2024 Monaco Grand Prix Race Review | P1 Podcast
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- Matt and Tommy dive into all the talking points from the Monaco Grand Prix from Charles Leclerc's win to Kevin Magnussen escaping a race ban.
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The only race ive seen with 78 formation laps
Valterri and Lance broke formation, where are the penalties FIA!?
Only race I never watch every season. Glad I didn't this year again.
That was a race???
Wow, somehow I feel cheated.
Thank god I didn't spent a dime to watch some of it.
I must confess I got bored and went visit some friends
@@razielbeoulve819 Don't forget Sergeant. He also made an overtake after the first laps after the starts.
@@Kraiden85best qualifying, worst race. Every year
They didn't talk about Tommy's 1 crazy prediction "no one crashes" 🤣
Yeah, when they took Valteri off track with a hook, Q1 was it.?.. You know that's barely a crash... Wonder if that will count?
I actually think that Carlos Sainz was one of the biggest winners this weekend. Without the red flag, he would have been P16 or something or maybe even worse because of his puncture. He had so much luck that the old order was reinstated and he got his P3 back
Between the lack of impeding penalty and the red flag reset Sainz was the luckiest mofo in the whole race.
To be fair he is been so unlucky with penalties, the stewards do nit like this guy. Not to say that they were not deserved but some were harsh. He just got to see the light of day
A complete joke. No team but Ferrari gets that break.
Winners? That was total bullshit, that he was reinstaled on p3
@@ADAKAR83it’s just the regulation though. Zhou was still in sector one when the red flag was brought.
The red flag basically removed the only chance for Ferrari to fuck it up. I'm pretty sure Leclerc was doing some hardcore fist pumping while people weren't looking, knowing he most likely didn't need to pit.
acting like ferrari has been so bad since Fred came in
@@bastiian13I agree, Fred has got something really good going on here with Ferrari.
@@bastiian13he improved but it's still Ferrari. They haven't shown that this isn't warranted
The red flag was so lucky for Charles. If Carlos is not splitting the McLarens they could have picked him off with an undercut.
@@gene7887even Max couldn't pass George. 77 laps parade.
Alex Jacques commentary of the last lap was the best I have heard in 22 years that I’ve been watching F1
That’s why I rate Alex incredibly highly. He outclasses Crofty in every respect. Outclasses ALL commentators.
I recognize Jacques skills as a commentator, but I can’t stand his voice.
And yet we get Crofty saying he was a "cut above the rest"
agreed i was pouring tears lmao
2021 abu dahbi with crofty i think beats it
The race was won by the only resident of Monaco that's actually from Monaco lol
Everyone else moves there because they want to be his neighbor 🤗
Monaco 1-2 by the Leclerc family, no less.
2nd. It’s been done before.
@@f.kieranfinney457 that's not what I said tho haha
I don’t know how you guys got a 54 minute podcast out of this but good job 😂
FIA rants take time as well as the yearly Monaco discussion and the bad TV Broadcast
48 minutes talking about Leclerc, 4 minutes about it being boring, 2 minutes about Piastri
The more boring the race is, the longer the podcast episode is lol
@@emmata98 Actually the TV broadcast was fine... it was hardly a challenging broadcast anyway.
just my two bits: why 54 minutes? perhaps because there's much to consider and they have their considerations! I am begging the boys (I'm old I can call them boys) for time stamps tbh because I want to be able to give my attention to the fullest and combine it with all the things I have to do at the same time !
Fred brings some kind of a "cool uncle figure" vibe to Ferrari - and I really like that
I didn't see any race. This was just an expensive traffic jam.
At 180km??
Monaco
Cope
💯
A very quick parade. Zero passes in the top ten for the whole race.
The race is just a glorified fp4 session
No, there are more overtakes in free practice. This was just a bunch of formation laps
@@purple4395I was gonna say, the practice sessions were actually way more exciting to watch. 77 formation laps is an accurate way to describe the race.
Race? This was a parade… a snoozefest
@@belingsI was on the edge of my seat worrying about whether the monaco curse strikes again and the camera cuts to Charles being in the wall
...say that again without crying! 😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣
The bit about Ocon ignoring team orders and sending one up the inside because 'why not' has me absolutely dead 😂
HAAS had just about the worst weekend you could possibly have.
RBR's pretty much sucked too
Ocon tried to claim for Alpine and would have if he had knocked Gasly
By the bills, It's almost as if Mick and Nikita are still driving for HAAS.
They need to just sell to Andretti
Since I have both Haas drivers and the constructors on my fantasy team I ended up with -90 points
Why is everybody focusing on Bozzi's "we are not interested" and not on the "WE ALREADY KNOW"! Which is the opposit of "we are checking" and THAT'S what's awesome🎉😂
Hear me out: you do the whole weekend normal up until the race, and then for the race everyone switches to f3 cars so they're small enough to actually race
Lmaooo you cooked
Hold op... That might work. Great idea
Make them race superkarts. As fast and nuts. Absolutely mental things and they can go multiple karts wide.
Or if they have to be in F1 cars, make it a team pursuit or time trial, so overtaking isn't required.
Tommy walking on eggshells when describing the Charles win and Matt ready to punch if Tommy takes anything away from that wonderful Charles win 😂
I was gonna time stamp that and write “the worst moment for Matt” 2:55
Perez saw Magnussen, even checked his mirrors multiple times, and had a ton of room on the left as you can see on Hulkenberg’s onboard. Magnussen is entitled to the space on the straight per the rules. Stupid move? Sure. But no argument anyone has made for Magnussen getting a penalty actually makes sense from a perspective of the racing rules, it’s all based on vibes.
Agreed. Perez saw him and didn’t change trajectory. Perez is useless
Spot on!. I can only assume the MAG busters haven't seen either A: The helicopter shot B: The Perez onboard (seeing him looking in his mirror - a lot) C: The Hulk onboard, or D: all of the above.
True. He even appeared to steer to try and squeeze Kmag. Both drivers have some share of the responsibility for that mess.
