Unproduced Toys - TMNT, Masters Of The Universe, Transformers, Thundercats - Toy History #18

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[@rolmodel12.]

This is my favorite series you do, and one of my favorite segment's of ANY toy-themed channel!
Nice litte weekend bonus, for me personally 😊 cheers!

[@EdsRetroGeekOut]

Thanks buddy 🤓

[@Dylan_Hinkle]

Ouoo

[@singaporesammy]

It always creeped me out when the Turtles had hair.

[@EdsRetroGeekOut]

Lucious leo hair should be in the description of that savage leo 🤣

[@johngurnhill8743]

Much love from England

[@EdsRetroGeekOut]

Thanks for watching 🤓

[@p.d.l7023]

Tea and trumpets, old Chap Stick!

[@jasontachin]

RW:the Elf turtle Reminds me of Mikey in that one episode of TMNT the 2010 or 2012 cgi cartoon about that LARP episode (Live Action Role Play)

[@jasontachin]

rw:thnxu again for the heart ^_^

[@Tkdbar]

Gotta have that sewer cat .

[@EdsRetroGeekOut]

Me as well 😁

[@p.d.l7023]

Robot: We have to blend in! Turn into a gorilla in a football helmet!

[@garyblackburn3080]

Yea...seems to be A LOT of them and what else...what else???? Oh U got it! I'll be a giant beetle lookin thing with like machine gun ammo or somethin...Bet there's a few of them lol

[@danielrecommends]

I like the savage Leo and the tiger the most. Its a great blend of MOTU and TMNT. These unproduced toy videos are always so interesting. I think it would be cool to do an episode on toy mysteries that haven't been solved or have just recently solved. It's crazy that it took until 2020 to crack the mystery of Wonderbread He-Man. How many other toys have so much mystery surrounding them?

[@EdsRetroGeekOut]

Spectorcreative did a video on the heman wonderbread thing very good and then pixel dan just picked one up and that story checks out 🤓 i would need to bring something new to the table 🤔 if i would do a new one

[@danielrecommends]

@@EdsRetroGeekOut yeah that makes sense. I don't even know if there are other toy mysteries out there on par with Wonderbread He-Man.

[@EdsRetroGeekOut]

@@danielrecommends there’s the bumblejumper from transformers 🤔

[@danielrecommends]

@@EdsRetroGeekOut its a start right?

[@pigeonmanx4655]

Damn that knight mike looks cool

[@EdsRetroGeekOut]

So much detail 🤓

[@davidbrown1725]

You need more subs for the quality and production value if these vids man

[@EdsRetroGeekOut]

Thanks for watching 🤓

[@staalhard4044]

"japanese squirt robot"
Sounds like a GWAR songtitle.

[@EdsRetroGeekOut]

Awesome 🤣

[@bradendeems6845]

or a title to a x-rated anime

[@matthiash3136]

Gwar rules dude =) RIP Brockie

[@staalhard4044]

@@matthiash3136 Watch Holliston if you haven't already!

[@p.d.l7023]

Wizard Splinter: What is your quest?
Leo: To seek the Grail.
Wizard Splinter: What...is your favorite color?

[@SwiftpawWolffox]

I have the version of the gorilla double pretender created for Botcon. He's cool, but I can see why they didn't actually produce the Double Pretenders it would of been a LOT of material for very simplistic figures, at a time when the toyline's profits were already waning.

[@EdsRetroGeekOut]

That makes sense! Yeah i saw that release looked pretty nice cool to own 😁

[@primalconvoy]

I've got both of them too. I love pretenders.

[@autobotjazz1972]

Exactly the end of the G1 toy line was the death knell for the double pretenders. I have always assumed that the development never got beyond the design for the shells and existing pretenders inner figures were used for test purposes to work out the inner space required.

[@AWALegendsSanDiego]

i think those two pretenders were the precursor for beast wars

[@hectorvasquez77]

Danm I would of liked to see those turtles in a episode.

[@EdsRetroGeekOut]

I have a viking turtle comic that’s kind of in the same style i don’t think they matched with the cartoon for this one

[@robk.6591]

The Evil Robot doesn't look like it would fit in with the MOTU Universe.
That makes sense that they just recycled that Japanese toy with a robot head.

