Should you buy an Orbea Wild? | Orbea Wild 2023 Review
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- čas přidán 2. 06. 2024
- Should you buy an Orbea Wild in 2023?
With it's lightweight frame and it's full- fat capabilities, is the Orbea Wild the must have EMBT of 2023? Does it shatter all competition? Is there a need for a lighter-weight, less powerful EMTB anymore? In today's video we share our personal hands on experience with the Orbea Wild in an effort to help you decide wether you need one or not.
TIMESTAMPS
00:00 Intro
00:15 What's Changed?
02:20 What's with the weight?
04:00 Our Thoughts
05:09 Is it right for you?
06:53 Which one should you buy?
07:46 Conclusion
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H10 is 26kg aka 57.3 lbs. Wild M team is approximately 23.7 kg /52.2 lbs.
nice review, i am in the market for a new EMTB i have owned the Turbo Levo S works and liked the bike but i had a few problems with the motor and electronics. Specialized took care of all issues and never had a question. but there was significant down time, and the pain in the ass taking it to service back and forth. I am looking at the Pivot Team AM as well and the Santa Cruz cc spec. I am a large man XL size and wondered if you had reviewed the other bikes i have mentioned. thank yo and keep up the good work!
Hi, thanks for your comment and taking time to watch our video. I feel your pain regarding the Levo, there were significant issues with the motors on the Levo for a while (which now seem to be fixed), the downtime must have been infuriating. Unfortunately, I have not had a chance to ride either the Pivot or Santa Cruz, but I hear good things about the Pivot. If I do get a chance to ride either, I will get a video online. All the best Jason
I've got a customized M10 on order, can't wait! I have an Ibis Oso now, and it's good, but not as good as the Wild in the chunky tech that we have a lot of here in Phoenix. I place the order the first week of October and the ETA is mid-January, but probably sooner than that. Can't wait!
Thanks for getting in touch. The M10 is a seriously nice piece of kit. I am sure you are going to enjoy it immensely. It's well worth the wait!
Bonjour merci pour cette vidéo 👍👍👍👌.
Je n' ai jamais eu de carbone , es t il confortable a roulé et pas trop physique pour un pilote moyen ??
Thanks guys, great video ! Very insightful. Trying to decide between the Orbea Wild H10 or the Canyon Strive:On CFR, with carbon frame, Fox 38 Preformance Elite, Fox X2 and XT brakes, at 5.550€ with a 750 hW battery. It's great value, but not sure about choosing a direct to consumer brand on an ebike... The alternative will be the Orbea Wild H10 at 6.000€ . Any thoughts?!
Hi, thanks a lot for your question and for watching our videos. As someone with a retail store my answer is always going to be biased away from a direct-to-customer brand. Although more expensive, a good retail store should provide you back-up and service that can't be provided by direct to consumer brand. Plus you get to touch, feel, ride several bikes to help you chose the right bike.
However, my retail-bias aside, I would personally go for the Wild H10. The Strive:On is undoubtedly a well spec'd bike and the reviews (admittedly, I have never ridden one) are universally positive, although some have found getting the rear suspension set up tricky. However, sometimes a bike is more than the sum of its parts and the 2023 Wild seems to be that bike, I along with countless other reviewers were blown away by its ability to combine the qualities of capability, versatility and outright fun. Traditionally carbon bikes are both lighter and stiffer than their alloy counterparts, however, the H10 benefits from additional stiffness by fitting the frame permanently in the frame, this also reduces the weight, so both bikes will be very similar in both regards (although dropping the alloy one is less of a concern ;-) )
So, quite a long-winded response, but ultimately they are both excellent bikes and you couldn't go wrong with either. Also, there are quite a few sales on at the moment, so you can probably get a bargain on an H10.
Inability to remove battery is a no go for me. I travel to bike often, and can’t see myself lugging the bike up to the hotel room or apartment every night to charge it. Pity though as bikes look great
Hi Nicola, thanks for watching and taking the time to comment. I totally see your point, unfortunately the permanent nature of the battery was always going to be an unworkable compromise for some riders, particularly those like yourself, who travel with their ebike. If you're looking for a lighter-weight alternative with a removable battery, the Focus Jam2 SL, the Merida E160 and the Haibike Lyke are worth a look. Jason
What's the weight on the H10? Really interested in it. Do u guys reccomend "sizing down" on an ebike as the weight already adds stability, the shorter bike can add agility?
Thanks for getting in touch. We don't have an H10 in stock to weigh, but I will track down the weight stats and get back to you. In terms of sizing down, it really depends on the characteristics you are looking for. Specialized ditched traditional frame sizing (i.e. S,M,L etc) on their mountain bikes some time back to give riders the option of sizing up or down based on the characteristics they are after. Orbea are now starting to follow suit. As you say, ebikes tend to be incredibly stable because of the extra weight, so if you wanted to throw the bike about more and for the bike to be more agile then yes, size down. Thanks for watching and commenting.
Thanks for the info
@@ebikecentre I found out the weight is 25.7kg out the box 👍
I have a Rise and I've ordered a Wild LTD. Ya, I know, not the recommended build, but I wanted to splurge on this bike.
