Whenever he's mean or rude to a child, I just imagine it's because he's trying to keep his own distance and convince himself that he dislikes them purely because seeing them reminds him of the children he brought back to Cazador. It's not that he hates them, it's that they just make him feel guilt.
Lore-wise, Astarion was an elf-child himself when he was taken. He was 39 when killed, but elves only reach cultural adulthood at 100 (they physically mature as fast as humans, but are not recognized as adults yet). He wouldn't even have his adult names yet, so "Astarion" would just be his parents calling him their little star.
@@FurTheWorkers he’s not a child and you’re weird for calling him that. He was an adult when he was turned, it’s just that since elves live a long time, elves have different concepts of stages of life. But in terms of actual age and biology, he is no different than an adult human
@@kstar1489 In elven society, he's not considered an adult. He's physically mature, but he's still socially a child. He's barely a third of the way to being a cultural adult. I don't know what you'd call that but a child.
@FurTheWorkers i guess it does make sense in a way since elves have a wide range of maturity so they would see under 100 or whatever the age as immature
I get the lore, but I gotta agree with @kstar1289 that equating him to a child is weird, and infantilizing him. He was a grown adult in every way except culturally. He literally had a job and everything. him being called "boy" isnt much different than when an 90 year old adult calls a 40yo a "boy", because comparatively they are a kid but technically they're an adult. we cant give elves humans a 1:1 comparison. culturally he was still a youth but in no way was he a kid.@@FurTheWorkers
He disapproves when you give a beggar the higher option of money the game offers you to give her, at the front of the counting house or whatever the place with the vaults is called. I wonder why. I can speculate, but he’s kinda hard to predict sometimes and to pinpoint the specific reasons for his reactions. Edit: I also recently found out that he approves of not helping Yenna to begin with.
@@miaomiiao He had no choice at all. When a vampire orders a spawn they created to do something, they are compelled magically to comply, and the vampire lord can monitor them to some extent through that link. The most Astarion could sometimes do was try to fuck up so the victim gets away, but the last time he did that he was buried alive for a whole year as punishment.
@@icyblue1409 oh ok, I did that quest (saved the kid from the hag) without realising I had to talk to the mother first. The kid just ran off so I assumed she was one of Mols orphan kids 🤷♀️ guess I miss out on that reward then
Astarion is a genuinely good guy. His story is a redemption story. I realized he was truly good when he was genuinely worried about Lae'zel while she was being "cleansed". He said "so the plan is we just leave her in their to die?!". He was shocked. He also likes Arabella and wanted me to make sure the kid the hag ate didn't die while fighting her. People can defend ascended Astarion all they want, but if you don't let him ascend he acknowledges that he wasn't himself right after killing Cazador and he smiles so big. He's a good guy.
Actually, ascended Astarion is only a path Astarion has the potential for from the start whether you ascend him or not depends on your choices during the ritual. Also, Neil explicitly said that AA is Astarion’s personality without needing to pretend in order to please someone else and feel safe. And at the same time, Astarion also has the potential for becoming what he ends up being in the end if you don’t ascend him, because it all entirely depends on where you nudge him towards. But the germs for both versions of him are in him from the moment you meet him, which means ascended Astarion and unascended Astarion are both true versions of him and neither of them is fake or less valid. And this debate seriously needs to end, because it’s simply dumb as hell. Ascend him if you want, don’t ascend him if you don’t and stop judging each other for what you choose to do 🙄
I love that Yenna kid. She really hit my Dad reflex. I read that Orin could take her if you sleep too many nights and immediately started hunting Orin before that could happen (She took Laez but that cranky Gith knows how to handle herself)
In my game Yenna stayed as Yenna as I had already encountered Orin twice before (as a “dying guy” near the beach, and as “a journalist” near the bridge). So the Dryad at the circus was actually a Dryad for me too. I think you can tell it’s Orin and not Yenna because the orange cat is dead at her feet
Yeah I had that interaction, too. It was wonderful seeing him so soft. For me he was also the one saying we needed to be careful in the second hag fight because just killing her would kill the child she ate. He said that fully unprompted. He really does care for children, he just tries to hide it.
@@NeverNatter Makes sense when you consider the type of person Cazador is... I could just imagine him going out of his way to force Astarion to hurt people he showed any softness towards. I really hope his 'sweet boy' really did get away.
@@ANPC-pi9vu oh yeah Astarion says that one time he tried to defy Cazador because his “target” that night was such a kind person, and as punishment Cazador locked Astarion in a tomb for a year.
@@NeverNatter yeah he said that in my fight too with the Hag too, and I was like “aww that’s cute he’s come so far from when we first met” (back at the start he would have been like “IDGAF who dies as long as it’s not me”)
This is why I don't believe at all that Astarion, non-ascended, falls into the Evil alignment, which is what some people put him as. I'm 90% sure he's a Chaotic Neutral, he's definitely an agent of chaos but he's also not firmly Good or Evil, and instead is driven by his whims/self-interest, which is what Neutrals do. Astarion certainly does vary from being good (worried for Yenna and having a conscience over his role in the disappearing children in the city) and his usual tartness, so I think CN fits him perfectly.
During Early Access, I was pretty convinced he was supposed to be Chaotic Evil, but not anymore. To be fair, Astarion, Lae'zel and Shadowheart were all toned down before release (for example, Astarion is much more sympathetic towards Mayrina now, when he used to laugh histerically at her misfortune), and also we didn't have all the acts so character development was limited. Now, I agree that he is Chaotic Neutral, and I'd say at the end of the game he can even arguably be considered Chaotic Good if he doesn't ascend. Now, some might argue for Neutral Good at the end, but I think being chaotic is the only constant for him lol
Gurl what is with this hard copium 💀 He is an evil prick when you first meet him. I really like Astarion but he is an evil asshole through and through unless you help him see a better path.