[@ceddebruxelles]

I thought the same but it wouldn't have been the first time.

[@EdsRetroGeekOut]

Then again battlecat was just a big jim sized cat they took for motu with a repaint 😄

[@Liquidcadmus]

yeah, in any case they should have made the same character and it's concept by working with the MOTU mold instead of recycling something from another line.

[@autobotjazz1972]

It was real common to repurpose existing toys into a new toy line, hell the first 2 years of Transformers were basically just toys from various japanese toy lines sorted into the competing groups , given new names and backstories.

[@Squirrelshagger]

I hope that the MotU Evil Robot will come in the new Masters of the Universe Origins line from Mattel and the Red Eye could be revealed in the Thundercats line by Super7 in the future ... i'll keep my fingers crossed !!!

[@EdsRetroGeekOut]

😁 would be cool to see!

[@kristopherpreston419]

Wow! Those toys would have been amazing to have on the line. What could have been 🤔 ?

[@EdsRetroGeekOut]

There’s a lot more development nobody knows about just waiting to be uncovered in an old toy designers garage or attic 🤓

[@blackcat-dh8gq]

They could have done so much more. I love seeing those fully stocked shelves. Good video.

[@EdsRetroGeekOut]

Thanks for watching 🤓

[@devonrichardson44]

I want Night Mike so bad

[@EdsRetroGeekOut]

He looks awesome 🥲i must have him the precioussss

[@Andulvar]

Also, that action feature for that unreleased Thundercats toy would be used later for Transformers a few decades later for Soundwave and Blaster to launch "cassettes" so it wasn't fully lost to time.

[@Gappasaurus]

11:11 Lol, yes! Take that Snarf!!! 😆
Awesome work Ed, these videos are true gems of forgotten toy history 😎

[@EdsRetroGeekOut]

Snarf! 😁 thanks buddy

[@squallleonhart8]

I didn't know anything about this! Those "MOTU-TMNT" are really awesome! Thanks for the video.

[@EdsRetroGeekOut]

Thanks for watching 🤓

[@sukmeion9534]

I love the old days and retro toys kids now don't understand and know that.. it's nostalgic days treasure for me. Thank you for showing those

[@jamesjustice4515]

I wish they made a real sound wave recorder that would really play tapes. I have a lot of music on tape. And a real baster boom box. I've wanted one of them sense high school. I wish someone would pass it on to make both of them for real. From the sledgemaster (owner of the only and first 100 pound sledgehammer in the world).

[@patrickowens4294]

Good stuff. That MOTU robot is particularly quaint. The gorilla Double Pretender did end up getting released...in a way...at Botcon 2015. The shell was actually a new sculpt designed after the prototype and there were two redeco Transformers inside. He was given the name "Oilmaster". Great video, Ed!

[@EdsRetroGeekOut]

Cool 🤓

[@DarthMacchio]

Turtles toys really jumped the shark, the dolphin, the whale, and the Titanic.

[@angryvikings]

Never even heard of the "Warriors of the Forgotten Sewer" toy line from playmates.
I was at that 1996 Botcon, The Hasbro Rep stated that The Pretenders would have been Optimus and Megatron, but no art existed that he knew of for the Inner Robot(s).

[@EdsRetroGeekOut]

Awesome it looked like a cool convention 🤓

[@angryvikings]

@@EdsRetroGeekOut Yeah it was my first convention as a kid. So much fun. The Hasbro Rep was also a HUGE fan so he mingled well with us.
But apparently He got fired after his time there because Hasbro felt he gave to much information away (honestly he didn't say anything revealing at all, he had great fan interaction balanced with proper cooperate tight lipped) and all I got out of him was he really hoped to bring a long gone G1 toy back into Beast Wars.
I saw he was clearly eyeing a MINT in Box Jetfire and I said "oh you mean Jetfire?" He paused realizing I saw what he was eyeing and he said "Well theirs alot of possibilities for Beast wars I'd like to see happen" And that was it. I didn't press him because even though I was a kid I knew about job security even then. And I recall saying well if so that would be cool.
I liked Jetfire as a kid, and the fact he crashed landed into Earth would work great with the story line if the Maximals found him.
But again since this was mid 90's and Companies still didn't fully understand that Fanbase interaction was a good thing, and anything outside of directly prepared speeches could get you fired. :/
I and other fans found out at Botcon 97 he was let go and where sad to hear that. His Replacements tired to walk a line of being open to fans but saying nothing, and yet because the internet is great for leaks even way back in 1997, everyone knew almost all the toys they had to display.
"How do you guys know this"
"Internet"
Heh.

