Sell the Honda CRF250R buy a BETA Xtrainer?
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- čas přidán 27. 03. 2020
- Riding the Beta XTrainer and the Honda CRF250R back to back on my Small woods loop to try an figure out which Dirt bike I prefer.
Not the Results I expected.. - Auta a dopravní prostředky
I recently went from a Honda Crf230f to a 2020 XTrainer. Lowered the 230, four inches and moved my wife up to it from her Crf150f (she's loving it). Anyway, it's a totally different animal. I've owned a lot of bikes over the years, 2t and 4t. I've been looking at the XTrainer since it came out and finally pulled the trigger. I'm so glad I did. I missed the 2 stroke. I do mostly technical, tight, woods riding with obstacles and so far I'm loving it. The suspension seems good for what I do. But again, I'm not launching it. Climbing, hopping, medium jumps, it's good for me. Better than the 230 was. It definitely soaks it up better. It's got so much low end grunt it's crazy. It can be lugged around the woods so much slower than the 230 without stalling. I'm amazed with it in comparison with other 2 strokes that I've owned and ridden. That's my input anyway. Stay healthy everyone! Ride on! ✌😁
Excellent information, I appreciate it! Did you look at the 200RR? Curious to know your thoughts, as your riding style sounds about like what I would be doing. The only thing is, I'd like to plate whatever I get for the occasion when I want to ride the streets to a trail.
Cheers from Vermont!
@@TK-cl1jm I checked out the 200RR, but from what I read, the XTrainer is more evenly powered for the riding that I do. And if I remember correctly, the seat is lower on the XT. I'm 5' 10" and I like to have that extra little sense of security on uneven ground. So seat height had always been one of my top things to consider for me.
I did just buy a Throttle Tamer for it. I haven't installed it yet. But, from reviews on it that I've read, they're supposed to be pretty good. The throttle is really "snappy" for me at low speeds. Like I mentioned, I do mostly tight trails riding and it's just very quick to react from closed to even quarter throttle. The tamer is supped to help with that. We'll see.
I was pleasantly surprised when I picked up my bike, when the dealer asked me if I wanted it plated. I said "hell yeah I do!". LOL. I had no idea that this bike was ready from the factory to be street legal. Well, here in Michigan anyway. We don't need turn signals here, but the wiring is already there for them. Just need a flasher unit and lights. But, I just use arm signals. It has a horn, headlight, brake light, just have to slap a mirror on. So keep that in mind while shopping.
We have a ton of forestry roads here that can be ridden with a plated bike. If I knew from the get go that the XT would come plated, it would've been a tick in the buy box 👍
Stay safe my friend! Crazy times and they don't seem to be getting any better. Ride on!! ✌😎
The xtrainer is my next bike. Not getting rid of my other bikes though. 2020+ have a counter balancer. I really love the idea of a 7/8ths bike. Like a 125 with a 300. That would be my hard enduro weapon.
Your yard certainly has potential for a nice twisty track. Looking forward to the upcoming vids.
Thanks! Stay safe out there!
Some of the 2019 xtrainers had engine problems but Beta coverered the repair at no charge..I haven't heard anybody having engine problems with the Honda RX and it gets good reviews.
The XTrainers looks like fun bikes if you want to go slow, but the suspension is where the cost savings was for the most part. I would much rather get the Beta 300RR, personally. The only sucky thing about the CRF250R is the flame out factor. Well, the magic button is always nice to have as well...
I like the idea of you getting a 250rx
Nice flowy start you've got. :)
Getting there! The other section is about the same amount of space. Should be over 1 mile when all said an done. Also need to add in the Enduro Cross section, and my table top. But Ill get that done once I finish the loop.
The xtrainer was one of my favorites at the demo. For hare scrambles, no thanks lol. Would be a really cool technical trail bike or a confidence builder to get into hard enduros. 250f is hard to beat and loving my Sherco 250ser (2st model). Awesome course by the way and congrats on the new place!
CRF250F, XTrainer, 200RR...
That's where I'm at right now, though of course I've yet to ride any of them...or any other dirt bike in about 40 years! I'm doing it, though, before I hit 60!👍😁
@@TK-cl1jm the 200rr was really fun too. All good choices and yeah, get out there and ride! 😁
Personally I go with Honda, because that's all I ever had. I'm sure the Betas are solid too.