It's a crime that no one's pointed out how fine your character is. Not enough people play Half-Orc chicks. I am mentally shaking your hand in solidarity rn, there are so few of us
At the tiefling party at my camp Laezel told me she wanted Astarion. I was so surprised by her 'The vampire looks particularly good to me.' I lol. I so wanted a scene of her hitting on him and his reaction.
I remember how shocked and happy when Astarion approved of giving Yenna food, also when we found Arabella in act 3 he was the first to say something it's sweet
The cat is so cute 😢😢 it’s the only cat I’ve spoken to in the game that is timid / lacking confidence. Spoiler: Orin can potentially kidnap Yenna. If she does, she cooks the cat as a soup. I was heartbroken and traumatised, reloaded and she took Laezel lol
I thought Yenna was Orin and kept shooting firebolts at her (after tip-off from Gortash), then Laezel got kidnapped. I don't think it was Yenna she impersonated, sorry yen, my mistake :P
So i see a lot of these things about yenna getting kidnapped but she never did. Orin kidnapped Lae Zel in my playthrough and i talked to yenna like EVERY night so it isnt like i wasn't progressing her story. She made the best soup. Slurp happy.
When one of your companions get kidnapped by Orin, Orin already kidnapped Yenna and was masquerading as her. If you found the sewers early she would leave with them both. And leaves the kitty alive. I'm playing the Dark Urge origin, so I'll he going after my mc's sister first. Yanno coz revenge.
@@CapucineNighly But i never got any yenna being impersonated cutscenes and i still have mr kitty. i also didnt go into the sewers until about half the way through the act 3 i did the entirety of the outside baldurs gate bit then i went and did the pidgeon sidequest/circus where i ran into orin. went and did the open hand thing trying to find evidence. oh wait that leads you to the sewers with the shapeshifters. huh. guess i did go to the sewers.
He also approved when i agreed to find Vanra, the kid stolen by Auntie Ethel. Not sure if he looked forward to killing her or to save a kid or both, but it was a pleasant surprise
when you’re playing a good Tav and convince him not to ascend, the changes in him are massive as he finally has someone who showed him power is not everything.
I got approval from him for comforting Vanra after she got puked up. This was before we confronted Cazador, too, so if it's variable it's based on something else.
Yenna always gets taken by Orin in my playthroughs. I have no idea why she never takes anybody else. Ive never had any of these interactions -- I'd assumed she existed to take the place of a companion when kidnapped if you werent close enough to any of the possible choices.
Well Orin takes Yenna unless you have laezel in your party. If ever you do have laezel, Orin can still take yenna if you have gale and Halsin/minthra. But let’s say you only have laezel, then it can be Halsin or Gale. Yenna will still be in the camp but not much to talk other than the fact she still there. Laezel is important on your party because she is the one that catches “Yenna” in the camp. So if you don’t want Yenna to be caught, you just gotta roam with laezel in your party until someone else is caught.
After picking Yenna, don't do long rest and go to sewers, Orin will interact with you in sewers, after that you won't see Yenna ever again in your camp but kitty will stay in your camp and live
@@ladymaria5921 I did several long rests after Yenna came to the camp and Orin kidnapped lazael while Yenna still disappeared. It is a bug not feature.
"Not that I care, it's just that I care so much and my unbeating heart is breaking in my chest as we speak and what if the little urchin kid gets hurt oh my god oh my god we must be heroes and rescue this poor innocent child."
@@michasokoowski6651 she's not. Orin can replace (and kidnap) her, while killing the cat; Replace Halsin (while killing Yenna) Replace Gale (while killing Yenna) Replace Laezel, then take a knife to her neck saying that Yenna is shapeshifter. If you see through fake Laezel, you can save Yenna. But Lae still gets kidnapped.
@@sgxthachits bugged out. Yenna gets flagged to despawn and laezel gets kidnapped but canonically yenna is still alive since her cat doesn't mention anything
It was always a horror series. Bhaal symbol was on the front cover, first cutscene was a Darth Vader looking motherfucker annihilating a knight offba building.
Awww I'm sad I missed this. Halsin was the one who got kidnapped for me but Yenna just disappeared anyways. And then Halsin disappeared after I rescued him lol. Guess I took too long 💀
@@JPXtorsionits only if you go to the sewers before you make camp after gortash, i had that happened, yenna was gone and she took leazel, had to reload so i could save yenna in the camp cutscene 😢
Grub the cat is alive in my save file even after Orin did what she did... So the next morning I wanted to give Grub a funeral but my character had a strength of 8, so instead... as messed up as it is but I promise it has a good ending...I chucked the cat's body across the camp to get it closer to Lazeal so she could pick it up. (In my mind she would take it, not get encumbered and we would find a spot for him) Strangest thing happened though, after I threw it it sorta splattered in the ground and (somehow????) fully healed itself and was brought back to life. Grub doesn't talk anymore but he IS alive and is just vibing in camp now. I like to think of him as Astarion's pet vampire/zombie cat now :)
I kept waiting for Yenna to be Orin in disguise. But I guess since there is some weird mechanic which NPCs are Orin until they suddenly aren't, and I have no idea how the game chooses the kidnapped character, Yenna ended up just repeating one line in my camp.
Cat Fact: The reason Cats go off to be alone when they sense their gonna die is to be in a safe place, calm down, and protect their bodies from larger predators. So Grub was actually spitting cat facts. Also I would die for that little scaredy cat!