[@p.d.l7023]

These always interest me. I know that Earthworm Jim had a lot of good stuff that never got made.

[@EdsRetroGeekOut]

Indeed so much good stuff on there! Maybe i need to talk about it in an upcoming episode 🤔

[@Andulvar]

Since one of the shells was supposed to be used for Cerebros, chances are good the spider one was going to come with a larger Zarak body. The ape by the way was named Oilmaster.

[@dranimations7902]

Interesting. There were so many good yet obscure characters in Thundercats - I've forgotten so many of them.

[@EdsRetroGeekOut]

All those lunataks 😁

[@thewoodbarionshow2223]

Awesome video ED!👍

[@EdsRetroGeekOut]

Thanks my friend 🤓

[@rodrickadamginsburg8960]

Congratulations on 25K 🎊🎉🥳

[@optimascrime5235]

It's official I love this channel🤣🤟Can you maybe talk about toys from the early 2000's like as a separate video😏🤔

[@EdsRetroGeekOut]

I can try but which toylines would that be 🤔

[@optimascrime5235]

@@EdsRetroGeekOut Maybee talk about the Transfomers movie toys or some 2003 TMNT stuff🤔😁

[@Lio_Convoy]

The way LJN did their toyline for ThunderCats was so interesting. Almost 100% divorced from influencing the cartoon, they really just did random things and produced one-off characters while leaving main characters without toys whatsoever.

[@EdsRetroGeekOut]

This sounds like a great topic for a video 🤔🤔🤔

[@rodrickadamginsburg8960]

Extremely enjoyable and enlightening!

[@Dragosani4]

Man, I love your vids. I always see something new that sends me in to an eBay search frenzy. I had no clue those TMNT figures existed. XD

[@EdsRetroGeekOut]

Thanks for watching 🤓

[@catnapMitsu]

This an amazing series! So good!

[@EdsRetroGeekOut]

Thanks so much 🤓

[@82teamo]

The transformer story brings back old memories cuz I used to own one as a child many many years ago

[@EdsRetroGeekOut]

Thanks for watching 🤓🤘

[@Theretrosaint]

Love this video Ed!

[@EdsRetroGeekOut]

Thanks buddy 🤓

[@MartinCarterProduction]

Cool Mini Docu again.

[@EdsRetroGeekOut]

Thank you 🤓

[@stevenimeson902]

yea i do remember seeing knight mike on the back of a cardback, thinking oh wow they never made him... yeah i gotta get me a copy of rad plastic!!!

[@EllisD01]

That Skeleton Warriors picture has me interested. Have never seen the Talon figure, or the others in the picture. Hate that she was never released.

[@EdsRetroGeekOut]

Yeah i should probably talk about those in an upcoming episode 🤓

[@dominicpaul1]

Fantastic video! One of your best 😊

[@EdsRetroGeekOut]

Thanks buddy 🤓🤘

[@80svillainstoys63]

Sooo much info!!!!

[@EdsRetroGeekOut]

Thanks buddy 🤓

[@thefirstofthelastones8952]

As both a fan of Fantasy and TMNT i would've add those Warriors of the Secret Sewers to my collection.

[@EdsRetroGeekOut]

Me too 🥳

[@_The_Worst_]

Whoa...😮...all these unreleased toys look cool as fawk...👌🏼💯✔

[@EdsRetroGeekOut]

Aw yeah 😁

[@christopherpauls519]

I love these i re-watch all the time

[@EdsRetroGeekOut]

Thanks 🤓

[@megatron9339]

I definitely want those Pretenders!

