Buu is clearing that tournament if he enters they had to get rid of him. Not a good reason cause its their fault hes as busted as he is but im sure thats the reason they didn't have him be in the tournament
It was though Buu would have soloed the Universe 6 one, ToP on the other hand he would have lost to either Toppo or Jiren, but he would have made it to the end. It shows how bad the writers were and I'm throwing Toyotaro and Toriyama in there as well. Yeah Buu is busted, but if you didn't have a legit way for him to lose, then maybe he shouldn't.
Buu did one thing Merge Zamasu couldn't. He killed everyone on earth with 1 move. While Merge Zamasu is still trying to find the rest of the humans hiding.
But Super nerf Everyone Except Goku n Vegeta hopefully we get a time skip or while the manga focuses on the main two characters the rest of characters should be training that way when Goku n Vegeta comes bac to earth it would be easier to transition the focus to another character
@@fazygamer243 I didn't mean it that way. I meant the way they would not have Fat Buu train not to get the Super Buu or Kid Buu forms, but to find his own path of power.
I love kid buu, his unpredictable psychotic behavior is the best thing about him along with the destruction he brings upon everything when he blows up earth and the other planets he visits afterwards.
@@DeeMulaah kid buu is an alteration of majin buu all of is evil in one place which is why he is separate from “majin buu” have you not watched that saga or the last fight when Hercules is cuddled up with majin buu In a corner?
@@guy-mp9bw Yeah that's not what we're talking about We're talking about 2 different names for specifically Kid Buu Not the difference between Majin Buu and Kid Buu
I like Super Buu because he has the same "doing this all because I can" motive but more grounded in sanity or logic To which, I also appreciate kid buu being the same exact motive but he doesn't care for rhyme and reason. No more negotiations or strategy, just chaos.
As a huge Majin Buu fan, it still frustrates me to my very core to this day whenever I think about all the massive potential Buu had in dbs that was completely wasted. Hell, with all the involvement relating to Buu in the dbs arcs, he should’ve been involved in every single arc. His relation with Beerus and how he nearly killed him and shut down Whis all by himself, Frieza being warned of Buu from King Cold, dealing with a twin universe that may have their own Buu, trunks’ success in preventing Majin Buu leading to an even greater threat in goku black ruining his timeline, universe 6 bringing their own Buu to fight U7 Buu, the Grand Kai in his body meeting with Beerus and shin again after multiple millennia of being absorbed. I could go on but I’d just go on a rant again so I’ll stop here.
@@jeremiahbennett3004 He just gets one fight where Buu really shouldn’t stand a chance if you really think about it but while it was nice to see, much like the t.o.p, it lasts too short and Buu is put to sleep again, leaving him out for the rest of the arc until that plot convenient ending.
Buu only needed 5 seconds of sleep in Z so it makes no sense why he slept through the tournament but if you think about it Buu is broken as heck. He can regenerate from pretty much complete obliteration, absorb others, change others, he can even heal others lmao would have been toooo easy to win!!
The problem with super is it tried too hard to go back to the comedy roots of OG dragonball but sacrifices the competence and growth of all the characters that happened in late dragonball and z by making everyone into an idiot. This is becoming a more common issue across media altogether these days where they take characters that were serious and competent and turning them into bumbling idiots for a cheap laugh. For example Thor over the course of the marvel movies, or Han solo.
Thor 1, and 2 were fkin boring. It was the right decision to make him less shit then him being complete shit. Han solo on the otherhand idc. Star wars sucks.
Its more of the fact they ran out of material in the 90s. They've taken the sayian crap as far as it could go. its so in your face obvious they have to rehash old story lines, tournament's' ...tournament' of power!,time travel with trunks, king kai goku dynamic =beerus/ whis-ky
Kid Buu was the guy who scared me when I was little watching dbz, even when he danced during Goku's fight I was terrified noticing how he was really just playing around with everyone's life. The fact that he's pure evil by absorbing negative energy too is a pretty cool and interesting concept, I wanted to see more of him honestly
But Super Buu is a better character. Kid Buu is a menace but Super buu is stronger and more mentally tactical. Clear Example? Goku went Toe to toe with Kid Buu, he couldn't with Super Buu at all. Goku could have beat Fat Buu but Vegeta could not, he tried. When Vegeta came back, he was stronger than Fat Buu, but now Buu was in his Kid Buu form which Vegeta got Rag dolled by and could only stall for Goku. The only person who could be all Buu's was Gohan whom they wrote to lose to Super Buu via absorption shenanigan's which made him way too strong and Required Vegito fusion. I like Super Buu over Kid Buu. But in all the games Kid buu is a better character to play as move set wise.
He definitely could, I always wanted him to go into someones body to increase their power, imagine if he actually was in the tournament of power and Goku, Vegeta, Gohan literally anyone allowed buu to go inside them, that would have been wild lol or even if buu just absorbed some people in the tournament and gained their power
I liked all the forms of Buu after absorbing Piccolo. He remained chaotic and evil, but he gained a psychopathic intelligence to go with it. Now his power wasn't just used to destroy for Buu's gain, but to slowly sap the hope away from anybody he faced. He didn't just destroy, he went out of his way to break the spirit of his enemies. People overlook it, but the fight with Gohan and Buu (plus Piccolo and Gotenks) had a lot of psychological torture, so much so I'm surprised it got into the show in retrospect. He could have simply killed Gohan if he wanted at that point, but he didn't. He wanted Gohan to feel existential dread before killing him. That is serious serial killer level psychopathy! Going from such a calculatingly evil form into Kid Buu felt like a step backward for me. He wasn't as psychologically scary, he wasn't as powerful, and seemed less cognizant of his own intentions.
@@arrownoir Indeed. All the DBZ villains were evil, but in very different ways. Frieza wanted people to know his greatness; Cell had a mission to accomplish at any cost. Buu didn't just want to win, he wanted to crush the hope and spirit of anybody he fought, degrading them and mocking them to their face. They are all evil, but Buu seems the most malicious to me. That psychopathy is best displayed after gaining Piccolo's intellect, I think.
I disagree. Yeah that was peak buu but he also lost because of that arrogance. Kid buu wouldn't make that mistake because he's just going to kill you or blow up the planet killing you anyway. And that's why they call kid buu the most dangerous he's not smart enough to talk let alone be arrogant enough to draw out the kill. How many times has a bad guy have the win then proceed to prove how "smart" they were by attempting to psychologically crush the good guy before losing because it gave them a chance to come back.
@@tim6454 The only reason Super Buu didn't win outright was because of a series of never seen before miracles. Vegeta being sent back shouldn't have happened, it broke the rules of the afterlife. Same thing for Goku being resurrected without the Dragon Balls. Buu had no way of possibly imagining that more foes could have come back. Even then, Buu could have won if not for the Potara fusion, yet another thing Buu could not have possibly known was a thing. The events that came together to conspire at Super Buu's defeat was essentially a series of deus ex machinas. And it isn't like Kid Buu would have fared any better if he was in that situation instead. Hell, if it was Kid Buu instead of Super Buu, the Potara fusion wouldn't have been necessary at all, and the team of Gohan, Goku, and Vegeta would have stomped Kid Buu.
@@daniell1483 if he had just killed everybody when he had the opportunity it wouldn't have mattered. First thing kid buu did was blow the planet he just lacked the strength to beat goku
One thing I disagree with is that I think uub in the baby saga was written well. Fusing back with Buu to obtain the true power of Majin Buu was written near perfectly and yes I agree that his fight with baby should be longer maybe an episode or 2 but seeing uub match the big bad in power that being baby was cool to watch as we see what uubs true potential really is were I can agree it would be great if uub got the win but I can accept and I actually like the idea of him losing on purpose to attack baby on the inside to help Goku in his fight as it shows to me again that uub is also a strategist and not a brawler like some of the other z fighters. Uubs moment of reflecting on his time with Goku after thinking baby killed him felt so natural for him to go through. And finally him coming in to save pan gave me chills even baby gave him praise saying that he surpassed Goku. However I agree that super 17 did uub a disservice by making him usless again super 17. As for the shadow dragons uub was meh. He was the first line of defence for Goku which was cool and his willingness to jump back into the fight to help his mentor was good but he didn't do anything in that arc that was significant. So in my opinion Uub in baby was written well but could be better but I liked the uub losing on purpose to help Goku later. Uub in super 17 was a disservice to the character and he should of at least have been able to hurt super 17 Uub in the shadow dragons was a nothing burger. He should of done something significant like joining in the final assault on omega with Vegeta, Gohan, Goten and trunks.
