@@khanfarhan3047 He spoke about his process on how he creates characters. He specifically spoke of Ari but he was saying that he used a similar process with Denna. What you should gather is that Denna is not a real woman... but parts of her personality might have been inspired by a real person. Its an allegory... a story within a story. Something Rothfuss does very well
@@stephendesimone3957 very well and OH so often. Its basically the bestway to disect his books imho. All the songs and stories are parts of actual stories that inspired songs. All the answers have been laid if a boy is clever enough to piecw it all together
My understanding is that he wrote all three books as one big story, start to finish over 10+ years. He took out one short story from it to enter into a writing competition and won which got him a publishing deal, and since then, he's been re-writing and re-editing the original story. But any addition or deletion he made in book one cascades to book two, and changes in that leads to even more changes in three, so re-writing becomes more and more complex. I'm guessing that's what's delayed the book so much, he would probably be writing quicker if he was starting fresh. But he does not talk about how well his writing is going or how much he's completed, so it's hard to say when it will be released, which is frustrating to us a little.
He once took a group of kids down there from the student newspaper and they asked him if he slept down in the tunnels and he said, “don’t want to sleep down here, you might wake up dead”
He did not come up with the characters or plot lines of KKC, he could’ve wrote the majority of book 2, and definitely both Novelas, but no way he did book 1. This man is a fraud through and through.
Alot of Kingkiller does genuinely make me wonder "What the hell did you go through in your life to put THIS in a book.... And make it feel real!?!?" Nice to hear Patrick poke this.
I realised pat was a brilliant author when he said that he has never really played an instrument or worked in a shop. Somehow he was able to fake those things so well that a person like me who casually plays guitar and works in a shop like the artiphicery thought they were real.
@@garnerday7149 That's authors' and poets' job. They tune in with their antennas into worlds and recreate them for us, sometimes even better than we can describe them ourselves.
He admitted that yes there is a woman the character in question is based on, and told an anecdotal story about a local eccentric his dad knew. The important point is he didn't name names or put a target on anyone's back. Even his craziest fans only have a nickname the townspeople made up for some guy who liked to cosplay as a mole. The answer he gave was entertaining, and elaborated on his writing process, while keeping everyone anonymous enough that Rothfuss's craziest stalker can't latch onto a real life person.
Thats crazy. Used to interact with Tunnel Bob all the time. He’d come into the student union all the time and buy a cream soda. Basically so he was considered a customer and wouldnt get kicked out. He was very friendly, and this description is spot on.
"He didn't answer the question!" Except that he did, just not directly. The entire point of Tunnel Bob/Auri story is about how they may share some key characteristics, but they are completely different people. The woman Denna is based on (who he confirmed exists) is not Denna, doesn't act like Denna, and for all we know is his wife. If he said who it was, people would assume that she was Denna and would contact her with the intention of "white knighting" for an author they barely know.
Well said, sir and/or madam! I agree completely. It's important to be able to separate real life from fantasy - even if some part of Denna, even the parts that a lot of people dislike, is based off of a real life person, that doesn't mean they're the same person. Could be he cherry picked traits from a whole bunch of different people, or could be he chose one key, interesting trait of a person, only to build his own, brand new character around that trait - like with Auri.
Exactly. all it takes is for him to know a woman whos looks or mannerisms makes the writer think 'what if someone like her was evil or crazy or heroic or a goddess'. The writer could also have a character who they have fully written out what they will do, their motives and impact on the storyline but just can't pin down how they will move, speak or dress. Then at a dinner party meets a person and boom their voice or looks fit the character the writer has been struggling to picture. Rabid fans hating on you is already bad enough for actors who actually sign up to play evil/bad characters (look at Joffrey's actor), could you imaging just being an ordinary, quiet, private office worker and suddenly the internet hates you.
Just to hammer this home. If Denna is based on someone in Rothfuss' life, then Rothfuss is Kvothe. Kvothe is a self obsessed teen who doesn't understand the subject of their affection. Fair enough, understanding people is hard, and teens have less experience. What Rothfuss is saying is that he fucked up his relationship with "Denna".
He's the author of a series of books, which I would highly recommend if you're interested in reading it... ...but only after the publication of book 3.
He's also written some stuff for Rick and Morty (either the comic, the D&D adventure, or both), plays with Penny Arcade's Acquisitions Incorporated, and runs a charity called Worldbuilders, so any of those might have tipped the CZcams algorithm.
@@Getreidekeks If you don't realise how hard a lesson that is to learn, you've never fallen in love with someone and have them not love you back, or worse, have them stop loving you and not know why. Even when you can look back and see why now, it doesn't make it less painful it makes it more painful because you can see they where right and that means you can't even hate them any more. Yes, I'm speaking from experience. Go get some of your own before commenting.
Rothfuss: Oh you wanna know about Denna's real life inspiration? Me: YES! Rothfuss: Well, you're guess on her having real life inspiration is spot-on! Now, let me tell you an interesting story... ... ... ... And then, bam! Ari! Me: Wow, cool... Wait, wait what about-! *Video ends* Denna? I look away for one minute and he's talking about Ari. -_- Well played, Old Man... (Not that old, I was joking, sorry!)
People don't realize the Auri is the real love interest. Kvothe attraction to Denna is a juvenile immature infatuation. First love. Destined for failure.
A lot of people seem to hate Denna and it baffles me. All I see is a hurting, confused person whose life is a tragedy, whose interactions are botched. The idealisation that Kvothe has of her reminds me of myself in my early teenage years, where you kind of forget that the counterpart is a real human being, flawed and all. To finish this train of thought, Denna seems to be a trauma-survivor of some sort. Her actions are frequently self-destructive, she has trust issues, and has a very low self esteem. Why people find it in themselves to hate such a character, I don't want to know.
Probably because Kvothe is the character we relate to the most, as he's the protagonist. We want to see him happy and successful, and its plain to see that, for whatever tragic reason, Denna is a source of pain for Kvothe.
maybe because most of people reading kingskiller chronicles are adults, so we see kvothes mistakes as well as dennas and can relate to them as we did similar mistakes as teenagers too, but the problem is that kvothe is main character, we can see his thoughts, but in denna's case we cannot, we can only see a foolish young girl who ensnares and leads or main character, we are invested in, astray, we unknowingly are taking it personal;y.
@@azmyers6851 mostly because, we know, at some point, he has to make the choice to end her life... edit: And then there is the issue that Kvothe knows things that Denna doesn't... and in some way, he chooses to only tell her small bits at a time.... so she doesn't know all the details we do, inevitably leading to her choices being as they are
Just because your life is a tragedy doesnt mean you can take advantage of others in full knowledge of the others wishes for you. I know a woman like that. shes been together with a friend of mine for years now and i cant get it into my head why. She manipulates everyone by acting naive and "cute", but when you talk to her normally and she knows she cant manipulate you, you see the real person behind her sharade. Its kinda scary, especially because it works so well with so many guys.
