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Could A B-52 "Arc Light" Raid Have Sunk The Battleship Tirpitz? (Naval Vid 57) | DCS
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Now do laser guided from 35,000ft or just show what a modern anti-shipping missile attack would do! :D
They have already done it!!! Typhoons and F-35B v The Channel Dash. The RAF won that one!!!
LRASM would turn any ship in a wreck very quickly...
Did that here, worked perfectly: czcams.com/video/kQU5iS-sn6E/video.html
Hit it with BLU-109/BLU-116-based GBU-24s. Too bad they probably don’t have the GBU-28 or GBU-37 in DCS.
Most modern asms are programmed to hit the ship against the belt, and that wouldnt do critical damage. There is a novel series where kirov goes back in time and for best results the asms need to be reprogrammed for a plunging attack
They are still using salvaged armor plates from the Tirpitz to cover road work in my city. Got an supposedly original one outside my house. (Marked OVF). They say it is from the inner armor around the weapons storage. 5 Cms thick, and absolutely unbeliveably massive.
Literally beat a sword into a plowshare...
@@nocount7517 a broken sword that had been underwater for years by the time they started to salvage it.
On a similar subject a lot of WW2 shipwreck steel is used for precision engineering and scientific instruments, as it was all high-quality steel that was already processed and then ended up underwater before the first atomic tests. After the first nukes were detonated a lot of the world's sources of metals were contaminated very very slightly, but steel from sunken battleships was largely preserved.
@@marmite8959 the problem is not that modern metals are comtaminated, it's because modern smelters use ambient air contaminated with residual radioactivity that the steel produced is no longer pure.
It's not the ores, it's the air.
ah so cool
@@carlosandleon ah gotcha, always confused me that bit
Now I wanna see C-130s dropping MOABs to recreate the Tallboy bombing 👀
nice
MOPs would probably be more effective.
Wouldn’t be very interesting, just a single C-130 dropping a bomb and wrecking a bit of a city.
I think moabs are air blast, not penetrators.
Fun fact. My friend moved to Norway, and lives at Alta fjord the first place Tirpitz was hidden. Her and her husband have a summer cabin built on German foundations for Tirpitz defence from the war. Tirpitz was moved to another fjord later where she was sunk.
GERMANS REFERRED THEIR SHIP'S AS MALES NOT FEMALES
@@CRAIGKMSBISMARCKTIRPITZ533 That's incorrect. A few ships were referred to as male, the majority female.
@@CRAIGKMSBISMARCKTIRPITZ533 the only time a german ship was refered as a he was by Bismarck's captain and the majority of Bismarck's crew still refered to the ship as "her" much to the captain's irritation.
'Stupid and unrealistic' is exactly what we love!
What’s insane is that what used to take dozens of bombers and hundreds of men and thousands of bombs to hit a target now takes a single plane with 1-2 men and less bombs you can count on one hand.
I can count as few as 1 on my hand. How do you do it with less than 1?
@@willyjimmy8881 with less than one bomb? By using missiles lol
@@willyjimmy8881
You hit it right on the edge of the deck so it slices the bomb in half longitudinally, and the half that goes in sinks the ship. It takes a lot of practice, and then you have to justify the cost of the wasted half to the bean counters.
What is even crazier is when you realize a B-17 has almost the same payload as a F-15E
The b52s seemed to be in a trail formation better for hitting one target while the b17s seemed to be in an area bombing formation.
In regard to the cannons pointing up. Perhaps the rear of the barrels is heavier thanks to the loading mechanisms so that once damaged or destroyed the weight in the rear drops and raises the barrels up. My 2 cents.
The rear of the barrels is certainly heavier, as they're not cast in a perfectly cylindrical shape (the bore is, of course, a perfect cylinder) because the barrel needs to be stronger at the breech end, which means more material. Inside the turret, each barrel is held - with the breech and other worky gubbins - in a cradle which is elevated by a hydraulic mechanism. So there's almost certainly more mass behind the 'pivot' on each barrel and cradle assembly (in practice, both barrels in the turret are often coupled, but it's not going too far to suggest that can be broken, too), and if the hydraulics lose fluid pressure, then it follows that control of elevation is lost, and it comes to rest in the extreme elevated position.
Its actually due the the hydraulics. If they fail when a turrets knocked out (which is post likely) then, as you said, the weight of the breech is more than that of the barrel and that's why you see pictures of ships with knocked out turrets with their guns at max elevation.
