Will Australia cope with the rise of mega cities? Australia 2050 (part 2) | 7.30
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- Cities are where most pressures are being felt because they draw almost 90 per cent of migrants.
To help ease the strain in Australia's biggest capital, Sydney, it'll soon be divided into three separate cities.
But, as Andy Park reports, not everyone's convinced that high-density living goes hand in hand with the quality of life Australians have come to expect.
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There is no jobs boom in Australia, we have declining industry and jobs are being outsourced offshore. The official unemployed rate is 5.6% but this figure is fudged and the real figure is significantly higher and the youth unemployment is quoted as 25%. We also pay around $15 billion per annum in welfare payments to non Australian citizens with the current migrant work participation rate of only 66%. Your maths will not add up that migrants working will be our saving grace and keep welfare afloat. There is a finite number of jobs so there is a finite number of taxpayers and this can not keep pace with current levels of migration.
WTF
@BikeStuff
Indeed, it'll be fun to watch these naive idiot liberals as the pension age gets raised repeatedly.
@ethical
"WTF" is not an argument.
As the years go on, jobs available shall decrease due to the exponential growth of automation/ai development
@@jackhawthorn4799 WTF is that Bike stuff copied & re-posted my previous comment to someone else as his own That's WTF!
Oh i see - a comment stealer...........
This is the crime of the century and you blew it wide open.
They don't care about who you are, just numbers moving around. Main thing is aslong as you can't afford to live next door to them. Large Increase in the cheap office labour coming from India taking jobs for 50-60k replacing the workforce of 80-90k making them redundant. No payrises more redundancy, no budget sorry. The greed is just unlimited. Your to expensive for Australia. Cost of living going up pays are going down, move your extended family into one house and live like the immigrants just to make it here. Eat rice and noodles.
Dick Smith is right. We do not need more people if we want to have good living standards. Modern technology allows people to do more. Politicians and Big business want more people for more profits and self interest.
More people=more wealth to distribute. Egalitarian leads to the majority being poor and that's why communist countries fail. There is a misconception that more people creates more jobs, in-fact it doesn't it causes division and people fighting for resources. immigrants is the trojan horse that will destroy Australia values.
that self interest is "big development" like the US.Industrial societies are a cancer on this planet.Concrete,bitumen,steel,nuclear power even wind farms and solar power(batteries)is temporary and affects the environment.Continues mining here and abroad is hazardous to all life besides our attitude to all other species with reside with.
Building and designing cities designed around PEOPLE instead of the AUTOMOBILE should be one of our main priorities moving forward.
Correct! Send the lot of them to the Netherlands for school. Private road vehicles are given the lowest priority in residential areas behind (in reverse order) public transport, cycling paths and walking space.
The trouble is our middle and outer suburbs are 'exurbs' that is, places which are built around the car. Few or no footpaths, segmentation of industry/retail/education/health etc... We'd have to rework all these exurbs to make communities more walkable/rideable.
To those thinking ‘white Straya!’ If we imported the same number of Europeans, we’d have the same housing problem.
So you want a mega city with congestion, so you can take a high-speed rail to another mega-city, with congestion.
Think Tokyo actually
The real danger is endless urban sprawl
The real danger is increased population. To put more dwellings into a city you have to build up, or out, or increase the density. All three options are a drop in living standard.
Dick's right!
What about, we don't have the;
- Water
- Infrastructure
- Housing, or
- Jobs
Don't you understand?
So we should "simply" stop all immigration, right?
Yes, Need 10 year embargo to allow catch up
Skilled migration only.
@Lee Roberts Ah! So you've changed you position from the first video? Progress!
Nope. Read my comments, I've always said, skilled migrants only! When I say "stop immigration now" - it refers to mass unskilled immigration.
I had to laugh at the man who said we could have 200 million. I'm sure it's possible after a trillion or so dollars spent on major infrastructure projects to sustain such a ridiculous population.However, you have to ask yourself why? Why would you want to have a population so large? Why would you want to damage the environment even further? Why would you want to live like a rat in an overcrowded city? why why why? Those who promote growth have a financial interest.
How's St Petersburg you troll? ;)
@Aaron Yah,give them a home in the asian enclave where they can all get along like the happy campers they are. lol
Roads cannot cope now. Here in Newcastle, they keep building more houses/units but the power grid, sewer, water supply, roads & shop carparks are staying the same. How can you introduce 20K more people to a area that can hardly cope with the current population?
@Error Eliminator No,people are blaming the government for being clueless for bringing large amounts of immigrants into the country without having the the appropriate infrastructure,funds,and foreplanning to even remotely deal with the situation fairly for both current citizens and future citizens.
While also dealing out foreign aid left right and centre.Everyone is suffering except the politicians and banks wallet.
I think migrants took over a lot of the public service particularly the immigration department in the 1990s so that is why the boom has happened and the ministers have just let it happen as they benefit from it.
@Error Eliminator I'm clearly blaming the federal government for their uselessness over the fifty years of my lifetime and betrayal of both the host population AND the hopeful immigrants who have a true need of asylum/refuge .The only blame I place on immigrants is for those that have deceitfully abused Australia's welfare systemand support .. while also harboring the blatant ill will and treatment many of them enact on the host population AND even their own communities.
FURTHERMORE I STRESS
That this blame is thrown directly at the immigrants that are abusing the system and not the legit hard studying/working immigrants that actually want to be Australians for Australia,or the asylum seekers and/or refugees that are being legitimately abused/persecuted in their country of origins.I would hope though that when/if their countries return to a state they are able to safely return and build a better future for that country ..that they SHOULD make every attempt,with the help of our own government to return to their origin and build a better future for themselves and their offspring.
That is all =P
I totally understand where Dick Smith is coming from! I grew up in a house with a backyard. You go to Melbourne for a holiday and opposite your hotel are appartments where there are families with children that have no backyard to play in. Really sad!
Houses near the city are overpriced.
Yes they do. It's called parks, which are usually in abundance in Australian cities. It's time for nostalgic Australians like Dick Smith to realize you cannot have a 1-2 storey house with a giant backyard/ frontyard in the city anymore. The only way to sustain higher populations is through high-density developments.
