War Within Melee Dps RANKED - Best Single Target & AoE, Best Hero Talents, Best Overall

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  • čas přidán 22. 07. 2024
  • With the War Within expansion release date quickly approaching I know everyone is trying to figure out what their main character is going to be. In this video we'll go through every melee class and spec and rank how they are doing so far in the War Within. If you're struggling to figure out what you want to play, this might just help you out!
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    Timestamps -
    00:00 - War Within Melee RANKED
    00:42 - Arms Warrior
    02:31 - Fury Warrior
    04:07 - Survival Hunter
    06:04 - Ret Paladin
    07:54 - Havoc DH
    09:38 - Outlaw Rogue
    11:23 - Assassination Rogue
    12:59 - Subtlety Rogue
    14:04 - Feral Druid
    15:53 - Enhancement Shaman
    17:58 - Windwalker Monk
    19:42 - Frost DK
    21:31 - Unholy DK
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Komentáře • 312

  • @SignsOfKelani
    @SignsOfKelani  Před 16 dny +2

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    • @bertjones3010
      @bertjones3010 Před 15 dny

      can one assume that "S" means superior? I couldn't find where you actually discussed you ranking scale and it doesn't help when you time stamp it to cater to each class - another words skipping classes I don't play.

  • @DemonicInfinity
    @DemonicInfinity Před 16 dny +104

    "Playing around a static aoe can be pretty annoying"
    *Laughs in DK*

    • @Kurnhelios
      @Kurnhelios Před 15 dny +9

      Huffing hopium that they'll add a talent where death and decay follows you

    • @MostlyFish21
      @MostlyFish21 Před 13 dny

      That's why I don't play DK. That, and they're way too slow for my liking. I don't like always overcapping on runic power but that's on me

    • @-TyTy
      @-TyTy Před 9 dny +1

      @@MostlyFish21 With the hero talent, ROTA, you're laughing in being faster

  • @ninjaAMN
    @ninjaAMN Před 9 dny +7

    Here's the breakdown of the tier list from the video:
    S Tier - Ret Paladin > Windwalker Monk
    A Tier - Unholy DK > Havoc DH > Survival Hunter > Frost DK > Fury Warrior
    B Tier - Feral Druid > Outlaw Rogue > Arms Warrior > Enhancement Shaman
    C Tier - Assassination Rogue > Subtlety Rogue

  • @TheMiddleAgedKidVideos
    @TheMiddleAgedKidVideos Před 16 dny +171

    Why is it creators never like passive or background effects? Most specs have enough active abilities to juggle as it is.

    • @pglove9554
      @pglove9554 Před 16 dny +4

      It's a non point. Generally opinion. Game has changed fk all since launch when you really think about it..

    • @DemonicInfinity
      @DemonicInfinity Před 16 dny +17

      Because they are often just a number boost, so nothing that is new for a spec. Some people like that, but some people want the spec gameplay to actually change depending on your choice especially in talent and hero talent treee.

    • @Soulessdeeds
      @Soulessdeeds Před 16 dny +43

      I would rather see more passives than see blizzard add more buttons. We aren't 2014 PvP gods with 80 macros and keybinds.

    • @danielsmith2483
      @danielsmith2483 Před 16 dny +13

      ​@@pglove9554bro never played vanilla wow lol

    • @Daisudori
      @Daisudori Před 16 dny +3

      A good design will allow u to take passives or actives and have similar output. Choose your difficulty. Ele Shaman tree kinda had this

  • @bustrbsly82
    @bustrbsly82 Před 16 dny +14

    you might want to take a 2nd look at havoc. their talents haven't changed but losing their tier set combined with the hero talents has completely changed the class. it plays very differently now.

    • @kunjunction1
      @kunjunction1 Před 15 dny +14

      if you watch the video he doesnt even know the basic rotations or prio for specs. this video was rushed just to push shit out the door.