It really says a lot about Rothfuss' character that he didn't name names in this rambling story. The closest he came was repeating the name that the townspeople gave to a local eccentric that liked to cosplay as a mole. It'd be easy to accidentally say too much and then 1 or 2 crazy fans would take things too far and start stalking some random woman. A woman that he might not have seen in years and may not even remember that she once knew Rothfuss, or that her odd mannerisms have been morphed into a character from his books.
I think any sensible person would have answered it the way Rothfuss did. I mean, I've had traumatic relationships when I was younger, but even then I don't hold any bad blood because it was so long ago and ultimately doesn't matter anymore. We are all young and stupid at some point. Even still, using that type of platform to badmouth people you don't like would just make you look petty anyways.
He really does not like talking about Denna, I've seen people ask him about her inspiration and her character arc several times and he never answers. It's like he has some kind of geas that keeps him from talking about it.
I see the fact that he doesn't talk about the real life person as a sign of respect for their anonymity and safety. It's kind of sad that people want to know who the exact person is so badly.
Denna is not evil as the question suggests. She's a woman who survived alot, the streets, the abuse, and she always walks a fine line (survival) between pride and whoring herself..as she is in a society as a whole clearly patriarcal, and she is economically dependent on men, who say they ''love'' her, but their fascination does not garanty her safety nor dignity, as they quickly think they own her because of that dependence. Her social statue makes any relationship with men start with her at an inferior or weaker position, so she has to mantain a position of control by staying aloof and unatainable and fascinating. Because they already think they own her, but if she becomes a conquest, they'll discard her. Her attitude is of self preservation. she shows her true self to the hero, mostly because socially they are equally poor, and so she does not feel too threatened..and also because, he accepts her dissapearing act and does not act like if he owned her..she also tests him by those dissapearances to see if he'll do like her other men. And at the same time, when she does not find him, she ''pouts''... It's the typical behavior of prideful, strong willed and yet insecure women.
I love Denna. She has her own magic secrets. I can’t wait to see what she does in book 3! Denna isn’t a bitch to Kvothe, Kvothe is just an idiot who thinks he knows more about Denna than he does.
So basically, yeah, Denna is based on someone, but like Tunnel Bob’s transition into fiction you wouldn’t be able to tell who this “Denna” was in real life if set side by side with her fictional counterpart (it isn’t lazy photoshopping). If he said too much more he might get himself into hot water with the real life Denna (or at the very least embarrass her and maybe even himself). He still managed to address the question as much as he could without giving up too much of his own private life to a room and world full of strangers (like us here in CZcams land). I don’t think we should demand or expect to know all of his private life and how that translated into his books (Wanting it, and demanding/expecting it are two different things).
I think people really misunderstand denna she is nearly exactly like Kvothe but since she's a girl she is seen completely different it's actually pretty interesting
I thought same as you in the first book. But I thing she really act idoitic in twmf (Specifically towards the end of it) I find myself ended up with hating her so badly.
I agree with you completely, she is a great character with many different layers. We don't know much about her origin, her and Kvothe are both very secretive about their past, only we hear the story being told by Kvothe. It could very well be that a great tragedy befell her in her early years as well. What we do know, is that if times are this hard for a young intelligent, musically gifted, (apparently) good looking young fella such as Kvothe, they're gonna be atleast double as hard for Denna, who is all of the above and more, but as a woman a popular target for people who want to take advantage of her. Potential spoilers ahead: I am talking about her patron, who's into some troubling shit and treats her poorly. She resists giving away his identity But also the fact, that almost every time Kvothe recalls seeing her, he mentions her astonishingly white teeth, which to many are a dead give-away for a denner resin addiction. Perhaps she got hooked the first time, when she accidentally consumed it in the forest of Trebon and her nomadic lifestyle is a result of this. What I am absolutely sure of (to finally conclude this train of thought..) is that Denna has definitely seen some shit.
Patrick Rothfuss is the author of a series of books, The King killer Chronicles (1. The Name Of The Wind, 2. The Wise Man's Fear, and a spin off called The Slow Regard of Silent Things, depicting a day in the life of the character he mentions in this video, Auri) The third of of the series, Doors of Stone iirc, hasn't been released yet, and as you could probably tell from the immature levels of toxicity in the comments, people aren't happy about it because he isn't dedicating every moment of his waking life to finishing it. Dudes a perfectionist who spends a crazy amount of time ensuring his books are exactly how he wants them before publishing (averaging over 10 years of drafts iirc) and some people get salty because hes not going at their pace. Just to give info on the dude and why there's so much toxicity around him. Tl;dr - an author most known for two books and a novella (which qre genuinely quite good imo) with a very entitled and impatient fanbase.
You can see why he takes so long to finish a book when it takes him 7 and a half minutes to answer a simple question…of course he still didn’t answer the question.
I saw tunnel bob at the union getting ice cream with a police officer a few years ago. He was literally grilling him on situations where it might be okay to go in the tunnels lol
We have our own "tunnel bob" where I live, and old (presumably homeless) musician called Kid Guitar. Pops up all over town spreading tales, previously in a sticker-covered van and these days in a beat up golf cart.
@@owenjames8575 I have replied the question adressed to public. concerning his recommendation algorithm he should ask either himself or youtube, not users.
For me Denna is a literary version of a girl that I used to work with that I also once drunkenly slept with. It’s impossible for me to picture anybody else when I read about Denna. Both of them just total enigmas.
@@Ravi9A The entire story was written before the first book ever came out. What he's doing (before each book is published) is edit and refine the books.
@@SlimAndSlamsLoveJuice it sounds like you're not interested in reading this author's work whatsoever, in which case, good for you. whether or not book three ever comes out should make little to no difference to you (after all, he's an overrated writer and a joke of an author, in your own words, so not worth wasting your thoughts over). either that or you're actually a fan of his work, albeit a bitter and grumpy one, who seems to think that writing novels is like making hamburgers, and that rothfuss should be grovelling at your feet for forgiveness and giving you free coupons just because you're getting hungry. the wait isn't ideal, trust me I know, but if you have any interest or respect for the books, you'd be better off not focusing on the wait and finding new authors to pass the time. i recommend phillip pullman if you've not read him before.
I think the way Denna just appears everywhere Kvothe goes is not natural. For a while I homestly thought she was sent by the Chandrian to keep an eye on Kvothe, but then I realised that it didn't make any sence. If they thought he was a threat to them, they would just kill him...
Wow! I never actually considered that theory. I personally thought Denna was following him when she could, making money where she could, meaning that her ability to follow Kvothe was consistently fragmented.
I know im a year later but, if we assume that The Cheath doenst lie, why a member of a chandrisn would let his "master" (i dont know the word in english) to beat her?
Well, one recommendation for me, Wait after the 3º book is release, in the next august(I HOPE). Because the fucking waiting and delay is killing me man.
He did not come up with the characters or plot lines of KKC, he could’ve wrote the majority of book 2, and definitely both Novelas, but no way he did book 1. This man is a fraud through and through
Thank you oh wise bearded man, I have yet learned another masterful art which I will most definitely use a 100% of the time for the remaining years of my life.