No-one voted for ‘Big Australia’.
They have to go back
Who’s ‘they’?
anyone not from here
like the white people from Europe?
I include the population of both those that are born here and those that are not in my statement. Just to be clear.......
London had an underground rail system started in the 1860s, stop talking about doubling our population until you start getting our roads and railways in better condition. We need to get around.
The problem with most apartments is they are too small! Most blocks of units are too densely packed with 1 and 2 bed units. If they are really serious about high density then where are 3 or 4 bed apartments with multiple living rooms? They dont exist because they make more off smaller apartments and there is no council or government forcing a change. How can you raise 2 or 3 kids in a 2 bed apartment? Why should we have to do that in australia for crying out loud.
Jeff Brislane because if you want to live near the city, you live in a termite mound. Bigger apartments need more space. Smaller apartments are better for new home owners because they’re cheaper. Yes kids can share a room, our ancestors did it. 3 and 4 bedroom apartments do exist, they’re just more expensive.
greed is the answer
In an already over populated world why should we put up with couples having 2 - 3 children for crying out loud.
Just because Australia is big doesnt mean it can support endless population growth. There isnt enough fresh water and farming land to support that
From my helicopter I criticise the impact of other people’s lives below me
Smith is trying to represent the people who are trying to live in these cities, but being pushed out by overpopulation, overdevelopment and massive price rises.
To sustainably double Australia's population growth without compromising living standards by 2050, you can start by sacking all the Accountants and Lawyers in top bureaucratic positions and replace them with skilled engineers who should hold the top public office or government jobs in the Country.
Sydney an Melbourne are already over populated same as UK can't move
I think developer building bridges and infrastructure is one of the key elements they should provide. Most developers build only buildings, sell or rent all the units and get all the profit and then ask the government to build roads, bridges and everything else that doesn't produce any profit. All development projects should provide connections to closest station, highway, etc.
Remember the developers have to abide by state and local government regulation,. The developers will make as much profit as they're allowed to, that's the capitalist system. But if you put too many requirements on their investment into infrastructure that then raises the cost and ultimately our house prices. There is no one-size-fits-all solution.
By 2050 Australia will be uninhabitable, like many other places in our world
Actually yeah maybe
This is a disaster waiting to happen. One of the driest countries on earth. What happens when the water gets low?
It gets very violent very quickly.
Yep they talk about how huge australia is, saying we can accept tons of immigrants but we dont have any water
@@cocoacoolness We must plant trees.
@Cold Water Do they have as much farm land as us though? That is where a large proportion of our water goes. Mining uses lots of water too i heard. There is also the issue with transporting it accross such a huge country, water in the middle of nowhere isnt much use to us hey? We have so many reigons where people are constantly on water restrictions.
@Cold Water Note that we also need that many water resources because we go into a drought every year for most of the year....
I couldn't give a rat's ass about Australia but you know what amazes me the most... Australian politicians care less about Australia and Australians than I do.
We have already built suburbs over our best growing land. Then there is the water supply. The last 100 years have been the wettest for milenia and we are still running out of water
All those who we’re interviewed as being a fan of high density living - don’t chose to do so for themselves - but it’s ok for everyone else. It’s ok - the upcoming housing crash will force reform - and that is sustainable living. Open up regional areas - encourage families to move out of the cities and
Have the ability to raise there children out of the big cities if they wish to.
Aussie families will move to the regions if house prices in Melbourne & Sydney don't crash. We have no choice otherwise!
Human Bean spot on bud - no choice - which would actually be the correct choice if forced to do so :)
Yeah she'll be right I reckon
1st ISSUE ; Denial , Australia in general , needs to ADMIT there is a Problem , only then can we move forward.
We need to start creating rural suburban communities connected up to major cities by high speed rail. This would allow for suburban sprawl and cities to become less compacted and continue aiming to be commercial hubs (which is the only good reason cities exist). Nearly half of Australia's population lives in the Sydney-Melbourne corridor, at least start a high speed rail there.
blame your Aussie govt's immigration policies, not the immigrants who mostly came in legally.
Thumbs up
Who said we wanted you to come?
One of the solutions I think is to develop more jobs, housing and infrastructure in regional cities/towns and have better rail transport connections with major cities to ease the pressure on our major cities. But I doubt the politicians will ever consider it coz they're only there for the lifetime pension they will get after 3-4 years in office.
Just imagine developing a high speed rail network connecting rural suburban towns to the city. This means the only high rises are commercial buildings and we can continue our standard of living except with a daily train trip
don't you mean 2 years, there not very good at keeping there jobs.
@@Ghorda9 True, but still gonna get their lifetime pensions.
@@davesdinnerz9243 This solution is known as "urban sprawl". It covers agricultural land and wildlife habitat with roofs and roads. Economic growth is ruining Australia.
I wish there were subtitles because their accents can be so strong sometimes.
Anne Evans, demographer, "So, if we want to have more people coming in to cities ..." Who is this 'We'? We don't want it. It is being forced on us. I know of no-one, except paid internet trolls who challenge anyone who speaks their mind on this, who appear to 'want' this. People are horribly depressed and tramatised by what is being inflicted upon them by developers who have infiltrated the main political parties and basically taken over government and the media.
The idea of new refugees going regional is dumb because we shouldn’t be building out but rather up in the city. Like A mini New York, that way the farm land and cheap realestate isn’t effected.. The government should promote investment into mega city appartment high risers. My dad bought a house in 1983 for $7000 , big land and nice house in the Bush. Now it is $1,000,000 I got over $40,000 saved up and I can’t do anything.. this is the Australia that exist now I’ll be 70 working. Australia need to stand up and look at what matters. It isn’t refugees that we need, it isn’t stupidity, its freedom for anyone to be able to buy a house and to have options.
Finally someone said it.
Akelleca Lobby you local politician to end foreign property purchased and immigration. Asking government s to build housing is asking the community.to fund housing, that won't happen. Also, do you really want to live in high rise?
"London / Paris is highly attractive community to live in", look at these LIES on national Television
why do you say it is a lie?