I actually don't see how it was a stupid move. If Perez had left the space he should have, the crash would not have happened. Perez knew he wouldn't be able to repass Kmag, so he chose to "close the door" So in hindsight wasn't that stupid aswell, when he knew there was another car there?
😂😂😂😂😂cry more. Every driver and pundits thinks Kmag is as stupid as your hypocrite comments supporting him
You guys are way off on the Magnussen crash.
The stewards decided it was a racing incident, which is fair imo. There was a gap, Perez saw Magnussen and squeezed him. The fact that Magnussen already has a shit ton of penalty points doesn't mean he can't be involved in a racing incident.
Saying that "the whole point of penalty points is to stop drivers repeatedly causing incidents", does not mean that every 50/50 incident automatically becomes Magnussen's fault.
On point, and the Rules in F1 state that:"Both the overtaking and leading car have the responsibility to avoid a collision. This means overtaking at a safe time and place, and the leading car giving space when possible." Meaning that Perez should have left space enough for the other car to "exist"
For sure, their excuses of kmag having penalty points and the even sillier you shouldnt go for an overtake in monaco, neither of those are actual factors. It isnt illegal to overtake on a track
It wasn't a 50/50 incident.
@@sheldoniusRex Perez should have left the space according to the FIA rules. He did not.
K-Mag did not have the energy available to pass Checo on that straight no matter what he did. There was nothing inside the known laws of physics which would have made that pass on. He did not have the momentum, horsepower, or battery necessary to achieve a pass inside of the length of road available, even if Checo had given him room. That pass was NEVER on.
POV: Waiting an entire day for the Race Review just for an hour rant about KMag
And they're completely wrong on the Kmag/Perez incident!
@@brianrasmussen2956 They're wrong quite often... I don't like a lot of their views but I like them they're entertaining and genuinely nice people from the looks of it just different viewpoints
@@randallsheriff3529 I also find Matt and Tommy entertaining. Why I follow them. And I'm not afraid to help them, when they're wrong. The FIA rule is very clear on this. The stewards chose to give Perez the benfit of the doubt.
Could probably drop the "ban" from the thumbnail and it'd still make sense... Happy for Charles though!
Best comment for this podcast. Genius!
😂😂
In one word or less - NOPE
I disagree with all the hate on Magnussen, Perez knew Magnussen was there, you could see he looked at his mirror on the onboard. Perez just refuses to give Magnussen room, while Magnussen is along side him. This resulted in the crash. So, I would say a race-accident is a fair assessment from the stewards. If anything, Perez was more at fault, because he could move to the left and avoid the contact.
And so say the rules of F1 :"Both the overtaking and leading car have the responsibility to avoid a collision. This means overtaking at a safe time and place, and the leading car giving space when possible." Like Alonso said:" All' de' time you 'ave to leava'da space"
The Oscar Piastri-Leclerc story has to be the funniest big surprise of Monaco 😂
AInt that slightly technically incest ...
Fred Vasseur's entry into ferrari has been the best thing to ever happen to ferrari and formula 1
I love that man with all my heart.
Rule #1 of the 2024 season- stay away from K-Mag at all cost.
Rule #2: if you see two alpine battling in front of you, back down. If they are behind, push like there's no tommorow
Especially when you're in a red bull and should be nowhere near a haas anyway
They will never learn.
The BARRIER made me do it!!!
Just to point this out, the Formula E race at Monaco earlier this year had 197 overtakes over 31 laps. Formula One on the exact same circuit, with 78 laps of '''racing''', had 4 overtakes.
Monaco is still a great circuit, but like Brands Hatch or Watkins Glen, the modern track just isn't suitable for modern F1 cars. If F1 wants to keep racing at Monaco the cars will have to get smaller, and while the 2026 regs are a step in the right direction, I'm not sure it goes far enough.
Isnt Formula E absolutly wreckless with shunting each other and such? If F1 did that every driver would get 11 penaltypoints so they dont need to ban then? Well this might work!
Saw this elsewhere, and don't know how you swing it in a cost cap era, but one solution is to have a fully different set of design specs for Monaco or similar circuits (Hungary etc) with just a much smaller car and less aero. It's an extreme measure but mandating 3 pit stops or bringing back refueling don't address the lack of overtakes. The only thing that will is racing physically smaller cars.
@@gene7887 Someone in a coment above suggested super Karts. Now hear me out, it doesn't sound that bad lol
In one of the vintage races, 1960 cars, Adrian Newey pulled off a beautiful pass in entrance to the hairpin that was amazing. Can not be done in today’s cars.
Wouldn’t it be awesome to have a 1950 “Fangio Alfa Romero” spec car (but with modern safety features) that every single driver uses. Yeah, it’s a huge expense, but after the first year you’d only need to replace parts that break, etc…
A win worth waiting for. His Dad and Jules are smiling down on him and will be for a long time.
Really? I have seen zero racing. What a shit show.
How to improve the racing in Monaco.
- Random spurts of oil on track
- Open it up to traffic
- Special Monaco cars (2 stroke Rotax GO-Karts)
- Rework the final corner
- Only (20 + lap) used tires on the cars during the race
- Make 3 mandatory pit stops, and add speed bumps in the pit lane
- Have people with paint ball guns shooting the drivers as the go by.
- Pirelli offering 1 used (Random side) tire in a set of four to all drivers, and all are different.
- Open up DRS near the second half of the tunnel
You forgot: half the field clockwise, the other half counterclockwise.
You know you're starting to develop some kind of parasocial relationship when the first thing you think when you find out Charles is on pole is "Matt must be so happy."
As soon as I seen Leclerc win I thought the same thing 😂👌
Dude seriously… whenever something happens to Leclarc, I’m always like: “Matt’s gonna love/hate this” (depending on if things are going well or awfully for Charles Leclarc)
I think you guys are being a bit too harsh on K-Mag. After watching it a million times from different angles, I still think Perez shoudl've/could've left K-Mag more spacr. Yes, it was extremely opportunistic by K-Mag, but that's who he is. It wasn't a really dumb move imo. He had every right to put his car there, even though it was a really "risky right".
