Firearms Facts: Is .40 Caliber Dead?
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4 years later people still talk about how the .40 is dead but it seems to never change. Still decently popular to this day. It’s a wonderful round. You get decent capacity, the knock down and the weight all in one. I think it’s a great round.
I agree
It is my favorite Round.
Exactly the only ones that say 40 is dead are those that either never shot a 40 or those that are ignorant. Ive shot my friends 9mm and my 40 right after and felt less recoil in my 40 which isnt bad for a bigger amd heavier round
@@jhlalone360 true. 9 mil and 40 are so close in recoil that it really depends on the weapon size honestly.
@@jhlalone360 I do remember that when the FBI switched from 10mm to 40 S&W the so called "Experts" predicted that was the death of the 10mm. Well apparently that wasn't the case as new 10mm guns are being introduced almost monthly. I think the .40 will be with us for MANY years to come.
No, it’s not dead, but a lotta stuff that got shot by a .40 is.
Lol hell yeah bud
@@generalneyland4005 and snitches and cops
😎💪👍
Good one.
*mic drop
Carried a .40 as my duty weapon for years and I have first hand knowledge of it's tactical use. Quite frankly, the FBI started hiring applicants based on computer skills rather than the ability to pull a trigger. Trainees could not handle a .40 proficiently and went to the 9mm. My agency followed suit and transitioned to 9mm. They gave us the opportunity to buy our .40 cal duty weapons, which I did and carried it on duty. Training is the key!
Agreed. And 'curiously', those hired for their 'computer skills' weren't really any more proficient with their issued 9mm's, LOL.
So I know this comment is old but I have a question for you. When your department switched to 9mm, you were only allowed to stick with a 40 if you bought your duty gun? And if the whole department switches to 9mm except a couple people, they still provide the 40 duty ammo? I don't know how any of this stuff works
Even during both ammo shortages in the last 10 years, I could still find the 40 available. I love it.
40 seems very much alive every time I pull the trigger 🤷🏼♂️
For a second I thought Jeffery Epstein was on CZcams. I was spooked for a moment. Sorry if I offended you effry jeppstien
Lol
Everytime I try to buy ammo.
😂😂 well said sir
You couldn’t have choose a firearm. Pressured into it you were.
Best thing about the .40 is barely anyone hoards the ammo 😂🤣
So right, it was the only ammo I could consistently get back in 2012-13
I noticed that when I got my m&p40
Never purchase ammo by the case huh...
seems to never go on sale like 9mm or .45 acp does.
More available for us when a SHTF national thing happens.
Own 9mm and 10mm.
40 sounds pretty good cause you don’t have the recoil as a 10mm. But you can obtain the same knock down power as a .45, however you can get quite a few more rounds in a 40. Vs a .45.
40 is no way dead.
What a 9 Mini Meter might hold one more round , in a gun fight you will be lucky to get off three rounds before it's over , you need to get those shots in a vital area accurately and quickly , Hero , Most likely both combatants will be hit , I hope it never happens , but I we live in a crazy world !!!
40sw also got advancements as well. When I hear that stupid argument 9mm got advancements so did every other carry caliber. It is just physics. you can put the same powder and bullet design in the 40sw., But 40sw inherently has a bigger bullet and bigger case, it will always be stronger than 9mm and the capacity is not too far off from 9mm. g22 holds 22 rounds, g17 holds 33 rounds.
aside from 45 +p, 40 sw loads have substantially more muzzle energy than most 45 loads do. most 165gr .40 loads are at least 450 ft lbs and 230gr 45 is barely cracking 400 most times
especially in CCW guns w short barrels, .45 becomes a lot weaker because the round has some absolutely MASSIVE velocity loss even going to a 4.25 in barrel much less say a 3.5 or 3 inch.
The 40 was designed from the ground up to be a man stopper it was specifically designed for self defense
Punching a bigger whole at a higher speed will always be better. And the argument that advancements in 9mm bullet technology make it comparable is moot because the .40 S&W AND EVERY OTHER CALIBER has also benefitted from that same technology equally.
redpyro911 you realize. 40s&w is only one millimeter in diameter bigger right? I don't see missing a vital organ close enough where the additional millimeter pays off happening very often. If one millimeter of diameter is the difference from harvester of souls and wounded, then the .45 acp must be double plus good because it is slightly over 1 mm bigger than. 40 s&w.
redpyro911 true that!
From what I understand though it isn't higher speed and that's the problem. Show me if I'm wrong. Not arrogant, but ignorant on my end.
That is true, but I think the point they are making is that 9mm is " good enough" and is much cheaper with much less recoil. If you want more power than a 9mm a .45 is better than a .40 with a negligible difference in price,and recoil.
@@Larry-gs8gb 40 seems better than 45 to me. After hearing about Miami Dade and 50 cent I don't trust 9mm to get it done
I never follow the crowd, I've always enjoyed .40 s&w.
Modern 9mm works just fine
when this guy said he had no ammo of 40 you kinda knew which way this was going...i have them all and 40 is a great round love the 155 grain though perfect for caliber
I prefer. 380
azntactical not for me. .380 bodyguard with an extra mag in my pocket is my edc.
Same here brother. My edc is a retired service Glock 35 and it does the job very well and only set me back $200.
There is a much larger following of 40 SW then you know. Also i got behind on my pandemic ammo and i was able to stock completely up with 40 cal. Thanx for killing 40 sw.