Both fantastic bikes that I’m sure you’ll enjoy! I think you made a great decision. Let us know how you find it ⚡️
I’m going to order the 2024 M-Team model in September, for November delivery? as I can’t get the current 2023 model. I’ve been told they haven’t changed. Please could I ask for your advice? This is my very first e-bike. I intend to store it in my garden shed. Is that safe & ok with the extremes of hot and cold temperatures?? Thank you. I’ve liked and subscribed to your channel. 👍
@@BigChrisD1965 I would store it in your house during the winter. That's what I do with my current Rise e-bike. Also, I don't know if you can get a Wild in November when ordered in September. Unless you're talking next year. When I go to the Orbea website now, the ship dates are all August 2024.
If your local bike shop has the bike on pre-order its "possible" to get it towards the end of the year, but they will be few and far between. We're showing Aug 24 delivery on S,M&XL bikes ordered now and Jan 24 on Large frames. My understanding is that there will be very little, if any, changes between 23 & 24 models. The bike is fine in the shed but as @BigChrisD1965 says it needs to stay inside if the temperatures are set to drop below freezing. The bike is fine to ride in sub-zero temperatures (although your range will be considerably reduced at these temps) but the L-ion batteries don't like to be stored at these temps.
go for it !
I am considering purchasing my first emtb and was sold on the 2023 Wild M10 based on the reviews, details and amount of people supporting the product. I noticed that the 2022 Wild FS M-Team is extremely discounted to $7,199 and was wondering if you think this would be a better purchase based on the pricing and parts?
The 2022 is a wildly different bike. It’s not nearly as good.
@@ian-if4ug Thank you for taking the time to respond, I really appreciate it! I’ll definitely go for the 2023 Wild. Any other recommendations would be appreciated.
Hi, I would echo @ian-if4ug 's sentiments. The new Wild is a far better bike to ride, the frame geometry and riding feel is superior. One thing to consider is that (although expensive) you can always upgrade components at a later date, changing the frame is (particularly) with ebikes isn't really an option. Thanks for taking the time to watch our video. Jason
Totally agree with this.
@@ebikecentre @user-fp6wx7qz4m As a middle aged rider purchasing my first emtb is the Wild M10 worth the money or is the H10 sufficient. Not sure if the extra money and weight makes that much of a difference.
Where do you get all the money ?
When you're walking down the street and you see a bike like this, think it's yours and that's it...
nice bike, but non-removable battery easily disqualifies it for me and a lot of my friends... :(
meanwhile Levo FTW !
I bought the Orbea Wild H20 two months ago after reading watching rave videos on CZcams, the last bike I bought after CZcams endorsement was the entry model Specialized Turbo Levo which I loved (2019) - got stolen!
My concern is that the Ebike brands are soliciting paid reviews of their top, most expensive models from the popular CZcams channels, tellingly these paid reviews all come out at the same time, literally. There is a big problem with this platform - the reviews profusely embellish the super expensive bikes (some of which may be true of course), however, ordinary joe like me are much more likely to buy the entry level bikes in the hope that they ride very similar to the top models. EMTB - ordinary joe/jane - middle aged with kids, short on time, relatively new to or returned to biking, investing oversized sum to feed his/her hobby.
None of the top earning channels review the entry level bikes, nor do they actually say anything negative because of the conflict of interest. Hence, it is not clear, who is this bike for? The beginner, or the pro downhill enduro ace? We hear far too many numbers - so many millimetres or angles this and that (chain stay, BB, reach etc.) and not enough about how they ride and whether these bikes are value for money? Hence, the CZcams channels are complicit in letting the industry get away with hastily thrown together lower end bikes that are seriously flawed, and still demand thousands of dollars/pounds/euros!
My view after 2 month ownership is a degree of disappointment. The H20 is a monster truck, way too heavy, I did not expect that given that the top product is 20.8Kg! This is a major problem for intermediate/ early biker. The sheer weight detracts from being able to jump, turn, develop skill, and the poor fork/suspension platform can only described as dull and lacklustre. The internal battery and the ridiculous complicated headset with internal cables is just nuts. Importantly - this is a front heavy bike, much more noticeable in my size small bike with big 750 battery taking up the whole length of the down tube. It is difficult to convince this bike to jump (more speed, more hop) and then control the tendency of front end dipping. Why oh why do I have to spend several thousand of hard earned cash to bring it up to speed? Should I really even try to bring the weight down - not possible.
The result is that 2 months down the line, I am desperately trying to sell the bike and buy a Specialized - the market, as it is, I can't even get half price for a 2 month old bike.
I do not believe the Orbea Wild 2023 Alloy models are value for money - period. It turns out, all the R&D went in to developing the carbon race winning models. There is a unhealthy collusion between industry and channels/social platforms that promote these bikes - it makes it impossible to get an honest view of products that are more expensive than the cars we drive.
Hi, thanks a lot for watching our videos and sharing your experience of your Wild H20.
Firstly, just to clarify, we have never been paid nor incentivised in any way to review or endorse any of the bikes reviewed on our channel. Every bike has been ridden by myself and my opinions are mine only and not influenced by any third party. I don't doubt that there are reviewers being paid / incentivised by brands to leave positive reviews, but we are not one of them.
