base point in the next battle so its fair
Use the catapult yourself and destroy 400 vs 3000 xd
Your videos really makes me wanna play bannerlord all day man
My favorite sport is brochetting the enemy captains with the ballista tbh
First of all, let me say, this was SUCH a fun stream to be a part of.
Chat, and Strat (nice rhyme haha) were brainstorming for roughly ~1 hour as to how to complete this siege. One of the suggestions that was discussed was exactly this, hop on the catapults, and do some damage? When Strat went to check the other side (in the video, it's where the guy standing at the top of the siege tower lowers his shield, and takes a javelin to the face) we discovered the only remaining source of catapult ammunition was the drop stones right above the main gate. Everything else was used up.
We briefly thought about dropping stones off the siege tower, but the time it would have taken was just ridiculous, so Strat improvised the shield wall and the rest is history haha
@Matt K was this on YT or Twitch? I used to get stream notifications on YT for Strat but I haven't been lately and I have no idea why.
I guess it's a learning curve for the aiming but I am so bad with the catapults. I always let the AI use them or we don't destroy any siege engines.
Ah yes, the out of early access fully functional game.
Bugs aside, good stuff as usual man
Lol you should have seen the last 2 hours around where this clip was pulled from - 3+ crashes, a glitch kicking me off the walls and falling to my death which ended the campaign (death enabled, lost the siege and died, ironman mode, about 12 hours of play wasted). Like Forest Gump said, "You never know what you're gonna get"
@@Strat-Guides do you think the bug in this video is caused by a mod (maybe rbm ai module if you have it) or by the native game?
btw take saves of your ironman games so your games will be bug proof.
@@shooter5439 it was full vanilla, which is, mildly, annoying
happy that there are mods that makes crashes even more common
@@areyoufcknkiddinme thanks for the information. i am going to play the game after 1 year of break with a few mods and I want to avoid bugs and crashes as much as possible but sometimes we can't :/
@@areyoufcknkiddinme I have 60+ hours in game and experienced not even a single crash. But I'm playing on Linux.
This reminds me of a Total War streamer who shows how to play or helps saves and about 75% of the time for siege defense it's abandon the walls and form a small tight defense near the inner area. Too bad we don't have a fatigue mechanic that's part of that reasoning too in Bannerlord.
You must be talking about LegendOfTotalWar, he's also another brilliant tactician when he isn't exploiting lol
@@deathweeler8028 Yep, that's the one.
Man once I saw that little kill box inside with all your archers on the buildings I really wanted the enemy to charge in and die but was sad when they got bugged. When you created a landslide of bodies outside redeemed the siege. awesome video
I think this is the first time that I see the enemy stalling like that.. usually they overrun the castle/city in few minutes 😂 funny to watch and as always awesome content
God I wish there was one of these daily, so interesting, keep up the great work
Damn I thought those siege tower bugs were finally fixed, I haven’t noticed them in recent playthroughs - loved those strats though, btw if you want a better view from up on the battlements I noticed you can pick up a rock and throw it at one of the merlons to break it and get a better line of sight
You should use the ambush system to destroy their siege engines. Then they can only use the ladders, you can even drop down firebombs onto big stacks of enemy infantry and butcher them
Sieges are the most interesting type of battle by far in this game, whether you're attacking or defending
The enemy AI is still way too jank when defending. It ruins a potentional epic fight when they retreat as soon as you break the main doors down or just run around on the walls refusing to fight and you jyst chop them down group by group
@atomknight8361 if they're running around they aren't defending themselves. More kills for me :)
What I find funny is that historically, a 3-to-1 attackers to defenders ratio was pretty much required for a siege. Defensive fortifications and pre-prepared anti-siege constructions/plans meant trying to siege with less than that was just an exercise in futility xD
You’re amazing at the game. Legend
Man, I hope we see 10 hours bannerlord live streams someday again. Loved the first ones.
The other day I managed to win a siege defense with around 300 mid tier troops vs a bit over 3000 mid/high tier troops. The two catapults that I had built in time and the type of castled helped a lot.