I have seen pics of Paris. It looks like a hole. I been to London so I know that it is an absolute hole of a place. Hordes of people everywhere. The only people who want to live in London are the migrants from other overpopulated third world hell-holes.
@@steveknight4291 don't mind him, his racism is showing
I was in London in July this year. Stayed for 7 nights in a hotel at Tower Hill.
Loved it, apart from 1)getting decent coffee, and 2) I heard about famous Bond St shopping.
Both were very overrated! 😂
So you only had to be there for 7 nights and in a hotel. Hardly a basis for reasonable assessment.
What's wrong with living in high rise. If you have parks nearby, some shops and workplaces you may never need to leave a 5km radius around your apartment. That distance is easily walkable / rideable reducing the strain on roads and public transportation aswel as pollution. Then when you do need to travel to a different part of the city you're not contending with as many people.
Ryan Hamilton yes this is the best comment I’ve seen
Completely agree. People need to stop moving 20km out from the CBD just to fulfil the "Australian dream". It's unsustainable for our cities and you're contributing more to pollution than if you lived in a inner-city apartment.
That's a gigantic 'if'
@@shockwave2291 You mean Australians should stop living like Australians?
We aren’t crowded we are just not building infrastructure we are lacking decades
Take a look at China and India they have HUGE challenges with their populations. You can't keep growing without loosing what you had. More laws, more regulations, more government in your face. We will loose what makes Australia, Australia. Stop using and manipulating veiwers emotion as an argument reporter and think with your head for once.
That's why there escaping here.
Poor planning by poor government decade after decade.
"poor planning" by greedy US corporate interests wanting Australian resources and development/land.
Internet, electricity, water, public transport, all these will be cheaper with higher population density though.
No they won't and they never will be,prices will always fluctuate somewhat,but the only way is up up up.Australians had a better deal when these things were publicly owned.Privatization killed any chance of good service and low prices because there's little to no serious competition and Australia has practically no control over essential service.
All our essential services are a shambles and Royal Commissions have cost the taxpayer a mint the last few decades since selling the farm.Sad as shit seeing our elderly and sick and weak being abused,schools failing to supply good education.36 years ago the government said they would "drought proof Australia" instead they privatized water and ripped us off.We don't produce anything besides a couple of select and controlled resources ... and for the greater part only consume imports and export debt to the banking system.
And there will be slums and shit jobs for ordinary people. Just like 中国。cheap food though, right?
Water is already scarce in Australia, so no, water will get more expensive,especially as the utility is owned by the Chinese Communist party. Same with electricity, and public transport will be over worked and underfunded because it,too,is owned by for profit foreign corporations. Your argument ignores the facts.
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Growth on a finite planet will only lead to human extinction. People are coming to Australia mostly to escape the pollution, wars, droughts or overcrowding in their own countries. Developers, investors and politicians are welcoming them with open arms for profit and power. This is not about immigration. It’s about corporate greed. Instead of growing Australia’s population let’s help fix the countries the people are coming so they don’t need to leave in the first place. Australia has enough people based on available resources.
Literally none of that is true. About 1/4 of the immigrants to arrive every year are from the UK with Italy, China, New Zealand and other developed, peaceful countries making up most of the rest. Folks fleeing war-torn or poor counties largely don't come to Australia. We're on the ass end of the Earth. It's kind of expensive to immigrate here.
Our population is growing because our economy relies on it. We've got too many jobs and not enough specialists to fill them so we actively recruit from overseas. It's kind of a big deal. Even without changing our lifestyle we could support a population of 40,000,000 according to QUT's tool. And that doesn't take into account the obvious increases in infrastructure that would accompany that growth so we likely can support much more.
Even if this was all corporate greed and our economy didn't rely on constantly increasing our population, even if we were full and even if most immigrants here came from poor or dangerous countries, none of which is true I'll remind you, you can't just "fix" these problems. The issues that face poor and dangerous places are complex. If they weren't they would have been solved long ago. You can't just fix them especially as an outsider. It doesn't work like that.
David John You are incorrect. Search “demographic winter”.
@@uzziya6392 The refugee intake program has brought hundreds of thousands of people here, they also have many children. White flight is a reality in many places, and there are neighbourhoods where English is a rarity and foreigners dominate. You're in denial.
40 million people would drastically change the lifestyle of many people. That must be a joke. Most of the jobs that need filling aren't specialist jobs, at least not to a large degree. Even then we only need to import people while we train our own people, which we don't do because that would require more kids and better educational policies and government is too lazy for that. And why exactly would anyone want to have kids while knowing that the government wants to replace you?
If the economy relies on cramming more people in then it's a garbage economy and deserves to crash. And one way to help fix the problems of the world is by stopping the importation of skilled people: Somalian doctors might be very good but Somalia needs them more than Australia does.
Immigration except in small and restricted amounts is never a good thing and never a solution.
@@no-body-22 That's a lot of assertions but you're not backing that up with anything.
*"White flight is a reality in many places, and there are neighbourhoods where English is a rarity and foreigners dominate"*
*"40 million people would drastically change the lifestyle of many people"*
*"Most of the jobs that need filling aren't specialist jobs, at least not to a large degree"*
Do you have a citation for any of that? I backed up my claims using QUT's migrant and population tool. Best I can tell you just made this up based on nothing.
That's not how importation of skilled labour works in Australia. Education is our third largest industry (FYI the first and second are coal and iron ore respectively). People from well off families come here from overseas for university and a certain percentage of them stay after graduation. That's why our largest immigrant populations are all from Europe, New Zealand and China. Poorer countries don't really factor in other than those that arrive to areas where they have family ties and large pre-existing immigrant populations - that basically means Indians from the old colonial days, Greeks from Melbourne's nonsense in the 1800's and Vietnamese from the refugees we took in from the Vietnam war. And none of those are even in the top three in terms of number of migrants. Australia's an expensive place. It's expensive to live here and it's expensive to migrate here.