Yeah. The back of the gun is extremely heavy and they were designed like that because its more stable if its balanced with the breech side being slightly more heavy.
If you watch the premiere naval Historian and engineer on CZcams, Drachinfel. The Bismark class was noted for having particularly bad and ineffective AA for its class. As you can see by the numerous raids against her with no airplanes lost to the ship. But with B-52 flying outside the altitude envelope of the AA defenses, at 3x the speed, with nearly a 100% hit rate due to avionics.
Arc Lights are three B-52, using 500 and 1000 lb bombs, destroying everything in an area 2 miles long and 1 mile wide.
I'd say yes, an Arc light strike can destroy a Battleship.
There is nohing-save a Saturn 5 launch-that can compare.
Not quite. A single B-52D carried 84 500-lb Mk-82 bombs in the bomb bay and 24 750-lb Mk117 bombs under the wing. The area of the damage was 500 feet by 3000 feet. We dropped form 38000 feet in 3-ship formation. Personal experience.
As to Hood. Drachinifel had a very good analysis of just what happened to the Hood in the past year. He surmises that Hood got hit below the main armor belt from a shell that hit just short. Also the area where Hood likely caught the golden BB would have a deep trough in the bow wave along the side of the ship. I think the video is titled HMS Hood, what happened. When Prince of Wales went in for repairs after Demark Strait one of Bismarck's shells was found deep inside POW hull. A shell that had likely hit just far enough from the ship that the shell flipped end for end and the fuse was damaged preventing the shell from detonating.
Thanks!
Fantastic practice session for the GR's synchronized crash demonstration team
It was somewhat balletic.
lol
That B17 strike was unbelievably accurate...
though I have my doubts that a 500lbs bomb would do that much damage to a battleship. They were built to take hits from 14" guns, those shells make a Mk82 look like a fire cracker.
agree
My great-uncle was a navigator on the raid that finally sank the Tirpitz. Maybe his aircraft was the one that dropped the single bomb that was on target, but I think every aircrew on that mission claimed it ;)
Awsome!
We need to see some Iowa class battleships! Especially in 1980s configuration!
Outside of carriers, a broadside from a WW2 Battleship would destroy any vessel today. A cruise missle would barely damage one. The Missouri was designed to fire up to 24,000 pounds of artillery in one Salvo and it was designed to take fire. Not a full Salvo, but Turpitz like the Mighty MO had a tonne of armor.
Hard to say what would have happened if Tirpitz went one on one with Mighty Mo. Mo had the bigger broadside but - no disrespect to American gunnery meant - the Kriegsmarine had some mighty fine pie-chuckers
To save googling, how would the speeds have compared?
“It’s hard to actually sink a battleship”
US Naval Aviation - laughs in Yamato and Musashi
Or ask the English battleship repulse and Prince of Wales No air cover Japanese sent them down to the bottom
The sinking of those battleships involved hundreds of attackers. Both suffered multiple bomb and torpedo hits, to sink them. Yamato was actually easier to sink, because the torpedo bombers concentrated on one side of the ship, and flooding made her capsize. Musashi was torpedoed on both sides, and sank, on an even keel.
@@ronaldfinkelstein6335 true, my point in identifying US Naval Aviation was the tactics, when they went after Tirpitz they high altitude bombed which back then meant if you hit the right city a building was in, you were “on target” and that still involved hundreds of attackers
Open sea vs enclosed fjord with land based defences, torpedo nets, lots of clouds, smoke and a fighter base nearby.
Just started watching the beginning of this video.
The way you described it, I was beginning to suspect the TIRPITZ did not sink at first was she had previously _run aground,_ and was already sitting on the bottom...😊
Wow this is indeed the case of an irresistible force meeting an immovable object! Kind of like Thor bringing his hammer down on Captain America's shield!
One winged flat spin: "I wonder if you could trim that out"? lol You're killin' me!