Great video, I love to watch this game and get your opinion on the strategies you can put to use. 👏
I played an outnumbered siege defence in Husn Falq recently and I fell back to the inner walls (basically defending 2 open archways in front of the keep). Limited places for archers to make a kill zone but my melee troops survived the first wave and thereafter they only had trash units. Edit, my bad it was at Hubyar not Husn Fulq.
As always thank you for the effort that you put to your videos. And i got a confess to make, i watch your joker experience video once a while cuz it's a masterpiece, i wish more people see that video. Have a great day :).
If you happen to have catapults, it is worth sometimes going for kills and not ram/towers. The thing is AI loses a lot of morale during sieges and you can damage it even more by causing large casualties. They just run away. Repeat until there's no more. Worked fine for me (I say that as a person who wiped the whole map several times)
I don't even need to watch the video, when you see Khalid Bin Waleed you feel sorry for the opposing force no matter how large
I was in a similar scenario as Aserai, I had just taken over a city with 300 soldiers (my side) and not even a week later the enemy came to besiege it with a army of 1000+. Was able to defend the city for over a few ingame months before being forced to surrender.
In 500hrs still haven't managed to persevere with a no cheat/retreatsploit play through, you put me on the edge of my seat
That was fun to watch. So many of these sieges just turn into tower defense like games where it all about archer positioning and mazing lol
With your advice in the past I've been able to hold off 4x1 on siege defense usually at lageta or some city near it. I've never done anything with moving my unit groups around the interior but it looks like you can get pretty crazy with it. I've never engaged the enemy outside the walls and typically do this with a heavy modlist with RBM and De Rei Militae skewed heavily toward ranged troops like the fian champion.
Yeah I don't normally recommend leaving the walls if you have a good unit mix, but in this scenario I had mostly trash units and had to even the odds somehow. I'm surprised at how well the archer militia did!
Beautiful siege defence!
Perfect example of tactics and game play
Others have said it, but destroying their tower or picking up a bow and killing archers usually does the trick for me.
Without commanders, you have to give the enemy AI a hard reset somehow 🤣
Pulled some similar shenanigans against Sturgia (albeit with better odds, but a small castle):
czcams.com/video/uokcOXTR-hg/video.html @17:00
I would've tried to manually destroy the siege tower from the wall. Would take a while, but that would probably get that mass of troops unstuck.
Hate when sieges get bugged. At least this time it was the enemy and not your troops standing still while archers slowly pick them off.
This is why I usually take control of one of the siege equipment on defense so I can get what I want down first and after a few times you get a good idea about the range and aim so long as the soldiers don't get stuck reloading it, I then proceed to manually throw the fire pots if it's a fire catapult into the ladder section as there is huge clusters there, sadly they just run away and get everyone back in seconds as that was before siege got deadly.
Never seen them bug out like that before, normally they get onto the wall and seem to wait for something for me but just keep piling on more and more on that wall.
I tuned into this stream exactly as this seige started, how lucky I was!
Loving how his character is named khalid ibn al walid after my favorite general
during sieges, I always use the main gate as choke point and shield wall all my melee infantry there. once blocked, I throw all the catapult's stones above them or outside the gate if they're too many. careful not to hit the ram as they don't take damage if the ram was hit. really satisfying if you get the fire vases as its doing a lot more damage than regular stones
i had a similar scenario the other day, around 1300 v my 500 half were militas. spent like 2 weeks ingame defending as we slowly chopped their numbers down with each battle but they kept retreating and recovering their wounded and attacking. After a couple dozen battles my own faction finally decided to reinforce when they had 300 to my 200.
Well on the bright side you got a ton of renown and influence?
@@xppikkx1576 Yup :D
Done it. With fewer men the trick is to make sure the break the gate but dont manage to go over the walls. So if you personally destroy the seige towers it goes much smoother. Since the invading army comes in smaller numbers by holding the gate you can really fuck them up. Then when moat of their numbers are wounded hit them in the field before they recoupe or a new army showes up.
im proud that you and everyone know the best strategic commander khalid bin walid
Insane you are so good!
Craziest battle I ever had was 3800 troops attacking me in the far east britainnian town. Held just over 300 troops. Had a lot of wildlings and brit elite archers with line breakers and legionaries split with my wildlings before they got the javs. Had to replay the battle 3 times and on the last shot I killed over 1000 being very careful not to die. I think that was the hardest part. Random arrow takes a chunk, random jav. Stressful as hell but holy shit that was a fun battle.
