MK27 Mod 2 (SOCOM's Glock)
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- Video overview of my clone of SOCOM's MK27 Mod 2 Handgun. Thanks for watching!
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“You can’t use a full size Glock because then you’d ignore the full size berettas. But you can use a compact Glock and ignore the berettas” is just about the most army thing I’ve ever heard 😂
I remember hearing this is also the reason the MK12 SPR has an 18" barrel. they wanted a precision 20" but the army said "nah we already got 20"ers, use the m16 barrels" so they came back and asked for 18"ers and it worked lol.
@@xavierh.5102 this is correct ^
The military isn’t immune to bureaucracy, even SOCOM
@@xavierh.5102 big army moment
So what you are saying is we can use a Glock 17 instead of using a Glock 19
@Ariel Traasdahl you need to get a room for your .357 Sig. 🤣
My cell in SFARTAETC, was one of the first to go through the whole course with Glocks, our unit purchased sim kits which allowed this to happen. Not having to manipulate a decocker is worth it's wait in gold after 3 months of intense cqb/markmanship. Gurwitch was one of the instructors at that time as well.
Very cool!
@@InferiorRifles Jeff Gurwitch here, good video!
@@ModernTacticalShooting thanks 🙏
Nice try, liar. No one in SF refers to it as a "cell."
Cloning pistols issued to SOCOM in general and SF in particular is hard since the units have a very liberal idea of what constitutes "unauthorized modification". it is quite common to see a team of 12 dudes and none of their weapons are the same at all. Privately purchased sights, lights, magazine releases, slide stops, etc.
This goes for pretty much any rifle or pistol issued to SOCOM. Generally, cloners will either use contracted parts to clone an “average” gun of that type, or we’ll clone a specific rifle from one or more reference photos.
@@LiminalSpaces777 like I said in the comment above, you can either build a clone based on a specific list of contracted parts, or you can build one based on a specific reference photo. So to answer your question, no.
Lol I don’t think the Roland Special helped this at all
And it’s been coming out that SOCOM has been moving to the M17 In highly modified versions and AWAY from the Glock.
@@soonerfrac4611 not shocked by that. I tried to like the 320. I really did. Just couldn’t.
My buddy is currently in Army Special Forces, and at least in his old unit, a CRF (an elite cadre of Green Berets who specialize in Direct Action (DA), Counterterrorism (CT), and Hostage Rescue (HR) missions), he/his unit used a G22 Gen3 with a Surefire X300 for suppressed missions, and had a G35 slide for unsuppressed operations…
The CRF/CRIF guys got stuck with hand me downs from a certain SMU.
I own one of the concept pistols used by SOCOM to introduce the pistol optic for this project.
Very cool!
huh. I had a Mk27 Mod0 clone (with correct barrel and sights) and I didn't even know it.
I’ve been waiting on this video for about 10 years now . Great video
Awesome walk thru - I build a Flux PDW from a P320 FCG and OEM barrel and slide and have a SiCo Omega 9K running on it. I also love SIG’s MOD-X9 and have a full length version running on a G19 with a Recover Tactical brace for a simile configuration. I prefer the Omega on the stouter PDW due to weight while the SIG can is stupid light on the other setup.
Good info, thanks for sharing. Love the Clone History!!
I built my Faux-land Special on the Gen5 G45 MOS platform. I have the Surefire 300U, Trijicon RDS HRS, CHWPS Leo/Mil v4 plate, Ameriglo tall suppressor set, and KKM barrel with comp.
Great video. I’ve thought about building one for awhile
Dang even regular gen 4 MOS 19s are hard to find these days! Sweet build. Not sure if I like the RMR or the Acro more in your new video. Great content man!
That’s because they’re now LE/Military only. Glock is pushing Gen 4’s to official use, and the public gets the Gen 5. Reason being is all the armorers in the agencies would have to be retrained, all inventories would have to be replaced, it’d create a nightmare.
So only other way would be to find one in a LGS or private sale. Luckily, I got mine at a LGS and made a bootleg ripoff of a Mk 27 but I feel it’s a very accurate representation of one
when you refer to the DPP and zoom in on that Glock in a hard case, it's a Gen 5 G17. Those issued Gen 5 G17s have a special MOS cut that's direct milled for DPP and no rear sight dovetail, you have to use the DPP's provision to attach a rear sight to the optic.