Oob was written perfectly well in the Baby Saga. The fight was long enough and didn't ass drag like Dragonball Z fights. The Super 17 Saga is nothing more than filler so it DOESN'T count. What do you REALLY THINK he could do against Omega Shenron when SSJ4 Goku was no match🤓 THINK ABOUT IT.....
If he doesn’t have body strain like goku he would def be the strongest in the universe. It was enough to get goku go toe to toe with hit and was slightly relevant vs jiren till it wasn’t lol
I think they purposely wrote him out of the tournament because with a no-kill rule, he’s kind of hax. He doesn’t get tired. Doesn’t really feel pain. Jiren would obviously do whatever he wanted with him, but it could still be problematic. Plus he’d make their team extra OP. Imagine replacing roshi with buu lol
Well, he can't feasibly be "defeated" without killing him or him giving up, but he could certainly be thrown out of the ring and lose that way. And it's not exactly difficult to outsmart fat Buu. So I don't think him being so strong/resilient is a good reason for making him sleep through the tournaments.
@@mikeexits see they could have done that but have Buu leave some of himself hidden in the ring to regenerate himself. That would have been an amazing plot twist. Have time run out with jiren and goku left fighting to a stalemate. But universe 7 still wins because buu regenerates himself, and, Tada! We have two warriors left.
@@maximilianraley2457 Damn, I would've actually liked that a lot haha. It'd be one of those laugh-out-loud moments, not even for the potential comedic play-up but just from the sheer absurdity of it, and fat Buu of all beings coming up with the plan (unless Gohan or Piccolo or Beerus told him to do this beforehand or something).
@@mikeexits Thank you. I think about ways to incorporate buu constantly. He is such and amazing and diverse character. He can literally be put in any situating and be okay. Even planets blowing up.
He really was wasted in super they got him all buff and powerful near the tournament of power arc just to do nothing with him it would have been fun to see him in the tournament he didn't even show up in the universe 6 tournament like come on now if you're going to have Majin Buu around at least do something with him make him useful or at the very least memorable don't just keep him in the show just to be another character to fill out the ranks I've been telling people this for ages but I guess they just don't get it... He was better when he was a villain.
@@scottgrasser9475 Really love Roshi but hated how they made him viable, by making everyone else useless lol. Not only was he considered by the anime to be one of strongest fighter in Universe 7, he managed to defeat multiple "strongest" of the other universes that supposedly had higher "level" or "quality" or whatever bullshit they said before the tournament started. That took the stakes right off for me, fckin hell if people can be defeated by Roshi, the Saiyans would sweep... I was also incredibly excited by the Slim Majin Buu look, then sad...
Majin Boo was bullshitted out of a spot on the Tournament of Power team But then again, if Boo was in the Tournament of Power, it'd just be the world's longest curbstomp. And curbstomps are cool sometimes, but most of the time they're not ideal.
I recently figured out that my biggest problem with the Buu arc is that it doesn't connect to the other arcs as seamlessly as the previous ones. Before the Buu arc, the consequences of the previous arc propelled the action of the upcoming one, it was good narrative structure. The Buu arc wasn't supposed to exist so it doesn't have that same attatchment. The Buu arc feels like the start of a new series, as opposed to the ending of what has already been established. It introduces a bunch of concepts that the protaganists really don't have a grasp on yet (Fusion, SSJ3, the upper kai realm and demon realms). Now that Super (and honestly... Xenoverse) exists it feels like the story would make more sense if the Buu saga was the start of Super as opposed to the end of Z. The carry over is so much cleaner. Battle of Gods, The Goku Black Arc, the ToP, and the Moro Arc work really well as follow ups of the Buu Arc and if it was written with them in mind, I sincerely, belive based off past evidence, that the writing would've been so much tighter. Keep up the good work, Cheers
Buu is a goddamn wasted Strawberry Cheesecake!! Those word man, make me laugh, and I have to agree, Majin Buu has fallen far from grace since his saga, and the man is as busted as he can be, hype him up so much just to push him into a damn machine, my heart man.
I think what could've fixed his standing in Super (since at that point his involvement in the eventual Morro story in the manga) is if he sleeps in the universe 6 tourney, but come time for the ToP, he refuses to participate suddenly out of nowhere, never gives a reason why, and even threatens people like Goku and Mr. Satan to try and force him. Hinting at the idea that he doesn't want to leave the universe for unknown reasons. This would set up the eventual Morro arc, and reveal that the sudden change in personality is due to the re-ermerging memories of the Grand Supreme Kai who has become aware that Morro is going to be a threat sometime in the future.
He doesn’t have those forms any more because he’s pure hearted now. He was separated from the other Buu’s. Only being that resides in him now is the Grand Supreme Kai. Kid Buu is reincarnated as Uub. I’d rather them take Toyotaro’s AF route and have Uub learn to maintain Kid’s power.
Thats a good idea. Although I'd like it if even if he does retain sanity, maybe it has a drawback like he shouldn't stay in it for too long or he goes back to being crazed. Or maybe he could go into the other forms and still retain a lot of the original traits of that form. Or both
As far as versions of Buu are concerned, I still think the best version of Buu is Buutenks. Not only does he look completely badass during his entire screen time, but he was also playing psychological mind games on Gohan in a way that was both creepy and kind of fascinating. Honestly, I think he was the smartest version of Buu because he didn't absorb Gohan's overconfidence yet. He also presented himself in a way that made him look like the most cunning and menacing version of Buu. Also the fusion vest he was wearing looked cool as fuck and matched with the clothes he had on which also makes him cooler.
It’s crazy how they make characters just for them to be stepping stones for Goku. You went into Uub alot more than what I thought about him. And you’re right, they absolutely shat all over his character when all they had to do was just no longer use him instead they embarrassed him at every chance they could get. I can’t really say I’m surprised tbh because I doubt anyone in china would want a black character anywhere near the levels of Goku.
True lol but because of messed up writing they didn’t create Beerus yet abs decided to write themselves into a hole and change it with no logical explanation.
If that had Majin Buu in TOP. Imagine There would have been a villain from every ark from Z helping Goku. Piccolo Vegeta, sayain saga. Frieza. Namek ark. 17, 18. Android saga. Buu, Buu saga
"I got it, let's put Freiza in the tournament roster!" "But we already got buu, Goku..." "Well then how does Freiza get to participate?" "I dunno... maybe have him freaking absorb every fighter we can't take with us to the tournament? You know like he did in the buu arc? Golden Buu? near infinite stamina? ring any bells?"
Cell: "Are you serious? Frieza and Buu over me. I have Frieza cells, I have Vegeta cells and even your cells Goku. Let me train just like Frieza and I show you I can be your best fighter for tournament." Goku: "Sorry who is this?"
@@kingp260 they mean a theoretical what if where cell basically does what frieza did. Barely any training was needed for frieza to go from weakling at this point to being more powerful that even the strongest form of buu. Considering that Cell has Frieza's cells, saiyan cells (and we know cell can get zenkai boosts), and piccolos cells (amazing regeneration), he theoretically has much more potential and could reach it much faster than frieza did.
"MAJIN BUU, BIG BAD BUU!!" I love buu and all his forms. The z fighters were desperate from jump and the saga gave us many fan favorite characters and forms like Majin vegeta, ultimate Gohan, gotenks, the Ssj3 form, etc. Also the scene where Supreme Kai realizes that saiyans are absolutely insane "who are you people?!" will never not be hilarious to me.
Kid Buu was my absolutely favorite. Removed all vestiges of anything positive, just a murderous psychopath hellbent on destruction, closer to a beast than an intelligent being. His very first act, to uncerimoniously destroying Earth, without caring for Goku's plead to fight. Simply awesome.
even though he had very less screen time in GT but even that meant alot for the story narrative and him fusing with Uub didn't got wasted. Him saving Pan was so crucially important to the story. GT Buu wasn't wasted and disrespected
Him fusing with uub definitely got wasted, he was relative to baby and in the very next arc he gets his shit wrecked Meanwhile an ssj goku does better than him against s17
Got to love the Scholar and I am with you once again.. Its so nice to hear a different Dragon bAll youtuber, you are true to what you believe and there is a huge portion of the fandom that agrees with you.
