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Would this information help if put to watchdog?
Peugeot and Citroen issued a recall in 2021 relating to the wet timing belt degrading and causing restricted oil flow within the engine, which could cause significant damage. Although we would expect any car affected to have had rectification work carried out, it is possible that there are cars out there that have not been using the correct oil grade. We would expect a replacement timing belt to cost between £400 and £600
You have the engine model wrong, its an "ecosploder"
Simple Money see my Mondeo Mk 5 post.
I have the ford puma 1.0 155 bhp the breaks feel like there grinding and also when you turn the steering wheel full lock to the right there's a clunking sound ford have said there's nothing wrong with the car and there's nothing I can do about it as its motorbility vehicle so I've got to put up with ut for another year then get something else maybe cupra born or what ever else there is with a nice enough linger enough mile range ish
My daughter has a 69 plate fiesta st line x would this have the wet belt ?
ford should be ashamed of themselves
They should be ashamed of themselves for passing a stupid design into production, it's a failure waiting to happen.
@@peter7624 just the fact the belts are hidden inside the engine is a bad idea.
Ford has been beyond that for decades.
If they want a damaged reputation and reduced confidence in buying, just carry on.
Henry Ford would certainly be ashamed and rectify the issue, however the current owners will sleep sound and night.
Shocking that they are allowed to get away with what is a clear manufacturing fault
Check out Renault claim in France for faulty 1.2 dig-T
It's not. The fault is that owners don't put the correct oil in the engine.
@@petermorris9592manufacturers fault.
Sounds more like a design flaw than a manufacturing fault.
bullshit we see loads of these with issues @@petermorris9592
Back in the day I was a Ford fan. Sadly those days are long gone. I wouldn't touch a Ford with a barge pole now.
So what would you rate today?
Bag of shite now, even the Transit aren't as popular as they were, too expensive and unreliable compared to the Euro van
@@ApnaChoudjapanese
Toyota Corolla @@ApnaChoud
Built to fail.
I work in roadside recovery. All PSA and for vehicles with wet belts are affected by this. It's been going on for 5 years at least
PSA issued a recall. Hasn't stopped the things from blowing up though!
@@S-Ltd1000 I simply wouldn't touch anything that Stellantis have been near
Yes. Seeing these PSA cars in our workshop all the time. Hard to believe as a mechanic what engineer ever thought running a timing belt in oil was ever a good idea. Scandalous.
My brother in law had to scrap his 2016 DS because the timing belt has flaked away in the engine due to the oil and nobody would touch it with a barge pole. Sounds an absolutely stupid design!?!
I don’t know what the case is for Ford but on the early PSA puretech cars in the vehicle handbook it says replace timing belt every 112k miles which is part of the problem. In February of this year my 2015 DS3 unfortunatly broke down on the M27. As annoying as it was at the time the repair was very minor and not too expensive to fix.
While in the garage I did ask them to have a good look at the vehicle to check it over for anything else and this is where they alerted me about the condition of my timing belt: although it is not flaking yet, it will be within the next few thousand miles. It wouldn’t get to 80k mile.
Mine has just hit 72k miles and is booked in for the 21st of this month. Nowhere near what the handbook says. It does say on Citroens website now to change every 62.5k miles now for pure tech engines but this is not public enough and many people will resort to their handbooks. A lot of otherwise perfectly good 2013-2018 cars will be affected by this sadly
Well said. I was interested in buying a used Fiesta or Focus for my daughter until I heard about this. Shocking lack of response from Ford to a clear problem. I will buy from a brand that looks after customers better than this.
1.25cc or 1.4 ford engines are reliable.
Well let us know when you find this manufacturer, they are all the same, nknd if them will give you the steam off their piss!
Only 1 engine affected its the 💥 boom 1 litre 1.6 and 2.0 are fantastic but I understand why people will change from ford boom 💥
I wish I'd known sooner about this issue, I bought a 2014 focus for my young son for when he passes his test. The problem is though it's not only Ford that use these wet belts, other car companies do too.
1 word, TOYOTA. I'm sorry I had to let mine go (due to rust) and replaced it with a PSA wet belt engined car. I won't be keeping this car for 10 years, that's for sure!
I'm not a fan of wet belt engines, whether that is a Ford engine or PSA group engine.
Rubber running in engine oil is just plain wrong.
How come Nissan and others use a chain? Go figure.....
One true fact is that the PSA group engine is loosely based on the eco boost engine. Peugeot gave Ford there diesel engine and Ford gave them the eco boost engine but Peugeot bored it out to 1.2 and bolted their bits to it
nissan is junk too plastic timing guides that fail alot
Lot of Nissan cars now have Renault engines the juke & etc .they are crap as well with tensioners & belts.