I work in live TV (I do all of the Goodwood racing events etc) and I can guarantee the director and their assistants 100% knew what was going on with the crashes and were indeed waiting to make sure everyone was okay before cutting it up. The cameras will have been focused on the drivers so race control can see what is happening and respond accordingly. Sadly this means sometimes we have to focus in on people in a bad way but it's essential to get them the help they need ASAP. The director may not have put it up on the world feed but race control would have been seeing it the whole time.
Just to be clear, there is no mandatory pit stop, you just have to use two compounds of tyres.
I am happy for Leclerc but this was the first time in a long time I actually fell asleep during the race.
20:13 Tommy and Matt are dead wrong. Magnussen was alongside and the right to that space on the track was his, Perez is at fault.
Correct! Perez should have left space, instead he closed the door. Resulting in the crash wich was totally avoidable.
I felt it was 100% KMag until I saw the slowmo onboard from Perez where he's looking in his mirror at KMag and he turns his wheel to the right pushing KMag into the barrier. I think they are both at fault but Perez saw him and had half the road to the left of him perfectly clear it's 60/40 Perez to me.
Hard one. Similar situation in Miami with Sargeant. K-Mag had bit his car next to another and there is a crash. Or he got there then unfairly punished. Or he was lucky he was not punished here and that would have resulted in a race ban (too many penalty points).
This was my thinking too. Definitely more Kmags fault but Checo had the entire left side of the road
KMag hit the wall before when he still had space. after that he turned left and basically into Perez. also, Perez was clearly in front and on a racing line. have you seen that part, how all of the drivers in front were following exactly the same line as Checo? how much to the left he would have to move to fit Magnussen there? maybe he should just stop on the side and let Kmag through because he decided to go for a gap that doesn’t exist
Perez was entitled to defend. Now you always have to leave space no matter what?
Kmag was not alongside. It was 100% his responsibility to back off when the door closed.
@@chamalinnino Perez is not entitled to push another car into a wall.
It’s a straight so Magnussen had his car sufficiently alongside.
For those who are wondering the pitstop rule, it's because the rules are saying that you have to use 2 different compounds during the race BUT don't specify how it should happen which means that in a normal race the only way to do so would be a pitstop but with a red flag you can change tyres, so you effectively used 2 different compounds ( unless you're Logan Sargeant appenrently lol)
correct, there is no 'mandatory pitstop' anywhere in the sporting regulations. So if you can use both of your chosen compounds via a red flag, you have satisfied the requirements. Could easily be fixed by making a stop under racing conditions a requirement, e.g. can still change for safety reasons but must complete a stop under racing conditions during the grand prix
When I saw the wreck with K Mag, and I have watch every race since 2018, I immediately thought it was a racing incident. Remember Matt, the FiA give penalties based on the incident at hand, not based of past incidents, something they don’t do often, but with that moment taken into account, I really think it was a racing incident
I 100% felt that same way. It was a dumb move, absolutely, but they judge lap 1 incidents differently than the rest of the race and I think it is what it is.
100% agreed
Perez doesn't exactly have the best spatial awareness either, his race craft has never been great.
@@billgross1719that was a dumb move for both Kmag and Checo. How come Kmag expected to get through ? How come Checo expected he was alone on the track on the first Lap ?
@@benoitm9199 he didnt expect to go through. He expected to use the space available to stay more ahead of everyone behind him. Use your fucking brains.
Monaco needs to be F1s All Star weekend.
Put the drivers in equal cars and do different challenges (braking closest to the pin, drag races, single lap hot laps etc) and make it a fun weekend that retains all the spectacle of Monaco that has no impact on the championship and requires no passing
Re smaller cars, I watched the Monaco Historique racing, especially the pre 1966 1.5 litre cars which was brilliant. The cars were tiny compared to today's juggernauts and on most of the circuit they could, and did, run 3 abreast. With only 220 bhp on tap they were fast enough to be interesting. Also remember that back in the day, the race length was 100 laps of a slightly shorter course (no swimming pool chicanes) and used H pattern manual gearboxes with drivers finishing the race with bleeding right hand palms despite wearing gloves! Perhaps a return to much smaller cars just for Monaco with similar attributes would be better!
Yes. I totally agree. Smaller, lighter and narrower cars.
Challenge is, that with all these safety features and regulations, it is going to be difficult.
But if they put less emphasis on aero and more on mechanical grip, then it should be feasible.
@@appelslice Even so, aero needs to play a far lesser role for that to work. Smaller won't make much of a difference in my opinion. And yes, I'm not an aerodynamicist so it is only a guess.
The most impressive part of this weekend is you two managing to talk about that race for nearly an hour
I feel you guys are a little to biased on KMAG, several people have analysed it, and it is on both. It was a gap, it was optimistic, but Checo by the rulebook should not push him into the wall, he was requered to give him more space. there could have been 1 car next to him on the left with all that space. This was a little to hasty to hate on him like that.
Exactly. They need to watch Davidson and Button on Sky. Perez knew what was going to happen and carried on…
According to the FIA rule, it's more Perez than Kmag. there was a gap that perez chose to close, but the rule states you MUST leave enough room for the overtaking car.
I have been saying this ever since I watched the race. Jenson got quite tight lipped after they saw Perez checking his side mirror multiple times. Not only that but I really got flashbacks to when Perez pushed Ocon into the wall during the opening lap at spa years ago.
My dad who worked in a leisure centre and trained swimmers went - 'oh nice form' when Charles dived into the harbour hahaha
Make Monaco an exhibition race. Three days of time trials with the same format as quali spaced over those three days (make tire usage rules, bottom drivers knocked out etc).
"Perez maybe could have left more space but why would he" ??????? Those are the rules???? He SAW Magnussen and continued squeezing him into the barrier despite having space on his other side.
First off all, he also has Hulk on his back...
Magnussen going for a non existing gap is just poor judgement.
Even though Perez shouldn't be there at that moment at all, this crash was definitely not on him.