I completely understand your frustrations that is is nearly always top spec bikes, rather than the entry level options, being reviewed. It is a conversation I have had with others on this channel. The demonstration bikes that are lent to reviewers are chosen by the manufacturer, not the reviewer, and of course the manufacturers want to impress and show case their top-end bikes. We were lent the M10 which is the mid-spec of their carbon range, which I loved. However, since posting this video, I have now ridden the H20. The M10 is undoubtedly a better riding bike than the H20, the forks and suspension being the most noticeable difference between the two bikes, there is also a difference in the ride due to carbon/alloy frame in terms of stiffness and weight distribution. However, I would say that the differences between the alloy and carbon frame were no way near as noticeable as the difference between the RockShox 35 and Fox 38 forks. In my opinion the underpinning frame and geometry is still very good on both the alloy and carbon version, the thing letting the H20 down is the fork & shock.
You are correct that most manufacturers do cut costs by fitting lower quality forks on their entry level bikes. We also find this frustrating, particularly when they fit coil sprung forks (not in this case) to eMTBs. The RockShox 35s are not a "bad" fork, but they are really aimed at novice eMTB riders (which it sounds like you are not) a much better fork for not a great deal more money is the RockShox Domain. It's a shame the penny pinchers at Orbea HQ didn't stump up the extra for the Domains.
In terms of its comparison to your old Levo, a lot of this will be subjective and based on your own riding preferences. The Levo is also an excellent bike so I am not surprised that you miss it. Unless I am mistaken, the 2019 entry Levo was fitted with a 500wh battery. This smaller battery will account for (roughly) a 1.5kg weight saving vs the 750wh on the Wild. I have not ridden a small framed Wild, but given this big 750wh battery will need to be squeezed in to a smaller frame it may well upset the handling.
I am sorry to hear that you are not a fan of your Wild, I do think a fork upgrade will vastly improve it handling characteristics, but I do appreciate that this is another expense on what is already an expensive bike. If you can find someone to lend you a fork to try, or find a decent second hand option on eBay, this may be a cheaper option than taking a hit selling your bike and buying another Levo. Either way, I hope that you find a solution that brings more joy back to your riding.
Thanks again for taking the time to comment. All the best Jason
Thanks Jason for taking the time to explore my particular dilemma. I really appreciate your detailed and helpful comments. @@ebikecentre
Thanks Jason, your response was very helpful in distilling the following:
Orbea Wild vs Specialised Turbo levo
These are two different concept bikes. The new Orbea Wild has been developed to win Enduro races - chunky, rough, downhill terrain, this is its DNA. 'Gnarly' terrain would favour the Wild, its frame is rock solid and made for a beating. It is hugely planted and stable.
Specialized is a jack of all trades with its flip chip and flippable geometry. So, what kind of terrain are you going to be riding on 60-70% of the time, and what is your skill level? If you are a beginner and have man made flow trails/cross country that are most accessible, - then think Specialized.
My journey:
I have now decided to stick it out with the Orbea. I was so upset initially, that I bought a Specialized Turbo Levo Comp Alloy (mentioned above on sale for approx 4400 USD) on my credit card, but common sense has prevailed. The component spec on the Comp Alloy are superior to entry level Orbea, on sale the Comp Alloy was cheaper. I am sure I spied a tear or two when I cancelled my order for the cobalt blue and silver Specialized 2022. I cannot afford the heavy loss of selling in this market and buying again.
I am going to be very careful setting up the suspension as is, make it as best as I can (tokens/sag/rebound/compression). I will be on the look out in the coming months for upgrade components (expensive stuff fork, smaller battery - even 500wh, trails I ride are next door) (less expensive, lighter tubeless tyres, riser carbon handle bar). The process of falling back in love with my bike ( a bit like when aged 8 my parents bought me my first proper bike) has truly begun. Now that there is clarity and enough info, I can look to the future.....
nice ad. I can't find ONE review of the 2022, yet there are dozens of the 2023. I'm searching for 2022 reviews because it seems they are blowing out 2022 ebikes with old outdated motors, not listing the specs, and hiding any picture of it in the one picture they show of the bike listings. I found one 45 second video that shows the left side of the motor for 2 seconds, and it looks like a pre-cx model...even though it says performance cx.
It's the same motor and suspension on the 2022
Hi, as mentioned below, the it is the same Performance Line CX motor underpining both the 2023 & 2022. The only difference is that the 2023 model has Smart System compatibility and the option of a 750 battery. The 2022 is a still a very good bike, if I'm honest I do prefer the 23, but if you can bag yourself a bargain the 2022 version is still an excellent bike (I would recommend a carbon version, if your budget allows). Thanks for taking the time to watch the video and comment.
Thanks for your comment. Jason
I have the Orbea Rise M10 , I had the Wild FS , I wouldn’t swap my Rise for another bike , it’s amazing, it climbs just as well as the Wild the only drawback of the Rise is the range but I just ride for less time so it’s not even a negative point it’s a 10/10 from me 🎉