The fact that they had him asleep in both tournaments but included him in the intro sequence is obvious “Watch-bait” by Toei. You put a fan favorite in the intro and everyone starts watching under the illusion that their favorite character will be in the Arc.
And btw, thank you for doing what Akira was never able to do up until now. You gave Vegeta the W, and you actually made it better than anyone every could
I had a dream about a year ago where Buu's status as a majin gave his form special properties, for example being immune to destruction powers and even Zeno's erase. I feel like a creature that has existed since "time immemorial" would have a special relationship with the fabric of reality, in that his immunity to matter-neutralizing powers as well as his natural regeneration to counter more conventional powers are what made him so tough rather than direct power. Of course, nothing of this sort was even mentioned in actual canon, but we're talking about DB here, where canon kinda sucks lol
@@bro8686 I thought akira mentioned somewhere that Bibidi didn't actually create Majin Buu, he just learned to imprison him and control him (to an extent)
@@kyararos4565 you are correct. Toriyama retconned it so Buu is from time immemorial and (iirc) summoned and learned to imprison Buu by accident, leading him to believe he created Buu.
Majin Buu is a character that feels like he should be in Frieza's role. Someone introduced earlier in the series and foreshadowed as a ultimate antagonist, but Dragon Ball writing always falls short in looking ahead, often doing things at the moment then using retcons like Beerus' history to denounce some things. You can see it in this comment section, the idea of the Kais being mascaraed goes from this bone-chilling event to an act of grand incompetence, and by extension belittles Majin Buu's act. He has so much going for him, even now in Super, but it hurts knowing that until we reach Uub Majin Buu truly is and was always a vessel for the plot that has taking different forms in spite of how interesting he is.
If Buu was handled better, in the Moro Arc, he would have turned Moro into a biscuit and eat it like he did to Dabura. He's magic was superior to Moro, by that point, so, instead of trying to seal his power, just eat turn him into a candy and eat him. There were plenty of occasions, since Moro couldn't make a dent on him and was constantly caught by surprise by Buu's magic and skills.
I disagree. I think it would be better if they had Buu be more formidable and utilize his magic more in the fight, but to have buu just up and beat moro especially before we get to see moro at his fullest is just.....ehh That wouldn't be a worthy trade. It would be anticlimactic, and we would lose good character moments and world building. Buu just turning the dude into candy and eating him would leave a bad taste in my mouth......pun intended :(
@@worthyedge9307 They could have rearranged the plot to have him be relevant towards the end, instead of having him doing anything only at the start. He was supposed to be relevant, in that arc, and yet his main role was to add details to the lore and do filler staff like stalling the enemy a bit. Even Uub was there just to give energy to Goku, it was just a bait and switch, everyone was demanding for Buu to do something other than sleep and eat since the start of the series. In the tournament of power he would have work greatly, but no, he's sleeping... only had a goofy yet unfunny fight against a furry and another bait just before the tournament.
@@diddly-squat9332 that much i agree with for the most part. They did add lore and that is a good thing, but he was so underutilized considering that they both have mystic aspects to their character and are at least loosely connected. I like how Moro was beaten overall, and I like a lot of the stuff that lead up to it, but I do wish they at least incorporated buu to have him maybe contribute to moro's defeat lol
Could you imagine Buu fighting Dyspo and absorbing him? Using his power and how that could turn the tide thru the Toppo fight? If Jiren fought THAT and won, it would have led to so much more excitement when Goku and friends were able to oppose Jiren.
The problem I have with super is that I don't really like the villains, mostly because half of them are not even villains like Jiren or Hit. It's not bad but I don't find it as entertaining as the Saiyan or Freezer saga. Also, Majin Buu didn't participate in the tournament of power because he would be broken and not just because of its power but just for the abilities he has, let's remember he could have just chocolate ray Jiren and he would have took it head on as with the other techniques launched at him.
It's nice that your using Goku's forgotten technique, which is telepathy and Goku can move things with his mind it's just forgotten only seen in the Frieza arc
I effing feel you. Uub is one of my favorite characters in all of Dragonball and that ain't happening now apparently. No ssj4 transformation, no uub, Gohan is the most wasted aspect hands down. All so disappointing. Both GT and Super wasted tf out of a lot of the best aspects of Dbz.
The only reason I'd say Buuhan is the strongest because of scaling like how did ssj2 - ssj3 get some hits on kid Buu even Vegeta in his base and stuff and ssj1 Goku and Vegeta couldn't do anything to Buuhan but the only reason I'm not bringing in a what if ssj2 and 3 for Buuhan is because Vegito was stronger than that in his base and above, so that's why I think Buuhan is the strongest, but I think what they are trying to say is that Buuhan is the strongest transformed Buu and that kid Buu is the strongest base Buu and plus he's the original buu. At the end of all of this, the anime was just confusing and messed up by bad writing, well atleast it's not as bad as Supers power scaling lol 🤣
I think that the original absorption of the Kai's nerfed kid buu. The z fighter absorption corrected the power loss of the Kai absorption. Kid buu got weaker as he absorbed the Kai's, and evil buu knew it. That's why he separated from fat buu to become super buu after B died. Fat buu was too soft
Just as a minor thought: Imagine if Fat Buu returned to his original ways during the Tornament of Power, Absorbing other fighters to gain their abilities and progressively become an even bigger menace during the whole saga. It 'is' possible given it takes time for Buu's absorption technique to actually kill anyone as we have seen during the Super Buu encounters of DBZ, Goten, Gohan, Trunks, but even most importantly, Fat Buu were all absorbed by Super Buu to make him progressively stronger, and all survived. So we likely could have seen a temporary resurrection of Super Buu with so many combination potentials and random abilities to make the final fight a true clash of Titans and Ideals between Buu, (Who could likely eat a quarter of the tournament), and Jiren, a fighter who always has, and forever more stood alone.
Let me explain to you why Kid Buu was justifiably the strongest. We all know about Ki, and Ki control, right? We all know about the limitations of different races as far as power goes right? If you were to merge Kid Buu's 'race' with a less powerful race, boom, his power has been "limited". He draws his power from either the universe or multiverse, but can only channel so much of it at once. The reason that Buuhan was able to demonstrate dimensional power is because he had the intelligence to leverage his vast power in ways that Kid Buu would never conceive of. It's like telling a really strong guy and a really smart guy to lift a ship. The strong guy won't be able to, but Galileo did with pulleys.
The real argument is that the Kais weakened buu with their ki to an amazing amount but that's kinda shit cuz all the Buus can be more or less power scaled to ssj3 Goku. As far as we know, goku was only confident vs fat buu and thought he could take kid buu at full power. Zenkais were never mentioned and super buu was already scaring Goku. But if you really want to think that Buu absorbing fighters makes him weaker then go ahead and make him have one of the worst techniques in the universe lol. Only the Kais were supposed to make him weaker (tbh only one kai had that innocence to make him weaker) and Buu obviously thought he was getting stronger as he absorbed the Z fighters.
I love Buu but ya really can't do much with him unless his opponent can use magic. Imagine to TOP but Buu is there instead of frieza. He walks up to goku and heals him back to full, zenkai boost and all. Hands down would completely eliminate the tension goku already could beat Jiren when he went MUI, it's just that his body gave out before he could finish the job and this was a goku who was already EXHAUSTED. A peak stamina goku would wipe the floor with Jiren and if he's gone the rest of the tournament would be a wash for universe 7. Hell, imagine if Buu absorbed people. You could say that he could get influenced but I'd argue he wouldn't. He absorbed a BUNCH of objectively speaking "pure hearted" people and was still a evil monster. Buu is cool, but he's way too strong against anyone who couldn't just flat out over power and defeat him instantly or could use magic themselves to maybe counter act Buu. The TOP would have to be fundamentally rewritten for Buu to work in my opinion if you wish for the stakes to still be there. Side note, even if we ignore the tweets and just look at the show in a vacuum, Super Buu is objectively stronger. If you said more dangerous I wouldn't disagree with you, but more powerful? Wouldn't make any sense.
The buu vs Mr. Satan fight was a great addition to the arc in my opinion. It shows the bond between buu and Mr. Satan even though the buu Mr. Satan knew and bonded with was long gone, buu couldn’t touch him and was driven to agony and had to spit out fat buu thus severing any remaining restraints he had. Not to mention how pivotal Mr. Satan was to defeating kid buu.