I just bought thr 2021 beta 250rr , waiting for it to be built for me in the next couple weeks. I'm coming from 2002 kx125 upped to a 144cc. Hope I am making the right call here. As im looking for a bike to pretty much handle everything including mx track
A 250f is hard to beat as long as you can keep flowing, fast 2nd and 3rd gear on up....Have to put the beta in its element to shine. Brutal first and 2nd gear single track, low traction hill climbs with roots and rocks. Slippery creek banks.....it would be great to have both.
Agree! I have seen what a Trials / Hard Enduro racer can do with the Xtrainer. The 250R would burn a clutch out if I did that sort of riding on it. We just dont have that type of terrain anywhere near VA. The hardest Places I can think of is Hatfield and McCoy Diamond Trail. But I have only been once. Wish I could Afford both, but this house I just bought is a Bit on the expensive side. Trying to keep my Debts / toys down to a minimum for a while.
@@GladiusJon for sure, especially now. Glad I got out of the dealership 3.5 years ago. That 250f has to be a hoot in your woods. How many hours on it now?
Yea no doubt, its scary getting in peoples cars right now. Never know which ass hat has corona an decided it was a good time to Service their vehicle.. Mine has probably 14 hours now. It only had 6 hrs before I moved sadly. At this rate I might need a top end before winter LOL!
If you ride single track woods check out used Ktm 250XC, Huskies, & Gas Gas 250. My friend sold his Ktm for a Gas Gas. Their really sweet bikes.
I think you really want a Beta 300RR. The XT is nice, but its really a low speed, tight technical rocks and roots and mud
Of all the bikes the Xtrainer is my favorite for the hard stuff. It sucks at going fast so not a great hare scramble bike, but hard Enduro? Yes, all day. The suspension stock is teerrrrrrrible. You’ll spend the extra cost you’re saving on not buying a RR just getting the suspension to place where it won’t kill you.
Hare scramble? Yz250x or non x (if you don’t mind kicking) it and you miss 2 strokes. The bike you have is also perfect. Woods revalve and rip it. Just my thoughts, gl!
NoirXplorer a 250xc, yes but I’ve never ridden a gasgas. Funny story, gasgas was was gonna lend me an EC to review, but then they ghosted me after we got it arranged, so I have a bit of hate for the brand. 😖 Have you considered a Sherco, those are supposed to be outstanding.
how much you weigh. would the suspension be ok if your a lighter guy
Ride the 200RR or the 300RR. The suspension is much different. I have a 300rr and have ridden the x-trainer. The suspensions are totally different as well as the engine temperament.
I'd love to see a 2020 honda 250rx
Could you please do a video on how you soften the suspension on the Crf250r I have the same one and the suspension is not right for the trails in stock form
Use the racetech calculator for springs for your weight you may have to try a few sets before you get it right. Also go softer on the pressure springs in the forks. Put your clickers in the stock position. Set your sag, then adjust sag up and down and decide what you like by feel. Go ride, dont even bother with having it revalved. The pressure springs make a huge difference in the trail chop.
I think you’re best bet is to sell the crf and get the yz250fx because it is made for woods the gearing suspension and more low end also it is extremely cost efficient go with the yz250fx instead of the crf250rx
I rode a yz250x & it still has a motoX transmission. The only thing they did was add softer suspension. I wish they'd find an answer. That's not it.
Thru the woods where you were riding...Beta every time!!
How does the suspension compare to a klx300/250?
I would personally keep the Honda because I have some buddies that have betas and it seems like something is always wrong with the bike compared to the Hondas that never have really caused me any issues or my other buddies but the beta could just be a lemon that he got
250rx would be a cool bike
I have a '22 250 rr.Bike is sick and better suspension than the XT.
Well ive just sold my 250r (im too short to enjoy in the bush). Im struggling to decide between the xtrainer or 200rr
Well what did you choose? and was it the right choice? im in the same boat as you are
Old vid I know but I think you need a YZ125X or YZ250X.
Sweet
I own a xTrainer and it is a fun bike with more power than you would ever need. That said it is not a race bike. At speed above 20mph it is not confidence inspiring and aggressive turning is a chore.