Amen. I know more .40 folks than 9 or 45! (In my circle)
amen 40 is dead just quit buying em!!!!! more ammo for me!!!! lol
Yup. Still plenty of ammo on the shelves for .40 s&w. Not much else though
I just got my CCW and bought a FNS 40 cuz it's damn near the only gun that had ammo
@@wakandawildman2043, same here. lol
I think its a great round. I work at Cabelas and there are a lot of customers of all ages looking for some .40 ammo.
Carry lots of Federal HST. It should sell very well. It is my current carry Load.
its a phenomenal cartridge. its always flying off the shelves at sportsmans
Why is 2 extra rounds way important but 100 ft lbs of energy not?
You could make the argument that in a self defense situation more rounds are better, since 80% are misses even by law enforcement.
But that doesn't mean the 40 should be trashed.
Right the 9 guys would rather have 16+ rounds to miss Thier targets with instead of 14+1 rounds of 100% of stop the bad guys rounds. 🤔🤔.
@@Darkpara1 average firing distance for cops is probably way higher than civilians
@JKay11235 I 100% agree with you, most people cant hit shit.
@@Darkpara1 you have to realize what is getting hired by the law enforcement agencies these days ( no offense ) but little women and soft hand men which both have not ever fired a firearm in Thier lives and hardly spend time at the shooting range because they think they will be able to shot like the Hollywood cops/FBI guys and hit between the eyes shot every time. And they think just because they have 17 rounds of 9mm they will never have to reload.
Wayyyyyyyyyy too many 40cal guns out there for it to ever die.
Lazerrus Laslonin stockpile 40 ammo!
You didn't hear a thing Eric said. He said it's loosing a LOT of interest in the public. So stockpile if you want, buy everything up. You'll be the minority left using it for better or worse.
Personally it's really not the expensive to shoot and really not snappy. Been runnin 40 for the last 5 years and for 2 rounds less then 9mm? Why not. I like 9 and alot of other stuff but 40 is kinda my pet load been runnin the same gen 3 23 since I got into the caliber no problems at all. But I do buy in bulk because sometimes I do wonder if itll quit bein made because how many people dont like it. And dont buy it I've takin everything from beavers to deer with it and have seen tons of people kill hogs and bear with it. To me it's an awesome round. And like he said way less exspensive to shoot then 10mm and alot less recoil.
True.. however my next pistol will be 10mm.. seeing how 10mm is all the rage
They will all break. Faster than if chambered in 9mm .40 cal tears up guns.
I carry .40. The two extra rounds that are available in 9mm in a concealable compact is not worth the loss in power for me. It's not that much more expensive to shoot, and good defensive rounds can be bought for less than $1/round.
40 S&W will never die! There’s always room in my collection for 40S&W . Fun to shoot and the recoil isn’t much more than a 9. Must be some little dudes complaining about recoil.
Bunch of pusses... I literally have never noticed a difference. And I even own two xds mod 2 pistols.. little single stack guns. One in 40 and one in 9mm. There's no real difference.. 9mm +p defense ammo recoils every bit as hard as 40.. which is none at all.. these are auto pistol rounds. It's like saying the 556 is too snappy or something..
My wife doesn’t like my .40 because of the recoil 😂 seems like a lot of these boys on CZcams. How is it that it’s short and wimpy, but with wrist snapping recoil?? Seems like the CZcams boys don’t actually know anything about.40, or recoil, or applied ballistics. They’re just repeating the nonsense they heard on the last .40 vs 9 video they watched.
@@HoffnerPrecisionlol mine is the complete opposite she is insulted if you don’t offer a .40 first.😂😂
As a red-headed step child, I prefer the 40 cal.
Lots of 40 owners here lol
With all this covid19 panic I looked at ammo while at the hardware store today. A whole shelf dedicated to 9mm was empty. Found 100 round packs of.40 though. I win.
What the hell kind of hardware store do you shop at?
@@blakedavis2447 the good kind. We have an atv power sports shop here in my town that also sells guns and ammo lol
Once one learns to tame the recoil, you'll never look back. I wish our M9's had been .40. I'd have a few more friends who came back.
Lucky my days we used 45.
Why didn't you just name the video "I'm incredibly biased against 40?" If you don't like the round just say that. Stop trying to hedge your bets...
Mike B that’s what I was thinking.
He always does this. But the all time classic roundabout hate videos is the gun slang video where they absolutely shit on black people.
@@t.r.d.z.1630 Muh racisms is bad
Agree!
Also I like 40 cause when that ammo drought happened you could always find 40
Ditto. ... 40 has been kind to me and my p229. Now let's just through this damn virus.
"Muh ammo's cheap, and muh police service weapon!"
You can find 10mm too, and it’s a better round
@@sasquatch-7416 I love that gun and never seen one in real life. Is it really that much more snappy than the 226?
@@anthonysmith3132 virtually the same gun. The 226 and the 229 suck up the recoil like very few other guns in that size. They are both thick slabs of butter. I put an e2 grip on the 229 and its wonderful. I think the word snappy fits more with lightweight guns chambered in calibers too high. The fat 229 was designed specifically for the 357 sig round I believe. I love shooting screamin 357 sig. I ignore the hate that it gets. 🤘🏼👽🤘🏼
If anyone remembers when Sig came out with the P229 in .40 S&W it was in a lot of law enforcement holsters. Like A LOT! When we shot 40 next to a 9mm the 40 was more of a gentle push in the 9 mm was a snap. We used the Sig P229 in .40 & the Sig P228 at the time in 9mm. Both the same size guns and I was more accurate with the .40. All it gets down to is personal preference at the end of the day. I’ve got both & I shoot both.
We switch to the .40 Sigs when I was in the Coast Guard. I love .40 and that’s all I own now.