Even the merc 180's also have the same 1.5dci engines
@@zahirahmed2498Yes, that's right. I recall a merc GLA owner being horrified when he opened his bonnet to see a poxy renault 1.5dci pile of crap under the damn thing. He actually got rid of it at 30k with knackered fuel injectors.
I’ve got a mk1 focus , it’s 20 years old. Engine is sweet as a nut. It’ll probably outlast most of these ecobombs.
I’m sure someone will start a class action lawsuit, and then they’ll get off their arses.
Worry geezer worry motor😂
@@billpugh58
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I loved my old tdci, but the great British weather decided to eat her
@@Adam-gq7gkrust will get to Old fords before the engine goes
Ford USA was dragged through the courts. Until this happens here( it won't) nothing will happen. The only hope is that the EU ( yes those guys) will act on what's happened in the USA and force Ford to do the right thing.
excellent comment👍. . nothing to add
The EU is in the pocket of big business hence enforced mass invasion of Europe so ford gets a free pass.
I have something to add, just dont buy ford. I know all cars regardless of manufacturer go wrong at some point but when ford refuse to fix a problem they are aware of it speaks volumes what they really value most and its not their customers or reputation. Just money and greed!
Yep little England cant stand up against Ford !
EU6 was a step too far and most manufacturers have issues with their engines. JLR and Ford are not the only manufacturers to fall foul of E6.
The simple reason why Ford UK are not are not recalling these flawed cars is that the UK doesn't have a legal system comparable to the class action lawsuit system as in the US.
Loosing against a class action lawsuit can cost millions.
A few years back there was a very similar situation with certain models of Hewlett-Packard laptop computers where many were failing both in and just outside warranty. The reason: a chip on the mainboard was becoming so hot it partially desoldered itself from the mainboard. In the US under threat of a class action lawsuit, HP extended the warranty by 2 years and repaired f.o.c. laptops failing with this issue. In the UK where products were failing with the exact same issue, HP refused to extend the warranty. This meant that here if your laptop failed just after the 1 year warranty expired it was effectively scrap as repair costs were prohibitive.
Finally, having had to scrap my Focus 1.8 TDCi on account of a failed wet belt, I'll never buy a car with a wet belt system again. Ford or otherwise.
Just off hand how would you know if it had a wet belt system? Like other suppliers for example? I normally stick to German cars so I definitely know they don't have one but
@@Adam-gq7gk Personally if it doesn't have a chain I'm not interested. Why would they even come up with this wet belt nonsense? In what way could something like that ever be better than the tried and tested chain? Absolutely mental.
@rollyunicorn I've seen another reply about the engine fitting on a sheet of a4 paper so maybe they did it to save space or something? Can't see any other reason for doing it
I hope Ford listens to you and the BBC and get their backsides into gear! Thanks for sharing! 👍👍
Ford most probably calculated that going to court in US and loosing would cost them more than recall.
That is not the case in UK or EU - remember Diesel-gate?
Just reinforces why I've NEVER owned a Ford and never will. Shame on them
ford did the same with the steering racks on the mk5 mondeo, took over 3yrs after the recall in america before they issued a recall for the faulty bolts fitted, denying all the time that there was a problem with them while replacing them in america
Like many others I experienced the steering rack issue on the 57 plate Mondeo (bought new). Ford refused to acknowledge the issue with the seals and wouldn't recall. Cost me a lot of money to resolve even using my really helpful long term mechanic. Vowed then I'd never buy another Ford and haven't. Same mechanics told me of the Ecoboost debacle and the quantity of vehicles coming into them with major problems. Their honest assessment was to avoid that engine and avoid Ford because the build quality generally had deteriorated so significantly. I'd previously had a Fiesta followed by 2 other Mondeo's so was a Ford loyalist. Not any longer.
You've hit the nail on the head. There are to many cars with this engine in Europe. back in 2015 over 230,000 1.0L eco-boost engines were on the roads of Europe so the cost today would be astronomical due to the labour content of the work. Ford won't touch it unless they are forced to through the courts or the DVSA Safety Recalls code of practice. It's as ever about the money!
Why would anyone buy a Ford car anymore? They have confirmed that they will not look after their customers now or in the future. Bye bye Ford
Proof I’ll wait
judging by your handle@@VFRhondamike I'll have to assume you're taking the piss , or was it your little brother VFhondamike, that wasn't an engineering fuckup ??
I have a Ford. It has a dry cam belt. It was made in 1975!