Don't know if it's a bug, but the new ambush mechanic will always result in the AI launching an assault immediately after, even if you destroyed all their siege equipment in the raid. So all you have to do is let them build a ram, quickly destroy it in an ambush and then they're forced to attack you with only ladders. You can then just mass your archers behind the walls and watch them mow down the enemy as they come up single file. They'll usually retreat instead of fighting to the end, wait for their wounded to heal and attack again, but just repeat this tactic of letting them build a ram/destroy it/force them into attacking with no siege until either they're weak enough to defeat in a sally-out or until allied reinforcements arrive to help you.
I play on console and sieges tend to be hard to as the controls for commanding are a bit tricky however I had 1 battle in the same city an attack and defend, I tried to overun the walls but my troops were too scattered so I charged the main gate and fought the entire battle through the streets. On the defense we destroyed the towers and I managed to position some archers at the gate, some got stuck lol, but I had the whole infantry cycle charge the enemy at the gate it was 2 of the bloodiest battles I have ever played around 4,000 dead across oth sieges.
I wish I could use your tactics more as I enjoy watching them, sadly console battle don't really let you be too clever
Great video Strat
Amazing move by the enemy!
Baiting you out so they can pummel you with arrows!
hey, it wasn't that kind of a crazy siege but I got plenty of crazy new info from you. thanks a lot :)
My experience with siege defenses using only 50 companions:
1) always take out the ram at any cost other than your own life. Once the ram is taken out, the AI will default into "Rush gate" mode. In this mode, the AI will not go after your troops and focus on opening the gate. You can then place archers in strategic positions to keep shooting the enemy without having to worry about the enemy coming after them.
2) do not position archers on the walls. It is a death sentence for them since the enemy archers have aim bot and they mostly outnumber you.
3) position archers around where the enemy is going to go up the walls. If they are in rush gate mode, they will b-line to it and ignore the archers unless they are too close to them. Usually, positions that are of the same or higher elevation than the wall are perfect. If there a no obstructions, its even bettet.
3:28 How do you do that? Select multiple squads and combine them.
tell me if you knew how
@@fadifaisal4662 I still don't.
That catapult had a direct shot too that blob.....
Most of those kills from the archers are probably the trebuchet, since any unit will man it
Yeah that's a possibility, good point
You should always try to take command of your siege engines. A catapult should be enough to take down 2 siege towers. Then you can focus on the battering ram since they are very slow. If you can destroy all 3 siege engines it's a cake walk since you can slaughter then while they going up the ladders. You can even use your catapult to 1 shot reinforcement waves too
Using a polearm type of weapon such as a Glave is perfect for siege defence. You can swap and murder away all the enemy soldiers climbing up the ladders.
That was very fun to watch. :)
I once had to defend a castle with 300 troops under my order, while the enemy had something like 800 elite troops ready to murder the poor militians guarding the walls with me. I don't know how but by abusing the catapult I managed to reduce both of our numbers by half until the king I was serving somehow managed to sign a peace treaty.
I once ambushed the siege camp and after some time I got knocked out and both my army and the enemy army didn't push, after 20 minutes or so in sped up time, my 14 archers from the walls got 250+ kills. Siege AI's are sometimes bugged and can be broken for the player.
If that siege was with RBM enabled it might be the issue why that happened.
No, this one is mod free, it's from the failed attempt, the next attempt he only uses RTS. Both are vanilla
No mods on this one sadly so it's all TW :P
@@Strat-Guides I hope this game will be perfect one day.
We gota push the upper limits of how many can be reppeled from assault
I hope sieges ingame eventually take inspiration from irl ones, would be quite interesting
yeah yeah its satisfying to see that you too get better every time. I like games. Some of them are very....educational in some ways... somehow....
They had game of thrones' white walker army vibes. All just standing there still
Throwing the onager ammo/rocks on the top of enemy blobs from the edge of the wall dose SOOOOO MUCH DAMAGE
cool and entertaining. great content
If it ever seems interesting please do a video on how to cause a revolt passively to a town!!!
