Imagine trying to pull off the sickest Blade or deathblossom and your Lifeweaver pulls you away from the enemies. They should give the player the choice to cancel the pull.
If the speed of Life Grip does not exceed the speed of Hook, I would argue yes. However, if Life Grip pulls faster than Hook, I would argue (or, at least, I hope) that Life Grip would pull Hog beyond Hook's Maximum Range and the Hook would break, freeing Hog's target. I think this would be interesting to test. It would probably come down when the target location for the Hooked target is set during the Hook animation and when Lifeweaver grips Hog (assuming Grip doesn't immediately interrupt Hook and/or Hog can even be targeted with Grip while Hooking).
@@ForeverDegenerate I don't believe hog hook can break unless LOS is lost once the hook has made contact. If you've ever hooked someone at max distance and gotten booped immediately after, hook does not break and the target is still dragged along.
@@Cam-ou7br That's what I thought. If that's the case, then I don't see why Lifeweaver can't Super Hook with Grip. As long as Grip doesn't interrupt Hook, Hog's Hooked Target is goin' for a ride! Prepare for massive incoming complaints! 😆
Pulling Bob to a new spot half way through the Ult sounds like really fun play to pull off. Imagine everyone runs inside to get away and then you just pull him in in lol.
This petal is getting crazier and crazier with the different options for the different team comps. Some heroes get to higher ground quicker, some ults can get new angles, you can use the petal to put allow your team to rush to something, or even just put the petal up for your dps to try and get a pick.
Soldier, Cass, Bastion, Ball, Rein, Sig, Ashe, Bap, and Ram are gonna love having this guy on the team. Sombra and Mei are gonna love having this guy on the enemy team since they counter some of his biggest abilities. Roadhog, Doom, Orisa, and Rein will hate fighting him. That's what I've gathered at least.
@@NanoMp40 it would probably break it the same way like it does with the platform, u can see theres a chain under the trap and ig that has a maximum range before it breaks
You have to get the Petal into a good position first though, which probably wont be easy. Good to have on maps with lots of open sky and low buildings though, like Blizzardworld.
obviously people have their focus on lifeweaver at the moment but what I'm especially concerned about is what the roadhog rework looks like since they said a full on rework was coming in season 4 for him
Some of these results are surprising. In particular, I feel like Ramattra's Ravenous Vortex really should affect Petal Platform at least somewhat. Thanks for doing all of these.
Tree of Life healing through Sym wall was very surprising to me as well, I’m assuming that’s a big because barriers are always supposed to block AOE healing in OW I thought.
Well using any dash ability from within the vortex just gets you out of it anyway, so I wasn't all that surprised when the petal still worked. They really over-sold that vortex upon release lol
@@BangtangelG the vertical range of vortex is also surprisingly short. It can catch a Mercy GA to another hero but if you're Pharah, it's unlikely you'd be close enough to the ground to get sucked in anyways. I'm not surprised the petal isn't effected. It's max height is probably out of range
@@yanderedani9039 yeah. I've always thought it should go right up to the skybox, Why not? The main purpose of the ability is to pull people down. And it would still be fairly hard to pull down a pharah unless she's just hanging out in one spot
For blocking rein's shatter, what if you just immediately threw the petal at your feet as soon as you hear it? Im guessing you would still take the initial shatter damage but ultimately be lifted up to safety until you get back up from the stun
Realistically that's a pretty rare play unless your Lifeweaver is hiding somewhere. He has no meaningful horizonal mobility and hed have to be in the enemy's backline or in the middle of their team
If I had to guess, you'll most likely just move around the orisa since you do get some kind of CC effect immunity while in the bubble. And it's not like orisa is big enough to body block like a mei wall.
@@StephaneLevs you get compleet immunity from any form of damage etc while in life grip. Basically you are zarya bubbled that doesn't ever break during the entirety except it doesn't provide cleanse. Except it doesn't provide the actual shield part but does block damage going through the bubble. Basically it's a Suzu and matrix combination. That's why anyone standing behind the bubbled lifegripped target still dies from dva bomb, it acts as a suzu not a shield. However it does block stuff like damage or sleepdart going through the bubble because it basically matrixes those projectiles like a zarya bubble does but doesn't provide the shields to block a shatter because shatter isn't a projectile/bullet that can be eaten and it goes through the 'shield' because it's just a suzu
@@Siks7Ate9 Actually, Life Grip is, straight up, Zarya's Projected Barrier with a Pull, minus Cleanse. Zarya's Barriers do not act like Defense Matrix and I don't know where you got that idea. Zarya's Barriers are, as they say, barriers. They physically block all incoming damage until either the duration is met or the damage threshold is met. Life Grip has no damage threshold and can't be broken with damage. The reason Lifeweaver still gets hit from a full frontal DVa Bomb is because Lifeweaver has a massive hitbox (something I expect to get changed because I know why his hitbox is that big and it's a dumb reason). Gripped Allies don't provide enough cover for Lifeweaver not to get hit by DVa Bomb. If Lifeweaver could crouch during Grip, then maybe, but alas, he can't crouch during Grip as far as I know. This is why anything that covers an area larger than one character can hit Lifeweaver while he's Gripping an ally. And I know this is the case because someone (might have been Emongg in his previous video, actually) tried to block Barrage with Grip and failed. If Grip worked the way you claimed, he shouldn't have failed. Grip should have eaten that entire Barrage. But it didn't. It merely absorbed all the Barrage Missiles that actually hit and everything else hit Lifeweaver who was standing behind the Gripped Ally. Shatter is, potentially, a different matter. I think the reason Shatter hits is because Grip lifts the target, ever so slightly, into the air. Shatter travels on the ground and, thus, travels under the hovering ally, hitting Lifeweaver behind the Gripped ally. The same mechanic applies to Payloads. Payloads hover and don't actually touch the ground. Therefore it is possible for Rein to Shatter from one side of a Payload and hit the enemy on the either side because the Shatter travels under the hovering Payload. It's also possible it was a combination of this and one or more "Side Shatters" hitting Lifeweaver's massive hitbox, lest we forget that Shatter is a Cone Attack.