Because they handle well, are comfortable, easy to get parts for, cheap to run, and reliable. That's why.
@@petermorris9592 Definitely mid table only when it comes to reliability as a brand and I refer you back to the headline .
Sold our 2013 ecoboost fiesta and bought the same size engine (1.0turbo petrol 3 pot) kia rio, same bhp no wet belt👍
The £1200 we saved on changing the belt on a 2013 car helped buy a 2017 car.
Same here, sold my 2013 Ecoboost Fiesta last year and bought a 1.0 turbo petrol 3 cylinder from another manufacturer.
Great video, and this problem is exactly why my daughter has recently sold her 1.0 eco-boost fiesta before it goes eco-boom! No more Fords for us. It’s disgraceful! 9:37
Unless you really do your homework on your particular car issue and fully understand the design you have and the failings, you will get fobbed off by dealers with these ecoboosts ,
I’m a big Ford fan, but it’s disgusting how they’ve dealt with these ecoboost customers. I’m on the FB group and these cars have literally ruined people financially. How the DVSA and governments haven’t stepped in to force Fords hands I don’t know.
Wasn’t there a similar problem with those tiny turbo engines blowing up all the time?
Ecoboom..😅
I'm a big Ford fan as well always has been since I first played Gran Turismo 2, and it's really been hard to be a fan of anything they did for the last 10 year (other than the good old Mustang). Stop making cars like the Fiesta and Focus, wet belt timing system, dry Dual Clutch Transmission replacing the reliable torque converter automatic (seriously anyone who buy automatic on EcoSport, Fiesta or Focus won't care about DCT they only care to get from point A to be B with comfort).
I'm really glad with my 2012 Fiesta, manual tranny, reliable 1.6 petrol. Honestly I can't imagine myself buying any Ford today unless I can afford the Mustang.
Ford fan..
Omg..
Chinese cars I would trust more. I rate them.better.
@@jonathansimmons5353 bruh, I live in South east Asia where Chinese cars like Wuling, DFSK, Cherry are plenty. Trust me, I'll take the ecoboost and change the belt every 3 year than driving chinese.
Ford has a long history of not fixing it's flawed products. The reason is simple - many of their products are so badly flawed they are not fixable no matter what is done. Like the dual clutch transmission for example. So they just deny their customers any remedy whatsoever.
Some of these wet belts are a joke.i owned a peugeot 308 with 55k on the clock which needed a new timing belt, oil pump sump cleaned out and oil flushed through it twice.
I recommend staying clear of wet timing belts.
My 1.2 puretech broke down at 40 000 miles. Oil pump failure. Stay away from these engines.
Fortunately I got rid of mine after replacing both vvt solenoids, a sure sign of a failing belt. Traded it in on a Mazda 3 skyactiv G petrol which has been bulletproof over the last 3 years.
It's the same story in the ecoblue diesel. I've just spent £1100 changing the belt at 70k miles as a precaution. Mechanic said the belt had started to deteriorate and pieces were in the oil pick up.
Would he say nahh it’s perfect after he’s just fleeced you of 11 hundred sovs 😂
Cmon man stop it
@@chiefrocka8604… Not everyone is dishonest!!
It was done for peace of mind. Would have made no odds if it was perfect. Ask around some are fine, some are almost disintegrated with no rhyme or reason. It's 10 grand for another engine.
@@aalphataxisWhich version of the ecoblue you got? 1.5L or 2L?
@user-fq8tt2tm6q 2.0. I had a vauxhall before with a chain. No bother whatsoever.
Glad I got rid of mine!
Mine was sound. Had it 3.5 years with nothing but great mpg, fun to drive and £20 tax.
I have got rid of Fiesta Vignale, My Brother in Law’s Brother had a 1.0L Ecoboost Focus failed on the motorway, when the AA arrived for recovery, he confirmed it was a Wet belt failure. It’s a known problem.
sorry to hear
Thank you, the problem between UK and US when it comes to Companies being held accountable for poorly designed Cars, Engines is that there seems to be much more clout over there, In the U.K. Our Government’s and Agency’s always seems to be one the side of the Companies until it really goes wrong, The Post Office Scandal is a prime example.
My 125bhp 1.0l 2016 fiesta belt has just snapped. It's only got 63000 miles on the clock. I've been informed that it's going to cost me roughly £3000 to repair. Is it worth fixing?
Bravo Lee. What do they expect would happen putting a rubber belt in a liquid that gets super hot.....it's going to desintegrate the belt. Keep going Lee, a victory for the little people is needed :)
Hot 🔥 oil and rubber don't agree 👌 why they didn't just put a dry belt on rubber wet belt is joke
They could all be using gears: last forever.