Ki is able to manipulate space-time. Both Hit and even GULDO could outright STOP time itself, yet I think we all agree Guldo isn't a universal character. Power in Dragon Ball is very much a numbers game. Buu ripped open the TIME CHAMBER, which was made by either Kami or Mr. Popo, I don't think it's specified who exactly built the thing. Either way this just means to overcome whatever protections it has, you just need to be stronger than them, which Buu certainly is. Dragon Ball is not explained well enough to apply whatever scaling table you showed. Ki is too nebulous and capable of seemingly anything and nothing. Goku is more than capable of teleporting using his Ki, and much weaker beings, IE the Yardrat aliens that taught this to him, can do it even better. Just the fact Buu could effect space-time doesn't mean he's capable of destroying entire universes. If Buu was that powerful, he'd have destroyed the universe already rather than going from planet to planet and destroying them that way. Buu is a merciless force of destruction, if he had the power to bomb the universe, he'd just do it. The ONLY being actually proven to be capable of destroying a universe wholesale is Zeno, as he has actually done it. Not to mention there's a host of translation errors, so that may very well be happening here. You already fell for several errors when you said Bibidi created Buu(He didn't, he FOUND Buu) and that Babidi was his son, he was actually a magic clone. Besides, since when is Goku and Vegeta an authority on dimensional mechanics? How does he even know what's happening in this scene? How do dimensions work in Dragon Ball? It's never explained. How many tons of TnT does it take to poke holes in a dimension? None of this is defined in Dragon Ball, so we can't calculate his power on this alone. You can destroy a building, but you're not building level. You're support strut level, you can just keep destroying support struts until the house can't stand up any longer. Universal level is reserved for someone who can destroy an entire universe in one single attack. Buu does not qualify if he needs to exploit some nebulous rules and still fails to pull it off. If you flick a switch and turn off the universe, you're not universal, you're just exploiting the rules of the universe to cause it to collapse. Basically, Buu's taking a shortcut because he's NOT strong enough to destroy the universe. One character can destroy universes at will, and characters leagues more powerful than Buu has ever been are terrified of that character.
I have a sorta head canon-y idea on why Kid Buu would be the strongest, that being that maybe after he absorbed the other fighters then lost them he absorbed some of their latent power and potential enough to keep them and him being a "kid" is essentially Buu's lifecycle reset to stage 1. It'd be sorta like a stage 3 pokemon suddenly reverting back to a basic Pokemon but with super buffed stats and potential with maxxed IVs. Like Buu started new game plus. You might even call it a... Buu Game Plus.
My hopes and my reactions when I saw buff majin buy before the dbs tournament had me screaming and then nothing came of it xD It would've blown my mind it already did, I totally felt blue balled by that
with Buu...His determination to learn fighting skills and draw from his potentally limitless power made him compelling ...Things like Fat Buu using Instant transmission Head Butt on SS3 Goku ...Resisting to kneel on the ground from the beat down of Ultimate Gohan...Going full Screaming Dimensional Breaker mode when fighting Vegeto...Or resisting the Super Duper Spirit Bomb as Kid Buu....I Loved it all...
Majin Buu was once a horrifying monster, a demon of pure terror, he was a pure chaos incarnate and defied all sense of logic and now he’s just wasted background character
Would have been fun if Goku went to HFIL to recruite Freiza, gets partway through his pitch, then notices Bobbity and immediately ditches Freiza and makes his offer to Bobbity instead asking him to use his spell to wake Buu up for the tournament.
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Majin Buu sleeping through both Tournaments in Dragon Ball Super was stupid.
Tell me about it.
Facts
Easily one of the dumbest plot devices used in the series
Buu is clearing that tournament if he enters they had to get rid of him. Not a good reason cause its their fault hes as busted as he is but im sure thats the reason they didn't have him be in the tournament
It was though Buu would have soloed the Universe 6 one, ToP on the other hand he would have lost to either Toppo or Jiren, but he would have made it to the end. It shows how bad the writers were and I'm throwing Toyotaro and Toriyama in there as well. Yeah Buu is busted, but if you didn't have a legit way for him to lose, then maybe he shouldn't.
Buu did one thing Merge Zamasu couldn't. He killed everyone on earth with 1 move. While Merge Zamasu is still trying to find the rest of the humans hiding.
Bad writing
Yeah, why didn’t he just destroy the planet…
@@lewispooper3138 Yeah, exactly. Zamasu is bad writing.
@@josephsalah647 this.
@@josephsalah647 No, Zamasu is a waste of words
I agree. There was so much to do to help Buu progress in the story, but instead, they chose to waste Buu's potential
End of Z is better
But Super nerf Everyone Except Goku n Vegeta hopefully we get a time skip or while the manga focuses on the main two characters the rest of characters should be training that way when Goku n Vegeta comes bac to earth it would be easier to transition the focus to another character
Well what can say I say? Its like unlocking a boss character just to have him be complete dogshit
@@fazygamer243 I didn't mean it that way. I meant the way they would not have Fat Buu train not to get the Super Buu or Kid Buu forms, but to find his own path of power.
Pink gohan? Lol
I love kid buu, his unpredictable psychotic behavior is the best thing about him along with the destruction he brings upon everything when he blows up earth and the other planets he visits afterwards.
There is no Kid Buu, it's Majin Boo pure evil.
@@great159 Bruh, they literally call him Kid Buu in every game he's in
It's just another name for the same character
@@DeeMulaah kid buu is an alteration of majin buu all of is evil in one place which is why he is separate from “majin buu” have you not watched that saga or the last fight when Hercules is cuddled up with majin buu In a corner?
@@guy-mp9bw Yeah that's not what we're talking about
We're talking about 2 different names for specifically Kid Buu
Not the difference between Majin Buu and Kid Buu
I like Super Buu because he has the same "doing this all because I can" motive but more grounded in sanity or logic
To which, I also appreciate kid buu being the same exact motive but he doesn't care for rhyme and reason. No more negotiations or strategy, just chaos.
Don't forget, Gohan said when Buu SLAPPED Dabura "It's like he reached into a well of energy that doesn't end, but it felt..empty..." Wasted concept.
infinite power buu confirmed
@@itsbeyxnd Lol right. It could have been a very dark and interesting concept.
@@smithsmithy7980 any good examples?
Bc he basically had god level power before dat god concept along wit beerus, even came to life💀💀
Almost like Teresa from Claymore. Power beyond comprehension
As a huge Majin Buu fan, it still frustrates me to my very core to this day whenever I think about all the massive potential Buu had in dbs that was completely wasted. Hell, with all the involvement relating to Buu in the dbs arcs, he should’ve been involved in every single arc. His relation with Beerus and how he nearly killed him and shut down Whis all by himself, Frieza being warned of Buu from King Cold, dealing with a twin universe that may have their own Buu, trunks’ success in preventing Majin Buu leading to an even greater threat in goku black ruining his timeline, universe 6 bringing their own Buu to fight U7 Buu, the Grand Kai in his body meeting with Beerus and shin again after multiple millennia of being absorbed. I could go on but I’d just go on a rant again so I’ll stop here.
You should read the Moro arc of super, buu gets some cool action with moro
@@jeremiahbennett3004 He just gets one fight where Buu really shouldn’t stand a chance if you really think about it but while it was nice to see, much like the t.o.p, it lasts too short and Buu is put to sleep again, leaving him out for the rest of the arc until that plot convenient ending.
Buu only needed 5 seconds of sleep in Z so it makes no sense why he slept through the tournament but if you think about it Buu is broken as heck. He can regenerate from pretty much complete obliteration, absorb others, change others, he can even heal others lmao would have been toooo easy to win!!
The problem with super is it tried too hard to go back to the comedy roots of OG dragonball but sacrifices the competence and growth of all the characters that happened in late dragonball and z by making everyone into an idiot. This is becoming a more common issue across media altogether these days where they take characters that were serious and competent and turning them into bumbling idiots for a cheap laugh. For example Thor over the course of the marvel movies, or Han solo.
You hit it right on the head
Thor 1, and 2 were fkin boring. It was the right decision to make him less shit then him being complete shit. Han solo on the otherhand idc. Star wars sucks.