The fact they've punished Ocon for taking himself out, and not Magnussen...shows exactly what's wrong with F1.
A weak and inconsistent bunch of money grabbers penetrated the heart of the sport, and it's dying because of it.
The FIA is a disgrace, groomed by the murrican greedfactory owners.
@@Snaakie83they didn’t punish Ocon for taking Perez out, that was a separate incident. Hulkenberg wasn’t alongside Perez, he was a good bit behind so Perez had space. In Monaco there is no gaps, so whenever there is a chance for a overtake you kinda have to go for it. MAGNUSSEN went for it, got his front wheel AHEAD of Perez’s rear wheel, which would be considered alongside in the rules, and then Perez decided to just squeeze him out. And before you say, no, at that moment in time MAGNUSSEN could not back out because that would cause a incident too.
@@Snaakie83 If the gap was non-existent, he would’ve crashed into the back of Perez instead of making contact front wheel to rear wheel. He was far enough along on a straight to demand space on the racing lane per the racing rules. You can see from Hulkenberg’s onboard that he was fully behind Perez, so saying he had to close the door because of Hulk is nonsense, crashing with Magnussen was clearly the bigger danger.
Why would he? Well… he might of finished if he wasn’t a dumbass
The Rules state that:" Both the overtaking and leading car have the responsibility to avoid a collision. This means overtaking at a safe time and place, and the leading car giving space when possible." Meaning Perez should have left space enough for Kmag to "exist"
I like how their memorable moments were the only two things that really happened in the entire race.
Also: If you're going to talk about gimmicks, and if they want to go on about "We're here in Monaco because history!", then they should run the race in historic cars from the 1950s and 60s.
Here for Tommy’s pop off!!!
Hot opinion but the lap 1 crash I don’t think was Kmag’s fault. If you go see the video you see Perez checking both his mirrors and so he knows who is where. He shouldn’t have moved anywhere. 18:50
Kmag got penalized in Saudi for the exact thing Perez did here
Wrong opinion, not hot opinion.
@@Liam94Smithyou are incorrect
The rules are clear, they state that:" Both the overtaking and leading car have the responsibility to avoid a collision. This means overtaking at a safe time and place, and the leading car giving space when possible." Meaning, Perez needed to leave enough space for the other car to "exist".
@@Liam94Smith You might need to check the rules, and the check Perez's onboard. He just slammed the door on Kmag, although the rules clearly state he needed to leave space for the overtaker.
Here’s a solution to Monaco race weekend. @mattp1tommy
Quali sat morning: determines starting grid for a 25 lap sprint race.
Sat afternoon: 4 x 5 drivers time trial heats.
Determined using qual results ie pole, 5th, 9th, 13th are grouped together.
Drivers in their groups go out and set 3 hot laps each with a slow down lap in between. Average time of 3 hot laps used. Repeated for next 3 groups.
Fastest 2 from each group proceed to final shootout.
Final shootout 8 drivers with 5 hot laps used. Average times used. 10,8,6,5,4,3,2,1 points allocated.
Sunday race: 25 laps normal points allocated with quali grid.
Thoughts???
Hot take: Monaco would be perfect for a sprint race, double qualifying!
Only do qualifying
@@jacoblawton6350 Agree. Basically make it a time trial.
Double qualifying but also double boring formation laps being called races. No thanks.
Just for Matt: Leclere could only win a GP where he didn’t need to defend, because it was impossible to race. He’s still washed until he can show he can actually race and win a GP. Not parade lap for 78 laps. 😛
Overtaking at Monaco isn`t about being faster, it is about waiting for a mistake.
So it isn't racing
@@Snaakie83 No, that's why lots of people called it 'fp4' or even 'procession'.
It seems everybody is happy for Shaarl's win, but hated the race itself.
@@Snaakie83 Not much no. Not when you compare racing in Monaco to almost any other track. Monaco has the least overtakes in the entire calander, and that is not due to racing.
That's one reason to tip your hat to Yuki this week. Albon spent most of that race .5 seconds behind Yuki and he never flinched.
coincidently Charles's monaco curse end after Nicholas Galitzine (an actor) present him the pole tyre 😂 Rumours say that Nick will be in Monza later this year so maybe he'll bring luck to Charles again🙈
One suggestion that might negate the changing tyres during a red flag to create a no stop race. If you do change your tyres, you have to use the same compound as when the red flag was called (unless rain is involved). Therefore, it means cars still have to make one pit stop during the race to use two compounds.
Make Monaco into a mid-season F1 party. No points, full teams turn up to bang wheels in spec cars. All bragging rights and fun.
My favorite blokes 🥳🥳 I'm relatively new to F1 and Tommy and Matt make it so much more fun. If I don't have anyone to watch the gp with, I love streaming them along with the gp for some "company". Such lovely guys!!
The reason is because of the wording. As far as I know, you don't need to make a pit stop, you only have to run two compounds of tires during a dry race.
2024 Monaco Formation Lap Race Review, would be a better name for this video.
I'm pretty sure there are some roads just after the Grand Hotel hairpin(6), where they could turn left immediately after turn 7 and then loop back onto the road leading into the tunnel further back. Therefore making that fast section through the tunnel even longer and make moves into the Nouvelle Chicane more achievable (possibly).
There is no mandatory pit stop rule. The rules state that you must use at minimum two different compounds of Tire during a [dry] race.
If you are able to change onto a second compound during the red flag you have satisfied the requirements for using two different compounds and therefore no longer need to do a pit stop.
This can be seen with Logan Sergeant needing to do a pit stop to change tires because during the red flag he went from hard tires to hard tires.
There is no mandatory Pit Stop rule, maybe you shouldn't call it that because it just confuses the people that don't know
So what you are saying is that during a dry race you are mandated to make a pitstop? 🤔
I understand what you mean with what you are saying, but it's two sides of the same coin.
The problem is that if you change your tyres during a red flag it counts as your mandatory tyre change (aka pitstop) and that killed this grand prix
THANK YOU! I'm glad someone else has a brain. There's no 'mandatory' pitstop. That's a really bad way to phrase it. You must use two different compounds during a dry race.