They'd lose servicing profits, perhaps, but stay in business and clean up on market share.
@@G-ra-ha-myes STEEL gears & not the Lignum Vitae or Tufnol crap Ford used on the Cologne & Later Essex V engines.
Ever since I was a mechanic working on Fords in the 1960s I've avoided them like the plague, they were a heap of crap then and they're a heap of crap now. I wouldn't even buy a wheelbarrow if it had a Ford badge on it!
Yes, but those Ford's from the 60s & 70s were simple to work on, had simple Lucas Electrics, conventional layout, had plenty of working room under the bonnet, had reasonable power ( even in crossflow form), good handling, good styling as well . Huge choice of Engines & body styles! Pity they didn't pay more attention to rustproofing.Ford stuff now is pretty dull despite slick advertising. To many unsavoury tie ins with VW, PSA & Iveco/ Fiat
@@mikemartin2957 Can't argue with much of what you say, but they were still crap. Can't complain though, I used to make a living out of fixing them when they broke down or failed, which they did with alarming frequency, like the Mk 3 Cortinas with Pinto engines that ate camshafts on a regular basis from the day they were launched, the awful design meaning that you couldn't get the camshaft out without taking the head off. We've just had to pay for 2 new engines in Transits, one 2019 with 77k miles which blew its head gasket and the main dealer couldn't get the injectors out to get the head off, and the other 2018 with a broken wet cambelt 30k miles before it was due for change. As I said, they were a heap of crap way back then and they still are!
Its unfathomable how they tested this engine b4 launch and not one engineer ever thought that running a belt through oil might cause issues, clearly they were so happy about the headlines about it fitting on an A4 sheet of paper they forgot to test it properly. Bizarre
They knew all about this problem long time ago. As they were being designed and prototypes being built they where failing on endurance tests in the test cells in Dunton essex
These belts have been used successfully in machine tools for ages. However machine tools don’t build up combustion products in the oil and don’t get the wrong oil on servicing. Both are aggravating factors for belt failure. I am not a fan.
I'm not surprised they only did it in the US because they probably sold about 5 cars with this tiny engine lol so it's not much cost to them compared to probably hundreds of thousands in the UK
He stated 140,000. Dunno where you get 5 from, thin air ?
@@andrewwaller5913 It was just an exaggeration in comparison to the amount of cars with the 1.0 ecoboost in the UK
@@sbrader97 Yes I realise that but you imply that virtually none were sold in the USA, but that is where Ford ARE recalling them!
Won’t buy these as stock any year. 8 failure lines. Garbage Nobody, max 1 in 8 services cars on time using entirely right oils. These are always going to collapse these EcoBooms
My father worked at Fords manufacturing Uk for over thirty years, therefore my brother and I were entitled to a family discount even after he passed.However, due to many major faults and poor service from the dealers and Ford themselves after purchasing 6x new cars between us, plus myself also having from new a company Transit van (2018), this vehicle went in to be fixed about 7 times and recovered twice in the 1st 18 months! After a 10 year spell with Ford we gave up, switching to Mazda and Skoda, we have enjoyed a hassle free car experience ever since. Honestly I cannot see the attraction of Ford as a brand.
My 2017 manual Ford Focus failed me this week - oil pressure light came on, I pulled over. AA towed to garage and the engine is damaged beyond repair. The garage described exactly the same problem you are discussing. I still have a year to pay on the car - can't afford to get it fixed, can't afford to replace it. Thank you so much for highlighting this - the more I read the more I realise there are many people in the same position.
Just to add, it had 78000 on clock and a full service history.
Turns out the "boost" in ecoboost was to boost your car straight off the road so it's more "eco"
Not really. The issue is only with their 1.0 engines not the others. But that's to hard to get for some. Easier to badmouth the entire engine family...
Basically, stick to petrol or diesel Fords from years ago, the Zetec petrols and 1.8
turbo diesels were brilliant.
My 2005 2L zetec petrol is still fine and starts first time. Yes, VED is very high now but the car is cheap to run over the 18 years that I have owned it. Terrible about the latest scandal but the laws in the UK are weak for customer safety.
The 1.8 TDCi diesels were derived from a Peugeot engine iirc. Ford can’t claim the credit for them. The 1.25 petrol Zetecs were decent engines in the Fiesta mk4 and above. The 1.4 petrol Zetec 90ps in the mk4 Fiesta was discontinued though due to overheating problems. After that, the 1.6 Zetec petrol units in mk5’s were solid.