@@jamesalexhowlett Agreed. We need to do better as a society and a species. We need to take care of out young and weak and old better than we have. We have become an immoral society that see's itself as moral. I will adapt a famous quote to fit, "None are more doomed immorality than those who falsely believe they are moral."
I found Denna annoying, she is always swinging between "please come and help me cause im scarred" and "Dont come close cause im scarred" and is tiring, specially because we saw Kvothe going through so much shit and then screwing up left and right but he actually does move past his problems... even if he causes new ones, *but he does something,* there are also other women who do stuff to solve their problems, there is Devi who manipulates people and leverages favors to get access to the magic she was denied because she is a woman (but she is a badass bitch so she may as well be lying to hide her actions), there was Kvothe's mom who ran away to leave her restrictive life behind, the aunt who may be misguided but also proactive on her goals of kicking gypsi's asses, or that rich girl who fell in love with Kvothe and made her moves on him but moved on when it was clear he was not interested There are plenty of other characters that are as fucked up as Denna but they do something to get out of it or keep trying, she us just too much of a damsel in distress and Kvothe goes after her cause he has hero syndrome Yeah, thats it, she is annoying because she is passive on her suffering but active on meddling with others, and also hinders the main character's development, she is the character that makes the story drag on
It is after all a heroic fantasy, that aside i do agtee but i would love to add that we dont know her exact position nor circumstances. Meaning she could still be caught up in a mental battle. Nor do w know what possibly is held against her, taken from her, etc etc. We can so far only speculate.
auri is the name of a highly poisenous yellow pigment that got used for wallpaintings for example and could drive people mad. the color is called kings yellow which is interessting for many speculate on her being a princess
The most interesting fact I learned from this video is that the CZcams algorithm is scary. I read the Kingkiller Chronicles like three months ago and have searched some background info about the release of the third book afterwards and got some chuckles from memes about book three being in the works for ages. Also, I read a comprehensive chapter by chapter analysis and mentioned it in the series in a CZcams comment. I haven't thought about or googled anything about the book afterwards as far as I remember. And suddenly, today, CZcams recommends this video. I am a little confused and scared and Patrick, please finish book three before CZcams is bought by Disney and the monopolise fun.
I think I get what he's trying to say. Even if it wasn't directly transferrable he still amalgamates interesting experiences into interesting characters. So even if he never had a Denna he would still make a Denna because she's an interesting, dramatic and identifiable component that fits the story.
I always figured he “borrowed’ a lot of Denna from Terry Goodkind’s Denna in the Sword of Truth series, which was written years before he even started this in 1994.
I'm really glad he spoke about Denna's origin. In terms of his rl experiences. She's the ONLY character in his books that I find Completely. Fucking. Insufferable.
I can understand that Patrick Rothfuss changed the topic because asking who Denna was based on is private and personal. However, I’d rather he just say that the question makes him uncomfortable, and he’d rather not answer it to protect his privacy and the privacy of the girl Denna is based on. It would have been good if he explained he’d rather not say who the girl is, so she doesn’t risk getting stalkers or hate mail. I’ve been listening to and reading theories on the Kingkiller books, and loved many of the characters. I hope that Book 3 will be wonderfully written when it’s published. 😊🙂
I like his work in the first book. Sadly, I cannot finish it because there is a romantic subplot in the way. Nothing against the author. Is it a personal problem with romance in any shape or form.
If it does help, The subplot is quite brief and dissaoears chaoters upon time, i do hope you'll eventully get to enjoy The book If you so do choose to read it again ^^
@@kirstymcl3425 although kind of for lore reasons. Because I assume she's the Princess Ariel from the NOTW blurb, so I was thinking like "Auriel" which is ori-el.
He did not come up with the characters or plot lines of KKC, he could’ve wrote the majority of book 2, and definitely both Novelas, but no way he did book 1. This man is a fraud through and through
so is this book 3 actually coming out? I had to get a career in the meantime while waiting for this book and now I don't even read fantasy anymore! :D haha kidding, best of luck Mr. Rothfuss, godspeed with your endeavours
CZcams recommended this to me, I thougth it was about Denne the mord sith in "The sword of truth", a series I truely love. Never heard of the "The Kingkiller Chronicles" but apparently I should check it out.
Actually almost ordered it, but then I saw that the third book in the triologie still isn't out (and with no release date). So I'm waiting for it to come out, or close to release so I can read them all in a timely fashion and not have to potentially wait 2+ years for the last book to come out.
I honestly don’t think there will be a third book anytime soon....... ever even? I knows it’s irritating to start a trilogy without the guarantee of the third...... but it’s still absolutely worth it! Think about it if you have the time!
I never found Denna that interesting. She's far from ready for a relationship. Kvothe is quite pleased with himself for progressing it as far as he has, but I'd have to say it's a pretty abject failure. Auri on the other hand is perhaps exactly the kind of person Kvothe would need in order to move past the harshness of his childhood and his failure (of trust, commitment, and building any kind of joy in his fairly miserable life) with Denna. So much so that she can't be real (as Denna was) and he probably can't fully accept the kindness she presents. They'd be great together if either of them sought to make it work. Great stuff, book 3 when?
Reading about Auri always made me think of someone so fragile, but beautiful and pure of heart. Like a majestic deer, ready to sprint away if you make any sudden movements. I know a girl like her, ( she's more of a raccoon tbh her room is kinda filthy ) she has the same qualities of innocence and fragility. I'm always my best with her. And if I'm not, she'll let me know.
@@courtneygrier2015 a little outside of The topic, but why put fellow women down unless they have done you wrong, fictional or not ^^ not all women have to be this or that or kickass that u know, denna has her own strugges as a character, now you must Admit that you yourself May sometimes have found yourself attracted to someone who isnt ideal for you, such is life. Denna is simply trying to survive rather than life i would say. However kvothe is one who she has Come to not avoid has she, albeit Maybe she dosent seek him out, she seems to enjoy him compared to other men. I like their character dynamic personaly, albeit you're entitled to your opinion but i do hope this changed your view?
Soon as I can read book 3 I'll be done with Patrick for longer then he was done with us. Guy is way too busy and obviously is suffering from either a lack of inspiration, writers block, boredom or a combination of all three. Both Martin and Rothfuss have, imo, done a serious disservice to future authors by being simultaneously excellent and horrible at what they do.
See, after re-reading it, I've found I don't have beef with Denna as I originally did. Tbh, she's pretty cool, but I still wouldn't ship her with Kvothe for the basic reason that she essentially just a female and more worldly version of him. That to me wouldn't make for a good relationship. Devi feels more like an equal, but still retains her own unique attitude and worldview.
Speculation Alert: I feel like Denna is a hostage. Like someone knows her real name. Breadcrumb is that she always changes it. Maybe Kvothe can help her, if he can understand her fully (max difficulty as she is such a complex person) and call out her real name? The issue is.. since we are far out in the series, we have likely already been introduced to the person who is controlling her... and i find myself flipping pages to see who it may be..