I own a police trade-in P229 in .40. And I love the thing. I agree it's more of a push than a snap. Even though the recoil force may be greater its delivery isn't as sharp.
Due to the fact that most gunfights are over in a few seconds, I prefer the knockdown/stopping power of the .40 over the 9mm. Also, I have large hands, and I find the .40 to be a very comfortable round to shoot. As with any caliber, proficiency comes with practice, and so does confidence in your weapon's performance and accuracy. I cut my teeth shooting the 1911 .45, and the .40 recoil is much closer to the .45 than the 9mm. I love the 9mm for plinking at the range...BUT! For me, in a life and death situation - where one round needs to be able to stop the threat - I'm much more confident using the .40 over the 9mm.
Still a .40 fan
Im more than happy to keep buying pistols in .40 for next to nothing. Js
yep, and when the zombies arrive and you cant find 9mm on the shelves...
I’m seeing .40 police trade in flocks for $300 all over can’t beat thatvprice
John Wason just over an hour ago i bought another glock 22 on gunbroker for $260. I can get a 9mm conversion barrel for $85 and have 2 glocks (caliber wise) for under $350.
Practice mostly with 9mm and carry .40. Best of both worlds.
02cents
Try 357 sig. it's a fun caliber
Anthony C if it’s trash you’d let someone shoot you with it right?
Can only carry 10 rounds in a mag in NY, so it's .40 for me
Exactly! Same thing for me when I still lived in California. Now I'm in Oregon, so I've gone with 9mm 15+1.
If i was in NY i'd carry a Taurus Raging Judge with some hot .454 🤣 take away my capacity ill replace it more ft lbs per shot
1 0 m m, pussy
if I had a capacity limit I'd probably get a 1911.
Blue-Collar Gaming same here In LA. This whole video isn’t even mentioning our struggles, lol. Also, the same for my XD40 or XD9 same price came with 5mags & funny cause everyone was on the same sale buying the 9mm while I’m thinking it’s 10 to a mag no matter the cal which killed me wanting a 9mm. I went with the 40
I’ve taken a number of deer with my 40.
They laugh at 9mm jelly beans.
Besides when it comes to critical time, if your first two shots aren’t good your last two just get more dangerous
I have taken bear with my 10mm they laugh at 40 caliber.i love my rock island double stack 18 round 10 mm.
@@jackhook4192 oh yeah, well i've taken down a lion with a 13mm and they laugh at your 10mm.
Interesting. There is a good article written by Bob Campbell in the ConcealedCarry called "OLD FRIEND" Don't neglect the 40.
My first firearms where an S&W model 10 revolver and a Mossberg 12 Gauge. At the time when I was looking for a semi-auto handgun, everyone was buying all of the 9mm ammo and I ended up with an S&W full-size .40cal and a Springfield XD.
And here we are again with all that's going on in the world, 9mm ammo is difficult to find and what do you think will happen this November?
I no longer have a desire to own a 9mm. 40 cal and 357magnum are my personal defense choices.
Liked it in the beginning. Now im getting into the .40 even more for a utility cartridge. I'm a 10mm primarily but the 40 shines far above the 9mm in my humble opinion.
Not insulting the 9, but their are better choices.
Well said.
Well yeah9mm better than 380 40 better than 9mm 45 better than 40 10mm better than all so what’s your point
The problem with calibers bigger than 9mm or 357 mag is the guns are usually too big to conceal carry I like thin and small lightweight guns.
Handgun cartridge size is irrelevant. Shot placement and hitting vital organs are what determine effectiveness. 9mm is the standard for a reason.
@@TheRedduckGaming They do make subcompact 40's
,40 may be "dead" in some peoples mind, but not mine. I carry a .40 quite regularly, and I carry a 9 and .45. I love my .40. Will never die.
40 works, period. But lots of cartridges work fine. Personally, I like 9mm, because I learned that consolidating ammo makes shopping and stocking WAY easier for me. I have a Kahr PM9 9mm for daily carry (3.1" barrel, 6 rounds), a Glock 34 9mm for home defense (4.5" barrel, 17 rounds), and a KelTec Sub-2000 9mm carbine for camping/bugout bag (16" barrel, 33 rounds), and its great I only need to worry about one ammunition type and two of them can share magazines and suppressors to boot, and that's just practical. 9mm is also inexpensive to plink, and available everywhere.
People were saying 10mm was dead years ago. Didn't stop me from buying a G20 even back then!
Even .45 GAP isn't _dead._
Everything that applies to the 9mm also applies to the 40sw especially if you are a reloader. Keep your forties and start reloading some really good ammo.
Fast forward to April 2020... cant find any 9mm on shelves. Thank God I have my Glock 23 40 cal. On store shelves everytime I look.
You can get 9mm now. It's stll a lot cheaper too.
@@tanman7879 if you reload, everything's cheaper and always available. And as a bonus you don't have to wait in line at a sporting goods store for 20 mins during a pandemic only to have a sales associate come out and tell the line they're out of out of 9mm.
You seriously couldn't muster up one round of .40 for the video?
I find them like lost quarters in my truck.
I don't even own a 40...but I have 40 ammo. I'm a freak of nature, I guess.
Those same improvements to the propellants and design in the 9mm are also used in the same bullet in other calibers. So the improvements in the 9mm are also improvements in the 40 and 45.
Yeah, he is a moron. 40 sw inherently has a bigger bullet and bigger case. It will always be stronger than 9mm. Also the capacity is not too far off from 9mm. I carry a g23 with a kkm 9mm conversion barrel. I use 200 grain 40 sw for woods carry not in griz country. 9mm for everything else. One gun satisfies all my self defense needs.