    • @clauslarsen8971
      @clauslarsen8971 Před 11 dny

      I fee like he just rated it on the fact that he generally likes DH in every expansion

    • @monsterdragondeluxe
      @monsterdragondeluxe Před 4 dny

      This guy useally just reads wowhead patchnotes..
      I guess this has 0 research and 0 effort for it. I honestly think he is not playing the beta that much.

    • @Drew71707
      @Drew71707 Před 4 dny

      insultingly bad take on havoc yeah, oh I like how they play and they got no changes except hero talents gut the playstyles

  • @TadSoft
    @TadSoft Před 16 dny +80

    Rogue here crying for help.

    • @NinjaKhaos74
      @NinjaKhaos74 Před 16 dny +14

      as a sub rogue i feel like i do 10x the work of say bm hunter but the same or less damage,shit is annoying

    • @mladengochev6918
      @mladengochev6918 Před 16 dny

      atleast u are not a shaman :D

    • @kunjunction1
      @kunjunction1 Před 15 dny +5

      rogues are fine he doesnt know half the rotations since the updates. missing huge prio on the video XD thats why i take what he posts LATE with a grain of salt.

    • @abnknyte
      @abnknyte Před 15 dny +2

      Rogues will get overtuned like they always do. Don't worry!

    • @leonardceres9061
      @leonardceres9061 Před 15 dny +3

      crying is useless the other five Rogues playing the game won’t be able to hear you…

  • @buddyjarjoura5166
    @buddyjarjoura5166 Před 16 dny +6

    Great video. Exactly the kind of overview I was looking for! Hope ranged/caster is up next!

  • @Zerstoror
    @Zerstoror Před 16 dny +75

    Wish you put chapters in

    • @Skrittlez
      @Skrittlez Před 16 dny +3

      Yesss

    • @TopicxWoW
      @TopicxWoW Před 15 dny +1

      Mained Rogue all of DF, I am re-rolling. Its the worst state the class has been in in all of M+ it’s so punishing if you mess up one RTB or accidentally drop stealth and lose buffs, if you die it’s terrible for the next 2 minutes. It suffers from RP and flying cause you have to break stealth, it has no utility at all, can’t dispel, heal, hard CC, Rez. It’s just terrible RN.

    • @FlunkyKong
      @FlunkyKong Před 15 dny +1

      There are now chapters

    • @Skrittlez
      @Skrittlez Před 15 dny +2

      Wow nice they listened lol

  • @ShadowMk3
    @ShadowMk3 Před 12 dny

    Linked your video in the forum rogue feedback thread, we are desperate for eyes to be on the issues we are facing, so I appreciate the video even more, and I hope it will bring more attention to it

  • @OkayJay444
    @OkayJay444 Před 16 dny +2

    Love the fantasy of Fatebound Outlaw. But like you said, not much to get excited about visually. I feel like it could be one of the coolest.

  • @LordGodfrey
    @LordGodfrey Před 15 dny +2

    So glad I main a DK, but I’m also excited MoP Remix let me get a ton of alts leveled!

  • @zeraora807
    @zeraora807 Před 16 dny +2

    I love the thumbnail "Why are you yelling!? Lol

  • @WolfsOcean
    @WolfsOcean Před 16 dny +3

    Good thing im switching to Holy Pally from Ret. The fact Ret is getting so much highlighting in all WW has my Nerf Senses tingling

  • @yeye1600
    @yeye1600 Před 16 dny +8

    Putting Havoc with it's huge problems currently in A tier is crazy to me. One hero talent tree does 1/3 of the other, adds nothing visually even though that's supposedly a big part of it. The other (aldrachi reaver) just adds more buffs/ debuffs and even soul fragment micro management to a already insanely min-max micromanage spec. It's way too much. Feels like both trees were designed to go with vengeance and fuck havoc as always.

    • @user-tw1dt4no7f
      @user-tw1dt4no7f Před 15 dny +1

      90% of everyones issue with the hero talents for DH is visuals. it still plays and does as much if not more than most classes. The only issue i see with the hero talents is havoc and souls.