Well i actually think Abenthy is this person holding her hostage, like he's the only person that knows about the song that the father of kvothe was writing aside from the rest of the troupe wich are dead, and he actually got to leave the troupe right before the chandrian attack, for me he's like tryin to make Denna sing this song to get the most people to hear it, idk if that makes sense.
Lanre/Haliax also knew about the song Kvothe's parents wrote. And in Denna's version of the story, Lanre is the good guy. Could be that Lanre is her patron.
Handled that nicely, but the sheer ARROGANCE of that question always irritates me. Any time a man makes a joke about a woman, or creates a female character, that paints her as anything other than PERFECT... and these "woke" types always fire off that lame-assed question: "Who hurt you, to make you hate women like you do?" Whether it's the puffed up Female Supremacist, or the "white knight" convinced that simping will get them layed, they always operate from the premise that "Female = perfect, therefore if you don't worship the quicksand they walk on... you hate all women." The stupidity of such a sentiment boggles the mind.
Its especially strange since in the story, Kvothe outright says he is describing Denna from his own memory of her. He admits his own bias towards his portrayal of her as "perfect."
I was struggling to kinda accept the existence of Denna until she told Kvothe she "refuses to be one of the many". Ever since that moment, I absolutely hated her.
IRL Denna did such a number on him that he deflected harder than any human has ever deflected before.
I mean, he was straight up about it though.
Monks are really good at deflection afterall.
All of us have a Denna at some point, don’t push to far
@@craigbainton4173 i luckily never had a denna, i never was much of a simp like kvothe. but i have women hurt me in other ways, so i get it
@@TruckManThings lmao that's about the most pathetic comment i have ever read
Really interesting to hear how he came up with Denna without actually hearing about how he came up with Denna.
Yeah... Rothfus is very good at getting the point across but never getting to the point
He didn't tell about denna tho did he??
I didn't get the ppint
@@khanfarhan3047 He spoke about his process on how he creates characters. He specifically spoke of Ari but he was saying that he used a similar process with Denna. What you should gather is that Denna is not a real woman... but parts of her personality might have been inspired by a real person. Its an allegory... a story within a story. Something Rothfuss does very well
@@stephendesimone3957 very well and OH so often. Its basically the bestway to disect his books imho. All the songs and stories are parts of actual stories that inspired songs. All the answers have been laid if a boy is clever enough to piecw it all together
It'll be real cool to see what Sanderson does with Denna when he finishes the series for Rothfuss.
Oh. Oh no. (╯ರ ~ ರ)╯︵ ┻━┻
Ouch, headshot
😂😂 a friend got Sandersons autograph at a meet and greet and considered bringing his KingKiller books to have him sign them before it happened 😂
At the time he did this large presentation, he was fully aware it had been 2 years since he wrote anything...
otoanskye 😂😂😂
"Man book three sure is taking awhile."
Patrick: "I started writing this book in 94."
Me: Sees book 1 was released in 07.
Me: "Ah."
Harry potter and the philosopher stone was written in 92 it took her a LONG time to find a agent and publisher
My understanding is that he wrote all three books as one big story, start to finish over 10+ years. He took out one short story from it to enter into a writing competition and won which got him a publishing deal, and since then, he's been re-writing and re-editing the original story. But any addition or deletion he made in book one cascades to book two, and changes in that leads to even more changes in three, so re-writing becomes more and more complex. I'm guessing that's what's delayed the book so much, he would probably be writing quicker if he was starting fresh. But he does not talk about how well his writing is going or how much he's completed, so it's hard to say when it will be released, which is frustrating to us a little.
Yeah, I don't feel bad anymore. Thanks Pat. I've only been working on my book for eight months.
I'm so excited!!!
I just hope he is healthy so there is no race with the grim reaper to get the books out. So he finishes when he finishes as long as they are good.
As someone who went to Madison for college: we still talk about Tunnel Bob.
TELL US!!
Really?
The people need to know
He once took a group of kids down there from the student newspaper and they asked him if he slept down in the tunnels and he said, “don’t want to sleep down here, you might wake up dead”
Yep -even if I didn't go to that College, Tunnel bob is real
random dude: " What woman screwed you over so badly that you came up with Denna?"
Pat: "lemme tell you about the man in the tunnels"
That's soooooo good.
He did not come up with the characters or plot lines of KKC, he could’ve wrote the majority of book 2, and definitely both Novelas, but no way he did book 1. This man is a fraud through and through.
Alot of Kingkiller does genuinely make me wonder "What the hell did you go through in your life to put THIS in a book.... And make it feel real!?!?"
Nice to hear Patrick poke this.
I realised pat was a brilliant author when he said that he has never really played an instrument or worked in a shop.
Somehow he was able to fake those things so well that a person like me who casually plays guitar and works in a shop like the artiphicery thought they were real.
@@garnerday7149 That's authors' and poets' job. They tune in with their antennas into worlds and recreate them for us, sometimes even better than we can describe them ourselves.
It's not surprising; Kvothe is likely an ENTJ/P personality profile, and "intuitively learns" things.
This is how I learn as well.
Obviously, Denna is a crossdressing Haliax.
Obviously.
This is my headcanon now
same
LMAO
And lord ash is cinder, it all makes sense
I loved the ways he did not answer the question...
He said his real life and the book are not realted.
He also said that they were related in this case, it was nice tip-toying but too noticeable, 6/10.
He flat out said the assumption that Dena was based off someone in his real life was, in his own words, 'spot fucking on'.
He admitted that yes there is a woman the character in question is based on, and told an anecdotal story about a local eccentric his dad knew.
The important point is he didn't name names or put a target on anyone's back. Even his craziest fans only have a nickname the townspeople made up for some guy who liked to cosplay as a mole. The answer he gave was entertaining, and elaborated on his writing process, while keeping everyone anonymous enough that Rothfuss's craziest stalker can't latch onto a real life person.
Marco Aurelio
A true politician
I live in Madison and i know exactly who he’s talking about with Tunnel Bob, the guy is a literal legend
Thats crazy. Used to interact with Tunnel Bob all the time. He’d come into the student union all the time and buy a cream soda. Basically so he was considered a customer and wouldnt get kicked out. He was very friendly, and this description is spot on.
"He didn't answer the question!"
Except that he did, just not directly. The entire point of Tunnel Bob/Auri story is about how they may share some key characteristics, but they are completely different people. The woman Denna is based on (who he confirmed exists) is not Denna, doesn't act like Denna, and for all we know is his wife. If he said who it was, people would assume that she was Denna and would contact her with the intention of "white knighting" for an author they barely know.
Well said, sir and/or madam! I agree completely. It's important to be able to separate real life from fantasy - even if some part of Denna, even the parts that a lot of people dislike, is based off of a real life person, that doesn't mean they're the same person. Could be he cherry picked traits from a whole bunch of different people, or could be he chose one key, interesting trait of a person, only to build his own, brand new character around that trait - like with Auri.