I witnessed several arc light strikes from the ground during my first tour. The ones I saw flew in single file, or near single file, separated by a mile or two. I didn't see the impacts, just the the bombers flying over. They were always in groups of three. They were so high, they were just specks and contrails to the naked eye, but you could see their distinctive shape through binocs in the day, just dim lights in threes at night. The first time I heard one I thought it was a minor earthquake and an incredibly deep rumble, almost inaudible. I had to ask people what it was. The enemy POWs were terrified of arc light. Out of hundreds of POWs I talked to, there only one or two who had experienced an arc light. I don't think enemy units survived an arc light hit. The survivors would flee in panic, and it took a year for them to reappear on our order of battle books and maps. I think you would have done better against the Tirpitz if you had flown the bombers in single file. Thanks for the spectacle and the entertainment, and the always witty narration from Cap.
Well done sir and thank you.
I always love any mission that includes the B-52
Some body really has to mod a B-52G in 1960's SAC colours with a big nuke like a Mark 17 or 24 H Bomb....with Major Kong Riding one of them. Would be fooking Brilliant.
That first bomb grouping was insanely good for wwII tech. Maybe the 0 wind part haha.
You can try it with external "Heavy Stores Adapter Beams" on "AGM-28" pylons under the wings with two "Clip In Assemblies" in the bomb bay. That would allow each BUFF to carry 20 each Mk84 2000lb. bombs. Screw a MXU-735 solid nose cap on them and tail fuse them with a FMU-139 set for a 10 or 25 millisecond detonation delay. That should make up a pretty serious load for sinking pocket battleships! By the way, you're shorting yourself one B-52. A standard BUFF formation is a "cell" of three aircraft, giving you nine aircraft.
Anyway, thanx for all of these 'what if' simulations you guys post. I really get a kick out of them!👍
The B-17 bombardier used the top-secret Norden bombsight, which was connected to the autopilot, to fly the plane during the bombing run. The Norden never lived up to its expectations for accuracy.
Pickle barrel from 20,000 ft. lucky to get within a mile .
@@blainesitter9110 just gotta make the pickle barrel bigger
Love the detail right down to the smokyness of the BUFFs engines
The plural of Tirpitz is Tirpi, as in, "Men, we're off the bomb a fleet of Tirpi." Also, I just watch these vids for the narration.
I really hope they release a F4 as well, cannot wait to see you do vietnam missions, especially all those old school dumb bombing, so much more interesting than just put the thing on the thing and pull the trigger like it is nowadays
Those de Havilland Mosquitos are some awesome planes.
I'm humming the theme from 633 Squadron to give you good vibes during your attack on Tirpitz Cap.
cool
The b52 should of been high enough to avoid being hit. Also a flight of b52 bombs can almost equal the power of a tactical nuke. Further arc lights attack general where done from 35k and took out whole grid squares
Somewhere in Trömso, they have some of the steel hull plates from Tirpitz that they use as temporary roads. I was supposed to go to Tromso in nov to do some whale watching but had covid probs.
Awesome
Honestly the maneuvering pre-second bombing run is closer to what WW2 bomber pilots would do on approach. In theory if you switched your altitude and direction 3000 feet? every 30-45 seconds you would essentially avoid the incoming AAA fire.
As a valued viewer, I indeed prize my boom boom.
roger noted
I keep coming back to this one Capt.
Its the same as when you take out a tank. Essentially the hydraulics break and the guns elevate. Doesn't happen all the time based on alot of things ( seizings, etc), but that's the basic way I learned about this in AOBC and AAC many many moons ago...
I had the pause the video because I didn’t realize it took so much effort to sink one battleship, so I looked up what it took to sink the Yamato. 3 waves of up to 280 aircraft (targeting multiple vessels though), 11 torpedoes, and up to 15 bombs. Yeah, sinking battleships is hard.
Synchronized crashing!
If it were a Japanese battleship, just drop a flaming book of matches on it.....the ensuing fire will soon be out of control resulting in the inevitable scuttling of the dreadnaught. Their damage control left a lot to be desired.
As an Azur Lane player you saying “do Turpitz” had a very different meaning to me
Smoke comes from the water injection used to increase thrust.
Vietnam Era B-52, probably G models would have both TACAN and ground mapping radar. The would terrain follow and dropping bombs at 500 feet ASL at 600 mph with retarding fins aka snake-eyes They would use M117 750lb bombs internally. They can actually drop bombs at faster speeds at lower levels than both the F-16 and F-18. By the time, they were detected by AAA, it would be too late, in and out in 30-60 seconds.
Oh man, fun and entertaining video, thanks!
@4:50 Now there's a competition sport that will not take off, synchronized crashing.