@@djemmay Nope, you're talking crap. The 1.6 and 2.0 TDCi engines were PUG derived, the 1.8 TDCi (Lynx) engines were based on an old Ford engine from the 80s. There's enough people spreading misinformation on YT these days, without you joining that group!
@@djemmayYeah i bought a fiesta 1.25 zetec of a family member (1 year old) when I started a job with 110 mile commute. I had no intention of keeping the job so was not too bothered about running 1.25 fiesta for a few months. Turned out I spent 9 years in the Job and the fiesta was just the work hack car. 195000 miles before I got rid of it, absolutely nothing went wrong with it beyond minor items like heater resister packs 2 times and general maintenance. I am considering getting another one to keep forever now I am retired.
I have the 1.6 tdci in my Fiesta and it’s nearly on 200k, but Ford can’t take credit for it as it’s a DV6 Peogeot lump.
The eco boost engine when it came out was lorded as the best engine around, almost mystical. Fastward a few years . 🙈👍
In many ways, that's still true. If Ford had to just used a chain and tensioners of an appropriately good grade, instead of this crazy idea of running a rubber belt in dirty engine oil, this issue simply wouldn't be happening.
...yeah, the best engine to fail!
It still is since only The 1ltr engines are affected
The reason Ford have done nothing here in the UK?
Because we’re British and we won’t complain and push hard enough.
Huge kudos to you for what you’ve accomplished on this.
You seem to be the spearhead on this and, for that, you should be saluted.
The wet belt system is terrible...
I had a 09 Transit connect 1.8 that had a wet belt..
It got to 130k so decided to do a chain conversion as i was gettting worried lol.
Lucky i did to be fair because it was a right mess when took it out, back of the belt was cracked everywhere and was defo due to fall apart...
So much better with that chain....
I got an 03 connect with the bottom chain standard. The wet bottom belt started late 2007. I'm looking at some newer connects 09/12.chain conversation Willbe first thing I do. Where did you get the bottom chain kit? How much it cost?
@@bigend07 Got it from eBay, full kit. Chain, top belt, water pump and gaskets...
Not too bad of job if you take your time, hardest part was getting the injector pump gasket on without damaging it..
@@wezist great will look 👍 Yes done the injector pump on mine before when did engine replacement, used some sealer on the outer gasket. You on about the fine rubber ring you have to side through? 9 years mine not leaked. Want a newer connect but this will be first job if I go for one
@@bigend07 Yes bud the the rubber ring, mine was mega tight.. I've just had a look at my old purchases to see where I got it from but the listing no longer exists...
Great vans, I have a 15 plate one now and it isn't half as good as the old one, to be fair that one is still going strong (a friend bought it from me) has over 200k on now!
Doubt this one will last that long....
Same thing here with the mustang wireloom in the boot, US and ANZ recalled it but they wont do it in the UK
Only got a partial allowance as the Ford dealer insisted on charging an extra substantial fee just to observe the snapped wires in addition to the charge for the repair.
Good work and research Lee.If enough pressure is put on Ford UK they will buckle.They have mis sold a product not fit for purpose.I only ever drove one once a Focus estate 1 litre eco boost and i was scratching my head at such a big heavy car having a puny engine.
That's why you are obviously not an automotice powerplant engineer . . .
Nice One Lee ,,
All the best to all the ford owners , 👍
We have exactly this issue today with our 2018 Focus ST Line which is at 70k miles. Oil light came on on motorway then moments later, lost all power. and was making awful noises. Managed to get to hard shoulder without causing an accident as a plume of smoke came out of the exhaust before the engine went kapputt completely. The recovery guy and our mechanic (who wouldn't even touch it) knew exactly what it was and we are left now without a car. We contacted Ford via email who sent a wishy washy response. Upon replying to that we mentioned BBC's WatchDog and now they have responded saying they have referred us to another department and are asking for lots of information which we are going to send over tomorrow. Don't hold out much hope based on other people's stories but it is actually criminal! Thanks for your informative videos.
Hi Lee. Jesus I haven't heard anything about this bro 😢. Nice one for the Info. I can just imagine what Ford is saying in the boardroom, lol 😆. Thanks Buddy 👋👋🫶🇨🇮
Wet belts are the best advert for going electric I know.
You are an idiot😂
I bought a 2017 ford focus eco boost 7 months ago and the engine light came on a few days after I bought the car... I was in warranty so the dealer had a garage look into it for 2 days and come back with nothing found even though a P0015 code was showing... I was told it's probably a dirty sensor and will eventually go away.