The easiest solution would just be to continue to allow teams to change tires under a red flag, but only to the same tire compound. Thus still requiring a green/yellow stop.
@@cthomsen4 No. Its not the same coin. Someone does a pitstop, but stays on the same compound, they still haven't satisfied the rules. Saying there's a mandatory pitstop, when someone's already pitted, makes no sense whatsoever. Additionally, the top 5 in fact, never pitting during Monaco.
@@cthomsen4if they wanted to make a mandatory pitstop rule, it would be just that.
It is a dual compound rule because that is what they intended.
In most situations, it has the same effect, but imagine how happier Hamilton would have been if he had been allowed to use the same compound as he started with. Matt and Tommy dropped the ball on this one. It is important to be precise about the rules, especially if you want to have a rant about why the rules are there in the same conversation.
I don't think anyone would begrudge Charles that win. You'd have to be heartless. Even though I'm neutral, I did choke up. Prince Albert looked like he was choking during the anthem, and I doubt it was because of the tune! Watching him spray champagne was amazing, because the drivers always used to be "banished" to the track to do that so the royals didn't get wet lol. Charles is such a lovely lad that I was so pleased for him!
I still want to know why Ocon has a *five* place grid penalty in place of a 10 second addition. He absolutely deserved a penalty, so why isn't KMag being penalised? Both were lap one incidents! That's basically unfair.
Ocon wasn't able to take the penalty, because he was already out. In that case it is converted into a grid penalty for the next race.
That's why, last year, RB put checo back in the car for 2 rounds and a pitstop even though he already was out of the car for 15 minutes. I was thinking why Alpine was not doing that same thing, but probably the car was more damaged and wasn't able to drive.
Charles winning is the only thing that made that race memorable. I don’t anybody is begrudging that.
Gotta agree with Jermey Clarkson on this one… Sergio why the hell did you put kmag in the wall. Just drive straight and no one crashes
Perez doew also drift to the right, DESPITE having plenty of left hand space. Yes, it's a terrible decision by KMag, but Perez absolutely also has to take some of the blame.
yeah, if you check out Jolyon Palmer's excellent analysis and footage, you can see Checho clearly checking his mirrors, and he decided to kept right to try and block him, which with any other driver would have caused them to back out in self preservation. It would be interesting to total up the damage bill this year for all the shunts Kmag has been in. Still like KMAG as a driver though 'elbows out' and hope he gets a seat for next year.
How do you go out to a pub arcade. There are people there and I cannot go in a place with more than on or two people. I will start sweating, get dizzy and I either leave or end up on the floor unconscious. What fun is that.
My only issue with the "Championship back on" claims, is they seem to completely discard Lando and McLaren.
Which is weird, bcs they've been the ones who have actually been taking the fight to Red Bull and Max recently. Charles was on top of Monaco, but apart from that, since McLaren's Miami upgrades they've looked 2nd best. Lando has had some massive drives since Australia. And Ferrari have looked quite comfortably 3rd in the ranking excluding Monaco where Charles is an absolute beast and their car holds a natural advantage ovet McLaren and Red Bull who are designed for high speed corners. My point is, majority of the races in a calendar arent like Monaco, so one track where they look top of the table, isnt gonna help them when even with Charles they're 3rd best with Lando and Max up the road. Either way, no ones beating Max this year, but we can dream.
I've only seen people who claim the championship to be back on, also including Lando. I've only seen "3/4 way fight for the world title" claims 😂
@@youngjedi774 Really? I've only seen "Charles is 30 points back, championship back on!"
I still believe Max is up there. Because Monaco is a different track altogether, we can't make predictions based only on Monaco's results. Surely, Red Bull is gonna struggle with bumpy tracks in the future but there will be opportunities to overtake at least. I'm sure had there been an opportunity to overtake in Monaco, Max would've ended up higher up than P6. We are talking about Max Verstappen and he is much more than just the car. No other driver drives the car to its limit like Max does (Imola for example). Surely Ferrari and McLaren has improved their cars but it also comes down to the driver and the driving style. McLaren was the fastest car in Imola but Max still managed the win.
Also, Red Bull is facing some issues with bumps and kerbs and there are so many upcoming track where they will still be dominant. We'll see that in Barcelona for sure.
Lastly, Monaco is just a different track altogether. It's basically where you qualify is where you finish too. But let's not forget that's not the case with any of the upcoming tracks.
@@zainab5424 McLaren was not the fastest car in Imola. Sure it was faster in Quali but Max had a tow there. On the mediums the Red Bull in Maxes hands was lightyears ahead, and in Lando's hands the McLaren on hards was lightyears ahead of Max in the Red Bull. Overall, when it came down to it, they were pretty much identical. And, one other driver drove their car to the limits like Max did in Imola, and that was Lando. He was the absolute knife edge of that McLaren's capabilities. He was getting oversteer every other corner yet still made 8 seconds in less than 15 laps.
Imo, Max is a great driver and over the course of a season has less off days than Lando, but Lando is hot on his tail now. His consistency is up there with the best on the grid and has been since 2021. And now he's shown he can push his car to the limit and dominate while winning races when he needs to.
Lando and Max is 100% going to be a fight we see a lot more often, perhaps more than we see Max and Charles.
I find it weird how much you praise Maxes driving without addressing the fact that Charles was actually a better driver at the start of 2022, his racecraft was better, he was more collected and sensible too. As well as the clear fact that Lando is (at the very least) on his day as good as Max, sometimes even better.
Anyways, no one but Max is winning the title this year. But depending on which teams takes the step forward in the winter, Lando or Charles could both end up world champ in 2025.
Also, bumps and kerbs werent anymore present in Miami or Imola than they will be in any other non-street circuit for the rest of the calendar, Barcelona and Canada included. McLaren matched them in those scenarios, no reason they cant in any other track on the calendar. McLaren can handle the bumps and kerbs at Monaco, and be right there with the Red Bull in Imola and faster in Miami. With Lando at the wheel there's no reason they can't challenge Max and Red Bull for the forseeable future.