Doctors from Somalia simply don't form a large enough demographic to make a dent. We have lots of people from overseas training to be a doctor here specifically because of how good our education is (I have no clue where you got the idea that the government doesn't invest heavily into education). The specialist jobs we offer visas for aren't normally those that require ultra-high qualifications though. Most of it are specialist labour like farm and railway workers. The kind of thing where you need labour on mass. The government doesn't want to replace you much less leave you uneducated while an immigrant takes your job. I have no idea where you got that impression. The Australian government invests heavily in job creation and education programs specifically to prevent this.
The lack of desire of young people to have families is an issue but it's one being faced in every developed nation. Tackling it isn't as simple as stopping immigration and intentionally crashing our own economy. This just appears to be the natural pattern when living standards increase. To fight it would be to fight the natural progression of our culture. You could probably do it if you invested specific effort into doing so but what you're proposing isn't a solution. Best I can tell you started with the premise that you didn't want immigrants and worked backwards.
Australia was known for it's wide open spaces.Let's work toward keeping it that way.The northern hemisphere is stuffed from industrial mayhem over centuries of development.Surely,we have learned to not replicate the same issues through migration senseless planning without forethought at least 7 generations ahead.@@uzziya6392
this will become slums in 10yrs mostly housing comission i worked in construction for 10yrs have never seen so much doggy work in my life every apartment cut cost pour extra 100litres of water on the concrete pour ect...do not touch this apartment's many bought of the plan.
A 1sr world country is unlikely to have slums
Okay is this just Dick Smith flying around saying not in my backyard?
Bit hard without water.
Coffee Drinker Melbourne is running without raining for 2 weeks. And it goes around.
apart from having a larger pallet of different foods to pick from at lunchtime, what actually is the point of immigration? my family are immigrants from italy after the second world war and they are grateful that they came here and started a new life for themselves coming from nothing. But in all honesty our family should have stayed in our homecountry and helped try to rebuild it, alot of my family still identify as italian and while i was born here and love this country more. If people carry such a large portion of their previous country with them to a new place then what is the point of migrating in the first place!
green lamp Oh gee I dunno , maybe it’s to increase your population so you can be more powerful have more manpower , more researchers etc.
Your family converted to become Australian , we can do the same to other immigrants.
A young country requires manpower, the usa millitary could wipe us out but it would end up a bloody ceasefire after the costal ports are destroyed, usa would not bother to fight a ground incursion in the outback.
@@haruhisuzumiya6650 why even bother talking about the USA? When have we even been a thorn in their side let alone someone worth attacking? We're as likely to be attacked by America as we are by martians and martians either don't exist or are bacteria at this point. Way to bring relevance to the topic.
Us run-of-the-mill Aussies get absolutely nothing out of mass immigration.
@anonymous patriot my partner is the daughter of Chinese migrants. She was born in Australia, worked hard, and is now a doctor and practicing for all the right reasons you'd hope someone enters medicine. Asian cultures tend to push their children to strive more than most others and as such are pretty beneficial members of society.
I do agree that the sheer number is probably a bit high. But they're just as Aussie after a generation as British immigrants.
My point about keeping numbers low enough to avoid a culture within a culture forming.
We need to focus on our own people, and not just keep inviting everyone to move here.
We need to create our own solutions for a better future.
Sounds like someones a racist.
Aus is such a big country definitely has room for more people, what is lack is an effective public train system and management that connected well to inner areas efficiently. if so, who will mine living in Wagga Wagga. lol
more growth the wealthier the developers and investors become. they don't care as they wont live in the areas effected . unfortunately infrastructure (sewerage ,power, water and roads ) cost so much now that high rise is the cheapest option . I am just concerned water ,having been thru a number of water restrictions from the 50's to today there is no plan to contain or gather more water . having struggle with council over water tanks I think the high growth head in the sand strategy will lead to chaos. power now is still climbing in cost and green power is even more expensive . we need more street smart people to lead this country as Uni smart just aren't cutting it .
Great series
'Density can create a better quality of life' haha, what a numpty, I like being able to get around a city quickly, not wait in lines for ever or pay top dollar for everything because there are a thousand other people who want the same thing as me which just jacks up the cost of living across the board... There is no such thing as enough for the big business machine.
And make sweeping statements without following them up with an argument.
All migrants to this country unfortunately settle into 2 cities....Melbourne and Sydney because there is no jobs and proper services in other parts of the country.....unless you fly in fly out to mines.
There is absolutely no need to growth, is not sustainable. perpetual growth is not indication of economic success.
Maxx_thor Games there is 100% a need for growth. Without growth the false lifestyle most live is in sustainable and what they fail to mention in this all is that we live in a pyramid scheme.
You can not retire in 20 years(or wherever) without a bigger working population in place to replace you and fund you. Then when they retire the cycle continues, they need a bigger working population to sustain them and you..
Just a big pyramid scheme to keep the wheels of the machine rolling that keeps pumping out the $$ for the 1% filthy rich of the planet.
They don't drive to work of have to deal with congestion in their bubbles
@@mrbla9783 and is wrong
Exactly, Growth doesn't means better well-being of people
City people don't realise the carrying capacity on Australia is quite low. Our soils are very impoverished. Our ecological system are colapsing now. Imagine Australia with a population like China, India... should we keep growing? It is ridiculous playing on our emotions about immigration.
All levels of government are addicted to the easy revenue from ever-ballooning imported populations. They don't need to come up with sustainable, long term thinking. Why didn't Australia pocket some of its surplus away into a sovereign wealth fund over the last 30 years (not counting the pollie super fund - Future Fund)?
overnightpartsfromjapan exactly, visas bring in billions and that buys votes by "paying down debt made from.bad decisions".
Dick Smith has a really good name
If Aus goes Republic he should be president.
Sydney density (430)is lower than the netherlands(488) so how even could we call it megacity
@Matthew Donovan The megacity needs to be at least 2000ppl/ square km . If it wuld be lower all of Bangladesh could be one megacity or Germany's Rhine-Ruhr could be also a megacity. Not to mention that Australia is not capable of building a megacity .
Australians make a big deal out of it, with their size of their country they should easily be over 100million people but they are only 25. Japan a much smaller country is 126m, just look at that.