[@EdsRetroGeekOut]

They look nice 🤘

[@Empiretoys1138]

Great video Ed!!! Some cool toys we never got to see. Also cool tshirt.

[@EdsRetroGeekOut]

Thanks buddy 🤓

[@eltenda]

Awesome video!!!

[@EdsRetroGeekOut]

Thanks buddy 🤓

[@p.d.l7023]

Thundercats guy was called "Red eye" not because he had eyes. It's because he liked to take commercial flight overnight to the east coast.

[@primalconvoy]

The double pretender gorilla was eventually sold, using a new mold, at Botcon. The red armoured one was Optimus Prime, while the grey gorilla was a Decepticon.

[@EdsRetroGeekOut]

Yeah i saw those they look really cool, i was never a pretenders fan but after looking these up i do kinda like the decepticon monsters 🤓

[@wonderwaffle93]

I freaking love Pretenders, they’re such an oddity but man they’re beautiful in hand especially the Decepticon pretenders(I currently only have those atm)
Even better when they’re in good condition.
It’s still possible to get the gorilla Double pretender, as the TF Subscription service made two of them, both red and black.
I only have the Megatron variant but that’s just a recolor of the Grand Maximus pretender shell BUT that was a Japanese exclusive back in the 80s, so it still has some awesome charm to own one.
Would recommend checking eBay to those who are looking for these!

[@EdsRetroGeekOut]

Awesome 🤩 the decepticon ones look so cool!

[@jamesjustice4515]

They can call the past unleash figures (past to the future)or( past figures travel to the future).

[@rodrickadamginsburg8960]

Another very well done video!

[@EdsRetroGeekOut]

Thanks for watching 🤓

[@rodrickadamginsburg8960]

@@EdsRetroGeekOut My pleasure!

[@bonebreakingaction6815]

Super cool video thanks

[@EdsRetroGeekOut]

Thanks for watching 🤓

[@andystoysandmodels9582]

Another great video dude. Love the thundercat stuff!

[@EdsRetroGeekOut]

Thanks buddy 🤓🤘

[@4thecollectors]

You got some good information

[@GamerAhmer]

I would’ve loved those TMNT toys!!! 🐢

[@EdsRetroGeekOut]

🤓 they do look cool

[@dstock9855]

That lotr tmnt toy line would have been so cool as a kid. I read the crap out of lotr in the 90s as a kid.

[@johnbest1978]

What a great vlog always look forward to your vlogs. Keep up the great work on bringing the lost info to us. Thank you

[@EdsRetroGeekOut]

Thanks for watching 🤓

[@RetroRobotRadio]

A gorilla double Pretender shell was eventually produced by the Transformers collectors club. The brown and gray one was a Decepticon named Oilmaster. The one in the red armor was sold as double Pretender Optimus Prime.

[@EdsRetroGeekOut]

I saw those they looked cool 🤓

[@RetroRobotRadio]

@@EdsRetroGeekOut
If you ever plan to do a sequel video, there are tons of candidates for unreleased toys. GoBots, Rock Lords, Mantech, Centurions.
Transformers recently released a Decepticon jet name Sandstorm which was inspired by an unreleased toy from the 1990s.
tfwiki.net/wiki/Sandstorm_(G2)

[@doddsino]

A few I remember as a kid;
Jurassic Park Dino Hunters: Scrap Davis
Real Ghostbusters: Egon's Lab
Darkwing Duck: Series 2, which basically finished out the majority of the DW characters, specifically Gizmo Duck and the Fearsome Five. I DESPERATELY wanted these as a kid.

[@EdsRetroGeekOut]

Awesome already did a few but darkwing duck should be in an upcoming episode

[@kellymurray5598]

those turtles were awesome wow

[@EdsRetroGeekOut]

Indeed i want em all 🤩

[@kellymurray5598]

@@EdsRetroGeekOut lol dont blame you im well jell lol

[@Kylorin235]

At least the gorilla pretender shell got released at botcon and contains two robots that...kinda fit inside lol.