Yea it has a ton of power, its definitely still a 300 2 stroke. Agree about the 20 mph mark, Thats when I noticed things got kinda sketch. I think if a suspension tuner got a hold of it, It would be one heck of an awesome racer.
@@GladiusJon I have heard of people replacing the forks but the forks it comes with are very limited on what can be done. I sent mine out to Stillwell and it was better but no where near my KTM 300 xcw. By the time you get the xTrainer to where you want it you could have just bought the 10K bike. If you have very short legs this may be the best option.
Makes sense! I went that route with my DRZ trying to make it a KTM. Ended up just buying the KTM HAHAHA!
@@GladiusJon And that's the one problematic issue with the Xtrainer. The suspension is built for going slow in technical chop. As soon as you ramp up to any kind of trail speed, it will eject you. It will cost anywhere from $500 to $$$$ moonshot dollars to fix it, it all comes down to how you need the suspension to perform. Either a solid revalve and tune, or a straight suspension swap. Either way, it's a great bike, beginner or advanced rider.
Can’t beat a Honda, but I believe you can buy hydrolic clutches for them...
Im on a 2018 Xtrainer, only been riding 3 years. I love the bike, but once I started getting faster I swapped the forks with a 2014 Beta 450, but left the shock stock. Definitely not a Harescramble bike, I did a few Enduros and it was great. Then I borrowed my buddies xcf250 and now Im about to buy a 2020 YZ250FX.
Yeah, there main goal with that bike is 100% enduro. It was never meant for hare scramble. That cool you tried though.
Why not just have your CRF suspension setup for what you like to ride ?
Thats a very real possibility. Only down fall is no E start.
Why not consider an yz fx or x
NoirXplorer I agree with everything you say, but he’s not looking to spend expensive ktm/husky prices, and anything close to it would be the yz250x... the yz250x is Japanese market attempt at harescramble racing, but it’s lacks, transmission, fuel tank, electric start
I recked my bike today and the handle that you use to pull the brake broke off
That sucks! do you have hand guards?
No I don’t have handguards
Have you considered a KTM Freeride?
I cant find one thats gas. The electric one wouldn't last long enough during a hare scramble.
Would you recommend the beta for a beginner?
Yes Definitely!
I appreciate the info. I should’ve added that I was a 47 year old haven’t ridden a bike since I was 17 beginner. Still same answer?
Very much still the same answer. Its very forgiving, and can do a lot for what it is. The power comes on mellow in the lower revs. Once you get used to it, you can make it sing!
@@poohbear6468 I'm in a similar spot, though at 47 you're still a punk kid!😝😉
What about the 200RR? That one sounds close to checking my boxes, although I would definitely have to be careful with the power...
Cheers from Vermont!
unless you are fast b or better rider the suspension is fine, you watch the guys complaining about the suspension, they are slow as crap anyway. reminds me of the people i instructed at driving school that wanted to know what car would make them faster. the kid that can't skate always has lousy skates. fyi, keep the honda
Go Beta XT300 🥇
KTM 250 xc is what you need
Speed Jakes getting a Chanel for riding and challenges and more called speed Jake and star bucks Sarah coming soon
Yes...
There you are! How you holding up with this virus??
@@GladiusJon well it's safer here than usa, at lest if I get it I don't go bankrupt, I don't have insurance in usa.. Only here so I'm. Gonna spend some time here till I figure shit out.. I'm bored, bought a condo, Will start working on it as soon as this damn virus dies
I Definitely agree our Health care system is fucked... Congrats on the condo!! Im guessing no dirty bike soon?
90% rider, 10% bike. 98% of people that buy dirt bikes never ride them to their full potential when stock. They think changing this , adding that or a different bike will make them faster. Instead of working on riding the bike they have, the way they bought it. But, I get it. It's always fun and satisfying to buy shit for your bike.
True except for the case were one bike has e start and a soft suspension. Easier to ride in a 2 hr race.
@@GladiusJon Racing or recreational riding. It doesn't really matter. If you're really serious about learning how to go faster on your bike. Making your bike "easier" to ride doesn't really make you faster. Riding/practicing more, better physical conditioning and pushing your limits does. In my opinion.