    • @yeye1600
      @yeye1600 Před 15 dny +1

      @@user-tw1dt4no7f my main issue was concerning the design of the hero talents and the philosophy behind their design. To me it shows that they either don't care enough or actively ignore feedback about havoc, seeing as they added even more micromanagement

  • @FritzSchober
    @FritzSchober Před 16 dny +37

    Less buttons is good, not bad!

  • @nawdog187
    @nawdog187 Před 16 dny +2

    I think your pretty accurate on this list considering I play em all lol, nice work , we appreciate very much for all you do .!!!!!

  • @Lrn2hmp
    @Lrn2hmp Před 16 dny +1

    What is that damage text?

  • @AmaSeeker
    @AmaSeeker Před 16 dny

    Thank you~😄

  • @user-zr2el2uv7v
    @user-zr2el2uv7v Před dnem

    Is this a tier list for m+ or overall because I saw u put ret p in S but on the logs from raid they are doing just ok

  • @spamstabber
    @spamstabber Před 14 dny +1

    Making ret even better is pretty wild

  • @wooptidoo3525
    @wooptidoo3525 Před 14 dny

    I'm considering returning for this expansion launch but i am worried about balance. Have they done anything to nerf augmentation and its toxic meta? I'm not gonna bother if I feel like i'm an idiot for not playing around that spec.

  • @Jagr00nage
    @Jagr00nage Před 13 dny

    I've mained WW since Legion and that doesn't look like it's changing at all but I'm super excited to play mountain thane because it just looks cool.

    • @attinger117
      @attinger117 Před 13 dny

      WW has had massive changes to the talent tree…. And they have two distinct hero talent playstyles.

    • @Jagr00nage
      @Jagr00nage Před 13 dny

      @@attinger117 Yea finally its gotten a bit stale but still a fun spec. Excited to try out different variations.

  • @Uncle19
    @Uncle19 Před 16 dny +2

    With the changes to alts, I feel like my main isn’t massively important. Which is a good thing.

  • @Metaphix
    @Metaphix Před 16 dny +1

    hopefully they change the colossus arms warrior ability to not lock you in place, maybe just lower movement speed by like 70%

  • @kalamari8243
    @kalamari8243 Před 14 dny

    as someone who has every spec besides healers on both sides (alliance and horde), I am extremely excited for hero talents. now I can mix up my gamestyles and being (a little bit) more "unique" with each char and not having e.g. 2 completely identical WW monks on each side!

  • @jamessun6207
    @jamessun6207 Před 16 dny +38

    Rogues are in a sad spot

    • @bigbramble
      @bigbramble Před 16 dny +5

      They are just so ridiculously complicated to play with so many finishers and cooldowns to manage.

    • @magdabrownis265
      @magdabrownis265 Před 16 dny +2

      @@bigbramble nah they’re not bad

    • @user-il3wd2oz2s
      @user-il3wd2oz2s Před 16 dny +2

      Good

    • @richiepipes8960
      @richiepipes8960 Před 16 dny +11

      ​@@magdabrownis265yea they are. Zero reason to play one over monk, pally, fury warr, or surv hunter.

    • @metalmach1ne748
      @metalmach1ne748 Před 16 dny +3

      Assa feels good and has strongest st

  • @lukasgaming82
    @lukasgaming82 Před 16 dny +1

    Hey Kelani!

  • @matthewfincham243
    @matthewfincham243 Před 16 dny +2

    Love your vids mate

  • @InfestationPony
    @InfestationPony Před 16 dny +1

    God I wish Rider of the Apocalypse can be as good as it sounds, so far all I'm seeing are randomness slapped upon randomness, looks like Sanlayn for me. Plus those extra haste buff can be quite useful at the start of this expansion.

  • @Baloshz
    @Baloshz Před 16 dny +1

    thx for making this great video

  • @gregoryshinn9805
    @gregoryshinn9805 Před 16 dny +1

    Thanks for the video

  • @ignan1923
    @ignan1923 Před 15 dny +1

    Stuck between elemental, survival and windwalker, my 3 mains.