[@omarvalderama1284]

I love ur channel I’m a huge collector of the 80s-90s

[@EdsRetroGeekOut]

Thanks 🤓🤘

[@jjkingghidorah1]

When i was young,... I was in K-mart , in Montana. ( Montana would get Canadian exclusives sometimes ), anyhow,.... I know i saw the spice alien from the movie Dune. it was a rubber alien figure, inside that chamber he floated in, complete with orange, reddish, sand (spice) ,... it was so cool looking. I've never seen it again. nobody believes it even existed. there was 3 or more on the shelf and too expensive for my family.

[@EdsRetroGeekOut]

Cool 😁

[@MasterSplinter79]

Great list again!!! Keep up the great video's!!!

[@EdsRetroGeekOut]

Thanks buddy 🤓

[@Carlos_Balli]

One day I’ll own a prototype, till then I’ll just 🤤 awesome video as usual 😎

[@EdsRetroGeekOut]

Thanks buddy 😁 ooh i wish i could get a prototype as well!

[@Pzrem]

Very interesting about the MOTU robot. Saw the prototype photo before, did not know it was a reused sculpt. Hmm...wondering what other reused sculpts for other toyline with minimal tooling and just new paint would fit into the line if it continued. MOTU - most recycled toyline in the universe.

[@EdsRetroGeekOut]

Yeah they did repurpose a lot from other lines like big jim 😁

[@maskedriderweaver4122]

I'm a Transformer fan, so those Pretenders peeked my interest. For the record, Pretenders were portrayed very differently in the East and West. In America, the Pretenders were often shown to be smaller than normal transformers. This allowed the Autobots to masquerade as normal humans, especially to Decepticons who were new to Earth. The Decepticons specifically chose to assume monster appearances to terrify humans, but to avoid identification as Decepticons. Basically, attacks would be blamed on monsters which the Autobots would presumably ignore in favor of tracking down "real" Decepticons. In said portrayal, the shells were controlled by the inner robots. In contrast, the Japanese versions were more or less human sized while their "shells" were active, but their shells vanished and they assumed normal Transformer size when assuming robot form. The robots and the shells never worked side by side to my knowledge.

[@EdsRetroGeekOut]

Cool that’s so japanese 😁

[@adeskin1701]

I really dig Warcat 🐯😋

[@EdsRetroGeekOut]

Would shredder have gotten a panthor variant 🤔😜

[@senorfish2503]

Very neat stuff! Please bend the brim of that hat.

[@EdsRetroGeekOut]

🤔 perhaps

[@SebastienlovesCookieswirlc]

Those skeleton warriors were ace.

[@EdsRetroGeekOut]

We missed out on an entire second wave 🥲

[@wiibrockster]

I'd have loved that Spellcaster Splinter!

[@EdsRetroGeekOut]

He has a bit of a mickey mouse fantasia look 😅

[@wiibrockster]

@@EdsRetroGeekOut I don't see that honestly

[@EdsRetroGeekOut]

It would have been nice to have had a couple more splinters with some more animo

[@mahirimsirovic9906]

Can't wait for rad plastic book to come just pre ordered couple of days ago

[@EdsRetroGeekOut]

Mine just shipped 🥳

[@radplastic-tmnttoys6537]

THanks for the order Mahir!

[@zoiddanorthcore1052]

Hey Ed, great video. That Turtles line look nice, never saw them. I am missing the Star Wars Ewoks Wave 2 Figure Prototypes, maybe something for the next Toy History Episode. Greetings from germany.

[@EdsRetroGeekOut]

Thanks ill look into those! 👌

[@pokemoncare9829]

My best and one that got me to tmnt 1987 one

[@jaycon3460]

Great video

[@EdsRetroGeekOut]

Thanks 🤓

[@willku9000]

That Gorilla Pretender got New Life with 2 New versions that were released as BotCon and Transformers Collectors club Exclusives. It had 2 different paint jobs and Names. The BotCon one being a Decepticon named Oilmaster and the TFCC version (Which was more accurate in color to the one in the photos you showed) being Optimus Prime. I know this because I own Both of them. I really want that Spider Though

[@EdsRetroGeekOut]

Awesome 🙌

[@willku9000]

@@EdsRetroGeekOut indeed

[@AnJohnThanhNguyen]

Long time ago I got Power Rangers S.P.D motorcycle blue ranger toys from Walmart

[@EdsRetroGeekOut]

Awesome

[@kingkahn11]

I got the rad plastic book last weeks. It’s pretty great.