First 15 second of flying
“im missing a wing”
“hmmm i wonder if you could trim that out…”
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Suggestion: “Could _________ save the troops at Dunkirk?”
Stipulation: Massive storms in the North Atlantic and North Sea have combined to make the English Channel impassable for small craft. Only the largest ships are available to evacuate troops.
Goals:
1.) More troops must be evacuated than were in history.
2.) To accomplish this, the ships must be protected, as well as the troops still trapped on the beach.
3.) Blunting/destroying German attacks and reinforcements from the air will be key.
4.) Any German aircraft which attack the beach must also be dealt with.
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Refinements: if the Germans break through and the day is lost, WW2 goes badly for the Allies… so rerun with more current aircraft and weapons. Alternately, using modern aircraft but period tactics and weapons, try and defend. If fail, use more recent/refined tactics and weapons. Could be a grand tour of aircraft, too, if they leap forward upon reset as well.
Just had a thought… imagine not just defending the troops, but winning the battle! Destroy enough German military to prevent WW-2! A deep strike by B-2s might be necessary… to Berlin and Back (bombing a certain person’s bunker). Heck, bring nukes.
The B-52 first strike turned the crew into jelly........
The maximum elevation of the 38cm main guns on Tirpitz and Bismarck was 30 degrees, so if the game was including those in the AA, it's VERY inaccurate. Bismarck used her main guns during the attack by the Swordfish, but they were firing horizontally trying to knock down the torpedo bombers with the shell splash.
4:55 "You got a hole in your left wing!"
MOP[Massive Ordinance Penetrator] bombs would have been more appropriate. They are 30,000 pound bombs, intended like Tallboys to penetrate the earth deeply, before detonating. While the B-2 is their designated carrier aircraft, the B-52 was used in test drops.
nice
Bombs going off in water beside the ship uses the density of water to increse the shock wave to the hull. This results in massive hull damage buckled plates and ribs blown inward. I do not see this effect in this scenario. Probably not in DCS physics.
The water doesn't necessarily increase shock but what does happen is during the explosion the water cavitates and evacuated which puts huge amounts of additional stress on the hull in addition to the blast .
Yes and no - The explosion will direct the path of least resistance
The explosion will funnel its force upwards as that is the easiest pressure release - Your point is true only if the bomb is closer to the ship than the surface of the water
Not sure if the depth of water and mud diminished the shockwave effect.
@@Dr.Westside You literally said yes and no in the same sentence. Cavitation is a shockwave in a fluid and the water increases shock because it is there. lol
I wonder how that would apply to a WW2 heavy battle cruiser like these, though. Certainly, tougher along the hulls than any of today's ships. Jus' sayin'
Yes. We love our boom boom here. Awesome video!
noted.
B17's : bombs hurhurhurr
Mosquito : i'm helping !
lol
They kept it damaged enough to prevent it from sortying out on a mission. And there ability to handle major repairs in the fjord we're very limited
Who was flying the escort fighters. USAAF P-51s? Spits off of a carrier? I wouldn't think that the Spits had the range unless they could stage out of the Shetlands or maybe the Faroes.
you should try it with all of its defensive emplacements surrounding it i am pretty sure it had Flak as well as Smoke generators to protect it from air strikes
It had recently moved, and the smoke generators hadn't been set up yet when 617 attacked. There were no fighters either - the Luftwaffe hadn't been told the ship had moved. ISTR this meant the fighters went to the wrong fjord, and by the time they got to the right location, the Lancasters were gone.
Tried to get some smoke working but looked terrible.
Idea: “Can anything sink the USS Texas?”
Answer: no, nothing short of dropping the sun on it twice can be even close.
or… well… not keeping up with repairs. God damn the decision makers in austin 😩
Was that not the USS Nevada?
🤣 that must be why there were on and off reports about leaks
The chuck Norris of battleships eh?
@@jacquesmouton1339 USS New York, Texas' sistership was also present at Operation Crossroads.
I died when he said Lancaster wrong lol
Your Arc light Raid using Mk 82 slicks will wreck the upper decks but not do anything to the armoured citadel. The deck the bombs hit first is 50 mm thick and 2 decks lower is a 120mm deck protecting the vitals. This would take a BLU 109 or BLU 116 both of which are hardened weapons described as concrete busters, The WW2 AP bombs had thicker walls and less explosive.