@@bill4665 I get your point regarding Lando and yes he has been performing very good. And not to forget Oscar too. But them saying that championship is back on with between charles and max with charles 30 points behind is a bit of an exaggeration especially this early on the season. What i meant to say is that future tracks are not gonna be like Monaco where Charles normally is dominant (especially in qualifying). We can say constructors championship is on but even for that there’s a long way to go. Max has been getting 8 consecutive poles in a row and then winning too. We can’t make championship predictions based solely on charles’ Monaco performance and Lando’s Miami. To be in a championship fight, consistency is key and whether any of these teams have it, we’ll have to wait. There are still so many tracks to come where i have no doubt that Red Bull again will be favorites and few where they might suffer from bumps/kerbs. Despite McLaren and Ferrari improving immensely, 25 might be their year but don’t think it would be this year. Still a very long way to go. Lets see
RE: How to fix the racing... Could the Nouvelle Chicane be moved further down Route de la Piscine, to be immediately before Tabac? That would make the entire run from Portier to the "Tabac Chicane" one long flat-out "straight" into a hard braking zone. Add a DRS zone to it and you'd have a fantastic late/out-braking and passing opportunity.
Fun fact: 14 drivers broke the record for most laps in a stint, with 76 laps
There were only 16 cars and Stroll, Hamilton, Verstappen and at least one sauber pitted so its 12 at nost but then everyone until yuki in P8 (i think was lapped) so only the top 5 could have gottenthis record
@@Leon-mg3zd Logan started on hards, switched to different hards under the red, and pitted again. But yea, only the top 7 were on the lead lap, and Max/Lewis obv pitted.
@@Leon-mg3zd your right, but people on the no stop strategy that got lapped still technically beat the record from previous races
It's funny how many parallels there are between NASCAR talking points and F1 talking points. Got the exact same thing going on with Goodyear where we're like, "Just make a tire that wears out. Quit worrying about the consumer and give us a good racing product."
"Perez could have gone a bit left and given him space, but why would he"?????? WTF... And whats all about this you cant go side by side up there because its monaco? Every other driver was able to do so. Vettel made a similar overtake a couple years ago. You blamed Kevin for the incident in saudi as well with albon and now kevin was in albons position and you still blame him???? jesus. Perez also checked his mirror THREE times so he definitely knew he was there
Been a Ferrari Fan since 2006 when i was 3 years old. Today some tears of joy left my body. Il Predestinato won his home Grand Prix and broke the curse. He fullfilled his dream and after seeing Matt‘s reaction my wish is to watch Charles Leclerc winning next to Matt. So in case he starts on pole again in Montreal just sign me up :)
Congrats on Leclerc's win but what 'incident' was Matt watching?! Perez's onboard camera clearly show's Perez turning to the right to avoid Hulkenberg, who was actually futher back and right into K Mag! This was ALL CHECO'S FAULT!
FIA rules state :"Both the overtaking and leading car have the responsibility to avoid a collision. This means overtaking at a safe time and place, and the leading car giving space when possible." So Perez did the opposite of what the rules state.
@36:50 I think there would be another opportunity to change the layout of the track: after the fairmount hairpin to the left to "Rue du Portier" to the roundabout "Rdpt du Portier" and you get a longer straight on the portier / tunnel section.
CultLH (not TeamLH who are the majority and reasonable) are going to be conflicted if Charles is in a title battle. 😂
On one hand they’d probably want to see Max lose. On the other, if Charles wins the WDC. It’s next to impossible that Lewis would get preferential treatment over (what would be) the defending WDC in the other Ferrari car.
I think if Lewis gets put in a fast car, no matter who he’s against he’s probably gonna get preferential treatment cause Ferrari can count on Lewis do deliver in a quick car
They won’t decide before the season starts, they’ll let it play out and see who’s quicker but I reckon it’ll be close probably Charles quicker in Quali and Lewis quicker in race
There are no reasonable Lewis fans
New rule, during a red flag you can only change tires to the same compound you were running at the start of the red flag, unless you were actually in the pit lane at the start of the red flag.
Cant wait to hear tommy's view on kmag...
Kmag should have a race ban. It’s unfathomable that he doesn’t.
Racing incident, both kmag and Perez could have done something to avoid that.
@@phillydelphia8760 no pal I don’t agree and you have your view on it which is fine. But it’s not a straight, the walls are curved, it was never on for Kmag to do that. There’s so many factors that Kmag should have realised. Kevin Mazapin won’t be driving for Haas next year so at least there is that.
@@Gaelic-Rex I don't think he was going for the pass there, that's the thing.
He's forcing space to make the move further along.
Perez is obligated to not force someone into a wall, deliberately or not.
This is very similar to kmag when he put the squeeze on Albon, not deliberately, but because of how the track is shaped.
He got punished there, but Checo escapes any penalty here.
So I don't believe a new standard should be applied here because one of the drivers is in a front running car and the other not.
@@phillydelphia8760 Yeah Kmag could have done something to avoid it but didn't causing the crash...
The rule is not for a mandatory pitstop but it is for each car to use two different tyre compounds.
*One of the commentor mentioned it during the race*
that crash was almost the exact same as the one with albon in jeddah. Albon was also trying to put a wheel on ther inside of kmag in jeddah at a place where the track is moving in towards the turn, but somehow that was also kmags fault. and also if you watch the replay you can see that at the moment kmag placed his wheel on the inside of perez there was enough space, and perez looked at him 3 times but decided not to give him any space, if perez had given him 10 centimeters that crash would not have happend. what should kmag have done when he had his wheel on the inside? if he lifted they would crash, if he braked they would crash. all perez had to do was give him 10 centimeters. perez forced that crash. real victims Nico and the pitstops
I feel like removing what is essentially a “free pass” for the leaders when lapping the back markers and allowing the back markers to defend position if they choose to would help a lot.
It would back up the leaders a little and keep the racing tighter. Make the leaders work at lapping cars. Not just at Monaco, every track.