Its more of the fact they ran out of material in the 90s. They've taken the sayian crap as far as it could go. its so in your face obvious they have to rehash old story lines, tournament's' ...tournament' of power!,time travel with trunks, king kai goku dynamic =beerus/ whis-ky
teen titans go, powerpuff girls, most reboots?
Wreck It Ralph turning Ralph into an obsessive man baby in the second movie lol.
Imagine Beerus dying in his sleep if all the Kais got killed.
That's probably what happened in the Future Trunks timeline lol
@@Unrealll958 that's what we meant isn't it? Beerus died in his sleep because Goku Black killed the Kais??
@@Unrealll958 The "probably" is for Beerus, I don't remember if it was shown that he was sleeping or not.
@@Unrealll958 Goku black killed all of the Kais except Shin, as Shin had died during the battle against Majin Buu in Future Trunks timeline.
Kid Buu was the guy who scared me when I was little watching dbz, even when he danced during Goku's fight I was terrified noticing how he was really just playing around with everyone's life. The fact that he's pure evil by absorbing negative energy too is a pretty cool and interesting concept, I wanted to see more of him honestly
Did not expect this, but I can’t disagree
Kid Buu was an incoherent monster but I love how chaotic he is and how fun he is to play as in the games
facts he was the first buu I played as before the dragon ball z episodes went into the whole series
But Super Buu is a better character. Kid Buu is a menace but Super buu is stronger and more mentally tactical. Clear Example? Goku went Toe to toe with Kid Buu, he couldn't with Super Buu at all. Goku could have beat Fat Buu but Vegeta could not, he tried. When Vegeta came back, he was stronger than Fat Buu, but now Buu was in his Kid Buu form which Vegeta got Rag dolled by and could only stall for Goku. The only person who could be all Buu's was Gohan whom they wrote to lose to Super Buu via absorption shenanigan's which made him way too strong and Required Vegito fusion. I like Super Buu over Kid Buu. But in all the games Kid buu is a better character to play as move set wise.
I always wonder if buu could have given Hercule some power so he can experienced being an Z fighter for once.
Better idea: Buu absorbs Hercule, but lets him have full control. Imagine someone with actual fighting skill and Buu's power set.
@@jeffreykirkley6475 or just like turn himself (or other strong fighters) into a candy and let hercule eat him but that would be dumb ngl
He definitely could, I always wanted him to go into someones body to increase their power, imagine if he actually was in the tournament of power and Goku, Vegeta, Gohan literally anyone allowed buu to go inside them, that would have been wild lol or even if buu just absorbed some people in the tournament and gained their power
I liked all the forms of Buu after absorbing Piccolo. He remained chaotic and evil, but he gained a psychopathic intelligence to go with it. Now his power wasn't just used to destroy for Buu's gain, but to slowly sap the hope away from anybody he faced. He didn't just destroy, he went out of his way to break the spirit of his enemies. People overlook it, but the fight with Gohan and Buu (plus Piccolo and Gotenks) had a lot of psychological torture, so much so I'm surprised it got into the show in retrospect. He could have simply killed Gohan if he wanted at that point, but he didn't. He wanted Gohan to feel existential dread before killing him. That is serious serial killer level psychopathy!
Going from such a calculatingly evil form into Kid Buu felt like a step backward for me. He wasn't as psychologically scary, he wasn't as powerful, and seemed less cognizant of his own intentions.
Exactly. Buutenks and Buuhan were peak Buu. Insanely strong but with actual character and intelligence.
@@arrownoir Indeed. All the DBZ villains were evil, but in very different ways. Frieza wanted people to know his greatness; Cell had a mission to accomplish at any cost. Buu didn't just want to win, he wanted to crush the hope and spirit of anybody he fought, degrading them and mocking them to their face. They are all evil, but Buu seems the most malicious to me. That psychopathy is best displayed after gaining Piccolo's intellect, I think.
I disagree. Yeah that was peak buu but he also lost because of that arrogance. Kid buu wouldn't make that mistake because he's just going to kill you or blow up the planet killing you anyway. And that's why they call kid buu the most dangerous he's not smart enough to talk let alone be arrogant enough to draw out the kill. How many times has a bad guy have the win then proceed to prove how "smart" they were by attempting to psychologically crush the good guy before losing because it gave them a chance to come back.
@@tim6454 The only reason Super Buu didn't win outright was because of a series of never seen before miracles. Vegeta being sent back shouldn't have happened, it broke the rules of the afterlife. Same thing for Goku being resurrected without the Dragon Balls. Buu had no way of possibly imagining that more foes could have come back. Even then, Buu could have won if not for the Potara fusion, yet another thing Buu could not have possibly known was a thing.
The events that came together to conspire at Super Buu's defeat was essentially a series of deus ex machinas. And it isn't like Kid Buu would have fared any better if he was in that situation instead. Hell, if it was Kid Buu instead of Super Buu, the Potara fusion wouldn't have been necessary at all, and the team of Gohan, Goku, and Vegeta would have stomped Kid Buu.
@@daniell1483 if he had just killed everybody when he had the opportunity it wouldn't have mattered. First thing kid buu did was blow the planet he just lacked the strength to beat goku
One thing I disagree with is that I think uub in the baby saga was written well. Fusing back with Buu to obtain the true power of Majin Buu was written near perfectly and yes I agree that his fight with baby should be longer maybe an episode or 2 but seeing uub match the big bad in power that being baby was cool to watch as we see what uubs true potential really is were I can agree it would be great if uub got the win but I can accept and I actually like the idea of him losing on purpose to attack baby on the inside to help Goku in his fight as it shows to me again that uub is also a strategist and not a brawler like some of the other z fighters. Uubs moment of reflecting on his time with Goku after thinking baby killed him felt so natural for him to go through. And finally him coming in to save pan gave me chills even baby gave him praise saying that he surpassed Goku.
However I agree that super 17 did uub a disservice by making him usless again super 17. As for the shadow dragons uub was meh. He was the first line of defence for Goku which was cool and his willingness to jump back into the fight to help his mentor was good but he didn't do anything in that arc that was significant.
So in my opinion
Uub in baby was written well but could be better but I liked the uub losing on purpose to help Goku later.
Uub in super 17 was a disservice to the character and he should of at least have been able to hurt super 17
Uub in the shadow dragons was a nothing burger. He should of done something significant like joining in the final assault on omega with Vegeta, Gohan, Goten and trunks.
Oob was written perfectly well in the Baby Saga. The fight was long enough and didn't ass drag like Dragonball Z fights. The Super 17 Saga is nothing more than filler so it DOESN'T count. What do you REALLY THINK he could do against Omega Shenron when SSJ4 Goku was no match🤓 THINK ABOUT IT.....
@@great159 maybe he could've fought one of the other shenrons?
Imagine Majin Buu learning the Kaioken.
If he doesn’t have body strain like goku he would def be the strongest in the universe. It was enough to get goku go toe to toe with hit and was slightly relevant vs jiren till it wasn’t lol
It's a really fun build on Xenoverse 1 actually, using majin shout and kaioken in an infinite super melee cycle
LMFAOAO
"His character and legacy absolutely sucks in modern Dragon Balls."
Whose doesn't?
I think they purposely wrote him out of the tournament because with a no-kill rule, he’s kind of hax. He doesn’t get tired. Doesn’t really feel pain. Jiren would obviously do whatever he wanted with him, but it could still be problematic. Plus he’d make their team extra OP. Imagine replacing roshi with buu lol
Well, he can't feasibly be "defeated" without killing him or him giving up, but he could certainly be thrown out of the ring and lose that way. And it's not exactly difficult to outsmart fat Buu. So I don't think him being so strong/resilient is a good reason for making him sleep through the tournaments.
@@mikeexits see they could have done that but have Buu leave some of himself hidden in the ring to regenerate himself. That would have been an amazing plot twist. Have time run out with jiren and goku left fighting to a stalemate. But universe 7 still wins because buu regenerates himself, and, Tada! We have two warriors left.
@@maximilianraley2457 Damn, I would've actually liked that a lot haha. It'd be one of those laugh-out-loud moments, not even for the potential comedic play-up but just from the sheer absurdity of it, and fat Buu of all beings coming up with the plan (unless Gohan or Piccolo or Beerus told him to do this beforehand or something).
@@mikeexits Thank you. I think about ways to incorporate buu constantly. He is such and amazing and diverse character. He can literally be put in any situating and be okay. Even planets blowing up.