  • @Davew5183
    @Davew5183 Před 16 dny +5

    Glad I can continue playing my main (Paladin)2005-now and still going

  • @Daisudori
    @Daisudori Před 16 dny +1

    Can someone recommend me some low APM specs for War Within? Still Destro and MM for that?

    • @bobstoner415
      @bobstoner415 Před 16 dny

      Sounds about right. Both are very fun to play because they are simple but powerful so you can focus more on the game. I recommend both.

    • @BeastMastery
      @BeastMastery Před 16 dny +1

      Havoc, Fury and all rogue specs. Trust me.
      Don't trust me!

    • @rick5787
      @rick5787 Před 16 dny

      Dev evoker is the lowest APM in the game. But its because you have 'charged' abilities.

    • @Daisudori
      @Daisudori Před 16 dny +1

      @@BeastMastery Assa used to be the low APM melee. But its not very enjoyable spec. Same for Arms war, altho imo thats abit better to play, I keep using it for alt.
      Am, bored on hunter so will try the Warlock and Evoker out I guess.

    • @sleeper789
      @sleeper789 Před 16 dny

      Devastation Evoker is the lowest APM in the game at around 35 in single target. Not surprising since it revolves around a 3 second channel ability. It's still really fun and I mained it for most of DF. All three Warlock specs and MM are around 45-50.

  • @nerdrooted
    @nerdrooted Před 16 dny

    I've been mulling over a change from BM hunter for TWW, and my two choices I'd arrived at were either Ret Paladin or WW Monk 😂
    WW Monk looks like (atm anyway) like it'll do more damage, but Ret does have more defensives, and will likely be a better pick for progression raiding due to that.
    I'm waiting for pre-patch to see how the changes play out for my actual live characters, even if we won't have access to hero talents just yet.

    • @guilleherreros3518
      @guilleherreros3518 Před 16 dny

      Who cares about damage are you a profesional player?

    • @nerdrooted
      @nerdrooted Před 16 dny +4

      @@guilleherreros3518 I'm a Cutting Edge mythic raider who would like to guarantee their raid spot as much as possible, so yes, damage matters.

  • @dualSpec1
    @dualSpec1 Před 16 dny

    I was thinking about ret our ww monk was hard to pick but when playing delves on beta it was allot easier wirh a ret. And since delves will be important ret to go and ww monk for alt for the first season

  • @fishtacos007
    @fishtacos007 Před 16 dny

    I main shaman but haven't played since SL. IDK what to play

  • @Mickemera
    @Mickemera Před 3 dny

    Holy Shit, Ret Paladin on top? Cant wait for a patch that tune that to about middle or lower just before release.

  • @caemalin
    @caemalin Před 16 dny +4

    Time markers needed in your vids man 🙌

    • @Soldruid
      @Soldruid Před 15 dny

      There are time stamps

    • @caemalin
      @caemalin Před 15 dny

      Not when I wrote this comment, thanks though.

  • @Defocus_
    @Defocus_ Před 16 dny +4

    put survival at S tier, looks about right after that

    • @KuhntaSmash
      @KuhntaSmash Před 15 dny +2

      Yeah, after his description of his understanding of Pack Leader, it was obvious he didn't understand the new survival mechanics.

  • @avstzn
    @avstzn Před 16 dny +1

    every hero talent tree should provide visual changes to some degree, it’s ridiculous that some specs like voidweaver shadow priest get so much stuff meanwhile fate bound rogues get to flip a coin ….

  • @povved161
    @povved161 Před 16 dny

    SV is my Main alt for years. Might as well make him to my Main in TWW 😍

  • @navistormrage5057
    @navistormrage5057 Před 11 dny

    Is there rdps t list

  • @Cyl444444
    @Cyl444444 Před 10 dny

    The current unholy is was more simple than it's past versions thankfully . No where as simple as frost you just press obliterate and frost strike 90% of the time ; but once you understand the opening rotation and how your talents play off of it , it becomes very satisfying to play both in dungeons and raiding . Few different builds as well to tinker with compared to some specs really only having a single cookie cutter build .