On my first play-through I learned about Orin kidnapping one of our companions and I learned that pretty much the only way to guarantee both Yenna and Grub live is to ensure Orin kidnaps Lae'zel. Now I loved Lae'zel, I never took her out of my party before and honestly I hadn't quite gotten used to the combat so I relied heavily on her multiple heavy attacks to carry me... but in order to save both Yenna and Grub, I took her out of my party and waited for the reveal cutscene. And honestly it took me a long time to get her back because I had no idea what I was doing, but it was all worth it in the end, I learned to how to play without my babysitter Lae'zel, Yenna makes me some soup and Grub stays out of the soup 🥰
@@feesaylon7252 I read on reddit that someone checked with Grub before the scene and he could sense that she wasn't Yenna, so at least the poor baby didn't feel betrayed :c
I did this with astarion in my party but didn't get the "astarion approves" in the upper left corner, I think the game stops showing approval once you reach maximum approval.
Can we talk about how the poor cat --knowing Orin...she probably took Yennas form before killing him just so he died thinking she betrayed him...and Astarion is probably just trying to atone for gur kids he took to cazadorks
Orin took Halsin in my game. She exposed herself right after we just had 5some with the Drow twins too.... now i think i may have just have the snu snu with murdering mommy.
So... gortash said that one of my companions was a "traitor" or something like that. I see now that he was talking about lae'zel beeing orin. But for the entirety of act 3 I though Yenna was an enemy infiltrated on my camp lol
To save Yenna, have Gale, Laezel, and Halsin/Minthara the first time you go to sewers after u save her. To be safe, bring the three to meeting Gortash as well but I'm not sure if it's necessary. Also, I haven't been able to save Yenna in my runs cause I have a mod that lets me keep both Minthara and Halsin so Minthara is the one that appears.
Btw Yenna doesn’t just disappear. She DOES get kidnapped by Orin no matter who she kidnaps for u to save. And if you look around you can unfortunately find Yenna’s corpse.
No, that's not true. Yenna only dies if you fail the rolls to save her from whoever Orin is impersonating. Although if Orin is impersonating Yenna, then it's Grub who dies. But if you succeed in your rolls, Yenna gets a little traumatized, realizes that nowhere is really safe, and angrily declares she'll never let anyone threaten her again, before calming down and going back to serving soup. I really, really wanted to get Karlach to teach Yenna how to fight, but Larian never programmed that option in.
-Yenna is only supposed to disappear if she's the one taken instead of a companion. -She still disappears if you find out a companion was taken via finding Orin in the sewers, but that's a bug. -She will remain in your camp if you get the kidnap reveal camp scene.
I just realized something.....Yenna describes her mother's sickness as how your skin gets weird after you evolve....I'm thinking she got infected, went to Orin to sort it out, something went wrong turning her into a dopple, and Orin's next best idea was to go for the kid.....MAN do I hate this villain so much....
Somehow my game did not trigger having a shapeshifter at camp. Maybe because I visited the Dryad only after I killed Orin? Don't know. Next playthrough I hope to find out. Lae´Zel got kidnapped but there was no "replacement" for her, she just vanished. And Yenna was just Yenna all the time and stayed until the end.
Yeah, kid just disappeared from my game after I got to the Elfsong. The cat was still around though. And Orin was Lae'zel. Though I fully expected this scene to happen, it never did . . I wish the Orin scenes would have an insight check, cuz from the 2nd one it was always like, duhhhhhhhhhh.
I LOVE how many permutations this game has. Yenna is in Elfsong with me, post kidnap and everyone including her cat is safe and sound... but Volo disappeared for me and I haven't seen him since!
I suspected Yenna might be Orin because Orin had infiltrated my camp so many times. So, I I saved, and then took her out to see if she would change into Orin. She did not. And the Oath Breaker knight went right into attack mode. Interesting. When I let Yenna stay in my camp Orin took Gale as a pawn. Yenna never appeared again. Her cat stayed. Her great cooking skills provided four meals of vegetable soup. I thought I might adopt her, which is mildly sad, but maybe she found a foster home. She probably should have taken her cat with her rather than leaving it with me. *The world's smallest violin plays just for me at this moment*
Even if you save Orin's victim within the day she abducts your companion, (therefore skipping Yenna's implied death with the letter on a pool of blood) Yenna would still be gone. I'm pretty OP in my current playthrough cause I have the lvl 20 multiclass mod so I was able to sweep through her Netherstone immediately after arriving at Baldurs Gate at lvl 15. Still, she wasn't there.
Yenna only “disappears” if you dont make camp after gortash and immediately go into the sewers, it has nothing to do with the bloody note because yenna is still in my camp even after a few long rests
I was terrified that yenna was going to be orin in my first playthrough, then when I saw what she did to the others she impersonated I was glad she never did
Strange, when I gave her food I got a different reply from her, she said something about how her mum had left her some food but she ran out a while ago
Yenna is so cute, I accidentally killed her the first play through though because I thought she was Orin. She wasn’t. She was in my second play through
That's so weird, I didn't get Astarion's approval when I gave Yenna food nor did he say anything when Yenna asked to come to our camp. I wonder if it was a bug or something on my end
A lot of it depends on how his character progresses through the game. He tends to approve kind acts to the weak and downtrodden more if you show him support without judgement, help him through some of his trauma, and nudge him toward being good. If you indulge his worse instincts, he doesn't really grow.
oh that is interesting! my reveal of orin was actually the gith warrior trying to kill Yenna, saying she saw her shapeshift. So my quest now is to save the gith
am I the only one who thinks the scene with yenna and the scene with the refugees wanting to squat at that one guys place is a reference to the Dragon age origins?
Yenna died in my playthrough thanks to my shit rolling. Sadly no one reacted much. Wish they did it broke me heart losing her to Orin killing her while disguised as Lae'zel.
