Really love the modular nature of this design. Opens up the possibility of having swapable burrs. Also seems like they may have learned from some of the missteps of other motorized hand grinders (i.e. Lagom Mini stall, ARCO high RPM).
Niche is facing a very different market from when that launched their first grinder and are definitely up for an update. Let’s see if they can stay on top.
I have been using a 60rpm 83mm conical burred grinder for years and the consistent slow speed is great. I put a commercial right angle gear motor on my HG1 and love the capabilities. Your findings validate mine and i must say kudos to producing this video👍
A fun fact here. To anyone who wonders why the name of grinder is named "Femobook". it's the Chinese pronounciation similar to the meaning "You gotta grind". :)
i have a feeling there are a lot of parallels between machining and coffee grinding. when machining materials on a a lathe or mill theres a few variables that are taken into account to make the cut clean and efficient leaving a good surface finish etc. theres the feed and surface speed which together dictate the the cut size and load on the cutter. theres obviously a lot more involved but these are the basic ones. the difference in feed is what i think provides a huge connection or correlation between conical and flat burrs which explains the differences in optimal rpm. also with woodworking theres a distinct difference between hand tools and powertools that can carry through to coffee considering the similar cellulose material properties. powertools tend to have very low chip load and high rpm which often leaves a fluffy finish and powdery chips (fines maybe?) and hand tools take a higher chip load with lower surface speed producing clean shavings. just thought the parallels where interesting.
The black and red colorway is *chef's kiss* They show that the catch cup nicely fits a 58mm portafilter, which is great to see. Looks like they say it's 8 microns per click.
I got in on the early pricing for the Femobook and have had mine for a short while now. With RDT, I basically have no retention whatsoever. Hard for me to think of this grinder as flawed as you suggest, when absent RDT, many grinders retain more than desired. Thanks for your review of this. It really is a great grinder, and I too am excited for it to be an option for coffee lovers of all stripes. Really streamlines the workflow when it comes to achieving good puck distribution. If the grinds fall perfectly straight downward like the Key, Sette, and Versalab, and the beans can be ground directly into the basket and arrive there symmetrically and clump-free, then there is very little left to do for distribution before tamping and pulling the shot. Achieving great distribution with little effort is such a time-saver, and results in such a great low-stress workflow overall,
You have a Femobook? I have been trying to find an actual owner. You are the only person whom I have found in receipt of their Femobook. What are you using your for?
@@dalesjen hello. I'm sorry, but I am only just now seeing this, six months late! To answer your question , I use my Femobook primarily for espresso. My Baratza Forte does a better job than the Femobook with filter. But that is not to say that the Femobook does not do a decent job with filter. The Forte is after all a pretty darn good flat burr grinder.
Those are muddier beds than I expected, but I think that speaks more to my grind size than yours. I'm still dialing in the finer grind side of pour overs, so it's nice to see where you are. Often the beds are out of frame, appreciate you having them in frame. The fun part about pour over is there are so many recipe variations to play with to find your personal pleasure target.
love the small footprint, do it all capability and the colour choices for this grinder - I'm heavily considering this grinder to replace my Comandante as do it all grinder as the fine tune of espresso is impossible with the clicks. Thank you very much for this video and get to the point style that well explains the product and provides valuable infromation.
Thanks Jables! This is a cool video, but honestly, it just proves to me once again that the Niche is hard to dethrone. Workflow, retention, grind quality, price, build quality, calibration, style, even how easy it to is to clean. Other grinders come out with some aspects better than the Niche, but just don’t seem to hit all those categories the same way for me. Does the Niche score a 10 in all those categories? No, but in aggregate, it still reigns supreme. I don’t expect I will buy another grinder unless it’s a flat burr to supplement the Niche. That said, I’ll keep clicking on these reviews just in case a real niche killer comes along.
I would probably agree. I just received my Femobook, and have been a long time Niche owner. The Femobook is an amazing feet of engineering, and I'm still getting used to it, but the workflow just isn't as solid as the Niche. Static with it is much more of an issue than I was expecting, so I'll have to take some action against that.
im a dad as well i really need to work with something i love, i just cant do dead end jobs any more, i walked yesterday because i was done working for the dollar tree i cant do it lol, thanks for being here bud have a great day
We will have to see how the new gorilla gears perform in the niche, that could complicate things lol but i definitely wish the RPM was lower on the niche, i think that is it’s biggest downfall. Still can’t compete with the workflow of the niche, it is damn near perfect imo
Not bad, but would like to see the power pack somehow integrated in to the grinder body in the future. Yes, it might grow bigger in size but many of us wouldn't mind. Colors are interesting, currently no option but full silver calls my name. Full black in the future would be great. The grinder name (Femobook?) is a little perplexing, likely for good part of the Western market. At least an option not to have it embossed in large letters on grinder body. Otherwise, interesting product indeed.