Exactly. all it takes is for him to know a woman whos looks or mannerisms makes the writer think 'what if someone like her was evil or crazy or heroic or a goddess'.
The writer could also have a character who they have fully written out what they will do, their motives and impact on the storyline but just can't pin down how they will move, speak or dress. Then at a dinner party meets a person and boom their voice or looks fit the character the writer has been struggling to picture.
Rabid fans hating on you is already bad enough for actors who actually sign up to play evil/bad characters (look at Joffrey's actor), could you imaging just being an ordinary, quiet, private office worker and suddenly the internet hates you.
Just to hammer this home. If Denna is based on someone in Rothfuss' life, then Rothfuss is Kvothe. Kvothe is a self obsessed teen who doesn't understand the subject of their affection. Fair enough, understanding people is hard, and teens have less experience. What Rothfuss is saying is that he fucked up his relationship with "Denna".
I KNOW TUNNEL BOB!!! I go to school in madison!! I've served Tunnel Bob at Work!
Thomas Laidlaw I'm fascinated by the idea this man.
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Must be really interesting know the real Auri!
Great to know my beautiful daughter Auri is named after Tunnel Bob XD.
This randomly appear in my recommendations and i have no idea what this is about
a trilogy called The Kingkiller Chronicle that's taking forever to complete (I like what's he's written so far). This is the author doing a Q&A.
@@robselby9567 thank you
He's the author of a series of books, which I would highly recommend if you're interested in reading it... ...but only after the publication of book 3.
@@kronosshadow1554 i never read fantasies book but a friend recommended it to me and Im very into it.
would recommend
He's also written some stuff for Rick and Morty (either the comic, the D&D adventure, or both), plays with Penny Arcade's Acquisitions Incorporated, and runs a charity called Worldbuilders, so any of those might have tipped the CZcams algorithm.
Basically a round about way of saying "you don't wanna open that can of worms."
No woman is obligated to fall in love with you, and it's the hardest lesson every man learns.
Yes but there are women, and men, that take advantage of that relationship.
If that's the hardest lesson men have to learn I'm jealous
@@Getreidekeks If you don't realise how hard a lesson that is to learn, you've never fallen in love with someone and have them not love you back, or worse, have them stop loving you and not know why. Even when you can look back and see why now, it doesn't make it less painful it makes it more painful because you can see they where right and that means you can't even hate them any more. Yes, I'm speaking from experience. Go get some of your own before commenting.
@@TornadoCreator pfff damn boy you're pathetic. I do have my own experiences in this specific field, thank you very much but you need to grow up
@@Getreidekeks Read my last sentence again, then follow it.
Rothfuss: Oh you wanna know about Denna's real life inspiration?
Me: YES!
Rothfuss: Well, you're guess on her having real life inspiration is spot-on! Now, let me tell you an interesting story...
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And then, bam! Ari!
Me: Wow, cool... Wait, wait what about-! *Video ends* Denna?
I look away for one minute and he's talking about Ari. -_- Well played, Old Man...
(Not that old, I was joking, sorry!)
"... and this his ass fell off." pretty much the story we got. Except we asked for how Jax stole the moon.
People don't realize the Auri is the real love interest. Kvothe attraction to Denna is a juvenile immature infatuation. First love. Destined for failure.
Auri is one of my favorite characters in all of fantasy. Knowing Rothfuss' inspiration for her is a real person... I wish I could meet "Tunnel Bob."
"But the Third Hour, that's Tunnel Bob's time."
A lot of people seem to hate Denna and it baffles me. All I see is a hurting, confused person whose life is a tragedy, whose interactions are botched. The idealisation that Kvothe has of her reminds me of myself in my early teenage years, where you kind of forget that the counterpart is a real human being, flawed and all. To finish this train of thought, Denna seems to be a trauma-survivor of some sort. Her actions are frequently self-destructive, she has trust issues, and has a very low self esteem. Why people find it in themselves to hate such a character, I don't want to know.
Probably because Kvothe is the character we relate to the most, as he's the protagonist. We want to see him happy and successful, and its plain to see that, for whatever tragic reason, Denna is a source of pain for Kvothe.
maybe because most of people reading kingskiller chronicles are adults, so we see kvothes mistakes as well as dennas and can relate to them as we did similar mistakes as teenagers too, but the problem is that kvothe is main character, we can see his thoughts, but in denna's case we cannot, we can only see a foolish young girl who ensnares and leads or main character, we are invested in, astray, we unknowingly are taking it personal;y.
@@azmyers6851 mostly because, we know, at some point, he has to make the choice to end her life...
edit: And then there is the issue that Kvothe knows things that Denna doesn't... and in some way, he chooses to only tell her small bits at a time.... so she doesn't know all the details we do, inevitably leading to her choices being as they are
people often don't like characters that reflect the bad parts of themself
Just because your life is a tragedy doesnt mean you can take advantage of others in full knowledge of the others wishes for you. I know a woman like that. shes been together with a friend of mine for years now and i cant get it into my head why. She manipulates everyone by acting naive and "cute", but when you talk to her normally and she knows she cant manipulate you, you see the real person behind her sharade. Its kinda scary, especially because it works so well with so many guys.
Don't you worry, Tunnel Bob is still creeping around Engineering.
LOL, you are exactly correct... now let me tell you about a character that I prefer to talk about
oh, and I may be taking Tunnel Bob for D&D, my mom will have no idea he's inspiration for Auri
wait... you are playing DnD with your family? thats kinda awesome xD
It really says a lot about Rothfuss' character that he didn't name names in this rambling story. The closest he came was repeating the name that the townspeople gave to a local eccentric that liked to cosplay as a mole. It'd be easy to accidentally say too much and then 1 or 2 crazy fans would take things too far and start stalking some random woman. A woman that he might not have seen in years and may not even remember that she once knew Rothfuss, or that her odd mannerisms have been morphed into a character from his books.
...so you stalk peoples ex girlfriends?
I think any sensible person would have answered it the way Rothfuss did. I mean, I've had traumatic relationships when I was younger, but even then I don't hold any bad blood because it was so long ago and ultimately doesn't matter anymore. We are all young and stupid at some point. Even still, using that type of platform to badmouth people you don't like would just make you look petty anyways.
No one would have used real names in a story like this.
I love the idea of the woman hearing this then going "wait... that's ME?!??"
Seven and half minutes of not answering the damn question. This guy should become a politician.
Amazing that Tunnel Bob has reached a legendary status. I had met him once, sitting down. The man definitely stands out in a crowd.
He really does not like talking about Denna, I've seen people ask him about her inspiration and her character arc several times and he never answers. It's like he has some kind of geas that keeps him from talking about it.
Its actually kinda respectful
Itd be super easy for him to throw some girl under the bus
She might still be a part of his life. Or maybe he hid his feelings for her.
I see the fact that he doesn't talk about the real life person as a sign of respect for their anonymity and safety. It's kind of sad that people want to know who the exact person is so badly.