Mag was reckless yes, but _Checo looked the at mirror a few times and knew exactly where Kevin was._
I think Checo decided to end the race with a bang.
_He can play victim_ and say he was taken out rather than finish 16th or whatever unattractive position.
because dnf and costing the team millions is better than finishing 16th?
According to the FIA rules, Perez should have left space for Kmag to exist. So Perez should have been penalized but the stewards decided to give Perez the benefit of the doubt and say he just f-ed up.
For clarity, pit stops aren't mandatory, using 2 different tyre compounds in the dry is. So you only need to pit because you need yo change tyres, so red flags mean you change compound and you've met the requirements.
I think you should take a restart grid penalty if you work on the car in any way under a red flag.
I am still buzzing for Charles. Simply lovely ❤
1:19 as an Austrian, we get it. People confuse us with Australians all the time. Half of our country’s tourism merch is something along the lines of “there’s no kangaroos in Austria”
Ocon getting a 10 second penalty when he’s not even in the race anymore
Traditions ☕️
Seeing Yuki pull out that lap time without a pit stop at the end on the hard tire was still impressive, so close to the pitted medium runners.
It's like Fred is exactly what Ferrari needed.
4:19 the emotion was insane, seeing the prince tearing up and Charles so happy. Really was amazing!
u can see Tomy face twitching while mat kept talking 😂😂
THE PENALTY sistrum AND the JUDGES needs a PENALTY !
Whith the antics on the first lap
The crash is Perez's fault. He didn't leave enough space and pushed Kmag into the wall which caused the collision.
He has to move!
You have to watch the incident again. To start Kevin is not even close to be on front. Checo can move once to either side to defend. Mag touched the wall (rear right) and pushes into Checo. There is no question it was Kmag’s fault
@aaroncontente9153 they can move once to defend yes but they have to do the move before the car is in line for a overtake and not at a last moment to defend it. Also prefer did move over towards the left at a late moment and by the time he did it was to late. Perez should of left space but also K mag also could of backed out and that's why it was a racing incident and nothing more.
Kmag had no reason being there especially with hulkenberg on the outside
@@vegetanotavailible4972 why not is he not allowed to race. The gap was their but he also should of backed out when he didn't get the run on perez. But perez knowing k mag was there and looked in he's mirrors why moving over to close the gap of was silly as well. Perez had the better car and would of easy out dragged k mag up that hill but he decided to defend it and move over giving k mag no space and that put them both out. Both driver's made errors and both driver's got it wrong. Racing incident
@chriscollins550 I understand where you are coming from on this point but at this track that gap was always going to disappear. even if Perez did see him (mirrors don't show that much) and gave him some space, that space would disappear a few meters later. It's a silly risk to take. Similar to Max in spa many years ago or Leclerc on Vettel
On the subject of making monaco a race instead of regularity , move the barrier back 2 metres out of the final corner , make the walls up the hill out of turn 2 straight and bring in a track specific tyre (like a super soft ) that has to be used 👍
Why should Kevin get any penalty? They are rece drivers, he saw an opportunity, went for it. Had it been the first turn and running into anyone because he didn't break, fine. But otherwise, racing incident.
According to the rule, Perez should've left space for a car to pass that he knew was there. I agree with the stewards to call a racing incident. However, I'm conviced that Checo slammed the door.
@@brianrasmussen2956 Yes, he saw Kevin in his mirrors and yet continued to the right, so in a way he could have avoided the colision. On the other hand, I understand that he didn't want to give up the position.
There is no mandatory pitstop! It is that simple. Allowing a change of tyres under the red flag is its own subject. But there is no rule requiring a pitstop.
Unpopular opinion i think the racing incident verdict was correct.
Because, of course Magnussens run on Perez was too optimistic, but there was no reason for Perez to not give him the space. Magnussen would have to fall in behind Perez in the next corner.
Both of them could have avoided the accident and the outcome at the next corner would have been the same.
18:00 not trying to make a joke but my instant thought with how damaged checos car was, was “the last time I saw a car that damaged grosjean was being dubbed the phoenix”
My 2 cents on Kmag:
Perez did see him, so he _could_ have taken a more inside line around Massenet, but per the rules, Kmag didn't have enough of his car alongside Perez and he _should_ have backed out. He would have been fine.
Now, again, Perez could have also not turned in - he saw him there - but Kevin really had no business trying to pass there on lap 1. He wouldn't have gotten around the outside of him on Massenet, not happening. So why do it?
The majority of the responsibility is on the _passing_ car. I don't know how he could have such an ill-advised attempt at a pass and get 0 points and drivers have made much better attempts and gotten points.
This feels like FIA trying to avoid the black eye of having a driver reach the points limit. And the boys even talked about this very point.
Nah. You don’t need a rule to know that when a driver is AT ALL beside your car you can’t run them into the barrier. If thats what F1 is then they need to come up with a new sport title because it’s not racing.
The only sensible take. KMag defenders are insane
@@MechaTempyou are insane
FIA reg 20.4 says as soon as the front wing is beside the rear tire the driver has the position. Magnussen was wheel to wheel when Perez moved to hit him. 100% Perez at fault.
Kmag was actually within the rules here, Perez was not. the FIA rules state :"Both the overtaking and leading car have the responsibility to avoid a collision. This means overtaking at a safe time and place, and the leading car giving space when possible." Meaning Perez HAD space, but chose to slam the door shut. (Check the onboards of Perez)
What if Perez crashed on Purpose into K Mag? Because of track positions he couldn't do anything and looked back to be positioned back in the field
He shut the door, hoping and expecting that Kmag would back off. He didn't.
You can't bitch about K-Mag being a little bit too audacious and then proceed to complain that it was suuuuuuuch a boring racing. What is this, the FIA?
Exactly.
well, he did ruin the race because he made it a no pitstop race?
They want wheel to wheel racing but blame a driver for going wheel to wheel. 😂
“Perez has complete right to force a car alongside him into a wall”. Honestly the hypocrisy.