I was hoping the Moro arc Buu would have a big roll because it seemed their back story intertwined but he also slept again
He really was wasted in super they got him all buff and powerful near the tournament of power arc just to do nothing with him it would have been fun to see him in the tournament he didn't even show up in the universe 6 tournament like come on now if you're going to have Majin Buu around at least do something with him make him useful or at the very least memorable don't just keep him in the show just to be another character to fill out the ranks I've been telling people this for ages but I guess they just don't get it... He was better when he was a villain.
found it so odd they ditched him...to use master roshi who by all logic in the story was useless BEFORE Z
@@scottgrasser9475 Really love Roshi but hated how they made him viable, by making everyone else useless lol. Not only was he considered by the anime to be one of strongest fighter in Universe 7, he managed to defeat multiple "strongest" of the other universes that supposedly had higher "level" or "quality" or whatever bullshit they said before the tournament started. That took the stakes right off for me, fckin hell if people can be defeated by Roshi, the Saiyans would sweep...
I was also incredibly excited by the Slim Majin Buu look, then sad...
Nah he was awesome in the moro arc
@@sidecharacter3193 Uhh, you mean the lord of lords? Majin Buu was barely in the Moro arc
@@Jay9966 that’s still majin buu lol
Majin Boo was bullshitted out of a spot on the Tournament of Power team
But then again, if Boo was in the Tournament of Power, it'd just be the world's longest curbstomp. And curbstomps are cool sometimes, but most of the time they're not ideal.
Itd be hilarious.
Honestly I'd see him getting pissed off, releases evil Buu and evil Buu being strong as shit from Buu training
IMAGINE SUPER BUU
@@bruhboi7935 LMAO I WAS THINKING THAT TOO
@@bruhboi7935 too bad evil buu is gone
Magic obeys no rules
I recently figured out that my biggest problem with the Buu arc is that it doesn't connect to the other arcs as seamlessly as the previous ones. Before the Buu arc, the consequences of the previous arc propelled the action of the upcoming one, it was good narrative structure. The Buu arc wasn't supposed to exist so it doesn't have that same attatchment.
The Buu arc feels like the start of a new series, as opposed to the ending of what has already been established. It introduces a bunch of concepts that the protaganists really don't have a grasp on yet (Fusion, SSJ3, the upper kai realm and demon realms). Now that Super (and honestly... Xenoverse) exists it feels like the story would make more sense if the Buu saga was the start of Super as opposed to the end of Z. The carry over is so much cleaner. Battle of Gods, The Goku Black Arc, the ToP, and the Moro Arc work really well as follow ups of the Buu Arc and if it was written with them in mind, I sincerely, belive based off past evidence, that the writing would've been so much tighter.
Keep up the good work, Cheers
Buu is a goddamn wasted Strawberry Cheesecake!!
Those word man, make me laugh, and I have to agree, Majin Buu has fallen far from grace since his saga, and the man is as busted as he can be, hype him up so much just to push him into a damn machine, my heart man.
I think what could've fixed his standing in Super (since at that point his involvement in the eventual Morro story in the manga) is if he sleeps in the universe 6 tourney, but come time for the ToP, he refuses to participate suddenly out of nowhere, never gives a reason why, and even threatens people like Goku and Mr. Satan to try and force him. Hinting at the idea that he doesn't want to leave the universe for unknown reasons. This would set up the eventual Morro arc, and reveal that the sudden change in personality is due to the re-ermerging memories of the Grand Supreme Kai who has become aware that Morro is going to be a threat sometime in the future.
You should start writing
Yeah, and having the Grand Kai not wanting to be reminded with the other gods can mean something too
I wanna see Buu learn to maintain his super/kid forms while retaining his sanity
He doesn’t have those forms any more because he’s pure hearted now. He was separated from the other Buu’s. Only being that resides in him now is the Grand Supreme Kai. Kid Buu is reincarnated as Uub. I’d rather them take Toyotaro’s AF route and have Uub learn to maintain Kid’s power.
@@skulli5365 they showed him all slender tho, I think he could find his own pure-hearted forms
@@skulli5365 he can still have something similar like him turning somebody into chocolate and then eating them to absorb them making him more powerful
Super Buu has his sanity. It's only Kid Buu that's completely reckless and insane
Thats a good idea. Although I'd like it if even if he does retain sanity, maybe it has a drawback like he shouldn't stay in it for too long or he goes back to being crazed. Or maybe he could go into the other forms and still retain a lot of the original traits of that form. Or both
I feel bad for my boy Uub. He was my favorite character to play in BT2 but it hurts knowing how they did him dirty overall
As far as versions of Buu are concerned, I still think the best version of Buu is Buutenks. Not only does he look completely badass during his entire screen time, but he was also playing psychological mind games on Gohan in a way that was both creepy and kind of fascinating.
Honestly, I think he was the smartest version of Buu because he didn't absorb Gohan's overconfidence yet. He also presented himself in a way that made him look like the most cunning and menacing version of Buu.
Also the fusion vest he was wearing looked cool as fuck and matched with the clothes he had on which also makes him cooler.
All that changes is his outfit woopty fricking do
There is NO Buutenks. It's Super Boo Gotenks absorbed🤓
He still had gotenks confidence tho
kid buu would like a word with you
buucillo is the smartest one
It’s crazy how they make characters just for them to be stepping stones for Goku. You went into Uub alot more than what I thought about him. And you’re right, they absolutely shat all over his character when all they had to do was just no longer use him instead they embarrassed him at every chance they could get. I can’t really say I’m surprised tbh because I doubt anyone in china would want a black character anywhere near the levels of Goku.
Uub is indian
If Beerus cared about living, he would've taken care of Majin Buu, before Bibidi had used him to kill the Kais.
He cared more about his sleep than living Lols
@@cheeseburgerfreddy6350 yup lmao
yeah but dragon ball super is just a huge redcon . its as if it seems made up out of no where poor story building and ripedative
True lol but because of messed up writing they didn’t create Beerus yet abs decided to write themselves into a hole and change it with no logical explanation.
Yes
Modern Buu be like 😴😴😴😴😴😴
Especially in the tournaments.
If that had Majin Buu in TOP.
Imagine
There would have been a villain from every ark from Z helping Goku.
Piccolo
Vegeta, sayain saga.
Frieza. Namek ark.
17, 18. Android saga.
Buu, Buu saga
To be fair the cell saga is considered to be different from the Android saga
"I got it, let's put Freiza in the tournament roster!"
"But we already got buu, Goku..."
"Well then how does Freiza get to participate?"
"I dunno... maybe have him freaking absorb every fighter we can't take with us to the tournament? You know like he did in the buu arc? Golden Buu? near infinite stamina? ring any bells?"
Cell: "Are you serious? Frieza and Buu over me. I have Frieza cells, I have Vegeta cells and even your cells Goku. Let me train just like Frieza and I show you I can be your best fighter for tournament."
Goku: "Sorry who is this?"
OP
@@legendary5733 Cell is a nobody at this point. Even Piccolo could delete his ass from existence.
@@kingp260 even krillen or tien could kill him
@@kingp260 they mean a theoretical what if where cell basically does what frieza did. Barely any training was needed for frieza to go from weakling at this point to being more powerful that even the strongest form of buu. Considering that Cell has Frieza's cells, saiyan cells (and we know cell can get zenkai boosts), and piccolos cells (amazing regeneration), he theoretically has much more potential and could reach it much faster than frieza did.
"MAJIN BUU, BIG BAD BUU!!"
I love buu and all his forms. The z fighters were desperate from jump and the saga gave us many fan favorite characters and forms like Majin vegeta, ultimate Gohan, gotenks, the Ssj3 form, etc.
Also the scene where Supreme Kai realizes that saiyans are absolutely insane "who are you people?!" will never not be hilarious to me.
I like to think that Buuhan is the strongest in terms of raw power, but Kid Buu is the most unstable and dangerous.
Kid Buu was my absolutely favorite. Removed all vestiges of anything positive, just a murderous psychopath hellbent on destruction, closer to a beast than an intelligent being. His very first act, to uncerimoniously destroying Earth, without caring for Goku's plead to fight. Simply awesome.
even though he had very less screen time in GT but even that meant alot for the story narrative and him fusing with Uub didn't got wasted. Him saving Pan was so crucially important to the story. GT Buu wasn't wasted and disrespected
Him fusing with uub definitely got wasted, he was relative to baby and in the very next arc he gets his shit wrecked
Meanwhile an ssj goku does better than him against s17
@@sidecharacter3193 that was all on Uub's part. Buu did his part completely fine
Including when super 17 went basically completely unfazed by him???