Do you race? Cause I’ll be honest. Sounds like you are just regurgitating Barry’s philosophy. In a hare scramble, one crash is all it takes. Why do people crash? Fatigue is a big reason. Making a bike easier to ride with better suspension / tires. And Estart vs kicking a flooded bike.. It’s not as simple as “get better at riding”. You nor I will ever be Jarvis. But that said, you do you. I don’t care.
@@GladiusJon I only regurgitate too much alcohol or bad food.
You're comparing the wrong bike, the Xtrainer is the least powerful and shortest suspended Beta. The X trainer is a very good beginner scooter. Ride a 300 RR you'll get a more real comparison.
@@leglamps I would not call the XTrainer a beginner bike. I own a 2020 XTrainer and I've owned a lot of bikes, 3 and 4 wheelers, and ridden a ton of others, over the years. I'm by no means an expert nor do I claim to be. However, I wouldn't put this in a beginner category. Just sayin. Ride on ✌😬
Never understood people that ride MX bikes in the woods.
Guys who aren’t rich like you and can’t afford two different bikes
@@johnnyhelems5296 Sucks to be such a lame loser then.
@@mocioclistu nice
Yamaha 250fx
Haven’t heard much of the ktm in a while
Sold it months ago.
Gladius Jon
Well, I got a 2020 ktm 300 and I absolutely love the thing, I’m really surprised that you sold it
I had to, my Old house needed some repairs before I could sell it. Tell you the truth I had a few days that I was actually really depressed. I had been stuck at home doing Repairs / showings. Not riding.. It was really rough... But thats over and done. Got my own track now. Getting into shape for the restart of 2020 race season.
Gladius Jon
I haven’t really ridden this year either, our group was going to WV to ride some trails but all this corona crap forced them to close
Yea I heard Budds Creek, and Wicomico also shut down also. Im pretty worried about this virus. Seems its more of a big deal then they let on.. I have Family who is Working at a local hospital. She decribed it as SARS 2.0. She had a 28 year old non smoker who was in perfect health pass away.. Lung Failure.
Buy a 2020 beta.
advrider.com/f/threads/main-bearing-failures-late-model-beta-rr250-rr300-xtrainer-models.1378316/
Beta let's you custom add all the usual stuff before you pick up the bike. I'm a fan of their turn key setup.
Consider also upgrading suspension and custom valving by professional suspension shop.
Thanks for the heads up on that!!!
Get another 300
This Xtrainer is a 2018, not 2017...
I was gona pin you comment so people see it but apparently youtube removed PIN.
Man i wonder why i have such trouble streaming your videos. I have 0 issues with anyone elses channels. But your videos always seem to stop and have to buffer then playback all messed up til it catches up. Its hard to watch. No matter what settings i change the quality to. Very strange. Very disappointing. Same thing happens on my phone using my data plan vs my wifi. Its not all of your videos but 90% of them wont play thru normally for me. Anyways keep at it man! When they do play thru. I enjoy your content
Thats really concerning actually. I have no control over it unfortunately. I have herd rumors that youtube will downgrade bandwidth on some channels. :( Ill send support an Email and see if theres anything that can be done. Appreciate the heads up!
I hope they can straighten it out. You make great content. I always attempt to watch all your new uploads. Some seem to play back fine. I did get thru most of this one but couldnt listen to the conclusion at the end unfortunately. It chopped it up real bad on my end.
Same here, just started watching your videos and man its a pain in the arse.
Beta buy a Beta?
And the yz 250x ?
We all wish Japan would come up with an answer. They still have a motoX transmission & the suspension isn't set up like a good enduro like the KTm 250xc, gasgas, & husky.
@@noirxplorer3185 i agree
I have a 2017 KTM 250xc and I cannot imagine a better trail bike. It has tons of torque and plenty of zip. It is near perfect trail/ enduro/ mx play bike.
Geta a Beta?! Sure... X trainer? Nahhhhh dude lol
Truth! Really weird, not what I was expecting.. The 390 still Stands out on my Favorite list.
@@GladiusJon that was my wife's and a few of my buddies favorite too!
I felt really at home on it for some reason. The 430 was my second Fav. Found out that the RR Have titanium Valves, and RR-S have steel. Think it would be better Going RR-S and BYOB closed cartridge suspension vs RR?
@@GladiusJon I'd go RR! Ti all the way! :)
Any real enduro is better.
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