Ive always see ppl misunderstanding astarion's character, saying he's Unredeemable, a straight up monster and is pure villain coded.... as if they forget that this Is a role playing game and your decision/route + aproval rate has an effect of all their characters outcome...Like Acended astarion personality cannot co-exist on the same universe as a mellowed out Spawn Astarion, if you only got a 1 dimensional character out of him ever thought you did something wrong along the way and its not JUST hows he's written up? 😅 like these ppl dont give a shit about him, choosing all the dismissive dialogue option and its surprise astarion still doesnt like you and treats you with disdain 🙄 Like bruh the same type of people, they be defending their waifu , saying shes just a tsundere or whatever , yall be like "shes just misunderstood, shes like an onion she has a lot of layers to her, she has the best development i swear yada yada" lol yeah they ALL have have developments thats the point 😂
So hmm for me.... Orin took leazel 😂😂😂 and the cat and yenna are still in my camp.. e ^e but i did start another playthrough to correct some of the mistakes i made on the first
Whenever he's mean or rude to a child, I just imagine it's because he's trying to keep his own distance and convince himself that he dislikes them purely because seeing them reminds him of the children he brought back to Cazador. It's not that he hates them, it's that they just make him feel guilt.
Lore-wise, Astarion was an elf-child himself when he was taken. He was 39 when killed, but elves only reach cultural adulthood at 100 (they physically mature as fast as humans, but are not recognized as adults yet). He wouldn't even have his adult names yet, so "Astarion" would just be his parents calling him their little star.
@@FurTheWorkers he’s not a child and you’re weird for calling him that. He was an adult when he was turned, it’s just that since elves live a long time, elves have different concepts of stages of life. But in terms of actual age and biology, he is no different than an adult human
@@kstar1489 In elven society, he's not considered an adult. He's physically mature, but he's still socially a child. He's barely a third of the way to being a cultural adult. I don't know what you'd call that but a child.
@FurTheWorkers i guess it does make sense in a way since elves have a wide range of maturity so they would see under 100 or whatever the age as immature
I get the lore, but I gotta agree with @kstar1289 that equating him to a child is weird, and infantilizing him. He was a grown adult in every way except culturally. He literally had a job and everything. him being called "boy" isnt much different than when an 90 year old adult calls a 40yo a "boy", because comparatively they are a kid but technically they're an adult. we cant give elves humans a 1:1 comparison. culturally he was still a youth but in no way was he a kid.@@FurTheWorkers
"I don't care about her at all. Now come on, let's kill the bastard who took her and get her back. Not that I care."
Spike vibes
Astarion: (doesn't want Yenna)
Tav: (adopts Yenna anyway)
Astarion and Yenna two long rests later:
To be fair, the group isnt exactly safe. With danger present with them, before them, and behind them. I wouldnt encourage her to stay either.
I was so shocked when Astarion approved of me giving Yenna food. But it was a good shocked. Made me happy about how far he has come
He knows what it's like to be hungry.
But when she comes to camp he remarks "we have enough mangy strays already."
@@mako3197 ...okay, and?
@@mako3197i mean hes kinda right on that one
He disapproves when you give a beggar the higher option of money the game offers you to give her, at the front of the counting house or whatever the place with the vaults is called. I wonder why. I can speculate, but he’s kinda hard to predict sometimes and to pinpoint the specific reasons for his reactions.
Edit: I also recently found out that he approves of not helping Yenna to begin with.
Yenna, Arabella, Vanra... Astarion cared for every child we've met in my playthrough 😭 Sweet little star 🙏🌟
He kidnapped the gur children 😂
@@miaomiiao He had no choice at all. When a vampire orders a spawn they created to do something, they are compelled magically to comply, and the vampire lord can monitor them to some extent through that link. The most Astarion could sometimes do was try to fuck up so the victim gets away, but the last time he did that he was buried alive for a whole year as punishment.
Wait who is Vanra? I’ve saved everyone I can but I don’t remember that name
@@elenalizabeth think that's the child the hag goes after in the third act. She was kidnapped and the mom commissioned you to go find her
@@icyblue1409 oh ok, I did that quest (saved the kid from the hag) without realising I had to talk to the mother first. The kid just ran off so I assumed she was one of Mols orphan kids 🤷♀️ guess I miss out on that reward then
Astarion is a genuinely good guy. His story is a redemption story. I realized he was truly good when he was genuinely worried about Lae'zel while she was being "cleansed". He said "so the plan is we just leave her in their to die?!". He was shocked. He also likes Arabella and wanted me to make sure the kid the hag ate didn't die while fighting her. People can defend ascended Astarion all they want, but if you don't let him ascend he acknowledges that he wasn't himself right after killing Cazador and he smiles so big. He's a good guy.
Actually, ascended Astarion is only a path Astarion has the potential for from the start whether you ascend him or not depends on your choices during the ritual. Also, Neil explicitly said that AA is Astarion’s personality without needing to pretend in order to please someone else and feel safe. And at the same time, Astarion also has the potential for becoming what he ends up being in the end if you don’t ascend him, because it all entirely depends on where you nudge him towards. But the germs for both versions of him are in him from the moment you meet him, which means ascended Astarion and unascended Astarion are both true versions of him and neither of them is fake or less valid. And this debate seriously needs to end, because it’s simply dumb as hell. Ascend him if you want, don’t ascend him if you don’t and stop judging each other for what you choose to do 🙄
I’ve never seen this scene so I was actually getting really mad like “WHY ARE YOU BEING MEAN TO HER😡?!” But then I saw Orin and was like “oh”
Same!
Like I was about to get really mad, and then poof i have been bamboozled
They did well to not eat that meat.
Same I was getting sad seeing poor little Yenna being treated so badly, I was ready to put the video off.