Correct, you’re referring to the MOS3 system from Glock. Got my pictures switched when looking for reference photos
I think you may be the only person that remembered the DPP cut specific version existed
This may be my favorite channel
Solid video and content!
Diehard cloners certainly are a ridiculous bunch. 🤣 Good on you for going practical and functional.
The type of people to build a 5k rifle to shoot at an indoor range once a year, post a video on it, and tell you how inferior your build is compared to theirs
@@Basement_Operator Trufax. "I spent over 3 bills on a 4-prong" 🤣
That is surprising considering the far East is considered the clone / counterfeit capital of the world. It's even funnier considering your videos of 12.5" Gordon knockoffs
@@DowntownDeuce2 You'll have to expand on the far East comment.
I don't know what you're referring to as I don't have a Gordon clone.
@@bunnyoperator I'm not surprised. Perhaps your parents can explain it to you...
Great review, subscribed.
Forward Control Design is an absolute BEAST!!! and customer service is amazing!!
Indeed, the 3 or 4 orders I’ve placed with FCD have all shipped within an hour
@@InferiorRifles Top notch customer service he always responds to any questions you may have and the quality of product is awesome
Love your channel name, true generally to all clones
It’s always nice when someone gets the joke without me having to explain it lol. Thanks for watching
Never knew about the Glock maritime pistols pretty cool
I saw one of these upclose in Jordan carried by a MARSOC dude. I was pissed bc I had a basic issue M9 in a Milt Sparks summer special with two spares stuffed in my pocket and he had this bad boi in an appendix holster with mag side saddle.
Really cool in germany the feds got a MP5 E its a MP5 with some mods issued by the feds really cool thing
I own a mod 2 as well but with the original 13.5 lh barrel. Pawn shop find, didn't know what they had
Man im just saying, you got a very nice voice. Amazing video as well!
Love this channel
Thanks
Was the AAC Ti-Rant 9S used at all with the Mk27 or considered against the suppressors you mentioned?
The grip that soldier has on the M9 is astonishing
I spent many years as an NCO marksmanship instructor teaching rifle and pistol. It was quite easy to correct bad habits when it came to rifle but people seem to have this attitude that they’re still gonna do what they wanna do when it comes to shooting a pistol. They think they know better than the instructors. It’s no wonder their scores always sucked. There’s a reason there are only a few tried and trued ways to shoot a pistol if you want to make reliable hits. If you don’t learn them or you think your way is better, you will miss. My unit was squared away but we often had to run ranges and teach other units. I absolutely hated it. The people we tried to teach never adapted to the training well and never took it seriously. Nothing was learned and nothing was accomplished. It’s amazing but many people in the military don’t actually shoot, train with, handle, or own firearm in their private lives outside of the military. So they never get used to them. If you’re lower enlisted and live in the barracks, you can’t have a firearm. If you live on post in government housing, you can have a firearm but registering it with the Provost Marshall is a hassle. If there are any domestic situations and that gun is mentioned, you could be arrested and kicked out of the military. If you live off post, you can’t conceal carry back and forth to and from post, not since 9/11 anyway. You’re not supposed to. It’s a big mess. All these rules are in place. The people who are supposed to protect freedom are less free than everybody else.
I went back and looked at that pic. How was he even holding that gun? Amazing!
That can be said about most US soldiers. I’m starting to believe that the government just requires warm bodies over proficient warriors.
@@durrtybuck8949
Starting to believe? That’s all they ever wanted. Young, dumb, obedient, strong, and brainless. When I finally figured out what was going on, 15 years had already passed.
Is this why I can't find a G19 Gen3 with threaded barrel anywhere? (non-MOS)
I've heard of team guys using Glocks. Most that I've heard talk about it, say they prefer the Glock over the Sig they'd typically carry, but that they've jumped back and forth between both over the years.
Interesting, thanks for sharing
So does a 19 Gen 4 with no MOS will be considered a MK27 or not? Thank you.
I have a Gen 3 with an MOS. It's got a custom OD lower with a custom OD camo finish on the slide
I have a Gen 3, can someone send me the link to proper clone correct Trigicon sights? I currently have factory Glock night sights.
What sights do you have on there?
Is the barrell 13.5x1LH or is it 1/2x28?
i own a factory Glock 19 Gen 4 MOS with factory threaded barrel. It was advertised as US made barrel the half by 28. However, found out while the Glock is US made (US and Georgia marked) the barrel is OEM metric 13.5x1LH.