Awesome siege! One thing: can you explain what you meant by you don't run out of ammunition? (11:20) Do defending troops in a siege have unlimited arrows and such?
Thanks for watching! That's correct - on siege defense, archers and crossbows have unlimited ammo and don't need to refill at arrow barrels like the player.
8:05 that was a beautiful shot
Derthert: What is Husn Fulq worth?
Saladin Strat: Nothing!
Also Saladin Strat: All of your precious butter!!!!
I feel like it's really easy to hold the walls in sieges now. infantry, in line formation, manually positioned slightly back for the ladder, will rush anyone who climbs up and then stand back from enemy archer fire again. If you personally control a catapult and destroy the ram there's nothing the enemy can do.
I've recently got back into the game and have been grinding a companion only run and quickly found the best way to level is by destroying 3000 strong armies with a 400 man garrison and companions. The annoying thing is that siege armies always run away now, just to fight when their injured are healed. Husn Fulk was the first siege I did this with and I played it about 20 times in a row, until the enemy army ran out of food/prestige and disbanded. This video triggered me; it took me hours! You get nothing in terms of loot, but massive XP gain.
Now that you can ambush enemy siege engines, making the enemy AI attack immediately, you can literally take out their siege engines, camp by your fire catapult, and get 60 kills by throwing fire pots at the enemies on ladders
Honestly for siege defense I’ve found that Ambush is OP. I let an attacking army make a battering ram and a siege tower. I did an Ambush and after destroying both their tower and their battering ram it ended in a victory for us and forced them into a siege. Now we had defensive siege weapons and working walls while they had nothing, they all just funneled into 1 ladder and my troops decimated them. Next time I’m considering allowing them to keep a battering ram, so that my siege weapons have easy, slow targets.
The guy constantly changes decisions make up your mind bro. Though you really do good strategy and know the game well
Don't you love how not only the enemy is against you, but the game itself is against you as well 🙃
Using ambush before battle starts gives you an instant win
I had a siege that looked really bad, outnumbering me 5 to 1, they attacked, then i realised they are all t1 and t2. Long story short, i took my t5 infantry, opened the front gate, led them through the gate and slaughtered the enemies infront of the walls. Ist was epic
Okay, tbh. They need to deal with this somehow. Like, there should be a capture point near the castle gates, so that the player could not hold a single closed point behind the walls. Like, historically even if there was resistance inside the city/castle walls but the main fortification was taken it was the end unless it was recaptured.
Agreed, you could probably sit there and starve the inner keep within a few days time
@@Strat-Guides They did have a scene for the "inside the keep" battle. I think maybe 2 step siege for the 3 tier keeps is an option where after the point capture attackers face a single wave of keep defenders.
Try my tactic and it always works during siege defense on castle or town no matter how much troop the besieger have. Works on campaign and sandbox. Which troop can be vary.
Requirement.
1. Have around 50-70 high tier infantry in your party as a main defense
2. Another 30-50 infantry for reinforcement
3. Archers divided into 5 group, each 20-30
First scenario. If you already in castle/town which besieged, DONT wait until they launch full scale. Wait until besieger built ram. After they just freshly built that, AMBUSH it. (Took some precise timing) Destroy their ram and go back.
2nd scenario (my best tactic).
Wait until they finished siege tower. Then do the same. AMBUSH it. Atm, they will have a ram and siege tower(s). What you gonna need to do is destroy their ram and left ONLY 1 BADLY DAMAGED siege tower. Then retreat to your castle/town
After you succesfully ambush it. ATTACK.
Battle formatiom.
1. Make a group of 50 high tier infantry (2nd scenario) or 2 groups of 40 each.
2. Place them ON THE WALL where LADDER(s) will be manned (need some times to look where the ladder spawn each castle/town). 2nd scenario will only have 1 ladder.
3. Assign shied wall to them and strecth them to cover all the climbing area
4. IMPORTANT. Assign them STOP command. They wont move. (F1 - f6)
5. Put archers on each tower, and onager
6. Let the carnage begin
Scenario 1 will start with 2 point of ladder, which they will try to scale it down. scenario 2, with only 1 ladder point, your catapult will destroy their badly damage siege tower. There will be 2 choke point or 1 choke point, according which scenario youll be using. each point will have 2 ladder and each ladder climb 1 soldier. Basically, they will climb to their death, 1 by 1 each ladder.