I love that Yenna kid. She really hit my Dad reflex. I read that Orin could take her if you sleep too many nights and immediately started hunting Orin before that could happen (She took Laez but that cranky Gith knows how to handle herself)
In my game Yenna stayed as Yenna as I had already encountered Orin twice before (as a “dying guy” near the beach, and as “a journalist” near the bridge). So the Dryad at the circus was actually a Dryad for me too.
I think you can tell it’s Orin and not Yenna because the orange cat is dead at her feet
I remember finding arebella in yhe sewers and astarion was so concerned when he found her. Shows he really likes kids.
Yeah I had that interaction, too. It was wonderful seeing him so soft. For me he was also the one saying we needed to be careful in the second hag fight because just killing her would kill the child she ate. He said that fully unprompted. He really does care for children, he just tries to hide it.
@@NeverNatter Makes sense when you consider the type of person Cazador is... I could just imagine him going out of his way to force Astarion to hurt people he showed any softness towards. I really hope his 'sweet boy' really did get away.
@@ANPC-pi9vu oh yeah Astarion says that one time he tried to defy Cazador because his “target” that night was such a kind person, and as punishment Cazador locked Astarion in a tomb for a year.
@@NeverNatter yeah he said that in my fight too with the Hag too, and I was like “aww that’s cute he’s come so far from when we first met” (back at the start he would have been like “IDGAF who dies as long as it’s not me”)
What did Astarion say? I don't have that conversation....
Even though he says that we can't keep them in our camp, he doesn't disapproves, sooo
He's just a cat
I think he wants to scare them off for their safety, honestly.
The funny thing is Astarion is a huge cat person from what I've read
This is why I don't believe at all that Astarion, non-ascended, falls into the Evil alignment, which is what some people put him as. I'm 90% sure he's a Chaotic Neutral, he's definitely an agent of chaos but he's also not firmly Good or Evil, and instead is driven by his whims/self-interest, which is what Neutrals do. Astarion certainly does vary from being good (worried for Yenna and having a conscience over his role in the disappearing children in the city) and his usual tartness, so I think CN fits him perfectly.
Wait, people think as him as Evil? I though it was common for everyone to point him as CN too, he fits that alignment perfectly imo!
During Early Access, I was pretty convinced he was supposed to be Chaotic Evil, but not anymore. To be fair, Astarion, Lae'zel and Shadowheart were all toned down before release (for example, Astarion is much more sympathetic towards Mayrina now, when he used to laugh histerically at her misfortune), and also we didn't have all the acts so character development was limited.
Now, I agree that he is Chaotic Neutral, and I'd say at the end of the game he can even arguably be considered Chaotic Good if he doesn't ascend. Now, some might argue for Neutral Good at the end, but I think being chaotic is the only constant for him lol
Gurl what is with this hard copium 💀 He is an evil prick when you first meet him. I really like Astarion but he is an evil asshole through and through unless you help him see a better path.
@@gerardoalvarado8425what does he do that’s evil though? He just doesn’t like doing shit for free, he’s not like Minthara.
Doesn't he approve of you murdering the paralyzed tiefling in the shack?
It's a crime that no one's pointed out how fine your character is. Not enough people play Half-Orc chicks. I am mentally shaking your hand in solidarity rn, there are so few of us
yeah boii just finished my 1st playthrough as a half orc
It's like with female Roegadyn in FFXIV, not a lot of peeps play as them but they sure are popular
You should all play together and call yourselves "Mean Girls"
We definitely need companions' interacting with each other at camp.
Playing as an origin character, there is lot of unique camp dialogue.
At the tiefling party at my camp Laezel told me she wanted Astarion. I was so surprised by her 'The vampire looks particularly good to me.' I lol. I so wanted a scene of her hitting on him and his reaction.
@@MjollTheLioness-o4y for me it was Wyll, after I rejected her she was like "Chstk, I don't care. I'll take Wyll, he looks fine" xD
I remember how shocked and happy when Astarion approved of giving Yenna food, also when we found Arabella in act 3 he was the first to say something it's sweet
The cat is so cute 😢😢 it’s the only cat I’ve spoken to in the game that is timid / lacking confidence.
Spoiler: Orin can potentially kidnap Yenna. If she does, she cooks the cat as a soup. I was heartbroken and traumatised, reloaded and she took Laezel lol
I don't even tolerate cat abuse in a game either!!
No one hurts the cat! Did you get Orin? Orin must pay for her crimes
He reminds me of the cat from the American Tale series; big, orange dude
yes but if she takes anyone else it means that yenna is..well...not with you anymore
I thought Yenna was Orin and kept shooting firebolts at her (after tip-off from Gortash), then Laezel got kidnapped. I don't think it was Yenna she impersonated, sorry yen, my mistake :P
So i see a lot of these things about yenna getting kidnapped but she never did. Orin kidnapped Lae Zel in my playthrough and i talked to yenna like EVERY night so it isnt like i wasn't progressing her story. She made the best soup. Slurp happy.
In my one save she was kidnapped. The moment where its revealed is real freaky.
When one of your companions get kidnapped by Orin, Orin already kidnapped Yenna and was masquerading as her. If you found the sewers early she would leave with them both. And leaves the kitty alive. I'm playing the Dark Urge origin, so I'll he going after my mc's sister first. Yanno coz revenge.
@@CapucineNighly But i never got any yenna being impersonated cutscenes and i still have mr kitty. i also didnt go into the sewers until about half the way through the act 3 i did the entirety of the outside baldurs gate bit then i went and did the pidgeon sidequest/circus where i ran into orin. went and did the open hand thing trying to find evidence. oh wait that leads you to the sewers with the shapeshifters. huh. guess i did go to the sewers.