Sportsman guide saod that run was part pf government contract that fell through.
What differs this one from glock 45 mos threaded barrel? Its a 19 frame with a 17 lengh barrel. I just picket mine up and stumbled upon this vid by chance.
The Glock 45 has a 17 (full size) length grip.
I’m don’t know why Glock doesn’t include the Maritime cups standard on all 9mm models.
Because they have a shorter service life
And I’ve also heard they’re not that much more effective than the regular ones
The don't work that well
@@InferiorRifles this, the service life/change interval is around half the standard cups and they have no appreciable benefit over the standard ones. If there's a difference under water i've never noticed it in testing. Maybe if the sample size was larger there would be. If you've got a pool handy try it, it's pretty fun. 9mm only goes like 4-8' underwater. I tried the oem maritime cups once(different 19) and they deformed after around 2,000 rounds to the point where it was jamming up the firing pin's movement.
What are the measurements on those trijicon suppressor height sights? Or a part number?
GL201-C-600649
So what are they using as a holster system for this setup? Apart from the Crye Gun Clip and a few dorky "gAmE cHaNgEr" holsters put out by a few random companies, I've yet to see what I'd consider to be THE hoster solution to suppressed pistols. Anybody know?
The MK27 is not intended to be holstered suppressed.
In Finland we have had nearly identical Glock versions being sold since 2006. First Pro-versions were G17 Pro and G19 Pro gen 3 (I have one of early G17 Pro's). Threaded barrel (usually 13.5x1LH), maritime cups, extended slide lock, (-) connector. Major difference are sights, which are usually basic height Trijicon tritiums. Gen 4 was available both MOS and non-MOS. Gen 5 they didn't do Pro-version anymore, but threaded barrel version is being sold. I bought myself G19 gen5 threaded version in December and have Holosun 509T on it. I also have B&T Impuls II Compact suppressor.
What is a “Pro” version? Does it say “Pro” on the box or the gun as an official Glock designation or is that just a term that the finnish Glock importer decided on for the threaded barrel models?
The reason G19's in Finland all have threaded barrels is because without it, it goes into 'taskuase' ('pocket pistol') category by a few mm. I think it's because of Glock's different grip angle, since most other handguns of the same size don't need the threaded barrel to be okay (CZ P10C for example)
@@Bisley1 Pro isn't mentioned on the box or engraved on the pistol. I've been told they came from factory like this, per importer order.. Barrel is Glock original.
@@NP-cq3vb Yes and no. Barrel does work as suppressor mount and G19 with B&T Compact is pretty handy package.
@@NP-cq3vb interesting. Glock had or has a similar thing in the US with import pistols. That is why the G26 comes with adjustable sights and the compacts and subcompacts have trigger serrations. Apparently there is some kind of check list that includes features and dimensions and each gun needs to tick so many, to still be considered a sporting gun and be imported into the US.
I still have a few friends active in ranger batt. Most of them prefer the leopold dot for whatever reason
The Delta Point is a great option too, I didn’t mean to imply that the RMR was necessarily superior. They both have pros and cons
Big clear glass windows with super crisp dot and edge to edge clarity. RMRs are very blue spectrum glass to get better battery life from a masked LED emitter and they have edge distortions.
They are SUPER durable though. Each optic has its place.
I heard that glocks don’t suppress well, what’s your opinion on that? I plan on doing this same build with a Glock 17
They’re not the best suppressor hosts in existence, but they work fine assuming the gun/piston assembly is maintained frequently
Very cool
I’ve been seeing the term “clone” used a lot in the comments. Idk if that is slang or jargon but could anyone kindly inform me on what that means?
Cloning is the hobby of building firearms that replicate issued service weapons
Very nice
Carried this for years and years in regiment
I feel like this is sort of a production version of Pressburg’s Roland Special. Minus the comp of course.
I actually have one of the Glock metric thread Gen 4 barrels. I wish it was the 1/2” though. For the sake of interchangeability
Also, still using an old TiRant 9
I've heard from different sources that the 14.5mm barrel is superior over the 1/2×28 one because it doesn't back out when firing. Have glocks with both types, never noticed a difference between them. Neither has backed out even the slightest. 🤷♂️
But honestly, it's just a swap of the actual piston. AFAIK, it's really just a preference/ availability thing. OEM threaded barrels for glock are rather rare for any model, and most after markets use the standard threading.