@@unboxviews we make a big deal out of it because despite the size of Australia, a lot of it is uninhabitable and we are not building enough infastructure for the growing population resulting in Sydney being one of the most expensive cities in the world despite having 5 million people, it is as expensive as cities 2 to 5 times the size and that is due to our infrastructure not being able to keep up with our growth.
There's not enough water for everyone, let alone for another 400,000 immigrants coming next year 2020. The roads are heavily congested yet he wants more people? Australia is not Noah's Ark and shouldn't allow new people in unless they're assimilating types and embraces Australian culture and doesn't want to change that. 20,000 - 30,000 new immigrants each year could cope but not that many more because all of the public services cannot cope. Australia is broke because of the unsustainable 400,000 each year. The high cost of health care including hospitals made it impossible for Australians to enjoy a quality of life especially when it was they who've built Australia to what it is now and not able to enjoy affordable retirement money. Now, retirees were told that they'll now have to continue working to pay their high cost of health care and quality of life. The smart ones left Australia to retire in places like Thailand, Philippines, etc., where the money stretches longer than it does in Australia.
Exactly. Migrants don't increase the prices that our agricultural and mineral exports attract on world markets. They contribute the need for more and more infrastructure so that our taxes are spent on infrastructure instead of supporting our own retired people, which we all want to be some day. Those migrants are going to want pensions and health care too.
@@chriswatson1698 so true, so true!!👍
Australia supposed to reach 25 million people in 2025 but that target was reached in 2018. Who was the decision-maker? What fantasy (pills) world was this person living on? There's another thing, among the workers what was shared during conversation was that lots of these immigrants don't qualify to enter into Australia yet this has happened. Furthermore, so many were in possession of fake qualifications certificates they bought.
@ David Stevens: I have had personal experience with the 'Diploma gets you permanent residency" scam. I taught desktop publishing at an "International college" in Perth. On a show of hands, all my students indicated that they wanted permanent residency in Australia. None of them had the English skills to work in desktop publishing, but they were still allowed to pass. The teachers were employed on a contract basis and if any teacher failed anyone. their contract wasn't renewed.
Their student visas allowed them to work 20 hours a week, but many worked full time and didn't show up to class. They had paid their money so they still expected a diploma. As far as I know, they were given one.
@@chriswatson1698 that's what people I knew said the same. Indian and Chinese and Malaysian. They bought their qualifications. It's a lot of that scams going on in Australia and the government are guilty of doing nothing about it. They were complicit, they knew about it.
Take a good hard look at Australian politicians and ask yourself this question, are these people capable of planning a functional megacity? How are they going so far with the small cities they have been gifted by previous generations?
Melbourne is probably the best planned city in Australia, but that's because of awesome state leaders. The Federal Government have no idea what they're doing.
Past leaders, is Mathew Guy awesome?
As a child of immigrants I think immigration is important. But we do need to control the flow of immigration and give our infrastructure a chance to catch up. A high speed rail would go a long way to facilitate growth in non-capital cities.
You want high speed rail? You're on the wrong continent. Australias long distance trains have journey times slower than British steam expresses in the 1930s.
Yeah more stinky, polluting jet planes.
Everybody complains about Population. In reality it is only one component. Look at China close to 2 billion people yet they have Maglev trains traveling at close to 450km, bullet trains traveling at 350km, Rapid articulated bus systems (BRT) that cost 10 less than trams but can carry the same amount as trains and more. Infrastructure and transport needs have been neglected, every year we spend 35 billion dollars on defence and for the next 10 years federal infrastructure investment plan is 75 billion that is 5 times less each year than defence. 7.5 billion federal dollars,roughly every year for 10 years, for infrastructure vs 35 billion federal dollars for defence. Over 10 years defence would cost 350 billion federal dollars and infrastructure 75 billion federal dollars. Yes we need defence but who are we fighting? Camels, emus or kangaroos?
Hamidi Maqtal probably will end up fighting China to be fair
What % of this years foreigner's will ever export more than they import and why is this an important question?
Do you want Australian citizans to be commodities? Infrastructure means shit if the workers have poor wages and working conditions. Public infrastructure indicates how powerful the state is, it doesn't mean the citizans are wealthy. The chinese people are manufacture like animals and are currency/commodity to the state. Australia shouldn't be following the path of China, but clearly it is by wanting big population and high immigration. Australia needs to cut spending on foreign aid and climate change bs (400million to the GBR) and increase the spending on military/defense. You don't sound patriotic when you're whinging about defense spending. It amazes me that is the first area you went to, do you want other countries to invade Australia? Are you one of those snowflakes that is leeching off the welfare and healthcare ? SOunds like another snowflake or immigrant taking advantage of tax payers. I'm sorry to sound so blunt, but you sound like a douche bag who doesn't support Australian values or have respect for the people in the military. You do realize that money goes towards defense technological, training staff, helping countries,etc. I'm not in the military but I do know that the 35billion dollar that you've said isn't just spent on people sitting at desks all day waiting for the paycheck. which can't be said about abc, welfare and healthcare.
Whats the average Chinese citizen labor wage and what kind of healthy living lifestyle do they enjoy,what's the average family size (including pets),how much slef sustaing food can each citizen grow for sustanance (on average) ?
Not another freakin military industrial complex.Get real! US is on the brink already New need a new level of environmentally friendly society who works with nature not against it.Pollution is rampant all over the globe.czcams.com/video/McrytYdId5M/video.html
For people outside the area that was mentioned so heavily Wentworth point, they arent giving the full picture. Rhodes across that new bridge, Meadowbank on on the other side of Rhodes across from the Parramatta River, Shepherds Bay - a new suburb that got created out of Meadowbank because it got so big, and the re-imagining of the Silverwater foreshore across from the Newington Armoury right next to Wentworth point forms the most densely populated area in Australia. Near on 150,000 people have hit the area in the past 5 years. Thats exponential growth that is not sustainable. What needs to happen is that infrastructure needs to be put in place to help it. A bridge from Wentworth point Melrose Park across the water is needed, with a shuttle running the length to Victoria road where a new Metro is desperately needed to shuttle people from Nth Parramatta (next to or underneath the new Bank west Stadium) and beyond to Westmead and linking with the WS Airport, to run down Victoria road through Gladesville to Drumoyne crossing under Balmain then directly to Barrangaroo and onto Central and or align with the Pitt St station for the new Hills metro. these are all solutions to the problems everyone is facing. When it takes 1 hour by bus to travel 9 kms down Victoria road to the city then you know there are issues.