  • @Jo-Jo8vs
    @Jo-Jo8vs Před 13 dny

    If Blood DK becomes the new meta tank in m+, I would rate DH also as S-Tier, just for the dmg buff.

  • @xanscobe
    @xanscobe Před 16 dny +3

    As warrior main for years. This was the not a good introduction for casuals - yes they retuned rage and the waiting for auto attacks aka smoother gameplay but i rather had worded that just as "smoother gameplay" or similar. In my opinion the big change was that cleave replaces Whirlwind! This and the changes to talents + cleave cooldown + rage costs massively alters the aoe / cleave rotation esp with sweeping strikes on top. this feels way different than in DF: esp with -1 button (WW) and Storm of Swords redesign and removal of Hurricane - in the old AoE giga combo.

    • @xanscobe
      @xanscobe Před 16 dny

      For all 3 hero talents and fury I can agree and the ratings and input you gave. maybe mentioning removal of Annihilator+Slam+Storm of Swords build for fury. and sadly warrior is still lacking 1 real utility Button for M+.

    • @boxicool
      @boxicool Před 10 dny

      so on arms there will be now shity whirlwind and cleave is in basic or talent choice? i hvnt played for long time

    • @xanscobe
      @xanscobe Před 10 dny

      @@boxicool whelp read the talents. Cleave replaces ww

  • @Arkael1110
    @Arkael1110 Před 14 dny +1

    I'm a bit confused about the death knight section. You said nothing but good things about frost death knight ended by saying it's some of the best hero talents in the game and then placed it in the middle of a tier......

  • @Deezy_0
    @Deezy_0 Před 16 dny

    Ret pally feels sooooo gooood 🤤🤤

  • @leaflotus6726
    @leaflotus6726 Před 5 dny

    Survival hero choice is AOE/wildfire? Sentinal. Singletarget/mongoose? Pack leader. Pack leader is really cool and its singlw target is insane on single target (and chakrams are back) :D

  • @Denstoremonkey
    @Denstoremonkey Před 16 dny +2

    POG

  • @thekajunpredator
    @thekajunpredator Před 15 dny

    As a huge enhancement fan. I'm glad we aren't using ice strike/eleblast/frost shock/primordial wave😁

  • @zuralani1
    @zuralani1 Před 16 dny +5

    Havoc in A tier? Most DHs that have played it hate aldrachi reaver's playstyle immensly. Because of the difference in damage profiles of the two hero trees, it is unlikely fel-scarred will ever be tuned to compete with aldrachi in raid without talent design changes.

    • @Avo7977
      @Avo7977 Před 16 dny

      How are they in PvP, though

    • @alexvarai424
      @alexvarai424 Před 16 dny +10

      @@Avo7977 nobody cares or plays pvp in wow anymore lol

    • @richiepipes8960
      @richiepipes8960 Před 16 dny +2

      Dude idk how he gave Havoc an A....its awful to play rn.

    • @pawned4617
      @pawned4617 Před 16 dny +2

      @@Avo7977 Even in PvP, fel-scarred is garbage, aldrachi reaver out performs in Raid, M+ and PvP. DH really needs some major reworking before live

    • @Primal_Echo
      @Primal_Echo Před 15 dny +1

      ​@@alexvarai424I almost exclusively play PvP...

  • @Tylas100
    @Tylas100 Před 16 dny

    Nice unholy is save 😂😘

  • @fishraposo7192
    @fishraposo7192 Před 14 dny

    This video got me to become a member, can't wait for the tier list of the other roles!

  • @lovelylych7643
    @lovelylych7643 Před 16 dny

    Now please do ranged classes :)

  • @pmdinaz
    @pmdinaz Před 8 dny

    Looks like I'll stick with Arms on my warrior (never liked fury) and Assassination on my rogue. I'm not chasing dps for frustration.