I lost only 10-30 with mixed infantry. Mine was vanilla 1.1.3 version.
Awesome siege.
hello Strat. How is it with the WC Livestreams? When are they and do you have any Scedules where i can look up your next streams? :)
Hey sorry I didn't see this one - I was able to stream last weekend and I'm possibly going to do another this weekend, although I'm not positive. I need to record and edit a few things first so if I can finish that up first, I'll stream. I don't have a schedule because it's really hard to say when I'll be able to - it's mostly up to my kids cooperating, which is about as predictable as TW maths lol
As an eternal M&B newbie, how do you restock on troops after a destructive battle like this? I always dread these large engagements since I know I'll lose good troops I've invested time and resources in.
When you give the command, how so you scatter them in a size you want?
3:18 - How do you switch between them so fast and gives them orders? It looks like your using scroll or smth
likes me manual control of a ballista...seeya to 2+ bad dudes in a shot
4:30 your guy sounds like the Gordan Ramsay of Bannerlord
Lol Where's the lamb sauce!?
I believe that AI got a bit broken in the recent patch. It's so passive, even as an attacker in the field battles. If their forces are not massively stronger, they will just wait and stare at the enemy, especially if you have allies in battle. I had to recently kite and skirmish for 30 minutes to compel the enemy to engage. It's so frustrating.
ah a newer vid is f6 worth using ? and them rock you throw off the wall are good i kill 2 to 4 every one and also damage others
wait how are you dragging the line when giving move command?
U prob could have destroyed the second siege tower since thats where all of the troops were bugged. Once it was destroyed they would have flood into the gate.
Good call! During the stream, Strat, and Chat were discussing back and forth about potentially doing that, or alternatively breaking the ram in the gate. (A chat member suggested that the ram may be stuck in "Ramming" mode, causing the AI to think the gate was impassable).
In the end, Strat made the really smart call to avoid disturbing the bugged out troops. Partially because he was on Iron-man mode, and a game crash would have sucked (again lol), and partially because of the famous Sun Tzu quote "Do not interrupt the enemy when he is making a mistake".
Such a fun stream to be a part of haha
man im from brazil and i love yours videos, i dont play banelord because my pc dont run the game but i love you content
Question, how do you move units from groups?
The amount of time and effort you put into these videos AND work AND have a family life I'm starting to think you're either Multiple Man or you are Chat GPT and you just havent admitted it yet.
It's always so amazing to me how utterly useless the walls are for your own archers in these siege videos.
You can break siege towers with axes or weapons that might reset the bug. Also you can break your own siege towers too
Any mods used? I haven’t played in a few months so idk if the splitting in battle is vanilla or not
No mods on this one - you can split groups in the base game. Select the group, press F3, F5, pick the group to move them to and use the slider for how many and you're set!
@@Strat-Guides sweet thank you!
So is the most up-to-date version of this game better entry of bugs or should one play an older version?
How do you transfer troops like that? I’ve never seen this feature before.
I found these defenses to be REALLY easy. Here’s my advice:
Make sure you have catapaults in your castle. While the enemy is laying siege, once youre able to ambush, go in and ALMOST destroy the siege towers and rams. Once that’s done, retreat and then engage in actual battle. When the real battle starts, the catapaults will take out the siege towers instantly, leaving the enemy to only attack from one side where the ram is. Continue to take out the troops via crossbow or bow, and as the almost-destroyed ram approaches, destroy it. Enemy has no choice but to retreat. Rinse and repeat eventually the strength meter will be slightly to your advantage, and then send troops to auto resolve. You should save before sending troops out though. You should win the battle and capture the enemy when it’s all done.
This was so entertaining hahaha
Im here to ask a question, why can i not control some of my troops in siege battles? Also when i can control them they just go back to the walls and doe like some dumasses, its so annoying
I was besieged in a castle odds stacked against us 3-1 they built a siege tower and a ram took out the ram but the tower made it to our wall my battanians fought hard but they had so many recruits and we had only a handful of elite troops and ultimately we lost the castle and it was by far the most fun I ever had