Today I now have P0015' P0017 and P00365 so I went to a garage for an opinion and was told all about the wetbelt financial nightmare is the probable cause... A £1'500 estimated bill... I've decided to pay up and keep the car hoping I get a few years out of it.
The service history has not been stamped every single year so the ford main dealer will reject a goodwill payment for sure.
Wishing I did my homework before I purchased the car solves nothing so all I can do is highlight the nightmare on social media to save the public thousands of pounds.
Thankyou for reviewing and sharing this information 👍
Went to Trustford recently to buy a 2015 Ford Focus (65 plate) but I remember what you said in the past and I did not buy.
trustford selling a 2015?
More like (don't) TrustFord !
You’re becoming a Consumer Champion! 👍🙏
2020 onwards got a chain , so many dumbos tarring the whole lot with a dirty brush.
I’ve seen 2020 on 100k miler 1.0’s only plugs oil &filters changed
Great work well done.
I have seen myself at about 70k they have issues first sign a delay in oil light going out when its started sure sign the strainer is getting blocked
Has anyone seen my dear old Mum? She went missing weeks ago with her suitcase 👜
I tried selling her a car but she was a headache, in the end I gave her a refund (not by cheque) last spotted on a bus in the direction of Staffordshire 😁👍
@@carukchannel Rumour has it she won the EuroMillions and is opening a new car sales business just up the road from you
Last seen sitting in an EV waiting to charge, hopefully she has a sleeping bag as well 😜
I have a 2015 ford bmax 1.0 ecoboost 125bhp with 86.000 on the clock
We don't have a litigious enough society for this to go anywhere in the UK. Exactly the same situation with those garbage Nissan CVT gearboxes, class action suit in the US forced them to honour replacements far past the standard warranty but over here it's jog on.
HI mate, commented on last vid on this subject, cause my lad works service dept, main ford dealer, uk. They've been inundated with enquiries regards this subject,daily in fact, dealers being left high & dry by ford, with very little support. Shocking that Ford UK behaving this way, have to say though that your on the right line with regards your assumption of reasoning behind it, absolutely its down to the shear volume of vehicles in UK & EU compared with USA, that same point being discussed massively within dealers, simply if there was to be a recall, they would struggle to cope
Wonder what the recall fix is in the US? a chain conversion maybe.
Ford UK's reaction pretty much mirrors the rest of the big company's in the UK, water, energy, insurance ect..their all the same.
Uprated belt I am told, these kits are becoming available in the UK
@carukchannel any details of where? Main dealers only or independents?
I have had 3 wetbelts replaced at our cost on the Transit 2.0 diesel. I got a big kick in the testicles from a 2019 transit connect. These have a dry timing belt but a small timing chain at the gearbox end joining the 2 cams . At 60k miles the chain tensioner failed leaving me with a bill for £8600 after it let go and destroyed the engine. Ford really are shit
I had a RAC tech come to a fault on my Kuga auxiliary battery and he saw my eco sport and said you’ve got what we call a ticking time bomb !
Did he get you up and running again andy ?
He did but the battery died again , he told me there is a lot of Kugas having failing auxiliary batteries and Fords are not recognising this issue yet
@andymcnaughton2100 get rid quick
I am changing the oil and filter at 50% oil life displayed on the information display instead of waiting for the service light to come on. However last time i noticed small bits in the bottom of the drained oil. I suspect these are bits of the belt so even changing the oil early doesnt seem to fix the Issue.
In 2019 Mercedes sent me a recall letter for passenger airbag.
Car in question is 08 plate
They changed driver and passenger airbags all free or charge
I had one for a Vauxhall today 2009 plate for corroded rear trailing arms, 😂 to be fair merc are decent on recalls, they still repair c class rear suspension arms breaking which is common and from 2008
Hello Lee, Just watched the video - good stuff. I have a Ford Focus Estate that I purchased new in 2014 that has the 1.0L Ecoboost engine (125hp) that has now done 37, 550 miles. I've been in touch with FORD UK as I knew about the recall in the U.S.A. They told me they 'Were aware of that but were not planning any recall here in the U.K'. I told them I wasn't very impressed as I was assured I would never have to worry about the cam belt; they weten't interested. I might tell you that when I bought the car I enquired at the main dealer about the cam belt and was assured it didn't have one but had a timimg chain. I also have a Fiesta, '17' plate with the Ecoboost Engine purchase new with 7,000 miles on the clock. I've been back to my Ford Main Agent that I purchased the cars from and again was told there was no recall. They have given me a quote of £1,550.00 to replace the belt which I haven't taken up as yet although my car is going to be 10 years old this month, the age they now recommend changing the belt. As you can imagine I'm not over the moon about that. As things seem to be escalating I shall now do more to see what responsibiliy FORD will take, if any. I might also add the salesman who sold me these cars is still with the Main Agent/Dealer and I spoke to him recently and amazingly he knew nothing about the problems with this engine. Mmmm? Thanks for your videos, been a subscribler for some time now. If there's any way I can help with this matter please let me know. Thanks, P.