  • @thatonedudea
    @thatonedudea Před 16 dny +1

    What does blizzard have against assassination rogues?!

  • @AStreakingHoBo
    @AStreakingHoBo Před dnem

    For shamans this needs to be updated

  • @Wolfemother3441
    @Wolfemother3441 Před 16 dny +3

    DK POWER!

  • @littlebill872
    @littlebill872 Před 3 dny

    is this tier list just melee classes ranked on doing normal/heroic dungeons? because ret ain't definitely S rank. spec got neutered and brought down a few notches.

  • @Ak3R0
    @Ak3R0 Před 15 dny

    Looks like that owl poops on enemies from above...

  • @afau1non
    @afau1non Před 16 dny +1

    unholy and probably frost aswell have the same problem pallys had before rework forced to play in consecration, bad game design if you want the game to be dynamic and very rng in pugs

  • @Graavigala85
    @Graavigala85 Před 16 dny +1

    just as always: which class has the best gear wins and plate wearers seem to have the best looking world loot sets so its easy to pick

  • @joshuagarner1654
    @joshuagarner1654 Před 16 dny +1

    Ret paladin, always ret paladin

  • @kevinwilson9589
    @kevinwilson9589 Před 15 dny

    Why the constant changes to specs? It's almost like Bliz dosen't want a person to learn how to play their character well, because if you put in the time to learn, it gets changed.

  • @Thagias
    @Thagias Před 11 dny

    Enhancement might be removed or rebranded to tank spec at this point...

  • @prismoo9769
    @prismoo9769 Před 13 dny

    Is already hard for me as a assasination Rogue to do a good amount of dmg and now you are telling me they are going to Nerf my kings bane

  • @T.R.75
    @T.R.75 Před 16 dny

    why dont i feel like a Hero with the majority of these Hero Talents? good vid though, good info.

  • @zeveroarerules
    @zeveroarerules Před 16 dny

    Druid main, forever. Since vanilla.

  • @Ethan_Coble
    @Ethan_Coble Před 16 dny +2

    As a WW main, I honestly am super grateful that they decided to rework one of the less popular specs and they really listened to the WW community about what changes they wanted to see. Feels good to finally get some love and common sense changes that were desperately needed for the last few expansions. Blizz really knocked it outa the park with the class and spec tree!

  • @mikebroessler6
    @mikebroessler6 Před 10 dny +1

    Please pick what you like dont go by these. BEST OVERALL is what you make it. All dps healers and tanks are viable even at the highest end. PLEASEEEEEEE pick what you find the most fun

  • @Miavydrina
    @Miavydrina Před 13 dny

    Been playing Unholy DK for 16 years. LET'S FUCKIN GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

  • @dariuswhitefang2993
    @dariuswhitefang2993 Před 16 dny

    as a legion havoc enjoyer DF saison 3+ was awesome. But the new hero talent ruins almost everything. It works great if you can keep it up but you almost everytime trying to do so. so the potentical highest dps dosent feel well at all at the moment.
    depending on the needs of my group i would consider frost DK if melees are needed.

  • @ShadowsOfThePast
    @ShadowsOfThePast Před 15 dny +1

    Judging by this video it seems that there are many specs that suffer from the excessive amounts of procs/buffs/short CD's that you need to track to be optimal..
    I think they should make those specs a bit more simple.. NOT braindead but slightly less stuff so that you don't need to mash the keyboard like your life depends on it.