He also approved when i agreed to find Vanra, the kid stolen by Auntie Ethel. Not sure if he looked forward to killing her or to save a kid or both, but it was a pleasant surprise
Yeah, he kept saying in the fight to not kill Ethel otherwise the kid would die.
when you’re playing a good Tav and convince him not to ascend, the changes in him are massive as he finally has someone who showed him power is not everything.
I got approval from him for comforting Vanra after she got puked up. This was before we confronted Cazador, too, so if it's variable it's based on something else.
Welp. I already killed Auntie Ethel on accident trying to save Mayrina. Didn't realize non lethal hits don't apply to ranged 😬
@@Orion_TheyThemeven if you kill her in act 1 she comes back anyway
Thanks to this clip, my headcanon now is that my Tav and Astarion eventually decide to adopt Yenna as their own- Yennefer/Geralt/Ciri vibes 😂
Yenna always gets taken by Orin in my playthroughs. I have no idea why she never takes anybody else. Ive never had any of these interactions -- I'd assumed she existed to take the place of a companion when kidnapped if you werent close enough to any of the possible choices.
I think Orin only ever takes Lae'zel, Gale, and Halsin/Minthara. If u have them all in ur party she takes Yenna instead
Well Orin takes Yenna unless you have laezel in your party. If ever you do have laezel, Orin can still take yenna if you have gale and Halsin/minthra. But let’s say you only have laezel, then it can be Halsin or Gale. Yenna will still be in the camp but not much to talk other than the fact she still there. Laezel is important on your party because she is the one that catches “Yenna” in the camp. So if you don’t want Yenna to be caught, you just gotta roam with laezel in your party until someone else is caught.
After picking Yenna, don't do long rest and go to sewers, Orin will interact with you in sewers, after that you won't see Yenna ever again in your camp but kitty will stay in your camp and live
My first and she took lazael, im completely fine with it but the problem is Yenna disappeared too :((
@@ladymaria5921 I did several long rests after Yenna came to the camp and Orin kidnapped lazael while Yenna still disappeared. It is a bug not feature.
"Not that I care, it's just that I care so much and my unbeating heart is breaking in my chest as we speak and what if the little urchin kid gets hurt oh my god oh my god we must be heroes and rescue this poor innocent child."
i always feel so proud of astarion by act 3, dude really needed the power of love and friendship to help him frfr
1:48 "She might come later... I don't think she's coming." :(
I love the socially awkward cat
He also approves of you being nice to the child's brain in moonlight towers. 🥺
Omg what a softie. Yenna's in my camp right now but I didn’t talk to her before a long rest, so I'll do that tonight. Glad I watched this!
;-;
@@GeorgeWashingtonLaserMusket What do you mean that you can save her but friend is tortured for a bit? isn't she a fake from the start?
@@michasokoowski6651 she's not.
Orin can replace (and kidnap) her, while killing the cat;
Replace Halsin (while killing Yenna)
Replace Gale (while killing Yenna)
Replace Laezel, then take a knife to her neck saying that Yenna is shapeshifter. If you see through fake Laezel, you can save Yenna. But Lae still gets kidnapped.
@@seeinred Oh, I'm kinda at this part. Laezel has been kidnapped and Yenna is gone. I never got some of these cutscenes though...
@@sgxthachits bugged out. Yenna gets flagged to despawn and laezel gets kidnapped but canonically yenna is still alive since her cat doesn't mention anything
Weird. I never had these interactions with Yenna. She was always just gone for some reason and the cat was still there.
I think Astarion cares in general for Children. He was also worried about the Child in the second fight against the Hag
3:10 This turned into a horror game real quick 😳
It was always a horror series. Bhaal symbol was on the front cover, first cutscene was a Darth Vader looking motherfucker annihilating a knight offba building.
Pretty well-designed scene, scared me a bit
idk I thought it felt like a horror game for all of Act 2
Awww I'm sad I missed this. Halsin was the one who got kidnapped for me but Yenna just disappeared anyways. And then Halsin disappeared after I rescued him lol. Guess I took too long 💀
Yenna "disappears" because when orin delivers her letters with a pool of blood, it means she killed someone in your camp to do so.
@@JPXtorsionwait what ? That's what's happening ? Oh my 💀💀💀💀
@@JPXtorsionReally? I’ve had two bloody letters but everyone is fine. I also buy Yenna’s soup almost every night
@@obsidiangarbage6741 I’m afraid to say anything and cause spoilers haha
@@JPXtorsionits only if you go to the sewers before you make camp after gortash, i had that happened, yenna was gone and she took leazel, had to reload so i could save yenna in the camp cutscene 😢
I'm never letting Yenna in my camp again after finding out the cat dies
Grub the cat is alive in my save file even after Orin did what she did...
So the next morning I wanted to give Grub a funeral but my character had a strength of 8, so instead... as messed up as it is but I promise it has a good ending...I chucked the cat's body across the camp to get it closer to Lazeal so she could pick it up. (In my mind she would take it, not get encumbered and we would find a spot for him)
Strangest thing happened though, after I threw it it sorta splattered in the ground and (somehow????) fully healed itself and was brought back to life. Grub doesn't talk anymore but he IS alive and is just vibing in camp now. I like to think of him as Astarion's pet vampire/zombie cat now :)
that is one hell of a glitch you had there
OH MY GOD this got crazier with each sentence
I kept waiting for Yenna to be Orin in disguise. But I guess since there is some weird mechanic which NPCs are Orin until they suddenly aren't, and I have no idea how the game chooses the kidnapped character, Yenna ended up just repeating one line in my camp.
Cat Fact: The reason Cats go off to be alone when they sense their gonna die is to be in a safe place, calm down, and protect their bodies from larger predators.
So Grub was actually spitting cat facts. Also I would die for that little scaredy cat!
3:30
"not that I care! b-b-baka!"