Just picked up 1040 rnds of .40S&W for $300. Another tool in the toolbox.
Unbelievable price!
I live in a state that restricts mags to 10rds so I prefer extra stopping power of 10mm 40cal or sig357
I have a Glock 22 .40 . I love the firearm and the round. I'm an older man and used to be only a revolver owner. I'd never sell it.
Same here .357 was my favorite. Looking for a revolver and came across police trade in Glocks for less than no-name revolvers. Would rather have a $300 used Glock than a new $300 generic revolver with mixed reviews.
Plus, if you reload you can get the 40 very close to the 10mm and .357. Just look up data for Longshot. The only advantage for 10mm is you can run heavier bullets. The only advantage for 357 is better down range trajectory.
40 is my favorite because I can put a 357 sig. barrel in I can put a 9 mm conversion barrel in as well you cannot do that with a 9 mm frame
@Evocati What about when the world goes to shit and you run out of 9mm?
Same, love the Versatility.
You can do it from the frame. Its the slide and barrel and mags that count. How about the extrater........
Absolutley
Been carrying a .40 since 1991 and it has always served me well!
Throwing a 10mm into this comparative conversation is like throwing a cougar into a group of alley cats...
Not necessarily. Watch Paul Harrell video. Some loads of 10 mm are the same or less powerful than .40 s&w
Ever since we worked on a guy shot pointblank 9 times with a 9mm no exits and was still sitting up talking to us I decided 40cal was a better round than 9mm.
I love my 40 S&W!
That's why anecdotes are a bad point for making any kind of decision. I can find similar tales involving .357 Magnum, .45 ACP, and .40 S&W.
For how long? Ha unless they used hardball I highly doubt this. even then he'd expire in minutes
Isn't it better when there's no exits? It dumps all it's energy into the body
Bullshit.
@Brandon S It happens more often than you would think. I'll track them down later. Too damn early.
There is a lull in the market, caused by the myth that it’s a dead cartridge due to the FBI switching back to 9x19 for logistical reasons. If you run the numbers, .40 S&W does exactly what it was designed to do, 9mm velocity, .45 Muzzle energy, with mid range bullet weights, and roughly 30% better performance than 9x19. With a minimal reduction in ammo capacity, in a small frame pistol. Think Glock 19 vs 23, and the 15+1 vs 13+1 capacity. I’m a big bore guy for life. .40 or .45 are my carry rounds unless I’m on the job where I carry .357 Sig, but if I get into competition shooting, 9x19 makes the most sense unless I want to run majors. 9x19 is absolutely enough cartridge, I also carry a 9mm Browning pocket pistol from time to time. But anyone claiming 9mm performs “just as well” as .40 or .45 is sorely mislead, and likely already heavily invested in the 9mm life.
also a better subsonic round. 30 grains more is about 20% more bounce compared to 9mm subsonic
@@Peppersquads 🤡🤡🤡🤡
You also have to ask yourself, does 9mm perform just as well.. at what? With 9mm, you don't get the same muzzle energy, with similar grain weights you don't get the same velocity, and you don't get the same diameter projectile. So far, it's looking like 9mm simply does not stack up. Yes, you generally get more capacity, and you don't get quite as much recoil, but what are we carrying these things for? It's probably wise to check out real world statistics on rates of failure to immediately incapacitate in civilian/police defensive situations. In Greg Ellifritz' study titled "An Alternate Look at Handgun Stopping Power" we see that 9mm and .40 S&W both fail to incapacitate 13% of the time. .40 S&W is about 5% more likely to incapacitate with 1 shot to the head/torso, but it seems reasonable to argue that incapacitation=success. Based on that metric and that metric alone, it's perfectly accurate to say 9mm is just as good as .40 S&W. Seeing as 9mm is cheaper, I can shoot a little better with it, I get more rounds, and the round is no less likely to do its job, I carry a 9mm and feel good about it.
Very Well said
Love my .40. Especially now that everything related to 9mm has been hyped and stripped clean from the shelves, just like the last bbq chicken wing..
Yes up to last week,I have had 0 problem finding 40 SW ammo...bought a box every pay...I'm sitting pretty good now compared to my 9mm and 38 Special...so glad I have one
That is a pretty good point. I like 9mm... I have several 9mm Glocks and one Kahr, but it might be wise to get .40 uppers for them just in case that's the only ammo available. Not likely, and I have reloading dies for both calibers, so even less so, but as we say, it's better to have it and not need it than to need it and not have it.
Never had trouble getting .40 ammo and I've used it for wild hogs has great 1 shot stopping power but with any gun bullet placement is everything.
This is good news more 40cal rounds for me
Lex Luther my thoughts exactly
My favorite .40 caliber round is 10mm, but I don't mind .40 S&W. I have both the Glock 20 and a Glock 22. But 10mm is an absolute beast.
I've owned a glock20 & a g23 since the 90s back when 9mm was considered weak & still is in my book. I don't think 10mm or 40cal recoil much.
I have the glock 20 in 10mm but my favorite is my rock island double stack 18 10mm.
@Simo actually the prices of 10mm ammo isn't all that bad since the caliber is becoming more popular. I can get a 50 round box of S&B 180 grain 10mm for around $17 where I live.
@Simo 10mm is definitely one hell of a round. It is one of the most powerful semiauto rounds out there with some very impressive ballistic performance. Some of the hotter 10mm rounds are capable of hitting on the low range of .41 magnum. Also if you watch some of the ballistic gel testing both .40 S&W and big brother 10mm expand quite well compared to other calibers.