    • @prismoo9769
      @prismoo9769 Před 13 dny +1

      Rogue here when you said mash your keyboard i feel that

  • @Svanir.80
    @Svanir.80 Před 16 dny +1

    Seeing Havoc, Frost DK, and Survival in the A tier warms my heart. Been my favorite characters to play for ages now

    • @coroflame8098
      @coroflame8098 Před 16 dny +2

      Havoc shouldn't be in A tier tho. The tuning and damage profiles of the hero talents mean that aldrachi reaver is miles ahead of fel scarred and everyone hates how it play. Kelani gave it an A because he liked it in dragonflight but in the state its in it will feel god awful to play

  • @cooller8888
    @cooller8888 Před 14 dny

    I haven't played since mid-showlands and as a Rogue main who enjoys assa and sub I'm disappointed and I think I'm gonna wait till season 2 at least if I come back, which is unlikely.

  • @Ciansatlas
    @Ciansatlas Před 16 dny +3

    God dang now the frost dk moved on the list for TWW

  • @The200Dragon
    @The200Dragon Před 16 dny

    I love the warriors Mountain Thane for fury. It makes me feel like Thor. Although it won't work mechanically very well I like the idea of wielding a 2 handed axe and a 1 handed hammer making me look like Thor from the Marvel movies wielding Stormbreaker and Mjolnir.

  • @michaelkennielsen1422
    @michaelkennielsen1422 Před 16 dny

    TLDR: When he says "Fluid" he means easy. And the ranks are based on how easy specs are to play

  • @markuslc1888
    @markuslc1888 Před 16 dny +3

    currently the dps difference between the weakest and strongest specs are 800k dps, so ranking such a tuning mess is kinda pointless

    • @fredspekvet5875
      @fredspekvet5875 Před 16 dny +3

      No its not. we're not looking just at dps or how it performs, we're looking at all the factors. does it play well. does the rotation feel good. are the new talent trees any good.. etc etc. there is more in the world than just dps, you know.

    • @markuslc1888
      @markuslc1888 Před 16 dny +3

      @@fredspekvet5875 dude if a spec does tank dmg it's not relevant, if it plays well or not, because you won't be able to raid or do m+, that's how WoW is, if the tuning is somewhat right than the playstyle comes into consideration etc. if a dps spec does 0 dmg it's moreless dead, you know?

    • @keithb6344
      @keithb6344 Před 16 dny

      @@markuslc1888balance tuning hasn’t happened yet. So how much damage a class does right now doesn’t matter.

    • @fredspekvet5875
      @fredspekvet5875 Před 16 dny

      @@markuslc1888 No. because not everyone does instances. or does pvp. there's loads of people where pure dps doesnt mean a damned thing

    • @markuslc1888
      @markuslc1888 Před 16 dny

      @@keithb6344 true it's just curious how off it is

  • @EternalAngel333
    @EternalAngel333 Před 16 dny +1

    Wont bother with tierlists as expansion isnt fully out specs are getting changes left right and center making tierlists like this before its even out is kinda eh and should not really be looked at.

  • @petfish7385
    @petfish7385 Před 16 dny

    SV or mage....

  • @GdzieJestNemo
    @GdzieJestNemo Před 16 dny

    i'm so split between Shaman and DK right now

    • @snhazzy3325
      @snhazzy3325 Před 15 dny

      Go shaman

    • @Zerashadow
      @Zerashadow Před 9 dny

      my 2 options were Enh shaman or Affli lock, was locked in on shaman but it seems lock will be great as well, but shaman is so enjoyable to play

    • @rathburn42
      @rathburn42 Před 2 dny

      From what ive seen don't play enh shammy. I haven't heard many good things about it at all.

    • @GdzieJestNemo
      @GdzieJestNemo Před 2 dny +1

      @@rathburn42 people say it plays pretty much the same as in df - which means awesome. Changing it would suck

    • @rathburn42
      @rathburn42 Před 2 dny

      @@GdzieJestNemo i mean its not used for anything in DF my man the class is in an awful place. Thats why its one of the least played specs in the game. You like what you like thought glade you enjoy it.

  • @Fillster
    @Fillster Před 16 dny +1

    I'm having a hard time deciding to play fury warrior or frost dk. Can anyone help me decide? :D

    • @richiepipes8960
      @richiepipes8960 Před 16 dny

      Same. Frost seems boring after a while.