Also, if you're looking for a standard threading barrel, Bear Creek Arsenal and Brownells make pretty solid barrels that are budget friendly... at least they were when I bought mine.
@@lincolnpascual interesting observation. I happened to stumble over the thing on GemTech’s website one day and jumped on it. Now I just wish there more available for the Glock 48
@@gtcam723 48... hmm. Is the locking block for the 48 different from the 19? I don't have a 48, so I can't compare, but if you have both models, you should check it out. I know 17 and 19 barrels aren't cross compatible because the lock blocks are different, but glock makes most of their numerous models cross compatible with other models of similar size... 9mm and 40 cal barrels are interchangeable, 380 and 357, and i think the 10mm and 45 are also interchangeable (but i might be wrong about that one. I've don't the 40cal/9mm swap numerous times across 17 and 19 frames, so i know those for sure work. Look into it though, maybe you get lucky and can use a 19 barrel in your 48?
@@lincolnpascual the muzzle hole in the slide is smaller as is the barrel OD
@@gtcam723 oh damn. That's a bummer. Well, if the usual sites don't have em, ebay sometimes does. There are a bunch of reputable custom barrel shops that sell on ebay. It's a hit or miss thing though in availability. Best of luck finding one. Every time i sell a sale on barrels, i try to buy at least a couple, just to have spares for other builds or replacements. Wish i could help further.
Any difference In Slide marking designations for model or cage codes from a standard Gen 4 MOS?
I have seen photos of a data matrix engraved on the bottom of the trigger guard of a MK27, although I don’t know exactly when that change was implemented. As for the slide, there are no differences in the markings though it should be mentioned that the Mod 2 is made in the USA (as opposed to Austria).
@@InferiorRifles thanks. I knew there had to be something to indicate it.
I have a G19.4 with an RMR, Trijicon suppressor sights, threaded factory barrel, Surefire X300U and an OSS Rad9 silencer and I discovered that Glocks are trash suppressor hosts. All my USP tactical, P30, MK23 and VP9 tactical optics ready pistols don’t give me a single issue though. Such a shame as I think very highly of Glock and see them as the best value semi auto pistol ever made. Cool video though.
I just wanna know who at Sig is felating the army brass to be winning so many damn contracts.
So I work on these in a socom unit and I have yet to see a threaded barrel on any of them. the majority of glocks being used in a ODA are stock G19s and G17s (gen 2-3) with the exception of a few with RMR cuts that can be done at your local machinist. modifications are made later by the individual so if you wish to do a clone you can purchase a stock G19 or G17 and have a clone.
Hopefully they can go to the G45 now
What holster would they use with the suppressor?
Surefire masterfire probably.
You think had socom waited a few more years they could have opted for the 19x instead?
Could've been a possibility.
What holster would be used with this pistol if it were to be suppressed?
I personally wouldn’t try to holster this with the suppressor attached. End users will typically attach the suppressor after drawing the pistol from the holster, assuming they choose to carry the suppressor in the first place.
I have to agree, you don't "holster" suppressed pistol, in war you already know how your going in...even if it doesn't work out
Which piston did you get for your omega 9k?
SilencerCo 1/2X28 with the black finish. It should be noted that the trials suppressor in the reference photo used a stainless piston.
Couldn’t get cleared for full sized pistols? They existed. Gen 3 22’s w/ Dawson precision adjustable sights and the OG tan .40 mags with the +1 baseplate.
Those were used exclusively by JSOC and were purchased at a unit level, therefore they didn't need approval from big Army. The MK27 program was for all of SOCOM, therefore it did.
@@InferiorRifles then how did i come up on some on Ft. Benning????
@@sancfireactual307 What time frame?
@@JEJAK5396 2012 RRC and regiments sniper sections had been using Gen 3 glock 19’s and 22’s for a few years before that. 22’s being more prevalent. Probs because of JSOC. But they existed.
Big Army taking its time go figure.
Does that have an improved ejector over the vanilla G19?
Not that I’m aware of.
@inferiorrifles how is the mk13 build coming along?
Still a few months out.
Edit: it’s on its way back from RBA
@@InferiorRifles nice. I'm looking forward to seeing the completion video.
Isn’t MARITIME SPRING CUPS also another thing that’s difference?
Someone didn’t watch the whole video.
What is the difference between the MK27 and the Roland Special?