I knew there was a reason I like him so much.
On my first play-through I learned about Orin kidnapping one of our companions and I learned that pretty much the only way to guarantee both Yenna and Grub live is to ensure Orin kidnaps Lae'zel. Now I loved Lae'zel, I never took her out of my party before and honestly I hadn't quite gotten used to the combat so I relied heavily on her multiple heavy attacks to carry me... but in order to save both Yenna and Grub, I took her out of my party and waited for the reveal cutscene. And honestly it took me a long time to get her back because I had no idea what I was doing, but it was all worth it in the end, I learned to how to play without my babysitter Lae'zel, Yenna makes me some soup and Grub stays out of the soup 🥰
Everything went better than expected (/ jk)
not grub becoming grub T-T I'm so glad Orin took somebody else, this is so sad
😭 He must have been so confused and scared as to why 'Yenna' was hurting him too
Stop that’s making me so sad :((( I dislike seeing animals hurt, even in video games lmao
@@feesaylon7252 I read on reddit that someone checked with Grub before the scene and he could sense that she wasn't Yenna, so at least the poor baby didn't feel betrayed :c
@@rociohernandez3077 Oh thank god. It's not great, but it's a little better at least
"Not that I care" 3:24 - oh Astarion
protect grub at all costs
I did this with astarion in my party but didn't get the "astarion approves" in the upper left corner, I think the game stops showing approval once you reach maximum approval.
Nooooo she fucking kills the adorable cat?????
animals and respectful kids he approves.
Can we talk about how the poor cat --knowing Orin...she probably took Yennas form before killing him just so he died thinking she betrayed him...and Astarion is probably just trying to atone for gur kids he took to cazadorks
Rangers have a dialogue choice that implies the mom actually just abandoned the child.
Orin took Halsin in my game. She exposed herself right after we just had 5some with the Drow twins too.... now i think i may have just have the snu snu with murdering mommy.
So... gortash said that one of my companions was a "traitor" or something like that. I see now that he was talking about lae'zel beeing orin. But for the entirety of act 3 I though Yenna was an enemy infiltrated on my camp lol
I wrote that comment before finishing the video LOL
Dude what... I've got like 400 hours in this game and never once have I seen these interactions, Orin always takes Lae'zel!
Awwwwwaaaa. Such a sweetie under it all. It all being his trauma.
To save Yenna, have Gale, Laezel, and Halsin/Minthara the first time you go to sewers after u save her.
To be safe, bring the three to meeting Gortash as well but I'm not sure if it's necessary.
Also, I haven't been able to save Yenna in my runs cause I have a mod that lets me keep both Minthara and Halsin so Minthara is the one that appears.
The guide I read said Astarian hates helping people but I guess the guide was wrong.
I guess he feels remorseful for all the children he kidnapped for Cazador
Astarion be like: Give her as much money as she needs, just don't invite her to our camp...
@@michasokoowski6651 LOL! I can respect that.
@@KECKOB920 That I didn’t know. I just got Balder’s Gate 3 and I haven’t gotten past the beginning.
@@michasokoowski6651 He fears he might not be able to resist his... appetites.
Well damn, wasn’t expecting that transformation. I haven’t played this game yet
I NEVER HAD A SCENE WITH YENNA COOKING, OMG.
He says mean stuff but i see that approval rating. He’s a softy for kids and animals
... Orin killed the cat!?
That neck snap... I want to make it louder.
I kept turning her away because I saw what happens to Grub is Yenna is taken 😢 poor kitty
headcannon tav and astarion adopt yenna at the end of the game. i will not accept any criticism
Tsundere Astarion
Btw Yenna doesn’t just disappear. She DOES get kidnapped by Orin no matter who she kidnaps for u to save. And if you look around you can unfortunately find Yenna’s corpse.
No, that's not true. Yenna only dies if you fail the rolls to save her from whoever Orin is impersonating. Although if Orin is impersonating Yenna, then it's Grub who dies.
But if you succeed in your rolls, Yenna gets a little traumatized, realizes that nowhere is really safe, and angrily declares she'll never let anyone threaten her again, before calming down and going back to serving soup. I really, really wanted to get Karlach to teach Yenna how to fight, but Larian never programmed that option in.
This is blatantly untrue lol
Thanks for spoiling🙄
-Yenna is only supposed to disappear if she's the one taken instead of a companion.
-She still disappears if you find out a companion was taken via finding Orin in the sewers, but that's a bug.
-She will remain in your camp if you get the kidnap reveal camp scene.
when this happened I feel like I fell in love with him all over again TvT
Poor thing, imagine what was going through his head when cazador compelled him to kidnap the gur children, thats so vile, poor trauma baby 😢
I just realized something.....Yenna describes her mother's sickness as how your skin gets weird after you evolve....I'm thinking she got infected, went to Orin to sort it out, something went wrong turning her into a dopple, and Orin's next best idea was to go for the kid.....MAN do I hate this villain so much....
Somehow my game did not trigger having a shapeshifter at camp. Maybe because I visited the Dryad only after I killed Orin? Don't know. Next playthrough I hope to find out. Lae´Zel got kidnapped but there was no "replacement" for her, she just vanished. And Yenna was just Yenna all the time and stayed until the end.
Yeah, kid just disappeared from my game after I got to the Elfsong. The cat was still around though. And Orin was Lae'zel. Though I fully expected this scene to happen, it never did . . I wish the Orin scenes would have an insight check, cuz from the 2nd one it was always like, duhhhhhhhhhh.