Sorry to hear this peter, not what you expect from one of our oldest largest car brands. As for the belts they can be replaced for around half that figure you mention by firms using the correct genuine parts. Check out online there is plenty of firms doing these now as specialists. Time wise they are about 8-10 hours to do so not nice job
Peter, salesmen borrow your watch to tell you the time….. That’s fine if we understand that. My brother worked for a company that supplied “crew” transit vans to there workers a few years ago. Their vehicle off road statistics soared until they got rid early. Wouldn’t touch a Ford these days.
Hello Brian @@devonbikefilms, and thanks for the message. I've dealt with my Main Ford Agent in this area for many years, both car and agricultural. Years ago I used to say they were second to none in this area - no longer for quite a few years now. When my current Fords go you won't see another one here for several good reasons. Ford and their main dealer here don't deserve any customers. Cheers!
That Vehicle Score is pretty useful.
I am a mechanical fitter......I have spent months looking into cars and their reliability. It is a minefield. We needed an estate car for my son. We looked and researched. Newer cars are mostly overcomplicated and unreliable with some pretty scary and very costly faults. Ended up buying a 2011 mk 2.5 Ford Focus 1.6 Zetec with 65,000 miles on two owners and a full service history with timing belt done. It is in very good condition It wasn't cheap, cars are so expensive right now..Time will tell how it goes it's always a gamble. There are very few superb models to choose from. Most have serious issues.
well done reaching 50k
Thanks! 😃
That's what I said to my Fiesta Ecoboost
It's happening to manual vehicles too I regularly see them in my workshop.
eco boom! 😂typical thanks Lee keep up the good work fella
You are right to say this
my sister was asking me should i get a focus ecoboost i said hell no do not as im selling her car soon due to subframe failed on twingo
Another known fault on the MK3 Focus is water ingress into the boot area which goes under the back seats. The car just gets condensated (saturated) inside . In our car we thought it was the air con needing a regas . Once we found the fault we contacted Ford and they wanted £600 to fix. I sorted it myself by removing the rear bumper and sticking some vents back in that had come loose and allowing water in. Two days with a dehumidifier in the car to dry our as well. First Ford and last Ford we'll ever buy . And don't ask me about a cambelt change , £1600 quote .
Easy to spot in car parks around town in the summer.
Wet inside windows and the door seals hanging off.
Nearly every focus ecoboost I've seen.
Didn't see it till I had one of them myself, and it unfortunately lived up to the ecoboom name.
Such a list of common faults it was ridiculous
My 2014 1.0 lt ecoboost timing belt went in 2020 when the car had about 60,000 miles on the clock. The oil strainer had blocked 2 years previous. I sold it in Jan before it blew again .
Not true
This happened to me I was driving on the M1 and my brakes stopped working. I wonder how many people have died because of this...
The idea of keeping the belt to drive the oil pump is madness on the latest version of the ecoboost
Eco boom they call them & that’s what’s they do if that cam belt go….stay clear.
Not just ford.Citroen ,peugeot vauxhall, ect all have vehicles with wet belts.
Same issue with the Peugeot pure tech engine wet belt. Peugeot have recalled other countries but not the uk. Our car was off the road for nearly 2 months sitting at the dealership
Wow, i had considered getting one of these......... so glad i stumbled upon this.
It is called corruption, they don’t care, they just want their money, at any cost
Only had mine for 6 months this has made my mind up I'm selling it with huge loss . First and last ford I ever buy
I am now currently suffering with this issue, and trying to sort this now.
In Australia we have lemon laws, this is for cars that are constant problems, push to get that law
This has just happened to our 2016 C-Max... ours is manual... waiting to discuss with Ford!!
Well done you mate for making this issue as important as it is👍 I have a 2019 ford focus and all I can get from ford about this issue is (and my local ford dealer accidentally admitted it then realised what he/they said then quickly changed his tune) was it only affected models to 2017 but I think that’s bulls**t because it’s still the same engine in them after 2017 and why 2022 onwards are chain driven🤔 I change my oil every 6 months don’t know if it makes any difference but time will tell I guess🤷🏻
If your 2019 Focus is the mk4 version it has a timing chain. They quietly updated the engine when they released the mk4 Focus. Hope this helps
I am reliably informed that a cam chain was added during 2020 However there will be masses of wet belts registered during 2020 also so a trained eye inspection would be necessary for peace of mind.
