A simple idea for making a worm gear from a tap drill thread on a lathe
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I worked at a company that built gear cutting machines sold internationally so I got a real kick out of this.
Same basic principal .
Thank you very much for this compliment sir
It's called free hobbing I used to do this in the 1970s
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ماشاء اللہ ماشاء اللہ بہت خوب اللہ پاک آپ کو کامیابیوں سے نوازے آمین دعاؤں کی درخواست
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As other comments say, this is not any sort of precision gear. But on top of that, how do you insure there are an integer number of teeth on the full circle, exactly?
Online gear calculator or machinery's handbook
Serious skull sweat involved in getting the threads to stay aligned as the circle is completed. Diameter needs to be a precise multiple of the thread pitch.
I can’t say I ever seen this done on a manual . I’m impressed but that is way too close to those jaws . 👍👍
That just something u don't see every day,maybe add some cutting oil
You are absolutely correct, thank you sir
You could have actually used the cylindrical grinding machine to grind the gear easily. Nice work though 👍.
Это не может заменить червячную пару. При большой нагрузке винт, который будет в роли червяка, просто сотрется очень быстро или вовсе потянет резьбу. Все таки у болта резьба работает не на трение, а на сдвиг и сразу всей длиной. Но на основе такой пары вполне можно сделать редуктор для невысокой нагрузки и непостоянной работы. Скажем, ворота пару раз в день открыть-закрыть, или небольшой груз поднимать изредка. В общем, схема хорошая и применение может найти.
Ты абсолютно прав
Спасибо, сэр
@@AmazingTechnology1 я такое делал лет 35 назад, но по бронзе и диаметр был порядка 40мм. Не помню уже. Я переделывал мотор-редуктор дворников на фольксваген пассат В3. Там сожрало шестерню пластиковую. Оси дворников закисли, мотор тянет, тяжело ему, в итоге несколько зубьев просто срезало. Но там вся хитрость в том, что на этой шестерне выемки были, контакты, я уже не помню точно, и повторить это я не мог уже. Я точил кольцо с такими импровизированными зубьями, накатку изнутри сделал, шестерню проточил и напрессовал этот бронзовый венец. Он прекрасно держал нагрузку за счёт хорошей острой накатки внутри. Переделывать пришлось и конец вала двигателя, там же родной червяк уже не годился. В общем, было работы много. Б/у мотор-редуктор, оригинальный, стоил 140 долларов. Для меня дорого. Вот провёл такой эксперимент. Но дворники после этого двигались уже медленнее, шаг то более мелкий, а обороты те же. Приходилось использовать чаще ускоренный режим, чтобы компенсировать этот эффект. Но главное, что после очистки и смазки осей привода и установки туда подходящих резиновых колечек для уплотнения от воды, все работало нормально. И я так долго ездил, пока наконец купил новый узел. И таки да, я не сэр, я товарищ... Работяга родом из СССР, механик наладчик. Сэры - они все там, очень высоко.... 🤣✋✋✋
Спасибо, сэр
Это тоже воспаление цепной копии🤝🤝🤝👍
Метчики бывают трапециодальные они лучше подойдут для таких работ
@user-oi4wi5or9f Ты прав
Спасибо
I used to cut nut threads the same way. Just set the lathe to the right pitch, set the right depth for the particular thread and let it go through once, and it is done. I made hundreds of threads without needing the grind/replace the carbide insert in a single point tool. I was making M70x1.5 threads.
Die ganze Maschine vibriert sehr stark, sollte einmal revidiert werden. Damit kann man nicht präzise Werkstücke anfertigen!
Been machining for 14 years and I've never seen anything like this. Amazing!
thank you Sir
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Masha Allah.. fantastic metodi ✌️
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Супер! Браво маэстро!
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very....very clever...well done
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Awesome Idea❤❤❤❤
Use a tap for an acme thread and you get something more like a traditional worm gear.
now i have seen it all.a very smart man to come up with this.larry in INDIANA USA
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I'am from Pakistan
Genius machinist.
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This proceedure was illustrated in an old popular mechanics shop notes.
Vari good yar
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Isso sim é um bom profissional
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Amigo ¡ EXCELENTE CORONA !