I like the 40 S&W personally.
This is informative as helllll. Thank you. I just got a 40cal. Not knowing what we were doing, this helps!
You have a bat with razor wire but no .40 caliber... makes sense
Bwahahaha..
Zing!
@Evocati says the 9mm fanboy. Actually you probably prefer the .380 dont ya?
That is what they call a football bat. This one is clearly a military style assault weapon.
He also carries a .38 revolver, but doesn't like .40 because of reduced capacity by 2 rounds. lmao
If you don't own a .40 S&W... not even a single round of ammunition.. why do a video on it? I love your videos, but let's keep it real.
I carried a .40 for many years. It is more powerful than a 9mm.
xactly, I have M&P shield 9mm and .40cal and I carry the .40 over the 9mm. I think its the price of ammo with most calibers.
Right, I thought he should of at least grabbed a 40 cal for the video.
@@williesumlin7892 I like the fact that you have the same gun when practicing at the range with the 9mm. Also the .40 magazine fits in the 9mm, use it at the range, without stopping to reload magazines as often. I don't carry with the borrowed magazine in the gun.
I've been a certified Glock Amourer since 2005. And .40 S&W was referred to as .40 Broke&Weapon long before that due to poor internal ballistics.
While I respect them and like most of their videos, I can’t believe he didn’t actually test any instead of using book values. Paul Harrell did an excellent 40SW vs 9mm. In most measures, the difference was negligible, as shown in studies of defensive handgun fights: there just isn’t a big difference all the way from 380ACP to 45ACP. One big difference was in barrier penetration where the 40SW significantly outperformed the 9mm.
I carry either a 45ACP or a 380 ACP, but I’d have no qualms carrying my Browning Hi-Power in 40SW.
I keep seeing from stores, reading articles, etc.there are improvements in 9mm ammo. This first of all makes the suggestion it was needed for quite sometime. But also wont we potentially get the same boost in the 40 with the better technology? Is that being done?
Exactly bro. They jus touched up 9 first cuz it was in more need🤣🤣
That should mean the 40 will be an even better stopper for those man enough to use it.
Yes the best self defense 9mm rounds are as powerful as a weak range 40 cal bullet. 40 at 1100 fps at 165 grain is 500 ft pounds
I have several .40s. Have no intention of trading them for 9mms. I don't really care what law enforcement is doing.
My home is protected with an M&P40.
And mine with an MP40
Same
Sig p229 in 40s&w
Full size MP40, carry that everywhere with me
I do the same with 2 guns
This guy convinced me to go buy a glock 23.....40 cal
Gary Blevins most Glocks have the ability to swap barrels from 40 to 9mm this is why many do by a 40 cal. Fyi last shortage the 40 cal was still available. I shoot 40 and 45acp aswell as 460 Rowland. The most important factor is accurate placement regardless of how eveybody has to HYPE OF WHATS BEST. Eric never ever mentioned the 960 Rowland which is a 9mm of riods that can fire 9mm and 960. My 460 Row fires 45 acp 45 cap plus p. And 460. Check out Mr. Gunslingers channel on this.
Excellent choice.
FOR SURE THIS IS THE FIRST TIME I'VE HEARD ANYONE BAD MOUTH THE 40 SW
9MM I'VE GOT 3 OF THEM AND I LOVE THEM, BUT IF I WANT HOME PROTECTION I'LL GRAB MY 40 SW WITH A MAG OF 17 ROUNDS EVERY TIME. FOR A COYOTE OR A MAN. AND YES I SAID 17 ROUNDS I8 ROUNDS WITH 1 IN THE PIPE.
BUT I'VE GOT 17 ROUND 9MM AS WELL.
IT'S NOT JUST THE ROUNDS,,, ITS THE KICK ASS PENATRATING POWER OF THE 40 SW.
Gary FNS makes a better 40 caliber then the Glock 23. You should try it. Shoots much smoother then the Glock. My G23 collects dust now that I carry my FNS 40.
You will love that gun. I enjoy my g22 and g23.
As a deputy I’ve carried 9mm in every dept I’ve worked at . However I qualified at the academy with a 40 cal , my personal truck gun is a m&p 40 . Here lately I’ve been moving to 9mm because it’s holds more rounds and has less recoil. I can put more rounds on target with my glock 17 9mm than I can with my m&p 40cal . I also switched to a 9mm m&p shield for my daily concealed carry.
What is the point of a truck gun?
@@bloopy6166 personal defense
I love my Springfield XD40. Maybe because it’s my first handgun, maybe not. But it does shoot well and doesn’t give me any trouble
.40 S&W is my favorite caliber,and is my #1 go to round. Faster than a .45 more punch than a 9mm whats not to like? Years ago while debating what type of firearm to buy as my first pistol I came across an odd situation at my work that made my mind up for me. The hospital I worked at was county affiliated so prisoners were brought there when injured. Anyway we received one suspect that had 6 officers guarding him. Turned out he was a high level MS13 member that had just had a shoot out with the Police. He was shot and hit by no less than 14 9mm rounds. Yet was sitting up talking as if it was just another day. He even had a wound that went through his hand and struck him square in the forehead as he tried to shield himself, but the round(9mm) did not penetrate and kill him. I decided right then and there .40sw was the way to go for me. This is a true story, when I asked one of the officers what happened he just nodded to his partner and said someone needs to go practice at the range more.