Sort the infrastructure problems NOW before it gets further down the track of in-sustainability, build the metro asap and it will guarantee issues will be resolved immediately and will allow for further Urban growth out west and provide affordable housing for people who still work closer to CBDs.
Literally every problem they bring up can be solved with mid-rise development
Decentralisation of job opportunities is the first thing that needs to happen, however, due to Australia's love of having EVERYTHING within 10km of the CBD, eventually, Australia is going to have people driving 100km to their job every day...
lol that final point about fairness and morality made me laugh! It is about money for the wealthy, duh!
Australia is not like the U.S. with a large Mississippi river. It will be easier for Canada thanks to global warming while an increasing number of Australians will emigrate to New Zealand and Canada once the mortgage bubble bursts and global warming makes life more difficult in a large part of Australia...but 80 million people in Australia is something achievable.
Decentralisation of job opportunities is the first thing that needs to happen, however, due to Australia's love of having EVERYTHING within 10km of the CBD, eventually, Australia is going to have people driving 100km to their job every day...
Man was not meant to live in a box, nature is calling us..
Totally agree.
It was paradise on Earth..
We can still achieve it..
I'm capable of subsistance living,but government frowns on those that do and law/regulations make it very hard to comply and still feel freedom of lifestyle.
too late.we're cooked already with this ridiculous attempt at industrial civilisation who doesn't cleanup their mess.czcams.com/video/McrytYdId5M/video.html
I hate that the great Aussie backyard is being lost to multiple units on a single block. No fresh air and greenery to make life giving oxygen. Nowhere for kids to play and be kids. It's a F'ing disgrace.
I loved backyard cricket, even when I busted the kitchen window LOL!
First need to solve the following issues:-
1) Advance rubbish incinerator plants
2) Large sea water desalination plants
3) Large sewage treatment plants
4) Large nuclear power stations (those advance safe nuclear power plants)
5) Extreme mess transit sub-way networks (public bus / ferry networks as emergency incase)
6) Cost effective (low cost) fibre optic wide board band cable networks
7) Schools
8) Hospitals
9) Technical colleges
10) Jails
11) Grave yards
12) Industrial & factories village
Why not just built another new "super tall high-rise buildings bundled together" city (100km away) close by the existing city (Sydney) with high speed railways networks connect to existing CBD, less political issues, no jeopardise of existing citizen and their wealth/life style and create massive traffic jam in current city and maybe a bit cheaper in urban planning/construction and development cost! Look at China! They can just build a new city within 5 years! Australian can do it too!
People DO NOT KNOW what is good for the country, go ahead with the plan.
Orginally from Melbourne now live outside Toowoomba. Happy as a pig in sh#+ Hate the traffic
Dick Smith is right. That our current leaders seem to think that endless economic growth driven by endless population growth is sustainable. It's plain ridiculous to think that there will be continuous technological advancements that will allow for endless population growth, it's a fallacy. Yes, Thomas Malthus wasn't entirely correct, he didn't see the green revolution coming. However, now we have a food system that is heavily reliant on dwindling resources such as water, phosphate and nitrogen (which is currently synthesised from fossil fuels), not to forget soil degradation and salinity. Just keep on making this an issue about migrants, that way we will be distracted from the real problems.
Dubai and Switzerland are sustainable for centuries to come despite being very small and lacking land for their population because of their selfless and scientific development projects. If you don't want your buildings to be tall then you probably don't want your nation to develop
The biggest problem with our density in this country is the lack of money being spent on infrastructure. We need to build public transport that is fast and reliable. We need to better our water, sewage and electrical grids. These are big and expensive problems, we haven't had a real leader in this country for 30 years. Everyone since Hawke has been to busy selling assets and lowering taxes which should be the wages of the government. Australia is growing, we need to grow up. If you don't like the big cities move out further. We are a massive country with lots of different ways to live.
Why should we take in more foreigners? Apart from the migrants, who gains from population increase?
In the 1970s in Perth. it was possible for a working couple to buy a 3 bedroom house with a bit of garden, within a reasonable distance of employment. You shouldn't have to live in a stack of shoeboxes to be a reasonable distance from employment. Immigration is ruining our way of life. Stop it.
@@chriswatson1698 that was caused by banks and government bubble
What you are advocating is to tax Australians to pay for infrastructure, to alleviate the damage that population increase is doing to the quality of our lives.
Instead of spending more on infrastructure, lower the need for it. Get immigration back to historic levels. Reduce it by two thirds.
@@450tank Stopping altogether is just fine by me. But what is this "catching up" other than taxing us to pay for facilities for foreigners at present living overseas, but to arrive in 20 years time?
Make the immigrants go to the small regional town and cities where they can fill in jobs there and in the outback than putting a strain in the big cities.
I'm a kiwi living in Darwin
Problem is you can't make someone stay there for an extended period of time. We are a democratic country so we can't actually stop them from leaving if they want to after the long term
Clement “you know” Lun
Because of overpopulation housing costs increase and wages stay the same
That is exactly what is happening here in New Zealand.
You know population also generate jobs? Wtf
The Government should own the land not developers: Greedy Developers “!
@@divyanshd3969 Immigrants crowd up infrastructure that has taken generations of Australian taxpaying to provide. They also contribute to the need for more infrastructure, expensively inserted into a built up environment, that we all have to pay for, not just the newcomers that make it necessary.
Of course the construction companies love their taxpayer funded projects and their employees, many of them foreign, love their taxpayer funded jobs.
Also, the citizens have to wait longer for doctor's appointments. We do NOT have a doctor, nurse or teacher shortage. What we have is an excess of patients and pupils due to our massive immigration intake that has been maintained for more than a decade.