I seem to recall that the oil pump is still driven by a blessed wet belt.
Iv replaced a lot of wet belts never had a tensioner problem not one of them it's the oil that attacks the belt which blocks ups the oil pick up and its down to the wrong grade of oil ,iv changed belts on these which have covered a 120000 miles and they were in god condition manuals and auto's
See the ecoboost to drive is lovely. Weve just bought one luckily had a ford replacement engine about 10k ago and has been and will be maintained by ford. Alot of the issue is not using the correct oils my mate who works in the dealer recons alot of the issues are customer induced be it lack of servicing or using inferior oil.
Big issues too with the wet belts on Transit custom around 2016. Wet belt fails unbelievably often. Belt degrades and small pieces of rubber block oil ways and engines fail at around 100k
I had a Transit in the late 80s, 1.6 petrol. Superb van. Cant say the same about modern versions. Ever wonder why parcel and courier firms never seem to use Transits ? Engines just dont last long enough.
exactly the same issue with the 2.0 ecoblue!!!
Good informative video
I have a manual, and I've had to have a new wet belt fitted, at great expense to me.
The mileage was 48k and the cambelt specialist said it had already started to deteriorate.
Fantastic video Lee
Many thanks mark 👍
I had the same problem with my Vauxhall Grandland x 68 plate. It had only done 34000.
There are 3 or 4 garages in my area rmthat speciise in putting in rebuilt engines mostly in transits with snapped belts there are a lot +!
I have a 1.0 ecoboost automatic. Just last week had the timing belt, oil pump belt, vac pump, exhaust cam shaft pulley and turbo all done. Nothing mentioned about the tensioner arm though, is this something I need to be concerned about and look at getting replaced as well? All the above works was undertaken after my oil pump belt had gone, common in autos apparently.
The same issue happens in the 2.0 engines in the rangers and transits. I just bought a 70 plate Ranger on 42k which thankfully has FSH. Less than 3 weeks and already having electrical issues, thinking I probably should’ve got a hilux
The problems have been highlighted on the Facebook ECOboost Nightmare group for ages. Using Ford Castrol 05W20 oil though will preserve the wet belt - other oils will degrade it. The bit about the tensioner I think is just there to confuse - I have never heard of the tensioner causing a problem in the UK before.
Na mate hot cooked oil that goes boiling point is no use to a wet belt I'm afraid
I am very surprised that a headline company of solicitors haven’t advertised for a membership to a class action …….it would make them a fortune.
Got a company ford transit connect 69 plate with 50,00miles just had the prop shaft go. Fix or repair daily is quite apt
I worked for a company years ago that used Transits to deliver their stock but the amount that broke down was astonishing. They changed the fleet to Sprinters after that and were extremely reliable.
Really Poor is that from Ford.
Thanks again Lee
My 2020 Ford Puma 1.0 ecoboost has a chain cam engine, were the later Fiesta and Focus fitted with this as well?
Thank you for your 1 litre Ecoboost engine update.
Just now seen your video after seeing last week's Watchdog about the same issue & about to get in touch with them.
Short version : travelling from Inverness to Ayr, my 2013 plate, 1 litre Ford Focus, started slowing down on the motorway, engine oil light came on, went from 60 MPH to abt 20 MPH instantly , pulled onto hard shoulder, stranded for 3 hrs in storm Isha, 6weeks ago. Recovery company said engine cracked and a right off, oil everywhere on his pickup & hard shoulder.
Insured with Aviva, still no joy 6 weeks on & salvage company Synetiq, keep being fobbed off with lies. Starting to wonder if it's because car is Ford Focus 1litre Ecoboost! Without compensation or a car 🙄
Car was maintained, serviced, MOT regular & had only done 92000 miles.
Why is it only cars after 2016 that are mentioned, my 2013 Focus had exactly this issue and I had to purchase a vacuum pump for the servo, and have an engine rebuild due to this exact issue ?
An issue I had with my ecoboost 1.0L engine is that it all of a sudden would not go over 50mph, and took about 5 minutes to climb to 60 mph, Ford Uxbridge first said that is normal for a 1.0L engine. Then my brakes failed and Ford found that the vacuum pump was defective (don't know if the wet belt caused this) so they changed it under extended warrantee and hey presto all the power was back 70 mph and above no problem.
Yes for some reason class action lawsuits in the US dont translate to the same results in EU/UK. Eventhough they admit it.
Nice one Lee 🙂🔧🎥✌️
Thanks 👍