I can't help it; when you bring hugo out for the taste test, and you speed everything up, all I can see is Benny Hill smacking the old bald gut in the head - cue Benny Hill theme! Sorry if that's unkind, but I just can't unsee that in my head!
It's got a power supply that you would plug into an old laptop. Easily scratches when cleaning it and little brushes built in that aren't going to last more than a year or 2. That doesn't scream quality to me. Didn't get to see the motor so i don't know if it's a cheap Chinese one used or not. (i'm willing to bet it's not as good as the proven high quality motor used in the Niche tho) And remember Lance did say this grinder was made by a friends company. So a good pinch of salt is needed.
Thanks Lance, love your work! Waiting for a Niche alternative paid off, hoping for a huge upgrade over the Barista Express grinder! Is there anything else in the pipeline I should wait for or just go for it?
I think Lance offers more subtlety than Jack Black. More like Josh Gad. Or, with the mustache, the Ron Jeremy of coffee. As for all the Niche killers out there, what is there to kill? Trying to recall, but I can’t seem to recall a single grinder comparison involving the Niche in which it comes out on top with regard to actually making good-tasting coffee. It’s cute. It’s easy to adjust. The workflow. Yada yada yada. But where it really counts - the quality of the coffee that comes out of it - the Niche never seems to win. Femobook looks promising, indeed. Thanks for a great first look. Excited to see more.
Also, Lance, why is torque never listed in motor specs? We only ever talk about power? But torque would be a way to look at motors that are published at the same power but one seems to jam more. And then turning on a motor first before feeding in the beans. This is only something recent where we can single dose and we are getting more into lightly roasted denser coffees. Surely this just would never happen in a hopper based grinder - or rather grinder manufacturers would not allow this to happen for commercial grinders. What do you think?
Just ordered one, can't wait to try it out, thanks. I for years have only been drinking espresso, I have an ECM Synchronika espresso machine and currently using a niche grinder and roast my own beans with a Quest M3 roaster. I would like to start trying/drinking drip coffees. Do you have some videos you recommend of which equipment to look into. Thanks!
I've lately been enjoying light African espresso drinks with my Niche Zero--might not give me "balanced' flavors, but definitely super smooth flavors and consistency. I have been enjoying my Niche lately with light roasts. I never thought it would give me the desired smoothmess.
Wow...this guy's are killing you with the Jack Black stuff...with regards to the "Niche Killer" suggestion, I think, new grinder will hurt the Niche, if it can meet demands. The Niche is a good grinder, but its scarcity, which fuels the price gouging, makes Femobook a great option for knocking down the current champ of conical grinders.
Lance, you’re the Jack Black of coffee 😂
Yes you are!
Our John Snow of coffee. Protector of the Wall. The Wall being between us and the Starbuck frappe caramel sucking White Walkers
I think I’ll go with Jon Black Snow
@@BrokCanRock john snow is not a try hard comedian
More like Ron Jeremy :)
Really love the modular nature of this design. Opens up the possibility of having swapable burrs. Also seems like they may have learned from some of the missteps of other motorized hand grinders (i.e. Lagom Mini stall, ARCO high RPM).
agree. They have definitely been paying attention, which is certainly helpful!
Jack Black is the Lance Hedrick of comedy.
That 0 calibration looks like a really clean execution, much easier than many others I've used. Also glad to see the safety switch.
Lance you're becoming more the Jack Black of coffee every video.
Thanks Jack black of coffee!
Can definitely see the 1zpresso inspirations around the dial especially. Love all the magnets of course
Love these reviews. Thank you so much. Cheers
Niche is facing a very different market from when that launched their first grinder and are definitely up for an update. Let’s see if they can stay on top.
Yeah, they still have a very good product, even though taste profile has swung wildly since it came out. NZ is still the easiest grinder to use.
This. Still good but the competition is nipping at it's heels.