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I think people may eventually end up using .40 again your story tells that. Velocity can have devastating effects but in that guys case the bones in his hand took out enough velocity of the 9mm that it couldn't crack his skull, now for the case of future trolls that will surely come that will down play what I've said up to now .45 is a bone crusher and .40 has more mass than 9mm so obviously will carry that mass further, not as far as the .45 but it will get the job done.
If those are your criteria, why not get 357sig, 7.62x25, 9x25 Dillon, or 10mm?
Its not about how many. Its about where. Bullet hits his hand, it lost energy and the forehead is stronger than you think, its the worst place to shoot someone in the head. However, the .40 will travel deeper and hit harder but if it misses vitals then you're in the same boat as the 9.
If it works for you great ....BUT Less Punch than a .45 not as Fast as a 9mm.
Odd calibers that are expensive or hard to find,no thx. Although the CZ 52 in 7.62x25 is a bad ass looking little pistol when you can find them. I remember when they came onto the surplus market you could get one for under 100 bucks,now they go for 325-400+ when you can find them.
love my glock 22 and my smith & wesson 40cal m2.o
I watched this video last year and found it very informative. Looking at LEO trade in 40s brought me back. The thought of a sub $350 Sig/Glock/S&W makes that trade-in firearm so tempting!
Considering in CA where magazine capacity is limited, you want rounds that maximize stopping power rather double or triple tap, IMO. But, that requires more shooter discipline.
I’m a .40 Man for many years for CCW. G23 / G27. It has unique properties which cause me to use it.
It better not be dead I love the recoil of the 40 S&W
With the COVID-19 pandemic going on, I think that the 40 S&W may not be as popular as the 9mm, but it certainly isn’t dead. I can go to my local gun store and find 40 S&W stocked 95% of the time (costs as much as 9mm ammo, but that’s not really the point due to the ammo shortage). Glock recently released the Gen 5 version of their 40 cal pistols, which I want one, and I don’t think they or other manufacturers would keep making pistols chambered in that caliber if it was extinct. I have a Glock 23, which is the 40 cal. version of the Glock 19, and I can testify that it’s a snappy round. However, with a lot of practice and trigger time, I found that I can manage the recoil pretty well and score hits with it. Also, I’m certain that when it comes to bad guys, to borrow from Rocky IV, “whatever it hits...it destroys”. But I’ve rambled enough, if someone isn’t comfortable with their 40 cal pistols and ammo, please feel free ship them to me.
We adopted the .40 S&W in early 1996. We did not choose the 180 grain, but rather the 155 grain JHP. The thinking was that a semi-auto duty round should be equivalent to our .357 Magnum 158 grain service load. We found that all 155 and 165 JHP's exceeded Mach One which was the threshold for good JHP projectile function. Our issue .40 S&W round was an across the counter 155 grain JHP @~ 1150 fps. Since that time projectile development has effectively brought the velocity efficiency threshold down to a lower value. The 155 grain JHP S&W served us well. We did receive calls from various police departments in regards to the 155 grain’s performance becasue the 180 grain JHP .40 S&W was not performing well. A local sheriff’s department was issuing 155 grain Gold Dot and in one year experienced 3 one shot stops and one multiple shot stop. Their was an mistake made in ordering .40 and they ended up with a 180 grain Gold Dot. Shortly thereafter a female deputy was fighting for control of her Glock 22 and was able to fire three shots into her attacker's chest at just short of contact distance. The attacker ran 50 yards and sat down against a tree. When her backup arrived the subject complained that he was having trouble breathing. When EMS arrived he was no longer breathing. That armed encounter worked out well, but what if he hadn’t run off and had continued fighting for her sidearm? It could have really turned out badly.
I love my 40’s and in my local gun shop the 9 is the same price as the 40
I would go to 40 cal
I was in the army when we gave up the 45 for the 9mm. The next thing we had to learn was the double tap. Nuff said.
The Double tap (outdated) and Now the Controlled pair are used IN TRAINING. It teaches proper recoil managed follow up shooting and target transitions AT MINIMUM EXPENSE. SOP calls for 1 shot on each present target within your FoF then "burndown" in reverse order. 1 target in your FoF calls for immediate "burndown" (5 shots min). Ancoring shots (mercy shots) being the 3rd and final target sweep administered in a multiple target environment.
Also, SOF units are the only front echelon personnel that are issued pistols. Even Officers in conventional combat units are required to carry the M4 carbine. So either a Soldier qualifies with the M9 Berretta only once ever in AIT. Or trains constantly and requalifies every deployment cycle with a G19(now) or the prior issued Sig 226.
Yeah, wasn’t Jeff Cooper teaching double tap shooting, long before the Army dropped the Colt?
Clown: that’s because you had to use FMJ standard ammo. But Ashe saison this video you didn’t watch, the reason the 9mm has made a comeback is because of the new bullet designs and propellants that make it much more effective than the older cartridges.
Ok boomer
Different way of looking at things...
So I love the 40 and cant bring myself to use a 9 but not for reasons most consider. For me its about grip and comfort. I'm a smaller guy st only 5'6 but I have large hands. So every single 9 I have put my hands on it either hangs off of the bottom of the grip or feels far to narrow in my hands because my fingers fold over. 40's and 45's just fit better. Longer grips, wider thick bodies, and just feel more solid. So for these reasons I'm actually smoother, quicker, and more effective with a 40 or even 45 over any 9 I have shot
.40 and 9mm guns are the same size nearly across the board. The whole point of the .40 was 10mm lite ballistics in a 9mm sized package. You have to compare apple to apple, though. A Glock 23 is the same size as the Glock 19, and in fact they use the same lower. Sure, a Glock 22 fills the hand better than a Glock 19, but that's comparing apples to oranges. A G17 is the same size as the 22.