I feel bad for the German ace, can’t remember his name, who was part of the nearby Luftwafe squadron that was blamed and imprisoned for failing to defend the Tirpitz even though they had no advanced warning of the incoming bombers and had no chance to take out the bombers in time. Germany just wanted someone to blame.
Heinrich Ehrler
Having driven ships through fjords I can tell you they are very deep- mountain sides keep going straight down at the same angle 📐🥸 mega vid as always 🙏
It’s not true that B17s couldn’t bomb through cloud cover. At this point in the war they did have access to AN/APS radar which gave them the ability to bomb through cloud cover. It wasn’t super effective but it was most effective when bombing along a coast line because it could most clearly delineate between water and ground so it seems like it would have been at least kind of effective if used in this situation
ED needs to hire just one decent ML engineer to redo all the AI in this game.
Direct turret hits break the inner workings and support of the guns inside the turret. Without these supports, this allows the guns to fall back to their highest elevation, even higher than they might normally be able to actually do. This happens because the guns are weighted with the rear of the gun being out of balance with the front, to help aid in elevation.
Could you guys post some sort of video or a list somewhere that shows all the available official AI Units including Ground, Air, and Naval assets and mod AI units that work well.
Man, thats a LOT of dead fish.
Given that an Arc Light cell of three B-52 Big Belly bombers, each carrying 84 M117 Demolition bombs, could cover an area the length and width of the Mall in Washington DC from the Capitol to the Lincoln Memorial, there is no doubt that they would score multiple hits on a target the size of the Tirpitz, especially with the benefit of radar bombing. But whether this would suffice to sink the Tirpitz is another matter. The M117 is a demolition bomb, intended for soft targets, and even when dropped from altitude, would not be able to penetrate the armored decks of the German battleship. For that, they would have to be armed with armor piercing bombs, with thick casings and reinforced noses to punch through amor, and delay time fuzes to detonate the bomb deep within the ship. Unfortunately, in the period 1968-1972, the U.S did not have any AP bombs in inventory. Any hits from M117s or Mk.82 500-lb low drag general purpose bombs, would succeed in tearing the superstructure to shreds and cause serious damage to secondary armament and anti-aircraft guns. This would be a mission kill but the ship's vitals would have remained intact. After superficial repairs, she probably could have sailed under her own power back to Germany.
I'm pretty sure the B-52's would've never been hit, I don't believe their AA would calculate their much faster speed accurately. Kind of like they couldn't handle the very slow speed of the Bi-wing torpedo bombers.
But it is kinda funny though.
Sweet! So after lunch is going to be awesome!
They're gonna have you guys teaching at the Air Academy with flying like that! Way To Go RC and Cap! Strike Pilots Make History!
at about 7:10 "what are we bombing?" he asked after release. NICE.
I think the biggest fail was to not turn around the statue on the mantle towards the wall in the officers club before takeoff.
"Mehhhmories...faded pictures of our minds."
Wasn't that from "Twelve O'Clock High"? I can see it, but I can't remember the movie for sure.
@@tombeers3489 lol. Yes. I wondered who would pick up on it.
@@heeder777 Now for a pop culture B-52 reference. I am pretty sure you'll get this one pretty quick.
"Well, boys, we got three engines out, we got more holes in us than a horse trader's mule, the radio is gone and we're leaking fuel and if we was flying any lower why we'd need sleigh bells on this thing... but we got one little budge on them Rooskies. At this height why they might harpoon us but they dang sure ain't gonna spot us on no radar screen!"
We do love boom boom, thanks Cap!
Can confirm:
Boom boom is appreciated tremendously!
Duly noted.
The collision in the beginning of the video made the Mosquito's look like they were doing some Seventies dance moves.
I like to see an Anti-ship missile on battleship.
Form smallest to biggest missile please.
You’ll need a pretty big missile to punch through belt armour that is 1 foot thick of hardened steel plate,
That false start was hilarious
Im pretty sure the elevated barrells after disabling, is the counterweights that aided the hydrailics in elevating the massive weight of the barrels. Once the hydraulics have been damaged and lost pressure, the counterweights pull the barrels up.
thx
If you do enough damage to the upper works it might not sink, but it will be combat ineffective.
MOABs vs. Yamato and Bismarck. MOAB all of the things!!!!
agree
Yes more, could 100 string bags decimate a carrier?