@@LinkLegend0 For all we know, it could be his wife
That is easy to answer, he must invent 1,000 characters and write 1,000 chapters before he can name her.
Denna is not evil as the question suggests. She's a woman who survived alot, the streets, the abuse, and she always walks a fine line (survival) between pride and whoring herself..as she is in a society as a whole clearly patriarcal, and she is economically dependent on men, who say they ''love'' her, but their fascination does not garanty her safety nor dignity, as they quickly think they own her because of that dependence. Her social statue makes any relationship with men start with her at an inferior or weaker position, so she has to mantain a position of control by staying aloof and unatainable and fascinating. Because they already think they own her, but if she becomes a conquest, they'll discard her. Her attitude is of self preservation. she shows her true self to the hero, mostly because socially they are equally poor, and so she does not feel too threatened..and also because, he accepts her dissapearing act and does not act like if he owned her..she also tests him by those dissapearances to see if he'll do like her other men. And at the same time, when she does not find him, she ''pouts''... It's the typical behavior of prideful, strong willed and yet insecure women.
"and his payment was coke" Rothfuss 2016
The acrobatics he pulled getting around that question,
there must be a chandelier in that hall...
“Project!!” he sounds like my theatre teacher....
I love Denna. She has her own magic secrets. I can’t wait to see what she does in book 3! Denna isn’t a bitch to Kvothe, Kvothe is just an idiot who thinks he knows more about Denna than he does.
YES YES YES
The whole thing with wearing the tunnels out is actually a really funny way to explain low Wisdom in D&D. You'll get it; just not right away.
After reading the books, Every time I hear "She's always a woman" by Billy Joel I think of the character Denna
So basically, yeah, Denna is based on someone, but like Tunnel Bob’s transition into fiction you wouldn’t be able to tell who this “Denna” was in real life if set side by side with her fictional counterpart (it isn’t lazy photoshopping). If he said too much more he might get himself into hot water with the real life Denna (or at the very least embarrass her and maybe even himself). He still managed to address the question as much as he could without giving up too much of his own private life to a room and world full of strangers (like us here in CZcams land). I don’t think we should demand or expect to know all of his private life and how that translated into his books (Wanting it, and demanding/expecting it are two different things).
PR's Dad: "Well they call him Tunnel Bob, but I always think of him as my little moon fae."
PR: "I own that now."
I think people really misunderstand denna she is nearly exactly like Kvothe but since she's a girl she is seen completely different it's actually pretty interesting
You described Devi
And I love Devi. I bet most people do as well
Aakos94 She's cool and all but I'm not forgeting that 50% interest over two months thing.
I thought same as you in the first book. But I thing she really act idoitic in twmf (Specifically
towards the end of it) I find myself ended up with hating her so badly.
I agree with you completely, she is a great character with many different layers. We don't know much about her origin, her and Kvothe are both very secretive about their past, only we hear the story being told by Kvothe. It could very well be that a great tragedy befell her in her early years as well. What we do know, is that if times are this hard for a young intelligent, musically gifted, (apparently) good looking young fella such as Kvothe, they're gonna be atleast double as hard for Denna, who is all of the above and more, but as a woman a popular target for people who want to take advantage of her.
Potential spoilers ahead:
I am talking about her patron, who's into some troubling shit and treats her poorly. She resists giving away his identity But also the fact, that almost every time Kvothe recalls seeing her, he mentions her astonishingly white teeth, which to many are a dead give-away for a denner resin addiction. Perhaps she got hooked the first time, when she accidentally consumed it in the forest of Trebon and her nomadic lifestyle is a result of this. What I am absolutely sure of (to finally conclude this train of thought..) is that Denna has definitely seen some shit.
Deflection 100
Why do I sense chivalry in there as well?
Why did CZcams recommend some random comicon talk to me? Who is Deanna, who is Pat Rothfuss?
I'm thinking the same exact thing.
Hey, at least you know the random beard dude's name.
Patrick Rothfuss is the author of a series of books, The King killer Chronicles (1. The Name Of The Wind, 2. The Wise Man's Fear, and a spin off called The Slow Regard of Silent Things, depicting a day in the life of the character he mentions in this video, Auri)
The third of of the series, Doors of Stone iirc, hasn't been released yet, and as you could probably tell from the immature levels of toxicity in the comments, people aren't happy about it because he isn't dedicating every moment of his waking life to finishing it.
Dudes a perfectionist who spends a crazy amount of time ensuring his books are exactly how he wants them before publishing (averaging over 10 years of drafts iirc) and some people get salty because hes not going at their pace.
Just to give info on the dude and why there's so much toxicity around him.
Tl;dr - an author most known for two books and a novella (which qre genuinely quite good imo) with a very entitled and impatient fanbase.
I thought it was Brian blessed when I clicked
Got you too huh?
You can see why he takes so long to finish a book when it takes him 7 and a half minutes to answer a simple question…of course he still didn’t answer the question.
"Whenever I see something cool in the world, I'm like, that's mine, now"
Meeee
Tongue in cheek?
if he has no plans of releasing the third book he can actually crossover to standup comedy
And then his ass fell off!
@@lanmandragoran8337 HAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHA, that was 2nd book's best joke :P
I love Patrick. In many ways, it's the pain that denna brought to him that gave a story which gives such joy. That has to be respected.
I saw tunnel bob at the union getting ice cream with a police officer a few years ago. He was literally grilling him on situations where it might be okay to go in the tunnels lol
Denna. Yes, please. Many hate her. I love her. My favorite character amongst dozens of great characters.
We have our own "tunnel bob" where I live, and old (presumably homeless) musician called Kid Guitar. Pops up all over town spreading tales, previously in a sticker-covered van and these days in a beat up golf cart.
This is random, I have no idea who this guy is or "Denna", why was this recommended?
Seconded.
This is Patrick Rotfuss and Denna is a character
Read The name of the wind and you'll see
@@pavelshlykov6868 way to ignore the question entirely
@@owenjames8575 I have replied the question adressed to public. concerning his recommendation algorithm he should ask either himself or youtube, not users.
@@pavelshlykov6868 the question was why this was recommended to him. There was no other question
For me Denna is a literary version of a girl that I used to work with that I also once drunkenly slept with. It’s impossible for me to picture anybody else when I read about Denna. Both of them just total enigmas.
It's a fair bet that Tunnel Bob wasn't making soap down there, though he did give consideration to his own slow regard of silent things.
Rothfuss is about as good at finishing answering Q&A questions as he is at finishing books.
I wonder what piece of armor gave him the extra dodge rating for that question
The story is clearly heading to an epic scale catastrophe.
What tipped you off? The prologue?
@@314APAR nah, the author not writing the damn book.
@@Ravi9A The entire story was written before the first book ever came out. What he's doing (before each book is published) is edit and refine the books.