The beauty of Australia is the fact we have wide open spaces, if we lose that we lose our identity and appeal! who wants to live crammed in like they do in Hong Kong? not me that's for sure!
Its happening everywhere. Enjoy your space while you can lol
Australia is built on western values and it's not just about space. Australia has become progressive and that's due to PC, sjw, snowflake generation, multiculturalism, feminism, weak men, etc. Once a western society turns into a marxists society it's only downhill from there. Australia has lost the culture war and now Australia will go down the path USA went down in the GFC. Hopefully the hard times that is coming will create strong men and leaders so that Australia can get back on track to prosperity and truth. What minority groups has caused isn't diversity but it has divided Australia and now the citizens are less patriotic than before. The further left a country goes the more confused and divided a country will be. Keep it simple is what Australia needs right now, not this diversity and giving minority power over the majority bs.Tax payers shouldn't be wasting money on normalizing mental illness such as LBGTI social policies.
2:39 and 2:46 seems to be a particularly enlightening question
you can stop migration when i get a citizenship . and Australi should focus on bringing students rather than refugees
I think a new city should be built somewhere in central Australia rather than saturating the already saturated cities with artificial freshwater lakes it would give a better control on the mineral rich hinterlands of Australia...
With the stroke of a pen, we can stabilise Australia's population at the level that it is now and then let it shrink. Immigrants don't increase the prices that our mineral and agricultural exports attract on world markets. But the revenues that our government receives for them must be spread more thinly, the more people that move here.
@@chriswatson1698 more than immigrants they should encourage the fertility of Real Australians and support for people with more kids i bet Australia can be like usa if it has the population.
@@abhisekroy6430 Did you watch the video explain that there is not enough water?
@@abhisekroy6430 Do you really want to be anything like the USA? Fortunately, we don't have the water or the fertile soils.
The best way to distribute the population growth is to create low tax incentives in rural areas for people to immigrate, set up businesses and live, etc
Bung the government agencies there in rural locations, that forces the government employees to live in that area. That then creates jobs for the other services and utilities required for that increased population.
i believe australian govt is consedering cutting down immigrants to 70,000 (from 200,000)/year and placing geological visa restrictions for over half of those immigrants to curb the rapid population growth in sydney, melbourne and south east queensland
ROFL
And then their kids grow up go the city for higher education to get better jobs and never return to the rural areas again.The parents go out of business because everyone moved closer to the city so their children could get schooling.. the parents grow old,close the business before declaring bankrupt.More debt needed so government orders another batch immigrants gives them incentives from taxpayer money and cycle repeats.
There's good reason so few live rural anymore,it's by government design and socially engineered that way.Rural areas closed down because the government shunned the farming communities in favor of them selling and letting big business run food security.The small family farmers that we have left are hanging on by a thread.You can't seriously send new arrivals into the rural areas on a wing and a prayer expecting they'll survive longer than those that were born and raised there did.
@@brettanthonypalmer2956 I'm not expecting them to be farmers. I want to send them immigrant doctors, nurses, teachers, entrepreneurs, Mudgee is a perfect example of a rural town where real estate is already growing from demand. Not to mention not all rural areas are predominantly farming. Port Macquarie, Coffs Harbour, Mackay, Townsville are also appealing as coastal rural hubs, etc.
@@ToddJHammond You have noble intentions in theory,but with our immigration policy and target regions that we pull them from it's not a theory that is achievable.The vast majority of our immigration program are single males between age 18-35,many are considered under-educated even in there own country of origin,a lot of them don't speak english and never will.
I understand we have some absolutely brilliant individuals coming into this country that make Australia better as a whole,but they're the extreme outlying cases.For example,where I live we have a fairly new University Hospital with a fantastic diversity of staff and trainees who are all much appreciated and loved .... but we have a problem that far outweighs the good university .. and that is our crime rates have soared across the board,jobs at all levels of skill have become scarce with some jobs being reserved for immigrants only,the price of living has become outrageous.New arrivals are being lifted by subsidy and handout while the local bred struggle to maintain the cost of living,without subsidy the locals feel as though they pay,pay,pay while the residents recieve,recieve,recieve ... it's done nothing but build resentment on both sides.
It's sad,I volunteer to help the church feed cloth and give shelter to the homeless,destitute and struggling in in my area and none of them are African or Muslim,they aren't offered any meaningful way out of their situation,they aren't lifted up(given a hand) like the new arrivals are.However,what I do understand is that this will be the fate of some of the new arrivals once their "care package"" time has run out.
Yay!! Lets turn Australia into Brazil
What do you mean water's been through seven sets of kidneys in London? It never stops raining there.
Meanwhile in Alice Springs...
Darwin's population is on the decrease...how about Dampier, Broome,Roebourne,Quilpie and Boulia in Queensland?
its all about people making money not the bs about moving forward and being like london and paris
Sounds like youre a racialist.
By 2050 the population will be close to 50-60 million.
You won't own a car or be able to afford on , nor would it be practical as traffic congestion would be a nightmare.
You will need to get up at 5am to get to work on time to your entry level job.
You will be renting as you wont be able to afford a house. You will live in an appartment. The new Australian dream. Owning your own clothes.
then australia will be like spain or italy
The ordinary people of Spain and Italy have less living space than ordinary Australians. I was told that Italians don't know what it is like to live in a house. I was horrified by the way that the Milanese lived. Square miles of 4 storey concrete blocks of tiny flats.
MIgrants don't increase the prices that our exports receive on world markets, but the revenue that our governments get for those exports must be spread over more people. Less per capita.
Migrants contribute to the need for more infrastructure that we all have to pay for, not just the newcomers that make it necessary. Insertng infrastructure into a built up environment is expensive.
Building infrastructure is a case of taxing Australians to pay for facilities for foreigners. I am not interested in paying for infrastructure for foreigners. Cut immigration NOW.
Foreigners have money, this country is bankrupt
Foreigners COST. They contribute to the demand for more infrastructure, expensively inserted into a built environment. Of course the construction companies are rubbing their hands in glee at the profits that they are making out of the Australian taxpayers. And their workers, (many foreign) love their taxpayer funded wages.