Hope you don't get your sleves caught in the lathe
Very clever, the pcd would need to be exact on the blank, how did you calculate that?
If you divided the circumference by the pitch and you have no decimals after the comma, then you have achieved it.
pitch x number of teeth = circumference / 3.14159 = diameters
Very very nice job ustad 👍
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Baahut acha kam kiya janab
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Se uzează tarodul .
Felicitări !
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No long sleeve coat when running a lathe very dangerous
What makes the wheel turn? Gracias.
Salut super technique bravo Île de la Réunion
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А как рассчитать диаметр колеса относительно метрического шага резьбы и необходимого количества зубьев????
Мы делаем сметы
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@@AmazingTechnology1 что за сметы??? Расчеты наверное??? ,,Вот и вопрос как рассчитать диаметр по шагу метчика ? А то что вы это как-то делаете ,это и ежу понятно..,,,видимо кто-то давным давно вумный это просчитал и вы пользуетесь его расчетами..
@@user-gn7vg8im1q а что там сложного? Длину окружности дели на шаг резьбы, должно получится целое число
Ты прав
Спасибо, сэр
It’s not that hard if you know basic machining math.
1. Look at the “thread” around the gear as a flat surface; you need exact diameter at the center to do this.
2. You will need the exact pitch of the tap being used to proceed.
3. Divide the diameter of the gear blank by the pitch, adjust the blank diameter until you get the exact number of teeth required to go around the blank and the next tooth lines up perfectly to the next groove on the gear.
Muito bom👍👍
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É bom demais, Raimundo !
Amazing great perfect work
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Good work bro
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Условия нагрузки при работе колеса могут позволить эксплуатации пары. Меня смущает другое, скорость вращения метчика, а масло для его охлаждения не подаётся. Метчик долго не выдержит.
Long sleeves is a no-no around rotating machinery.
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Thanks for sharing
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Bom dia qual o diâmetro da engrenagem do macho que você está usando obrigado
gracias Señor
C'est le même diamètre que le taraud qui sert d'outil pour l'usinage (environ 20-30mm).
Le problème est de retomber dans le pas au premier tour de la roue lorsqu'il trace un repère avec une craie blanche.
It’s a good idea, but you can tell that at the end of his machining, the threads are not matching when it reaches a complete circle. He lost sight that the workpiece has to be a specific diameter in order for the pitch of the thread will match the circumference. Otherwise, he’s not going to get complete threads all the way around.
Good 👍👍👍👍👍👍 Work
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The worm form would be as the tap, not a gear, because you would have no ramp on or off.
Very nice 👍
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очень хорошо сделано...класс
Спасибо за лайк видео сэр
Ерунда.
Some oil on the work would have been nice. That chatter tells stories!
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My thoughts, exactly.....No Cutting Oil? (wtf)
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Qual o diâmetro da engrenagem e o macho é de medida
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Thanks so much Sir 🌹
Good work brother
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Amazing job
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干切,不加水啊?
Beautiful ...
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Все, что тут так красиво представлено, к машиностроению никакого отношения не имеет.
Peut être mais en tout cas chapeau je trouve cela très ingénieux, comme l'a constaté quelqu'un l'huile de coupe n'a pas l'air d'être un souci majeur, ça coûte pourtant cher un taraud peut être qu'il travaille une matière très tendre, mais bon très ingénieux je me répète.
I have done this in the past and found it important to end up with large enough thread engagement to work reliably, otherwise there might be problems with both engagement and life expectancy.
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very nice idea.
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Belíssimo trabalho.
Obrigado senhor
I'd Fire him using a 3 jaw chuck to hold a tap Also a dead center is OK but to maintain little as possible runout a quality live center is better.
Also Bar holding Hubbed gear should be reinforced to stop that horrible sping ing of the support bar..
Thank you sir you are right
Is it practically feasible and economical and what's arrangement made to rotate the gear blank to rotate not clear.
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Please write in English language.
Bearings are fitted in the gear unit.
thank you sir
I would very much like to see the worm that corresponds to that wheel.
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I've seen several vids showing this process. Would like to see how to cut the gear that engages with it?
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A bolt the same as the tap is all you would need to drive this gear.
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Этот токарь когда то намотает свою юбку на ведущий вал супорта..