I have been using a 60rpm 83mm conical burred grinder for years and the consistent slow speed is great. I put a commercial right angle gear motor on my HG1 and love the capabilities. Your findings validate mine and i must say kudos to producing this video👍
What grinder is the 60rpm conical burr?
@@taoofthings Lynn/Weber HG-1 with a custom motor.
A fun fact here. To anyone who wonders why the name of grinder is named "Femobook".
it's the Chinese pronounciation similar to the meaning "You gotta grind". :)
i have a feeling there are a lot of parallels between machining and coffee grinding. when machining materials on a a lathe or mill theres a few variables that are taken into account to make the cut clean and efficient leaving a good surface finish etc. theres the feed and surface speed which together dictate the the cut size and load on the cutter. theres obviously a lot more involved but these are the basic ones. the difference in feed is what i think provides a huge connection or correlation between conical and flat burrs which explains the differences in optimal rpm. also with woodworking theres a distinct difference between hand tools and powertools that can carry through to coffee considering the similar cellulose material properties. powertools tend to have very low chip load and high rpm which often leaves a fluffy finish and powdery chips (fines maybe?) and hand tools take a higher chip load with lower surface speed producing clean shavings. just thought the parallels where interesting.
thank you for commenting! those are interesting parallels and ones i'd never make since I don't own a lathe haha! APpreciate that insight.
The black and red colorway is *chef's kiss* They show that the catch cup nicely fits a 58mm portafilter, which is great to see. Looks like they say it's 8 microns per click.
Lance, you’re the Snap Back of coffee!
Another good video, well done. Lighting looked really good, keeps getting better. Cheers
I got in on the early pricing for the Femobook and have had mine for a short while now. With RDT, I basically have no retention whatsoever. Hard for me to think of this grinder as flawed as you suggest, when absent RDT, many grinders retain more than desired. Thanks for your review of this. It really is a great grinder, and I too am excited for it to be an option for coffee lovers of all stripes.
Really streamlines the workflow when it comes to achieving good puck distribution. If the grinds fall perfectly straight downward like the Key, Sette, and Versalab, and the beans can be ground directly into the basket and arrive there symmetrically and clump-free, then there is very little left to do for distribution before tamping and pulling the shot. Achieving great distribution with little effort is such a time-saver, and results in such a great low-stress workflow overall,
You have a Femobook? I have been trying to find an actual owner. You are the only person whom I have found in receipt of their Femobook. What are you using your for?
I'd love to get one. However the website is confusing. 20.000 for this little thing???
@@dalesjen hello. I'm sorry, but I am only just now seeing this, six months late! To answer your question , I use my Femobook primarily for espresso. My Baratza Forte does a better job than the Femobook with filter. But that is not to say that the Femobook does not do a decent job with filter. The Forte is after all a pretty darn good flat burr grinder.
Those are muddier beds than I expected, but I think that speaks more to my grind size than yours. I'm still dialing in the finer grind side of pour overs, so it's nice to see where you are. Often the beds are out of frame, appreciate you having them in frame. The fun part about pour over is there are so many recipe variations to play with to find your personal pleasure target.
Jack Black, you are the Lance Hedrick of music.
Clean shaven during No Shave November???
What a power move!
Recently bought a Lagom Mini. Interesting that it didn't do too well here but seems like it's in a similar ballpark and it's about $200 cheaper...
Oh new video from the twin brother of Lance, without the pimp stache 😂
I love you brother ❤️
Great intro to a new grinder. on my list to consider. thanks!
Lance, you're the black jack of coffee ♠
Thanks for this review, Lance! Very interesting grinder.
love the small footprint, do it all capability and the colour choices for this grinder - I'm heavily considering this grinder to replace my Comandante as do it all grinder as the fine tune of espresso is impossible with the clicks.
Thank you very much for this video and get to the point style that well explains the product and provides valuable infromation.
Jack Hedrick is the Lance Black of coffee
Lance you are the Ron Jeremy of coffee.
But no stache. We've moved into a new era
Thanks Jables! This is a cool video, but honestly, it just proves to me once again that the Niche is hard to dethrone. Workflow, retention, grind quality, price, build quality, calibration, style, even how easy it to is to clean. Other grinders come out with some aspects better than the Niche, but just don’t seem to hit all those categories the same way for me. Does the Niche score a 10 in all those categories? No, but in aggregate, it still reigns supreme. I don’t expect I will buy another grinder unless it’s a flat burr to supplement the Niche. That said, I’ll keep clicking on these reviews just in case a real niche killer comes along.