I am a big guy with big hands, so I really like my G17. I do wish the trigger reach was about a quarter of an inch longer, but it's more than usable. My Kahr P9, though, is really way too small for the hand, but it conceals really well.
Love my Beretta PX4 Storm subcompact .40 cal. Will never give up on that round and its not dead NO.
A 40. can be converted to another caliber with a mag and a barrel. I loved my 40. when ammo was short because i could always find ammo
Got a Lone Wold Alpha 9mm barrel for my Glock 22 (factory refurb police trade), shoot sweet.
I have an Alpha Wolf 9mm conversion for my Glock 23, which works great in my G27. Cheaper ammo for practice. .40 for home defense, CCW. Oh yeah.
I'll take 15 rounds of 40 over 17 of 9mm for defense any day. More total ft lbs of power.
Note- I compete with 9mm, but I protect with 40.
By that logic 5 rds of 500 S&W is even better
@@Skinnymoose
Ummm No. Wrong tool for the job.
You missed the point. For 2 legged animal defence 9mm and 40 can be close in 3 key attributes, round count, recoil, and energy/terminal ballistics. I can control both equally well for follow up shots, and I'll give up 2 rounds for more energy and superior ballistics of the 40.
IF I were defending against a Kodiak bear I would take my S&W 500 5 rounds over my Delta Elite 8 rounds of 10mm even though the 500 is much harder to control.
@Michael Srite No,No, No...you arent getting it. You COMPETE with 9mm but you PROTECT with 40....more total ft pounds of power.....understand?
I think the point is: IF power is your preference...why not 15 rounds of 10mm? Or even .357sig. But when it comes to the standard 3 (9mm .40 .45) there isn't enough difference to negate the cons of the .40
@Michael Srite its only two shots if you truly train accuracy and reloads that difference is negligible
At Front Sight I watched 9mms occasionally fail to drop steel targets after a definate hit. 40 S&W and 45 ACP never failed to put them down. They carried enough more energy to guarantee a drop, sold me.
“It’s a little snappy” says the guy who doesnt own a 40. That's funny.
"I don't have a single round in 40 Cal. I'm not a 40 Cal guy," but here's my unbiased opinion of a round I don't have in a pistol that I don't own.
I love how you 40 haters keep trashing it. Keep doing it. 40 is plentiful. 40 has become much cheaper. 40 is not dead, it is very much alive. I have a lot of pistols, chambered in everything from 22lr to 45acp. My absolute favorite pistol is my Springfield XD 40 subcompact. It goes everywhere with me. If I ever have to use it I honestly doubt the person on the other end will have time too say, "No. You cannot shoot me with a 40. 40 is dead, bruh."
Michael Large xd40 gang lol. It is an amazing handgun my first one and first love I’ll never sell it.
Michael I couldn't agree with you more. Although I own everything from a 9 to .45 ACP, my EDC for the past 27 years has been a Glock 23 .40 S&W. I bought a second generation G23 in 1993 and kept it until a year ago when I traded it in for a 4th generation G23. A 9mm never even entered into my thoughts.
I stopped watching after "I don't have a single round in 40 Cal." Definitely an unqualified opinion. I own, shoot, and carry everything from .380 to .45 (including 10mm) and they all have their purpose. Obviously shot placement and ammunition selection are important. I mostly carry a G27 in 40 S&W and have better shot placement than I do with 9mm, because I've trained for it. Follow up shots are a little slower with 40 S&W, but chances are you won't need a follow up shot!
Actually he said he's shot plenty of 40's but said he'd never own one so I guess he has somewhat experience wth a 40
I love a g22 myself
9, 40 and 45 are here to stay.
Bill Griner - 45 was antiquated 30 years ago. 40 was just hype before it died.
which, if I remembered correctly, is only used by two guns in the entire world
Steven Li - FN's patent expires in 2021 then more companies will be able to use it.
you mean...fn actually has a patent on that cartridge? all right then thanks for the info
No one remembers the AR57 ;_;
Love your vids, but how the hell do you make a vid on a round you dont even own??
Please, when has that ever stopped anyone in the community 😂
It’s 4 years later but I still have a .40 but have added several 9mm and just branched out into 10mm. Strangely enough I am considering the LCP Max 380 just because it’s so small and high capacity.
Everyone looking for 9mm, 357, 38spl, 45 during the pandemic....
My buddies and I walking out of stores with arm loads of 40 and 357 Sig smiling.
I bought a Glock 23 and 22 based on the fact that with a barrel conversion, and different magazines, you can have two guns in one.
E B and during the last shortage, .40 was the only game going at the ammo store for a while.
Actually 3 guns in one 9, .357, and 40
E B 357 sig not mag.
Actually 4 guns in one, don’t forget the .22 LR
Or buy 1 pistol, ammo by the case not the box and training courses. Trust me, in a gunfight by the time you need to mag change there will be another gun laying on the ground, without training and good tactics it'll be yours.
You couldn't borrow a round of .40 for the video? SMH
Sociopath Mercenary I know right?!? Gonna do video on a gun you don’t have next?
You'd think Moss would have loaned him a box.
I love the 40 caliber, I carry one all the time.
And now 40 cal glocks are going for $600+ used during the COOF! Haha
Too many FBI agent "Recoil complaints." Like saying everything in the gym is "Too heavy." Snappy...