I LOVE how many permutations this game has. Yenna is in Elfsong with me, post kidnap and everyone including her cat is safe and sound... but Volo disappeared for me and I haven't seen him since!
he is so cute
After saving Yenna, she said that she wanted to go home. I thought she was going to her actual home but she meant camp! SO PRECIOUS!
what a rollercoaster; first I was saddened and then very scared
" [foreshadowing]" 100%
half orc slay
I suspected Yenna might be Orin because Orin had infiltrated my camp so many times. So, I I saved, and then took her out to see if she would change into Orin. She did not. And the Oath Breaker knight went right into attack mode. Interesting. When I let Yenna stay in my camp Orin took Gale as a pawn. Yenna never appeared again. Her cat stayed. Her great cooking skills provided four meals of vegetable soup. I thought I might adopt her, which is mildly sad, but maybe she found a foster home. She probably should have taken her cat with her rather than leaving it with me. *The world's smallest violin plays just for me at this moment*
It's actually a bug. She's meant to stay. They're working on it, I think.
Even if you save Orin's victim within the day she abducts your companion, (therefore skipping Yenna's implied death with the letter on a pool of blood) Yenna would still be gone.
I'm pretty OP in my current playthrough cause I have the lvl 20 multiclass mod so I was able to sweep through her Netherstone immediately after arriving at Baldurs Gate at lvl 15. Still, she wasn't there.
Ah, you got the UnlockLevelCurve. Wise choice.
Yenna only “disappears” if you dont make camp after gortash and immediately go into the sewers, it has nothing to do with the bloody note because yenna is still in my camp even after a few long rests
please do not the cat
In my first play through, Lae’zel got taken by Orin but Yenna also disappeared. I hope things turn out differently in my next play through
that's a glitch.
@@Jawf94 yeah, I assumed so, this time Yenna didn’t disappear so I’m guessing whatever caused it last time was fixed
I've done two playthroughs and I've never gotten a scene where Yenna cooks. She's just stood there and did nothing the whole time.
I was terrified that yenna was going to be orin in my first playthrough, then when I saw what she did to the others she impersonated I was glad she never did
i never got the interaction where she actually gives you stuff she just kept repeating the same stuff over and over.
1.10.23 I KNEW HE HAS A HEART!
Strange, when I gave her food I got a different reply from her, she said something about how her mum had left her some food but she ran out a while ago
RIP cat
you know when you show off a scene in particular, maybe dont skip through the dialogue
I love this maaaan
Yenna has just disappeared from my camp with some blood in her old spot, Orin hasn't said anything to me about it. 😅
Yenna is so cute, I accidentally killed her the first play through though because I thought she was Orin. She wasn’t. She was in my second play through
That's so weird, I didn't get Astarion's approval when I gave Yenna food nor did he say anything when Yenna asked to come to our camp. I wonder if it was a bug or something on my end
A lot of it depends on how his character progresses through the game. He tends to approve kind acts to the weak and downtrodden more if you show him support without judgement, help him through some of his trauma, and nudge him toward being good.
If you indulge his worse instincts, he doesn't really grow.
Only one party member comments on yenna staying
Is your approval too high? I stopped seeing approval because I’m maxxed out which sucks because I miss out on these types of things
oh that is interesting! my reveal of orin was actually the gith warrior trying to kill Yenna, saying she saw her shapeshift. So my quest now is to save the gith
I thought I was the only one who had the Fuzzy Hair and messed up skin bug, good to know it isn't just me lol
Its weird how she is forgotten in the epilogue... not even a letter from her
am I the only one who thinks the scene with yenna and the scene with the refugees wanting to squat at that one guys place is a reference to the Dragon age origins?
My game bugged out and I didn't get any orin cutscenes in camp, one day yenna and lay'zel both just dissapeared 😢
Yenna died in my playthrough thanks to my shit rolling. Sadly no one reacted much. Wish they did it broke me heart losing her to Orin killing her while disguised as Lae'zel.
This girl straight up disappeared from my camp at one point and idk what happened or if I was supposed to do something or what
I’m afraid to help this kid I am the dark urge what if I can’t control it what if I loose control again
Well now I have to speed through act 2 so I can get to Yenna and her cat
Yenna dissapeared from my camp, same time that Gale was taken by Orin... Sadly I didn't find her back :(
So if Orin takes Laezel, does that mean Yenna is not Orin? She took Laezel in my play through but Yenna is just gone now. Grub is still there, though.
It's a bug. When your companion gets captured, Yenna is still flagged to despawn for some reason, even if she's not the shapeshifter.
@ayanhart it might be a pc issue because I'm playing it on ps5 and she has remained in my camp
Ive always see ppl misunderstanding astarion's character, saying he's Unredeemable, a straight up monster and is pure villain coded.... as if they forget that this Is a role playing game and your decision/route + aproval rate has an effect of all their characters outcome...Like Acended astarion personality cannot co-exist on the same universe as a mellowed out Spawn Astarion, if you only got a 1 dimensional character out of him ever thought you did something wrong along the way and its not JUST hows he's written up? 😅 like these ppl dont give a shit about him, choosing all the dismissive dialogue option and its surprise astarion still doesnt like you and treats you with disdain 🙄
Like bruh the same type of people, they be defending their waifu , saying shes just a tsundere or whatever , yall be like "shes just misunderstood, shes like an onion she has a lot of layers to her, she has the best development i swear yada yada" lol yeah they ALL have have developments thats the point 😂
Is yenna's story different for everyone? My yenna told a different story..
Think there's a bug or glitch cause there was a time I saved Yenna from a certain psycho then she just disappears anyway?
Like wtf.
I had yenna in my camp but Orin took lae'zel instead 😅 at least I still have karlach for a tanky companion
😂 the cat 😂
Aww
So hmm for me....
Orin took leazel 😂😂😂 and the cat and yenna are still in my camp.. e ^e but i did start another playthrough to correct some of the mistakes i made on the first
wow your orcish lady look cool af.