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Sir how much load can it handle sir can you please tell me
Worm gear can carry enough load thanks
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Nice work
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Very good
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You have to have the diameter of the worm gear blank exactly correct for the pitch of the thread, called the circular pitch, or else as the worm gear rotates the threads won’t cut in the same place -they will double cut -and ruin the gear teeth
You are correct
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EXACTLY! He is just hogging off material.
@bogywankenobi3959 Steel Thanks
I’ve tried this method several times and it never works. Because the diameter of the blank is bigger than the circular pitch diameter as soon as the cutter connects the surface it will try to cut the number of teeth to suit that diameter. I have been gear cutting for over70 years and always use a dividing head and fly cutters which I make with the aid of a slide projector converted to a shadow graph. Amusingly my workshop is not big enough to get a 50:1 magnification so everything is drawn to a scale of 27.5 just to add spice to the working day.
This is not a bad idea per se. But it is being executed wrong. Let me see if I can explain in words what I mean . . . When he is finished the center of the tap, or the axis of the tap, will be at (one of) the correct distance(s) from the center of the worm wheel. What he needs to do is start with the worm wheel (and thus the cross slide) already at its final position but with the worm wheel off to the right of the end of the tap. Then bring the wheel into the end of the tap until it starts turning under the influence of the tap. After a few rotations of the worm wheel, he could move the worm wheel to the left a little more and thus allow the tap to start cutting a little deeper. After a few more revolutions he again moves the wheel "deeper" into the end of the tap and keep this up until the wheel is being cut from the center of the tap. If the tap starts along the line that it will end up on, this method could work.
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Always be sure to wear loose fitting clothing and long sleves while working with heavy machinery.
Also don’t forget the OSHA approved Safe-T sandals.
Trabalho a 20 anos na usinagem , nunca vi tão igual
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I have to ask you or any of you how do you figure out the size of the blank to start with,,, ?
I need to make one that will have 16 teeth and every time I try the teeth doesn't match up and cuts over the teeth it just made.
Any help would really help me,,, thanks
Also the teeth are 1.5mm apart
No idea, sorry
Never heard about cutting oil...?
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What is a tap gear thread?
Congratulations you made a gear no one can use ⚙️
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He gave us engineers IDEAS we can use.
@@Will-yk6qr Thank you sir
I suppose this would be done before heat treatment/ case hardening? Probably a silly question.
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Yes, it would be ......BUT .....the material must be "heat-treatable" first ......and you could NOT machine this kind of material in this manner because it would be far too hard and simply is NOT "free-machining". This material would be a very low carbon and NOT alloyed. 1018 mild steel is likely what is used here ....and cannot be heat treated.
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Good job
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Oil ??
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tha great work
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So they can make gear without equipped with thrust bearing.
Yes, you are right sir
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It’s not a “tap drill”, it’s just a tap!
Nice work!👍
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What's that gear going to be used for
We will make a video for this too
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Tap driling diameter how??
where's the oil?... great worm drive hack, I love it.
Thank you sir for liking my work
great.
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I think I would have been a bit more liberal with the cutting fluid as its not good to hear the screeching..otherwise an ingenious video
thank you Sir
Escelente
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I was surprised he did not use cutting fluid on the tap!
Thank you sir. Cutting oil is also used. Watch the video carefully. Without oil, the cutter gets damaged
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This is a neat idea I might try today. Use more oil if you have it!
@Ohenry92 Ok sir it's very easy thanks Sir
Immmmpresssive !
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Watching the closeup of that gear bounce up and down against the tap is enough to make any seasoned machinist vomit up their last two meals and crap out the previous two before that.
You are absolutely right sir
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Raise and lower it on your compound to make the teeth go thru the gear the same depth unless you plan on using it as a worm gear setup.
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? The description of the video actually says worm gear.😂 it’s also why the gear blank has been turned concave. You really shouldn’t comment with so little knowledge.
@@davidcat1455 I'm saying that if you DON'T want to use as a worm gear. Understand??
@@ckane510
So that’s what you should’ve said. Not “ unless you plan on using it as a worm gear”.
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Oil left the chat
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That poor tap. Give it a little oil.
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when is he going add a little oil
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