Got to love the Scholar and I am with you once again.. Its so nice to hear a different Dragon bAll youtuber, you are true to what you believe and there is a huge portion of the fandom that agrees with you.
The fact that they had him asleep in both tournaments but included him in the intro sequence is obvious “Watch-bait” by Toei.
You put a fan favorite in the intro and everyone starts watching under the illusion that their favorite character will be in the Arc.
And btw, thank you for doing what Akira was never able to do up until now. You gave Vegeta the W, and you actually made it better than anyone every could
I had a dream about a year ago where Buu's status as a majin gave his form special properties, for example being immune to destruction powers and even Zeno's erase.
I feel like a creature that has existed since "time immemorial" would have a special relationship with the fabric of reality, in that his immunity to matter-neutralizing powers as well as his natural regeneration to counter more conventional powers are what made him so tough rather than direct power.
Of course, nothing of this sort was even mentioned in actual canon, but we're talking about DB here, where canon kinda sucks lol
He was created by a scientist. Hardly time immemorial
@@bro8686 I thought akira mentioned somewhere that Bibidi didn't actually create Majin Buu, he just learned to imprison him and control him (to an extent)
@@kyararos4565 you are correct. Toriyama retconned it so Buu is from time immemorial and (iirc) summoned and learned to imprison Buu by accident, leading him to believe he created Buu.
@@kyararos4565 his farther created him
Buu's evil essence always existed. Bibidi manifested his kid form.
This is great.. one of your better videos. The type that was the why in I Subscribed.. beautiful
That background music flooded into my memories bringing back so many good years
Majin Buu is a character that feels like he should be in Frieza's role. Someone introduced earlier in the series and foreshadowed as a ultimate antagonist, but Dragon Ball writing always falls short in looking ahead, often doing things at the moment then using retcons like Beerus' history to denounce some things. You can see it in this comment section, the idea of the Kais being mascaraed goes from this bone-chilling event to an act of grand incompetence, and by extension belittles Majin Buu's act. He has so much going for him, even now in Super, but it hurts knowing that until we reach Uub Majin Buu truly is and was always a vessel for the plot that has taking different forms in spite of how interesting he is.
If Buu was handled better, in the Moro Arc, he would have turned Moro into a biscuit and eat it like he did to Dabura. He's magic was superior to Moro, by that point, so, instead of trying to seal his power, just eat turn him into a candy and eat him. There were plenty of occasions, since Moro couldn't make a dent on him and was constantly caught by surprise by Buu's magic and skills.
I disagree. I think it would be better if they had Buu be more formidable and utilize his magic more in the fight, but to have buu just up and beat moro especially before we get to see moro at his fullest is just.....ehh
That wouldn't be a worthy trade. It would be anticlimactic, and we would lose good character moments and world building. Buu just turning the dude into candy and eating him would leave a bad taste in my mouth......pun intended :(
@@worthyedge9307 They could have rearranged the plot to have him be relevant towards the end, instead of having him doing anything only at the start. He was supposed to be relevant, in that arc, and yet his main role was to add details to the lore and do filler staff like stalling the enemy a bit. Even Uub was there just to give energy to Goku, it was just a bait and switch, everyone was demanding for Buu to do something other than sleep and eat since the start of the series. In the tournament of power he would have work greatly, but no, he's sleeping... only had a goofy yet unfunny fight against a furry and another bait just before the tournament.
@@diddly-squat9332 that much i agree with for the most part. They did add lore and that is a good thing, but he was so underutilized considering that they both have mystic aspects to their character and are at least loosely connected. I like how Moro was beaten overall, and I like a lot of the stuff that lead up to it, but I do wish they at least incorporated buu to have him maybe contribute to moro's defeat lol
@@worthyedge9307 Same
Nice video!
This was gold!!! The constant “kid buu is the strongest” made this even better lol
Could you imagine Buu fighting Dyspo and absorbing him? Using his power and how that could turn the tide thru the Toppo fight? If Jiren fought THAT and won, it would have led to so much more excitement when Goku and friends were able to oppose Jiren.
Agreed
“That battle was geenius”
I will forever use this pun when in-traced in DB discussion
This is my fav channel on youtube
The problem I have with super is that I don't really like the villains, mostly because half of them are not even villains like Jiren or Hit. It's not bad but I don't find it as entertaining as the Saiyan or Freezer saga. Also, Majin Buu didn't participate in the tournament of power because he would be broken and not just because of its power but just for the abilities he has, let's remember he could have just chocolate ray Jiren and he would have took it head on as with the other techniques launched at him.
It's nice that your using Goku's forgotten technique, which is telepathy and Goku can move things with his mind it's just forgotten only seen in the Frieza arc
Ot was an asspull power. He spends a month alone and gains telelenesis, but how would he know/have practiced it?
@@plantcrone9662 nope, He did use it vs vegeta on earth to tell gohan to attack vegeta I think, but I dont recall him using it in the OG DB.
Super buu was the best version of buu.I mean his human extinction attack was sick,his slow walk around the lookout was badass.
19:13 I will NEVER get tired of this moment.
I effing feel you. Uub is one of my favorite characters in all of Dragonball and that ain't happening now apparently. No ssj4 transformation, no uub, Gohan is the most wasted aspect hands down. All so disappointing. Both GT and Super wasted tf out of a lot of the best aspects of Dbz.
If it makes you feel better, Uub is still something that can happen in the canon.
I concur.
I appreciate you using the buu's fury music for this lol..
Thank you so much for speaking true facts about Majin Buu
Tien should’ve knocked out Jiren from the ring
TIEN LITERALLY HAS THE PERFECT ATTACK
The only reason I'd say Buuhan is the strongest because of scaling like how did ssj2 - ssj3 get some hits on kid Buu even Vegeta in his base and stuff and ssj1 Goku and Vegeta couldn't do anything to Buuhan but the only reason I'm not bringing in a what if ssj2 and 3 for Buuhan is because Vegito was stronger than that in his base and above, so that's why I think Buuhan is the strongest, but I think what they are trying to say is that Buuhan is the strongest transformed Buu and that kid Buu is the strongest base Buu and plus he's the original buu. At the end of all of this, the anime was just confusing and messed up by bad writing, well atleast it's not as bad as Supers power scaling lol 🤣
I think that the original absorption of the Kai's nerfed kid buu. The z fighter absorption corrected the power loss of the Kai absorption. Kid buu got weaker as he absorbed the Kai's, and evil buu knew it. That's why he separated from fat buu to become super buu after B died. Fat buu was too soft
Super power scaling is a myth. It was there in dbz also goku went from power lever 430 and in under 2years on par with frieza mam please ctfu
🧠👍🏾💯Great video sir😂
Just as a minor thought: Imagine if Fat Buu returned to his original ways during the Tornament of Power, Absorbing other fighters to gain their abilities and progressively become an even bigger menace during the whole saga.
It 'is' possible given it takes time for Buu's absorption technique to actually kill anyone as we have seen during the Super Buu encounters of DBZ, Goten, Gohan, Trunks, but even most importantly, Fat Buu were all absorbed by Super Buu to make him progressively stronger, and all survived.
So we likely could have seen a temporary resurrection of Super Buu with so many combination potentials and random abilities to make the final fight a true clash of Titans and Ideals between Buu, (Who could likely eat a quarter of the tournament), and Jiren, a fighter who always has, and forever more stood alone.
Let me explain to you why Kid Buu was justifiably the strongest. We all know about Ki, and Ki control, right? We all know about the limitations of different races as far as power goes right? If you were to merge Kid Buu's 'race' with a less powerful race, boom, his power has been "limited". He draws his power from either the universe or multiverse, but can only channel so much of it at once. The reason that Buuhan was able to demonstrate dimensional power is because he had the intelligence to leverage his vast power in ways that Kid Buu would never conceive of. It's like telling a really strong guy and a really smart guy to lift a ship. The strong guy won't be able to, but Galileo did with pulleys.