@@SlimAndSlamsLoveJuice it sounds like you're not interested in reading this author's work whatsoever, in which case, good for you. whether or not book three ever comes out should make little to no difference to you (after all, he's an overrated writer and a joke of an author, in your own words, so not worth wasting your thoughts over). either that or you're actually a fan of his work, albeit a bitter and grumpy one, who seems to think that writing novels is like making hamburgers, and that rothfuss should be grovelling at your feet for forgiveness and giving you free coupons just because you're getting hungry. the wait isn't ideal, trust me I know, but if you have any interest or respect for the books, you'd be better off not focusing on the wait and finding new authors to pass the time. i recommend phillip pullman if you've not read him before.
@@SlimAndSlamsLoveJuice wow.
I think the way Denna just appears everywhere Kvothe goes is not natural. For a while I homestly thought she was sent by the Chandrian to keep an eye on Kvothe, but then I realised that it didn't make any sence. If they thought he was a threat to them, they would just kill him...
I remember reading some theories that she was actually one of the Chandrian, not just sent by them.
Wow! I never actually considered that theory. I personally thought Denna was following him when she could, making money where she could, meaning that her ability to follow Kvothe was consistently fragmented.
Doesn't add up. With her making a factually incorrect song about Lanre and all. Doesn't sound like something someone related to The Seven would do.
I think it does. She made the people who became the Chandrien out to be heroes. She also could've been trying to find out what exactly he knows.
I know im a year later but, if we assume that The Cheath doenst lie, why a member of a chandrisn would let his "master" (i dont know the word in english) to beat her?
I haven't ever read whatever books this guy has written, but this definitely makes me want to
Well, one recommendation for me, Wait after the 3º book is release, in the next august(I HOPE).
Because the fucking waiting and delay is killing me man.
@@nevilo1 I've felt that pain before, man, that shit kills
Go ahead and read the first two now, it's not like the third one will come out in our lifetime anyway.
Yeah, this bitchy nerd talks way too much
Don't. It's not worth it. Book 3 will likely never get released, and if it is, it will be rubbish. His well has dried up.
It took Michaelangelo 4 years to paint the Sistine Chapel... 10 years and counting for Rothfuss.
He did not come up with the characters or plot lines of KKC, he could’ve wrote the majority of book 2, and definitely both Novelas, but no way he did book 1. This man is a fraud through and through
Thank you oh wise bearded man, I have yet learned another masterful art which I will most definitely use a 100% of the time for the remaining years of my life.
Patrick is a fine storyteller for a crowd, probably because he used to be a teacher
Why is it that homeless people always have nicknames? In my town there’s radio randy, he has a discman he’s always listening to.
Why is it people cannot recognize people with mental disabilities and treat them with compassion and help get them to a safe place?
@@FNG_Star people don’t care about mental illness until it’s made their problem.
@@jamesalexhowlett
Agreed. We need to do better as a society and a species. We need to take care of out young and weak and old better than we have. We have become an immoral society that see's itself as moral. I will adapt a famous quote to fit, "None are more doomed immorality than those who falsely believe they are moral."
Tunnel Bob is doing something super sketchy in that 3rd hour
I'm not sure why CZcams recommended this to me... but I'm glad it did.
There was once a boy with a golden screw in his belly button...
I found Denna annoying, she is always swinging between "please come and help me cause im scarred" and "Dont come close cause im scarred" and is tiring, specially because we saw Kvothe going through so much shit and then screwing up left and right but he actually does move past his problems... even if he causes new ones, *but he does something,* there are also other women who do stuff to solve their problems, there is Devi who manipulates people and leverages favors to get access to the magic she was denied because she is a woman (but she is a badass bitch so she may as well be lying to hide her actions), there was Kvothe's mom who ran away to leave her restrictive life behind, the aunt who may be misguided but also proactive on her goals of kicking gypsi's asses, or that rich girl who fell in love with Kvothe and made her moves on him but moved on when it was clear he was not interested
There are plenty of other characters that are as fucked up as Denna but they do something to get out of it or keep trying, she us just too much of a damsel in distress and Kvothe goes after her cause he has hero syndrome
Yeah, thats it, she is annoying because she is passive on her suffering but active on meddling with others, and also hinders the main character's development, she is the character that makes the story drag on
It is after all a heroic fantasy, that aside i do agtee but i would love to add that we dont know her exact position nor circumstances. Meaning she could still be caught up in a mental battle. Nor do w know what possibly is held against her, taken from her, etc etc. We can so far only speculate.
The day I realized Deanna was a gold digger was when the KKC went from “greatest story ever written” to “just my favorite”
auri is the name of a highly poisenous yellow pigment that got used for wallpaintings for example and could drive people mad. the color is called kings yellow which is interessting for many speculate on her being a princess
I have no idea who this person is but now I want to read his books
Welcome to ther neverending waiting room!
The most interesting fact I learned from this video is that the CZcams algorithm is scary. I read the Kingkiller Chronicles like three months ago and have searched some background info about the release of the third book afterwards and got some chuckles from memes about book three being in the works for ages. Also, I read a comprehensive chapter by chapter analysis and mentioned it in the series in a CZcams comment. I haven't thought about or googled anything about the book afterwards as far as I remember. And suddenly, today, CZcams recommends this video.
I am a little confused and scared and Patrick, please finish book three before CZcams is bought by Disney and the monopolise fun.
CZcams is owned by Google
Google can read your mind. If you die they can rebuild you from scratch.
Ah, another day of trying to figure out what Fandom this random youtube recommendation was for
"I wrote this song in 94."
-tupac from chappelle skit
I think I get what he's trying to say. Even if it wasn't directly transferrable he still amalgamates interesting experiences into interesting characters. So even if he never had a Denna he would still make a Denna because she's an interesting, dramatic and identifiable component that fits the story.
I always figured he “borrowed’ a lot of Denna from Terry Goodkind’s Denna in the Sword of Truth series, which was written years before he even started this in 1994.
I'm really glad he spoke about Denna's origin. In terms of his rl experiences. She's the ONLY character in his books that I find Completely. Fucking. Insufferable.
Classic Pat. Answer with something unrelated.
A character starts with a conceptual seed. fascinating. i love this guy's writing so much.
I just love this man's brain
This didn’t really age well at all
I can understand that Patrick Rothfuss changed the topic because asking who Denna was based on is private and personal.
However, I’d rather he just say that the question makes him uncomfortable, and he’d rather not answer it to protect his privacy and the privacy of the girl Denna is based on. It would have been good if he explained he’d rather not say who the girl is, so she doesn’t risk getting stalkers or hate mail.
I’ve been listening to and reading theories on the Kingkiller books, and loved many of the characters. I hope that Book 3 will be wonderfully written when it’s published. 😊🙂
I like his work in the first book. Sadly, I cannot finish it because there is a romantic subplot in the way.
Nothing against the author. Is it a personal problem with romance in any shape or form.
If it does help, The subplot is quite brief and dissaoears chaoters upon time, i do hope you'll eventully get to enjoy The book If you so do choose to read it again ^^
I hope you find love my friend.