Steve Fortney I just say get better quality 40 ammo the problem ppl don’t want to do that
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I can keep the same course scores regardless of using 9mm or .40SW. Both calibers have defensive loads that achieve 18" of penetration. It all comes down to cost, mag cap and barrel wear.
@@MeridianPanther I agree with you, sometimes you have to try different ammo to find the best one for you and you gun, lucky my 40 SDVE eats anything I put through it but I chooses WWB 180 grain JHP'S for my personal protection because it is ( to me ) the best one , and I say again ( TO ME ) every one else can use whatever they want to.....
Actually they cried about 10mm, not .40......The .40 Just dont have enough over the 9mm.
Not as long as i have an ammo plant in my garage it isn't.
You got that brother, i turn out 500 40 cal in a day on my dillon press
rustyshackleford1978 Handloading is completely illegal in Massachusetts without an FOID/LTC.... We can't even get the components mailed in....
Thanks Eric for being down to earth real... you have great videos 📹 and information.
40 S&W still alive and doing well in 2022
Suggest watching Paul Harrell's youtube 9mm vs .40 S&W; you decide!
Just watched it. Great video and well thought out. I agree, the .40 is not dead. Nothing against IV8888, but live demonstrations with well thought out conclusions will beat opinionated talk (and not even having a .40 round present) any day!
Yeah he is clearly biased against the 40 SW. "Never owned one, never will" well good for you Eric. Physics doesn't lie. 40 either gives way more velocity with the same weight bullet, or the same velocity with a 40-50% heavier bullet. With a capacity decrease of 1-2 rounds (in a high-capacity set up) And if you can't take the recoil, shoot .22lr. It's laughably obvious that someone is really trying to sell 9mm
Great suggestion, thanks for turning me onto his channel!
Please bear with me as we dissect the meat target and the damage caused by the .40sw
I reload 10mm and 40sw and have a number of guns chambered in both. Absolutely love both of these rounds! I agree with TrustinMyGat, “How he gonna talk 40 n not have a 40 bullet or gun”
I second that
He is a gun shop owner and professional... dumb ass
You can compare the specs of the guns/rounds without owning one. There is metric tons of data out there to support any argument you want to argue for and against the .40.
If he does not like them, why would he have one?
He is definitely anti 40.... love 40, it’s awesome
Covid 19 hits and I’m still able to buy my 40s&w in any gun shop, where as me trying to buy 9mm is scarce and if a store does have it they are selling it only with a firearm purchase or limiting 2 boxes per person or it’s not in stock at all. So end of the world scenario well 40 is still around. The 10mm is a fun round in a carbine. 9mm is good for range, carry and if you own a Glock well the mags are in abundance cross platform for carbine or pistol use, but when a crisis hits the round is the first one you can’t find anywhere.
Loved all my 40’s! The S&W SD40VE handles the 40 recoil like a champ! It’s a solid, heavy weight frame to compliment the 40 round
dh_ yambrisak same here the sd40ve is my only pistol at this moment ammo is the same as 9mm so I shoot it all the time
Love the .40...I've been carrying a G23 for years.
I have the gen 3 22 model and I love mine😁
Tar Heel Realist 40 s&w here ✋🏾
Same here gen 3 g23
It’s got more gusto than 9 while still being sub-sonic out of most 5” barrels. I find it works great in a suppressed Cmmg Banshee, I’d shoot more but hate Glock double-stack single-feed mags.
You can get an 18 round .40 cal magazine now 👍🏾
tony campbell yes you can
Not very professional. Old news, or, more accurately, old opinions. Anybody who shoots 9 mm, .40 and .45 regularly more or less in the same quantities (reloading strongly suggested) knows .40 has no practical disadvantages and is more performant than 9 mm, regardless of alleged bullet technology improvements. My reloads in .40 are actually milder than my 9 mm. The comparison with .45 is more complex but typically the convenience to carry is higher with .40. Bashing .40 is just a stupid trend of the last years with no true technical point in it.
N D88 Exactly !
I miss barry.
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I do to. He died a few weeks after I started watching this channel.
A lot of folks miss him.
Jason Dude, Barry WILL NEVER DIE! He'll live on through CZcams until the end of time... :'-)
I have a PPQ and CZ P01 Duty in .40 S&W and absolutely love um, holds more rounds than .45 and almost as powerful. I think the newer pistol buyer is a little intimidated by .40 Cal. that's why they gravitate to 9mm...IMO
47mossie I was truly bummed when CZ dropped the .40 cal from its entire lineup. A couple other manufacturers have also dropped it. Luckily Beretta still makes them, no Glocks for me.
40 cal. Is like that short guy with tall parents . Mom is 10mm Dad is 45. And everybody looks at the 40. like the fukc happened to you???? 😂😂😂😂😂
40 is not dead. You don't like it, but it's' not dead. Go pick on 45 GAP.
If you have a loyalty to a bullet diameter, then lol.
I don't like 40 either but that 45 gap comment had me in stitches. Thank you I really needed a laugh.
The FBI created this round, and even they abandoned it! A LOT of PD's followed suit... Well, the smart ones! Exactly why California didn't...
Thomas Arcturus that and wasn’t their a .50 gi?
+Justin Your are a moron you have to take into consideration the advances in bullet design in the last 15 years.
Is .40 dead? Not in my house. I live in Commiefornia, so capacity isn’t an issue anyway. Lol but not lol
God bless my friend. Come to Utah.
Also in CA, thats when 1911s actually become a reasonable defense handgun.
357 & 40 cal, 1 shot stoppers! Didn't I hear that somewhere recently? 👍
"Propellants and bullet designs have gotten better" plays into the 40 being king