The real argument is that the Kais weakened buu with their ki to an amazing amount but that's kinda shit cuz all the Buus can be more or less power scaled to ssj3 Goku. As far as we know, goku was only confident vs fat buu and thought he could take kid buu at full power. Zenkais were never mentioned and super buu was already scaring Goku.
But if you really want to think that Buu absorbing fighters makes him weaker then go ahead and make him have one of the worst techniques in the universe lol. Only the Kais were supposed to make him weaker (tbh only one kai had that innocence to make him weaker) and Buu obviously thought he was getting stronger as he absorbed the Z fighters.
@@Trollamollex That's not what I said at all 👍
@@zg1k68 No you said something worse. You said that a race restricts Kid Buus power. That's about the worst take on Kid Buus absorb I've seen lol
@@Trollamollex So you just don't have any regard for the lore and established fusion mechanics.
@@zg1k68 Maybe you know something I don't? If you can reference it I will look it up.
They couldn’t add him in the T.O.P because he’s too op, he can turn people into candy, he can absorb people, he can regenerate too.
You should do a separate video on Ubb,u made me like his character even more after watching your content ♥️
God, the WWF references are so good... "Golddust" got me
I love Buu but ya really can't do much with him unless his opponent can use magic. Imagine to TOP but Buu is there instead of frieza. He walks up to goku and heals him back to full, zenkai boost and all. Hands down would completely eliminate the tension goku already could beat Jiren when he went MUI, it's just that his body gave out before he could finish the job and this was a goku who was already EXHAUSTED. A peak stamina goku would wipe the floor with Jiren and if he's gone the rest of the tournament would be a wash for universe 7. Hell, imagine if Buu absorbed people. You could say that he could get influenced but I'd argue he wouldn't. He absorbed a BUNCH of objectively speaking "pure hearted" people and was still a evil monster. Buu is cool, but he's way too strong against anyone who couldn't just flat out over power and defeat him instantly or could use magic themselves to maybe counter act Buu. The TOP would have to be fundamentally rewritten for Buu to work in my opinion if you wish for the stakes to still be there.
Side note, even if we ignore the tweets and just look at the show in a vacuum, Super Buu is objectively stronger. If you said more dangerous I wouldn't disagree with you, but more powerful? Wouldn't make any sense.
lol buu wouldnt even need to heal anyone. He'd solo the entire tournament of power
The grand priest would have to make a rule of making buu join whichever universes team that was losing in an attempt to make it far
buu was more useful in gt than super if i were to be honest
The buu vs Mr. Satan fight was a great addition to the arc in my opinion. It shows the bond between buu and Mr. Satan even though the buu Mr. Satan knew and bonded with was long gone, buu couldn’t touch him and was driven to agony and had to spit out fat buu thus severing any remaining restraints he had. Not to mention how pivotal Mr. Satan was to defeating kid buu.
Congrats on 100k bro
With how Tien turned out, buu could easily took his spot. Personally I would have preferred Roshi, and Tien not been involved what so ever.
Ki is able to manipulate space-time.
Both Hit and even GULDO could outright STOP time itself, yet I think we all agree Guldo isn't a universal character.
Power in Dragon Ball is very much a numbers game. Buu ripped open the TIME CHAMBER, which was made by either Kami or Mr. Popo, I don't think it's specified who exactly built the thing. Either way this just means to overcome whatever protections it has, you just need to be stronger than them, which Buu certainly is. Dragon Ball is not explained well enough to apply whatever scaling table you showed. Ki is too nebulous and capable of seemingly anything and nothing. Goku is more than capable of teleporting using his Ki, and much weaker beings, IE the Yardrat aliens that taught this to him, can do it even better. Just the fact Buu could effect space-time doesn't mean he's capable of destroying entire universes. If Buu was that powerful, he'd have destroyed the universe already rather than going from planet to planet and destroying them that way. Buu is a merciless force of destruction, if he had the power to bomb the universe, he'd just do it.
The ONLY being actually proven to be capable of destroying a universe wholesale is Zeno, as he has actually done it. Not to mention there's a host of translation errors, so that may very well be happening here. You already fell for several errors when you said Bibidi created Buu(He didn't, he FOUND Buu) and that Babidi was his son, he was actually a magic clone. Besides, since when is Goku and Vegeta an authority on dimensional mechanics?
How does he even know what's happening in this scene? How do dimensions work in Dragon Ball? It's never explained. How many tons of TnT does it take to poke holes in a dimension? None of this is defined in Dragon Ball, so we can't calculate his power on this alone. You can destroy a building, but you're not building level. You're support strut level, you can just keep destroying support struts until the house can't stand up any longer. Universal level is reserved for someone who can destroy an entire universe in one single attack. Buu does not qualify if he needs to exploit some nebulous rules and still fails to pull it off. If you flick a switch and turn off the universe, you're not universal, you're just exploiting the rules of the universe to cause it to collapse.
Basically, Buu's taking a shortcut because he's NOT strong enough to destroy the universe. One character can destroy universes at will, and characters leagues more powerful than Buu has ever been are terrified of that character.
U have the clickbaitiest titles ive seen in my life, and I love it lmfaooo
I have a sorta head canon-y idea on why Kid Buu would be the strongest, that being that maybe after he absorbed the other fighters then lost them he absorbed some of their latent power and potential enough to keep them and him being a "kid" is essentially Buu's lifecycle reset to stage 1. It'd be sorta like a stage 3 pokemon suddenly reverting back to a basic Pokemon but with super buffed stats and potential with maxxed IVs. Like Buu started new game plus. You might even call it a... Buu Game Plus.
lmao the way you talked about Uub. its so true 😭😭
i like thr pure rage in this videos
Saiyan Scholar spitting Facts Like Always 🔥
“Buuhan is Building-Level, confirmed.”
-Saiyan Scholar
That Vegeta ending gave me goosebumps ahah
"Can you *imagine* ribrianne getting turned into a chunky Kitkat?"
Don't push me to fantasize, please.
👍👍 I'm watching them all
i remembered to think about it when he said "think about it"
I have legit loved majin buu ever since i saw the first episode of him and tapion is cool sword guy
My hopes and my reactions when I saw buff majin buy before the dbs tournament had me screaming and then nothing came of it xD It would've blown my mind it already did, I totally felt blue balled by that
I like your likes.
My favorites:
3) Tien is a role model
2) Kid Buu is a strawberry cheesecake
1) Krillin is a gentleman
with Buu...His determination to learn fighting skills and draw from his potentally limitless power made him compelling ...Things like Fat Buu using Instant transmission Head Butt on SS3 Goku ...Resisting to kneel on the ground from the beat down of Ultimate Gohan...Going full Screaming Dimensional Breaker mode when fighting Vegeto...Or resisting the Super Duper Spirit Bomb as Kid Buu....I Loved it all...
Buu is the epitome of "the character as the main villan vs when you unlock him as a character"
Kid Buu was like the definition of black air force and black timberland energy lol
Wait, I haven’t seen the boo arc in YEARS but is he actually a genie?! His pants make me think that’s not a joke xD
I actually predicted buu would fall asleep for the tournament. For some reason I knew he was too OP to let compete for plot reasons
Majin Buu was once a horrifying monster, a demon of pure terror, he was a pure chaos incarnate and defied all sense of logic and now he’s just wasted background character
Did you use Legacy of goku 3 bground music? On start of vid
YES! Vegeta getting the love and respect he finally DESERVES!
Hey android 19 was dope, along with 20. It was just a shame they didn't stay longer.
Majin Buu potential even surpasses the Saiyans.
I think including freiza was a good idea, so he could have his moment with frost, toppo, and goku. Which are some of my favorite scenes in super.
"KID BUU IS A GODDAMN STRAWBERRY CHEESECAKE."
Selling Boo food from chocolate beaming everyone in the tournament would be a good alternative to pallet swap green deep sea saiyan.
I wonder how many hours this takes to watch with ads I got the premium and love this entire thing but probably wouldn’t make it watching ads.
Would have been fun if Goku went to HFIL to recruite Freiza, gets partway through his pitch, then notices Bobbity and immediately ditches Freiza and makes his offer to Bobbity instead asking him to use his spell to wake Buu up for the tournament.
Buu going from the universes biggest threat with the best hax in db history too a background character is the most toriyama thing I've ever witnessed
Unfortunely, disgraceful for the fat buu fans out there.
I see u using that Legacy of Goku music👀😳