    • @rokogrga43
      @rokogrga43 Před 16 dny

      Fury is the best spec in the game, with fire mage being a second. Frost dk doesnt come close. Its badass to have two two handed weapons

    • @BeastMastery
      @BeastMastery Před 16 dny

      Frost still play around that horrible breath long cd hard to time build...

    • @Fillster
      @Fillster Před 16 dny

      I trust yalls opinion and go warrior. I was kinda secretly hoping for this anwser, but I wanted to make sure

    • @vondry87
      @vondry87 Před 16 dny

      @@rokogrga43 But it´s also very expensive. By the time everyone else has already crafted their two 1-h weapons or one 2-h weapons and they are good to go, you only have one 2h weapon and need one more. Not to mention that the other classes can usually tank with their dps weapons as well while warrior needs to grab another weapon and shield so in total you need 3 x more sparks than other classes. I mained warrior in DF but will be switching to another class in TWW (not yet decided which one).

  • @dgoodwin1122
    @dgoodwin1122 Před 15 dny

    Where are all my Feral friends at? 😁

  • @einjhell
    @einjhell Před 5 dny

    i guess pally will have nerf again S class before launch haha

  • @killerbam1234
    @killerbam1234 Před 16 dny

    do casters pls

  • @theR1ch
    @theR1ch Před 15 dny

    Outlaw AoE frustrates me, so it's Assassination for me.

  • @DoodleBobJ
    @DoodleBobJ Před 16 dny

    Really looking forward to DK playing both specs but probably mostly frost. The changes to the specs and rider of the apocalypse really elevate the spec. Finally some good mobility!

  • @JazzyGaming
    @JazzyGaming Před 16 dny

    They changed Skyfury for Shaman. It wouldve been a nice change but now its just kinda meh

  • @Kronosbattlemaps
    @Kronosbattlemaps Před 11 dny

    Generally any class with a spec overhaul will be good if not broken and op. It's literally happened every single time.

  • @frankcastle9691
    @frankcastle9691 Před 15 dny

    The horde win.

  • @Nightmase
    @Nightmase Před 16 dny +1

    Im kinda disappointed in the enhancer :( and were still waiting for shamans / paladins to be released for every race ....

    • @AustinMumford
      @AustinMumford Před 15 dny

      Shamans and paladins released for every race? What? How does that fit in lore?

    • @Nightmase
      @Nightmase Před 15 dny +1

      @@AustinMumford so you want to argue with lore but got tauren rouge ? Weird :D and btw there are already undead priests aswell as crusaders who use the light

    • @Zerashadow
      @Zerashadow Před 9 dny +1

      i would lowkey love to play Void Elf or Lightforged Shaman, but regular space-smurf will have to do for now.

  • @wesleyvl8572
    @wesleyvl8572 Před 16 dny +5

    Dk paldin monk are the best

  • @Andy07777
    @Andy07777 Před 15 dny

    Every class segment starts with "the spec has not changed much". I am not very confident about the expansion and if its even worth playing.

  • @jacobgill26
    @jacobgill26 Před 15 dny

    Tldr - not rogue.

  • @xanscobe
    @xanscobe Před 16 dny

    Your talking so positiv about frost and then putting it down in only A? Sounds not matching

  • @elliotsimpson3591
    @elliotsimpson3591 Před 15 dny

    TWW is still 2 months away, that's a LONG time for Blizzard to make changes and shake up whatever the meta of this video is!

  • @Stef-an
    @Stef-an Před 16 dny

    Informative video, thanks! Now do tanks pls :D

  • @ChemiiOneLegacy
    @ChemiiOneLegacy Před 16 dny +2

    Stuff like this is entertaining but that's really all anyone should take from it. Every single person told and video told me hunters would be bad in Dragonflight but because I liked playing Marksman especially I just went with it. Nearly all the predictions were incorrect and the first season of M+ I absolutely carried.
    Play what you enjoy first, the numbers will always be in flux.