You know when to stop because people will start talking about.. That's the sign!
Immigration benefits those already wealthy and the migrants themselves. The very real costs of population increase are borne by the whole community, especially the younger and poorer members of it.
Cut immigration now.
Get it back to the level it was during the government of Gough Whitlam: 50,000 per year.
"Destroying Australia as we know it" says Dick Smith. Aussies have been saying that since 1606 Janszoon or 1770 Cook.
And still no-one listens.
70% of Aussies dont want anymore Immigrants. we are 30 years in front of our Predictions for Population Size.
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Anyone for history?
It’s a issue if the cites are taking water from the farmland who are struggling to grow crops,
Now cites have grow crops on there roofs using less water therefore relying less on water supplies in the city hopefully having water in farmland giving more water nearby the dry lands that need it to reduce wildfires. Population growth is fine if food resources are studied more universities will give the emerging people to make Netherlands style farming of food also a reflective sheet over the reefs may save them though the water is warming. Electric public transportation and personal transport will help the sun shines in Australia they can get so much energy from that hopefully.
The whole spectrum of the sun need not be reflected as the plant life only need some of it.
The scenario that you are describing is ridiculous and can be avoided by stabilising our population at its present size. Growth is reducing living standards for many.
If one family only wants to have 1 kid and the average couple aged pension for a couple is about 36K a year then who will fund the retirees? That 1 kid has to pay at least 36K of tax plus more for land tax, income tax etc.
But how good is the food? Especially that real authentic "sushi" you guys probably get.
Australia’s infrastructure can’t cope with current population growth.
Australia needs a lot more migrants to help sustain the economy.
Some Australian states will run out of water in 5 years.
Wait, what.....? 🤔
City planning is better than no planning
How about each state and capital city hire city planners and create committees showing what infrastructure needs to be built to support and mould a growing Australia. For Example, Perth is expected to be Australia's 3rd largest city in 2050 and it will have as many people as modern day Sydney, therefore we need to look at what sydney does right and wrong and apply it to Perth, then we need to see what in Perth needs to change or needs an upgrade. For Example, maybe we might want more Australians but not more people in Perth, so we create infrastructure in the other WA cities to grow them and ease strain on Perth. After 40 years we might finally want to develop Northern WA and build a new city in lake Argyle. We need a group for each state showing what they need to support a growing Australia. Nothing needs to be done federally, keep immigration as it is and watch Australia adapt.
But that would actually make sense, and that is one thing that no government will have. Honestly our modern day politicians have no vision for Australia, only for themselves the party amd their donors.
thanks Bill Shorten and the 'big australia policy'
Watch it ghettoize..this'll be a laugh in fifteen years..shodddy mcmansions falling down, gangs and meth labs..nice one Australia..
rowb early So you can choose between converting these people into aussies or just trying to limit the ability of Australia to have a larger population. I mean America did it and it is a superpower
HAVE YOU been TO THE US??? SUPERPOWER?? Uh huh..they get caned by shepherds and rice farmers, Russia and China ignore them, their cities are falling apart, gang violence and ghettos everywhere, rampant fear and racism, homelessness and incarceration rates through the roof..and you want to slavishly copy THAT??? The US is riven with racial tensions, poverty and urban AND rural decay..there are no manufacturing jobs, services cannot soak up that many poor people, the water isn't there in AUS. and domestic food production isn't keeping pace..and what,exactly, is the Benefit OF A HUGE POPULATION???
No offence, internet warrior, but have these ghettos actually ever happened in the real-world?. I moved into a multi-cultural 'McMansion' suburb in Sydney in the 1980s. My house is still standing and neighbors have been great.
Internet warrior? It's a public comment section,precious...dry those eyes. I didn't reference immigrants at all..stop trying to strawman me with your one trick virtue signal. Ghettoizing means lack of services, crumbling infrastructure, a dearth of jobs. Yes, they happen, (DUH) look at Logan in Qld, or many parts of western Sydney and Sth East Melbourne today. Maybe you need to get out more.
Glad to hear from an expert on political psychology..University of "I reckon" with a PHD in finger pointing ,majoring in copying the seppos?
I think Australians are generally nice..., but if you read the comments here,.. It makes me sad..., I'm young educated, Christian Asian guy and I've heard a lot of good things about Australia that it is considered one of the most livable place on earth. It's also a Christian majority and have a good warm climate country like my own country. But, after watching this, it makes me realize that,immigration is really a double edge sword, I think I'm just gonna cause more harm than good...so I think I have a change of heart and I'm sad, I really like to immigrate their ,I fell in love with the country after I finish my master's degree there. I just pray and hope that you'll never lose your identity as Australians, those traits that I feel in love with.. Oi! Oi! Aussie! Aussie! All the love from the Philippines,.. I'll visit you soon... Thanks for the opportunities and scholarship. P. S.,.. I miss vegimite 😭😭😭...💜
Jereme S the type of immigrants most hated/feared in Australia are those who come here with no skills, no command of English, no desire to be Australians (but happy to be say, Sudanese in Australia) and look at what our country can do for them, rather than the other way around.
An educated person like yourself would be nothing short of an asset to Australia. Provided that is that your presence doesn't mean Australian born job seekers have to compete with you.
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@@natalieanddoncoleman8880 all good mate... All good... I completely understand...
@@ELECTROMA0230 you don't have to worry mate, I'm not adding to your countries problem, .im not migrating or something.
Natalie and Don Coleman I have to laugh, you paid a compliment with one sentence and took it away with the next.
I do agree with everything in your opening paragraph, however. People who come here with no intentions of ever mixing and fitting in shouldn't be here, it's as simple as that. The same with those who come here and try to change our laws.
8:45 guy says there is no public park in Wentworth Point, yet its right next to Bicentenial park lol. Why the FUD?
albany in western australia is growing really fast and there probaly going to start putting 300meter sky scarpers
im not sure if Australia will cope but i sure wont ! Outback here i come .
ROFLMAO ... That's exactly where the next 70K "skilled migrants" are going to be dropped.There's no escaping this fate if it's left to continue.