I would probably agree. I just received my Femobook, and have been a long time Niche owner. The Femobook is an amazing feet of engineering, and I'm still getting used to it, but the workflow just isn't as solid as the Niche. Static with it is much more of an issue than I was expecting, so I'll have to take some action against that.
im a dad as well i really need to work with something i love, i just cant do dead end jobs any more, i walked yesterday because i was done working for the dollar tree i cant do it lol, thanks for being here bud have a great day
"This hits that Niche really well" :D:D
Lance, you are the Jack Black of Coffee. I saw the resemblance a few months ago, but hesitated to post. I'm glad I'm not the only one.
Lance, you’re the blackjack of coffee 🫡
Love this. I keep going back to hand ground for my drip and on special occasions I hand grind my espresso. This might be my next grinder!
Lance, you’re the Jack Black of coffee - Really like the look of this, hope they manage to keep the price competitive on launch
I'm just sitting here enjoying a cup from my 1zpresso ZP6S while watching a new Lance video
Lance your casual "kill two burrs with one stone" was probably the best joke I've heard in my life
Love the design of the grinder!
Lance, you are the Jack Black of coffee!
Also, you keep answering my dumb questions, so I joined your patreon!
I gotta say, it's absolutely gorgeous
Keep at it lance, you're awesome.
the colour choices are....unique XD
We will have to see how the new gorilla gears perform in the niche, that could complicate things lol but i definitely wish the RPM was lower on the niche, i think that is it’s biggest downfall. Still can’t compete with the workflow of the niche, it is damn near perfect imo
Agreed. Workflow on the Femobook is lacking IMO.
Ah yes, something else to make the niche more expensive
@@thedancingsousa 😂😂 truth. I bought mine when the GBP plummeted so I got a fat discount luckily lol
Lance, you're my favorite beat boxer in coffee!
Not bad, but would like to see the power pack somehow integrated in to the grinder body in the future. Yes, it might grow bigger in size but many of us wouldn't mind. Colors are interesting, currently no option but full silver calls my name. Full black in the future would be great. The grinder name (Femobook?) is a little perplexing, likely for good part of the Western market. At least an option not to have it embossed in large letters on grinder body. Otherwise, interesting product indeed.
I agree with all your points haha! needs to have the power brick inside as the weber eg1 does.
Lance, you're the Jack Black of coffee... thanks for responding to my Reddit AMA post. I got it now! LOL
hahaha! Absolutely. Thanks for joining!
I can't help it; when you bring hugo out for the taste test, and you speed everything up, all I can see is Benny Hill smacking the old bald gut in the head - cue Benny Hill theme! Sorry if that's unkind, but I just can't unsee that in my head!
hahah oh my! Hope he doesn't read this lol
Totally!!
Thanks for another great review!
Yep it is a Niche Killer. Thanks Lance. Great review.
It's got a power supply that you would plug into an old laptop. Easily scratches when cleaning it and little brushes built in that aren't going to last more than a year or 2. That doesn't scream quality to me. Didn't get to see the motor so i don't know if it's a cheap Chinese one used or not. (i'm willing to bet it's not as good as the proven high quality motor used in the Niche tho) And remember Lance did say this grinder was made by a friends company. So a good pinch of salt is needed.
Hitting the Like button because of the excellent voice at the beginning! Also, already subscribed, so couldn't help ya there :P
That Jack Black impression is really solid, vocally
You, Lance, are the Jack Black of coffee
This dude is the Jack black of coffee. Rigadoo le-rigadoo oowah
After 51 seconds I immediately liked the video 😆
Lance, you are the Jack Black of coffee. ❤
Lance you are the jack black of coffee. As soon as you said it I saw it
They say you shouldn't buy your coffee gear because it looks good. But that is a beautiful piece of equipment 😍
Love it, and your channel! Cheers.
Thanks Lance, love your work! Waiting for a Niche alternative paid off, hoping for a huge upgrade over the Barista Express grinder! Is there anything else in the pipeline I should wait for or just go for it?