I named one of my cats Auri (other is Devi), and now I know I've been pronouncing her name wrong all her life.
Damn
What way did you pronounce it? Just out of curiosity......
@@kirstymcl3425 Ori
@@kirstymcl3425 although kind of for lore reasons. Because I assume she's the Princess Ariel from the NOTW blurb, so I was thinking like "Auriel" which is ori-el.
Ah oo ree like rupert degas pronounces it in the audiobooks.
I don’t dislike Denna’s character I just don’t care about that plot line
He didn't want to talk about her, he answered yes then proceeded to give an example of another character he made.
He did not come up with the characters or plot lines of KKC, he could’ve wrote the majority of book 2, and definitely both Novelas, but no way he did book 1. This man is a fraud through and through
I have no idea who this man is but I love him
so is this book 3 actually coming out? I had to get a career in the meantime while waiting for this book and now I don't even read fantasy anymore! :D haha kidding, best of luck Mr. Rothfuss, godspeed with your endeavours
Doors of stone ^u^
IRL Denna fucked him up so badly that bro turned 90° and started talking about Auri instead
We need to get rothfuss to go back to college for inspiration
Haven't read his book so I have zero context for this character.
You should ^^ the two that are out are absolutely fantastic
CZcams recommended this to me, I thougth it was about Denne the mord sith in "The sword of truth", a series I truely love. Never heard of the "The Kingkiller Chronicles" but apparently I should check it out.
Absolutely do, its the second highest rated series on Goodreads, just below Harry Potter. You won't regret it!
Actually almost ordered it, but then I saw that the third book in the triologie still isn't out (and with no release date). So I'm waiting for it to come out, or close to release so I can read them all in a timely fashion and not have to potentially wait 2+ years for the last book to come out.
I honestly don’t think there will be a third book anytime soon....... ever even? I knows it’s irritating to start a trilogy without the guarantee of the third...... but it’s still absolutely worth it! Think about it if you have the time!
LOL I also thought the video title referred to MISTRESS Denna :) One of these days I'll get around to the Kingkiller series.
@@Hippolopo There's a release date now btw
I never found Denna that interesting. She's far from ready for a relationship. Kvothe is quite pleased with himself for progressing it as far as he has, but I'd have to say it's a pretty abject failure.
Auri on the other hand is perhaps exactly the kind of person Kvothe would need in order to move past the harshness of his childhood and his failure (of trust, commitment, and building any kind of joy in his fairly miserable life) with Denna. So much so that she can't be real (as Denna was) and he probably can't fully accept the kindness she presents. They'd be great together if either of them sought to make it work.
Great stuff, book 3 when?
Reading about Auri always made me think of someone so fragile, but beautiful and pure of heart. Like a majestic deer, ready to sprint away if you make any sudden movements.
I know a girl like her, ( she's more of a raccoon tbh her room is kinda filthy ) she has the same qualities of innocence and fragility. I'm always my best with her. And if I'm not, she'll let me know.
There are so many kickass women in this series.
And then there's Denna.
@@courtneygrier2015 a little outside of The topic, but why put fellow women down unless they have done you wrong, fictional or not ^^ not all women have to be this or that or kickass that u know, denna has her own strugges as a character, now you must Admit that you yourself May sometimes have found yourself attracted to someone who isnt ideal for you, such is life. Denna is simply trying to survive rather than life i would say. However kvothe is one who she has Come to not avoid has she, albeit Maybe she dosent seek him out, she seems to enjoy him compared to other men. I like their character dynamic personaly, albeit you're entitled to your opinion but i do hope this changed your view?
Soon as I can read book 3 I'll be done with Patrick for longer then he was done with us. Guy is way too busy and obviously is suffering from either a lack of inspiration, writers block, boredom or a combination of all three. Both Martin and Rothfuss have, imo, done a serious disservice to future authors by being simultaneously excellent and horrible at what they do.
Devi is best girl. Change my mind.
Auri
Lol Crowder
Devi and Fela are great. Honestly I don't dislike Dena myself, I just think she is broken and under someone's control.
See, after re-reading it, I've found I don't have beef with Denna as I originally did. Tbh, she's pretty cool, but I still wouldn't ship her with Kvothe for the basic reason that she essentially just a female and more worldly version of him. That to me wouldn't make for a good relationship. Devi feels more like an equal, but still retains her own unique attitude and worldview.
Vashet!.......Not as a love interest....shes just badass!!!
Tunnel Bob sounds like a Jim Povolo character.
Speculation Alert:
I feel like Denna is a hostage. Like someone knows her real name. Breadcrumb is that she always changes it. Maybe Kvothe can help her, if he can understand her fully (max difficulty as she is such a complex person) and call out her real name?
The issue is.. since we are far out in the series, we have likely already been introduced to the person who is controlling her... and i find myself flipping pages to see who it may be..
Bredon. The guy Kvothe plays tak with in Severon.
Well i actually think Abenthy is this person holding her hostage, like he's the only person that knows about the song that the father of kvothe was writing aside from the rest of the troupe wich are dead, and he actually got to leave the troupe right before the chandrian attack, for me he's like tryin to make Denna sing this song to get the most people to hear it, idk if that makes sense.
Interesting. Definitely possible. I just think because of all the time invested in Bredon/Tak there has to more to that relationship.
Lanre/Haliax also knew about the song Kvothe's parents wrote. And in Denna's version of the story, Lanre is the good guy. Could be that Lanre is her patron.
The anticipation for the 3rd book is killing me. Any theory could be right.
This man is so interesting. It is annoying when people are so impatient for a good or great book that they insult the writer.
Handled that nicely, but the sheer ARROGANCE of that question always irritates me. Any time a man makes a joke about a woman, or creates a female character, that paints her as anything other than PERFECT... and these "woke" types always fire off that lame-assed question: "Who hurt you, to make you hate women like you do?"
Whether it's the puffed up Female Supremacist, or the "white knight" convinced that simping will get them layed, they always operate from the premise that "Female = perfect, therefore if you don't worship the quicksand they walk on... you hate all women." The stupidity of such a sentiment boggles the mind.
Its especially strange since in the story, Kvothe outright says he is describing Denna from his own memory of her. He admits his own bias towards his portrayal of her as "perfect."
Nine years to finish an undergrad explains a lot
He started the series in 1994, and I don’t expect DOS until at least 2024. That’s crazy.
People literally blaming a hypothetical woman for a character that a man wrote
I was struggling to kinda accept the existence of Denna until she told Kvothe she "refuses to be one of the many". Ever since that moment, I absolutely hated her.
why tho
we are never gonna see the third book are we?
His payment was coke. Lol. Until he finally said cola, I had forgot Madison is like Mayberry.
Devi or Auri for the win. Denna is no good for our favorite arcanist.
Dude if i met a girl like Devi in real life i would take alone and never repay it just so she can torture me
Wow, I haven't thought about Tunnel Bob in ages.
Sounds like tunnel bob was split and we got auri and master archivist