[@EdsRetroGeekOut]

Awesome 🤓👌

[@knightwolfpro4494]

I was saddened when I saw the Cross Sell from Skeleton Warriors that showed a Talon figure. Had she been part of the first wave, I would have collected that series.

[@EdsRetroGeekOut]

Yeah 🥲 we missed out on a lot of skeleton warriors

[@knightwolfpro4494]

@@EdsRetroGeekOut Someone did a kickstarter to sort of relaunch Skeleton Warriors, and did pretty well with Barron Dark, but then made the same sort of mistake that occurred originally and had the second figure be Grimskull and that one failed.

[@jamesjustice4515]

But they both would transform.

[@zeroh2hero]

Whoa he man leo!! 😉

[@dusicaristic4565]

I just want 1990 Halloween style sequel like they said.

[@nickd6303]

The ape pretender was released as a convention exclusive.

[@EdsRetroGeekOut]

Yeah different mold tough 🤓

[@carlosmartell99]

Wooow amo este video, tantas figuras que no salieron a la venta.

[@EdsRetroGeekOut]

Gracias 🤓

[@Pringlesman]

It would be cool if someone with a 3d scanner could scan in some of these figures. Custrom 3d printed ones would be nice for collectors.

[@jamesjustice4515]

Good night big guy and god bless

[@LCFC81]

Redeye needs to get up on outta here with those eyeholes.

[@jamesmoss3424]

I wish that master of the universe robot toy get released for fans to play it. 😀👍

[@EdsRetroGeekOut]

Lasers everywhere 🤣🔫

[@saschadiestelow8368]

I think 2 of the most popular unreleased Prototype Transformers are for sure G2 Menasor and G2 Defensor. Perhaps when there are even 3-4 complete Combiners of each out there and of course some loose Figures, except the Botcon 96(?) carded G2 Breakdown, there is only ONE complete Menasor with only exsistend Head and Stickers applied on each of them in 5 sealed Produktion Bags , was spotted worldwide and was sold on Ebay for about 28.000$ after 50+ Bids on it.................G2 Defensor Stickers by the way, doesn´t seem to exsist. These Pretender Things are Hardcopies, where the Combiners are last Testshots, ready to seeing Stores....................but that never happened.

[@EdsRetroGeekOut]

G2’s i haven’t looked into 🤓

[@criticizeeverythingeverywh9291]

Been watching all of these. Great series. Makes me wonder if there were any plans for a second wave of Dick Tracy figures.

[@rolandkatsuragi]

I'm glad MotU didn't go the route of Transformers with importing figures

[@EdsRetroGeekOut]

Indeed 🤓🤘

[@rodrickadamginsburg8960]

If you build it they will buy it!

[@larsledwon7092]

Soooooo much stuff that i want but i never get 😓😅 thx for that VIDEO🔥👍👍👍

[@EdsRetroGeekOut]

Thanks for watching 🤓

[@jolkasiejda4514]

The first wrap snap

[@derburgermeister3215]

Awesome Video. Thanks for All the Informationens. Greetings Florian

[@EdsRetroGeekOut]

Thanks buddy 🤘🤓

[@LordKrytos]

Hy Ed awesome Video. Would love to have those Turtles myself ^^

[@EdsRetroGeekOut]

Thanks buddy 🤓

[@jamesjustice4515]

If anybody's see what I'm writing on here now or figures companies. Every figure that did not get released and was going to be and did not. This is a time for mattle and super7 and Hasbro and any other companies to make these figures for collectors and kids. Someone past this on, if u can to all the companies. It would be so nice to have these none releases, that supposed to get released but didn't and or the the figures that was drawn on paper and never made it to figure. From the sledgemaster good night and god bless

[@EdsRetroGeekOut]

Super 7 has done certain unreleased figs for motu and mattycollector did a ton in motuc 🤓