Well, one is a designation for a gun used by SOCOM, and the other is a dead fad.
Awesome information, you got yourself a new subscriber. Do you know what the SOCOM maintenance looks like? I’ve been seining this information out for a long time with little success but have some more maybe someone knows the answer to. I’m sure when they train they are putting hundreds of rounds down range a day; do they clean them daily? What do they use to clean and lube?
As with all US military small arms, they will typically be cleaned after every shooting session or exposure to the elements if/when possible. They may not necessarily need to be cleaned that often, but the military takes a uniform approach to weapon maintenance for the most part.
that is pretty neat that we almost got issued glocks in the military
I'm salty the m17 is soooo top heavy
Yep if it wasn't for the fact that Glock wanted more money for accessories..... It would be to this day.
Looks dope.
Gen 5 Glock 45 9mm with threaded barrel?
@Chano Leyva exactly. Give me the opposite set up. Glock 17 slide on a 19 frame.
My next glock
Im honestly surprised they went with the sig suppressor. I'm sure the modularity is nice but the durability, low maintenance and versatility of the omega 9k is hard to beat IMO.
Silencerco was not taken seriously by DOD. They are considered a niche commercial supplier, whose facilities, funding, production and supply capability are marginal at best.
Any idea what holster they're running with the suppressor?
Generally speaking, users don’t holster a suppressed pistol. They would carry the suppressor in a separate pouch and attach it as needed after drawing the pistol from a standard holster, which would vary anywhere from a Blackhawk Serpa to a Sarfariland 6004 or a more modern ALS model
Trex arms makes dropleg suppressor holsters. But surprisingly the armpit position works quite well for a suppressed handgun.
@@50shadesofcerakote I love Trex arms ♥️
@@50shadesofcerakote I’m aware, but I wouldn’t consider the ragnarok-sd a “duty” holster. The pistol isn’t secure enough, Lucas himself has said this much
@@DevonReclaimed that is fucking weird, but okay.
I wonder how many Staccatos they have
I’ve only heard of older STI 2011’s being used by Delta, though the US Marshal SOG Team now uses a Staccato P Duo with a Delta Point Pro and Surefire X300U.
Glock, because it works.
Lowest bidder shit is real.
In the 80s, Beretta and Sig were neck and neck for the big army contract. Big Army demanded a second round of bidding. Beretta lowered their price, while Sig opted not to.
I'm sure the fact that SOCOM pays roughly $300 per Glock unit has something to do with the current armories. :)
Lowest bidder. That met the standard.
The cost per performance for a Glock can’t really be beat. I’m betting you’ll start seeing m17/m18 replace SOCOM Glocks as they fall out though. From an acquisition stand point they’re “free” to SOCOM from big army so they won’t have to buy glocks with unit funds. And from the factory they can do all the stuff these SOCOM Glocks do. Optics plates, modular grips, mag wells, threaded barrels. All user serviceable and changeable.
@@jamesgarrison5546surprised more companies haven't gone for Sig's FCU style system. It seems like the future of handgun end user customization.
Everyone is special forces except for me.Maybe if I make a specops platform, a gun to ordinary plebs, I will automaticly turn into a speops operator.😮
The reasoning behind the choice of a compact pistol is almost as annoying as the compact pistol itself. This setup would be so much more attractive on a G17 or G34.
Have there been any gen 5s spotted?
Not of the MK27. There have been Gen 5 Glocks seen in use by SF though.
Walther P99/PPQ/PDP is without a doubt the greatest striker fired pistol of all time
I like mine. But the HK VP9 is better. Imo
I'm partial to any pistol with a paddle mag release.
Try to service it yourself or try to get parts for it, good luck with that!
ok we need a shooting video
This looks a LOT like a ROLAND SPECIAL minus the compensator on the barrel.
So to clarify… this looks like a Roland Special minus the one defining characteristic of a Roland Special?
A roland special?
Roland specials typically have a compensator
😍😍😍
I hate the light sticking out in front. I rather have it flush. And I like the aftermarket slides that lighten it up and it needs a stipple job. Make the guns easier to shoot honestly.
I prefer to have the light sticking out. It’s a good stand off device. Just in case if an intruder or assailant gets too close, you could press it against them without pushing your slide out of battery. That way you won’t have a dead trigger.
@@DocMitchell69 full power weapon light gang
@@TerranPlanetaryDefenseForce Represent!