I think Lance offers more subtlety than Jack Black. More like Josh Gad. Or, with the mustache, the Ron Jeremy of coffee. As for all the Niche killers out there, what is there to kill? Trying to recall, but I can’t seem to recall a single grinder comparison involving the Niche in which it comes out on top with regard to actually making good-tasting coffee. It’s cute. It’s easy to adjust. The workflow. Yada yada yada. But where it really counts - the quality of the coffee that comes out of it - the Niche never seems to win. Femobook looks promising, indeed. Thanks for a great first look. Excited to see more.
Lance you really are the Jack Black of coffee
You are the Jack black of coffee!!! 🤟🏻🤟🏻
But I must say… I miss your moustache!!! 🥲
Also, Lance, why is torque never listed in motor specs? We only ever talk about power? But torque would be a way to look at motors that are published at the same power but one seems to jam more. And then turning on a motor first before feeding in the beans. This is only something recent where we can single dose and we are getting more into lightly roasted denser coffees. Surely this just would never happen in a hopper based grinder - or rather grinder manufacturers would not allow this to happen for commercial grinders. What do you think?
I've been wondering this myself. Give me a diesel coffee grinder. Might taste a little funny.
Coming soon! Cummings coffee grinder! 😂
Jack Black, you are the Lance Hedrick of coffee
YESSSSS Now let's get jablinsky to do a collab
This grinder looks impressive and the price sounds affordable
agreed!
Lance, you're the Jack Black of Coffee!!!
Lance, you’re the Jack Black of coffee !
Just ordered one, can't wait to try it out, thanks. I for years have only been drinking espresso, I have an ECM Synchronika espresso machine and currently using a niche grinder and roast my own beans with a Quest M3 roaster. I would like to start trying/drinking drip coffees. Do you have some videos you recommend of which equipment to look into. Thanks!
Lance! You ARE the Jack Black of coffee!
heck yeah! Thank you! Now let's pray for a collab
Very nice piece.
Would love to have one for personal home use.
You are indeed the Jack Black of coffee.
I've lately been enjoying light African espresso drinks with my Niche Zero--might not give me "balanced' flavors, but definitely super smooth flavors and consistency. I have been enjoying my Niche lately with light roasts. I never thought it would give me the desired smoothmess.
Lance you are the Lewis Black of coffee.
Jack, you are the Black Coffee of Lance - or something 🤔😁👍👍
this is it. This is lit.
0:56 I knew it! I told, team, not company)
Lance, you're the Jack black of coffee
Very nice review 👏
Lance, you're the Jack Black of coffee.
Lance, you are, indubitably, the Jack Black of coffee.
Lance, you’re the Jack Black of coffee 🚀
Lance you’re the Jack Black of coffee 😊
Man I had no idea Jack Black liked coffee this much. Really cool to see other aspects of his life!
Hahahaha i'm flattered.
Lance you are the Jack Black of Coffee
Lance, you're the Jack Black of coffee ✨
Thanks Lance.
Lance you’re the jack black of coffee.
PS:, eta on the zp6 special video?
Lance, you are the Jack Black of coffee XD
Lance, you're the Jack Black of coffee ☕🤘🏻
Lance, you are the Black Jack of Cofefve
Oh my gosh Lance! You're like the Jables of coffee! School of coffee when? :P
Lance you are the jack black of coffee
Good review! The Niche Zero goes for around $1,700 in Australia, so depending on the price landed here, the Niche is dead!
Just buy direct from Niche in UK. I did that and got it for ~$1020 Aud delivered 👍
@@Trenckyherbs Didn't even know that was a thing. I need to start up an online store, that mark up is crazy!
I ordered it direct from Niche and they shipped it to the USA. $560 earlier this year. Sounds like prices have changed.
Lance, you're the Jack Black of coffee.
rigg gigg gig gig a gigg
Lance.... you're the Jack Sparrow of coffee ;-)
The Jack Black of coffee reigns supreme
Hey blackjack. What burr is in the lagom mini? Sort of disappointed it finished last for both of you for pour over.
Lance, you ARE the Jack Black of coffee
Lance you're the jack black of coffee!
Lance you’re the Jack Black of Coffee.
Wow...this guy's are killing you with the Jack Black stuff...with regards to the "Niche Killer" suggestion, I think, new grinder will hurt the Niche, if it can meet demands. The Niche is a good grinder, but its scarcity, which fuels the price gouging, makes Femobook a great option for knocking down the current champ of conical grinders.
Lance you are the Jack Black of coffee
This is interesting...but is it as interesting as a the return of the cleanly shaven Lance?