I don't think the AI gunners would make the lead mistakes the real ones did.
@@No1sonuk So you know as well sweet bro!
Cap likes to fly close formation and play with his instruments
You guys ever thought about re creating operation chastise? I know its a bit of a tall(boy) order but how about dumping some sort of skip bomb out of a C130...or even an AC130 (just for shits and giggles)
Or maybe harpoon missiles from A10s?
Aside from that watching Spookies manoeuvring down those German valleys dropping angel flares over the Mohner Dam would be phuquing awesome!!
Good idea
During the Vietnam war the A-6 Intruder attack jet carried more bombs than the B-17 did during WW2.
The A-6 alone could have sunk the Tirpitz easy.
I really doubt the A-6 intruder would be able to sink the Tirpitz. It was eventually sunk when hit by 12,000lb bombs dropped by 617 & 9 Squadrons. The RAF tried twice with the Lancaster bombers but the Germans filled the Fjord with smoke generators and blanketed the Tirpitz in smoke so the Lancasters couldn't see the ship.
Well a bit unfair to the B17 as they flew in a area bombing formation and the B52 was collected in a pair line formation...
So the B17 bombs will hit less but over larger area, wile the B52 are dropped in line after each other as such be more accurate..
Think you need to give the B17 a new chance to prove them self... ( and give them a pair line formation )
My guess why the B52 started to do a 360 decent turn before dropping bombs, you change altitude on aircraft but didn't change altitude on target waypoint ( the drop point )
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There was more than 1 tallboy raid. I think one bomb caused a lot of damage by exploding on or undet the seabed, and undermining where the hull was resting on the bottom.
You are right!
The first tallboy raid happend when Tirpitz was anchored in atla fjord: one bomb hit beetween Bruno and Stb I 15cm destroying that turret, went all the way trough the keel then detonated. The damage was so severe that the ship almost got its bow broken off and could not do more than 5kts!
The second raid took place near Narvik were Tirpitz was towed to serve as a floating battery. 2 bombs hits and near misses flooded the ship and it capsized with almost 1k casualties.
Both raid were from 617 squadron "The dambusters".
@@fredericlepeltier3435 Great history lesson!!
Large artillery guns have counterweights driven by hydraulics when the hydraulics fail the counterweights point the guns up
Ive been wondering how the AI would handle an accurate mismatch between early us fighters and Japanese fighters where the us fighters stuck to the thach weave. Which us fighters would prevail and which would fail?
"What was going through their little minds?"
Likely some form of beep beep boop
01110101000111100?
I rather doubt the 15 inch guns were doing anything for AA fire, vs the 5" (or so) dedicated AA guns. Supposedly the Japanese battleships had "Beehive" rounds to shotgun incoming fighter squadrons, but don't know if they had any useful effect.
And the answer to your question is no they did not.
Big BoomBoom, GOOD!
Fjords are deep.
But where Tirpitz sank was so shallow it couldn't sink completely. When it capsized, the superstructure buried itself in the mud.
@@No1sonuk True. But the comment was 'Fjords are shallow'. But they are not. Far from it.
with so many bombs exploding in the water around the ship during the B17 raid, couldn't that sink the boat by taking away or greatly reducing the buoyancy of the water? Maybe sink it long enough to flood compartments before it bobbed back up?
The water is only displaced
That was GOOD ! Thumbs UP. 😎 ✈✈
"Bomb all the water out of the fjord and beech her that way" lmao
Is the Yamato modelled in DCS? I’d like a 1940, optimised and then modern. I think a couple of laser guided bunker busters through her decks would do it. If they can be dropped through the funnel stacks - game over.
Yes it is as is the Musashi
I love the whole GR crew but I really love just the Super Cap & RC video's. Poor RC puts up with so much Cap nonsense with such aplomb. Hoorah that man!
After the bombs get released..... RC: What are we bombing btw? 🤣 Classic Grim Reapers stuff!.
lol yup
Right up my bomb bay, wait what? love the BUFF, thank you! vvvvv
I suspect if the B17s had been given a clear view of the target then the Norden bombsight would have landed many more bombs on the ship. Possibly enough to sink it.
rgr
500 ibers wouldn't penetrate armour so surface explosions no major damage but secondaries destroyed or damaged.
@@muzzmac160 Thanks. Now I know!
Great video.