With regards to the tire rules I still think the teams should be required to use all three compounds during the race unless the race is declared wet. The benefits are that it’ll create more of a sprint aspect to the gp cause it’ll always be a mandatory 2 stop so drivers will know they can lean on the tyre more
the "no further action" on magnussen/Perez crash pisses me off not only because it's not correct, if you have to suspend a driver you must do it, but also I was very curious to see how Ollie bearman would have performed in Canada with Haas 😂
FIA regulation 20.4
Magnussen was entitled to hold position, Perez moved and crashed.
Kmag should've been cleared. Perez is totally in the wrong here. FIA rules state that " Both the overtaking and leading car have the responsibility to avoid a collision. This means overtaking at a safe time and place, and the leading car giving space when possible." Meaning Perez should have left space for Kmag. Tommy is wrong here
The Ocon situation is interesting in light of the fact that there seems to have been an agreement, pre-race, that they wouldn't be fighting with each other on track, and that they would prioritize the lead driver, since track position is so important. Alpine is trying to score every point possible, and they were lucky to score a point. After the incident, without knowledge of the pre-race agreement, I thought the should put the reserve driver in the car the next week. I hope they do that. It's the only way they will get Ocon under control for the rest of the season.
Couldn’t disagree more about KMag, if F1 want to continue to race at a place where you can’t overtake, you have to expect aggressive moves. Racing incident.
I feel for anyone who had to watch this race without data and commented by clueless blokes,.e.g. on sky sports.
For me, who really likes racing but loves F1 for being more than that, with it's focus on strategy and technology, it was a really enjoyable race to watch. Palmer and Coulthard had a good understanding of what was going on and Alex Jacques has more wheel knowledge of modern F1 than many older ex drivers.
And when looking at the live data it was really entertaining to watch the different tactics unfold, e.g. see the gap between RUS and NOR unfold and the Saint backing Norris up to keep the gap in check to then see LEC back up PIA to not open up a gap to Sainz to keep him in undercut range was thrilling to watch.
See their lap times change in response to threads etc. was really fun to watch.
This was the only race I can remember where the entire field was locked in a tactics battle and it was plain obvious to see and really entertaingly suspenseful.
I personally prefer that over 3-4 stop madness with plenty of mostly meaningless action on track, because drivers have huge tire deltas and are on different strategies.
The move from Ocon was actually really good, and then for some reason he decided to try and squeeze Gasly on the exit.
No. It was a horrible move. A desperate dive bomb against his TEAMMATE. This was never going to work. With the way he threw his car into the corner he would have always understeered wide.
Martin Brundle described KMag's mad attempt up the hill as "an 80 or 90 per cent chance of a accident, basically..."
He still drives like an absolute amateur sometimes.
Because Martin Brundles reference is worth anything... Ehh no. But regardless FIA Sporting regulations appendix L chapter IV is quite clear on leaving room and forcing drivers off track/into walls. For not to mention that KMag had a better un out of turn 1, Perez moves racing lines, how is he going to defend Vs Magnussen if he brakes early? Or Hülkenberg for that matter, it doesn't matter if Hülkenberg is on his right he isn't allowed to move again to block him. Perez should have stayed in his racing line and gone for the squeeze in turn 3 nor at the straight before turn 2. Kevin might have been quite ambitious, but he had the right to room, and Perez responded to Kevins inside by moving a full racing line over before giving him another half when Kevin is side by side, at the e try of turn 2. Kevin is led to believe that he is now left room, but Checo turns in to the 3rd racing line he's been in since turn 1, violation again, and kevin is in that line and Checo 1000000% knew that, in other words Checo hit KMag on purpose, that's a 💯 collision to do that, which is strike 3, causing a collision, oh and strike 4 foe Driving in an erratic or potentially dangerous manner. At this point KMag is unable to hit the brakes, he is too far along side, and his wheels instantly interlocks with Perez, you'd have a much bigger crash if he tried that. Martin Brundle is washed. From all the angles of people in the residences around the track it's very very clear Kevin was on the inside, got pushed off his racing line brushes the wall, before getting pinchered by Perez who clearly knows Kevin is along side ... He closed the door on a driver who was along side. Kevin had no reason to believe Perez would make another racing line move against the rules, especially after he had his front wheels ahead of Perez rear wheels, they are half way through the straight, Kevin would have finished the move in turn 3 breaking early, taking Hülkenberg with him, because Perez' was out of defensive moves by the pit exit line. Perez isn't just predominantly to blame, he is wholly to blame, and he would have racked 3 penalty points minimum. He's on 7 or 8 so he'd be joining Kevin, only Perez has his points for actually crashing people, Kevin has his for driving outside the white lines, minus 2 he got for tabbing out Tsunoda, which he absolutely deserves the blame for. And 1 for Albon's incident in Jeddah, which btw. Was more questionable than the Monaco incident, even Albon said post race it was a racing incident though Kevin admitted he misjudged the need for space, and that he could have given more, the rest are for white lines, the exact opposite ratio of Perez penalty points record. I'm either case Perez move after turn 1 sealed his fate by turn 3, but Kevin also expected too much respect from Perez. Perez clearly isn't used to racing Kevin and vice versa, but the blame according to sporting regulations are 100% on Checo, unlike Kevin's move in Jeddah which was not predominantly Kevin, Albon has just as much time to back out, Kevin was willing to admit to the blame because he misjudged the situation then. Rules are clear though, Albon had right to room in Jeddah, Perez denied Kevin room and caused a crash, because he ignored the rules, therein lies the difference, Kevin didn't ignore the rules in Jeddah Vs. Albon, he just thought he had left enough by mistake. Perez' last squeeze on Kevin was naive, desperate, and dangerous. It was unjustified, against the rules, and predictably casing a collision with 250ish km/h.
So happy for Charles. Interested to see how things go in Canada.
Max will be the favourite but it should be close. Perez needs to really up his game or he's gonna cost red bull the title with just how well Ferrari and McLaren are doing. Having two solid drivers is really making a difference.