Yeah a trl-7 would look so much better.
After watching this I’m kicking myself in the ass my first pistol which I traded for a g17 and sig320 was a factory threaded barrel glock gen 3 I got $500 off Both pistols wham I added in a bolt gun
we still have gen 3 frames on our team believe it or not lol
I’d believe it, Gen 3 19’s were used for quite a while before the Gen 4’s were acquired and given the “MK27” designation
Such a shame XDs don't get more love. They actually come standard with fully supported chambers.
That may be the one positive feature on the XD’s.
I’m sorry man but XDs are absolutely terrible guns. They don’t meet the MRBS or MRBF of any contract I’ve ever seen. Which is why they’re not purchased by any units and they’re not allowed for most LE departments that follow the testing.
@@jamesgarrison5546 I've never heard or seen anyone ever have any issues with XDs. hell, you can fire 45 Super out of an XD with slight modification. Something I'm pretty sure you can't do with Glock, at least not long term. Also, the requirements for a contract doesn't have to completely do with durability or accuracy. I imagine a lot of units just don't want a grip safety especially because honestly, LE caters to the lowest common denominator of recruits.
@@saurelius5217 XD was dropped from MHS trials because they were so unreliable. In the first round of testing.
@@GPOLICE I'm not one to not admit when I'm wrong and would concede if proven wrong. That being said, Yeager is a moron and a hypocrite. The man bitches about how 1911s are obsolete junk and than goes to a factory where they make 1911s and praises the company.
That thing needs sling swivels and a bungee. More add ons than a GI Joe. So much for the KISS principle.
Right? The light? Ok....the threaded barrel and suppressor? Meh not sure.
I honestly never got the point of pistol suppressors. They still make a pretty decent noise unless you are using subsonic ammo.....
It’s missing the toaster….
Beretta makes Glock look ridiculous
Funny there is a video of sf shooting glock 19s. They look nothing like this.
Were they purple?
almost the same as a Rollins Special IMO
*Roland Special. And not really, the key feature of a Roland is the compensator, which the MK27 doesn’t have. It’s just like any other Glock with a red dot and a flashlight.
@@InferiorRifles touche i like it though
HK Mk 23
And the replacement HK Mk 24!
How massive are your hands Jesus
They’re proportional to my 6’8’’ body. Thanks for watching
Although the new sigs they can change the grip and slide and barrel turning it to a compact lol
Yeah but the Glocks are drop safe, lol!
@@reachblowsdick7222 lol. Well I've heard they fixed that problem. I also don't care i never drop my firearms lol. And I run the sig 320 they had a recall on trigger and they allegedly fixed it. Although never tested it lol
@@bryansmith94 - I'm sure they did but there's still post 2018 upgraded P320 having accidental discharges and I'm not going to risk finding out the hard way, especially with so many other better options on the market.
@Bryan Smith - Also changing the grip, slide and barrel converting it into a compact cost just as much as a compact, why not just buy a compact?
@@reachblowsdick7222 for us yes. But when the army buys bulk they get a discount.
What is up with "cloning" real question and if your this deep into military gear this should be common knowledge
Algorithm.
Gen 4 cuz its better than a 3. Read it and weap.
Gen 5 all day everyday. I just never liked the finger grooves. Wish the Gen 4 never had those.
@@DocMitchell69 I prefer Gen 4 is immensely because of the grip texture and recoil spring. I also love the finger grooves. Which is why I purchased as many gen 4S as I can get my hands on after the Gen 5 came out. So many idiots were dumping theirs just to get a Gen 5. Also New Gen 4 was going to be going away after Gen 5 got popular.
@@napalmstickylikeglue Oh yeah, I think the Gen 4 was a massive improvement on the Gen 3. My fingers are juuust too fat to fit in the finger grooves comfortably, but the mag release was a perfect addition for my short and fat thumb. All in all, I think they should’ve just made the Gen 4 with and without finger grooves to appeal to both parties. But of course in classic Apple like fashion, Glock had to milk their pistols as much as possible with incremental changes.
The glock 17 sucks anyways, its too big and the grip angle sucks. The glock 19 is the best glock ever made. I have a 19 gen 4 and love it
Really? That's crazy because I have the complete opposite preference. I own them both and enjoy shooting them but I always grab a 17 before I leave the house.
trigger is set looks like...
So let’s say one of us happens to have one….?