Hey Emongg, just wanted a few more questions answered about life grip I didn't see in this video -Can you pull an ally out of Ana's sleep dart (does it wake them back up or do you just pull them) -Will Wrecking Ball's ultimate balls activate if a teammate is pulled over them (just thought this could be a good way of clearing a path) -Are Frozen teammates able to be pulled out of Mei's ult -Can lifegrip be canceled, by any stun or sleep. That's about all I have for now, you answered the Rein charge and Roadhog hook questions I was wondering about.
Ashe will love lifeweaver - His pull on bob opens all sorts of plays - opponents target focus bob - pull when crit - he's not only saved and invulnerable for a second but also is repositioned allowing for a better angle.
to reduce the trolling of this character, I feel like all they would need to do is prevent pull from being used while in the air. This might reduce the plays LW can make, but should also prevent the pull team off map ability.
Does Lifeweaver's dropped healpack grant you ult charge when a teammate picks it up? Also, if an enemy picks it up does it count towards your healing total?
I am so glad LW didn't come out during season 3. Could you imagine him putting a tree of life on the payload and the ball just circling around it during overtime? That would have been awful to fight against lol.
So instead of a drop tire with junkrat you can do a drop trap; so basically you can put the friendly trap on the petal in the middle of the team and then yo break the petal you could trap someone by dropping them on top of it.
I'm wondering what happens if you pull an allied hog while he has an enemy grappled. Does the enemy end up in roadhog's spot before being gripped of do they get dragged along with him?
What about when Mercy is going to resurrect? Can you pull her up and still take effect or does it stop it? Can you use the petal to block the dmg from a Dva Bomb beneath you?
When Mercy goes too far from her resurrect target it cancels the rez and the ability goes on cooldown, so I think the same would count for that case. As for the Dva bomb I reckon if you can LoS it using the petal, you can block it as the petal counts as an object you can even grapple on to with 400hp, kind of like the Mei wall.
It seems that any ult that has a set AOE displayed on the ground to show the boundaries of the ult cannot be pulled away, provided that the anchor point of that ult is the character. If it is from the character then it can't move them, but if the ult radius comes from an item such as Mei's Blizzard ult then a petal can lift it and place it up higher preventing freezing
Oh that pin save thing is fantastic bait in a Rein V Rein. You could charge their rein to get the weaver to pull him then cancel your charge and shatter the unprotected team.
Emong , what about these interactions : Using "Life Grip" to try and cancel stuns like: ana's sleep , rein shatter , sombra hack. To see if it also cleanses the stuns and effects
Surprised they didn't immedietely attempt to test removing the little bit of space between the bubble and the floor by using stairs. LW at the bottom and Rein at top.
If [...] is put up (or above) the Petal Platform, does it lift up with it when activated?: - Any dead soul for Mercy to Resurrect - Soldier:76’s healing station - Winston’s Bubble - Zarya’s Graviton Surge - Wrecking Ball’s Minefield - Baptiste’s Immortality Field - A stationnary Pharah using Barrage - Mei’s Ice Wall - Ramattra’s Ravenous Vortex And how does the object interaction follows after breaking the Petal Platform? How far can you go through any choke point using a combo of Lifeweaver’s Petal Platform, Mei’s Ice Wall and Symmetra’s teleporter? Can you bounce a Moira’s Biotic Orb up and down under a Petal Platform? Does Life Gripping an ally sticked by a Tracer’s Pulse Bomb bring the Pulse Bomb with them, or drops the Pulse Bomb on the ground upon casting? Can a Payload carry the Tree of Life? Or destroy it? Can a Payload carry an inactive Petal Platform? Can you « Eat » a Lifeweaver’s Parting Gift as it drops as D.Va? Does Anti-Healing status prevents you from grabbing a Lifeweaver’s Parting Gift? Can you put a Tree of Life on top of a Dead Soul, successfully preventing any angle in which Mercy could resurrect the concerned ally? Can Sigma cast his Gravitic Flux targetting the top of the Petal Platform? Can casting Tree of Life between Roadhog and his Hooked target break the Hook? Can using Petal Platform under a Roadhog Hooking mess up or break the Hook? How efficient would Lifeweaver’s Healing Petals be through a Baptiste’s Amplification Matrix? (130HP burst of healings per shot?) What does a Lucio casting a Sound Barrier being Life Gripped away looks like? 👀 How much healing would a Lifeweaver and an Echo duplicated Lifeweaver simultaneous use of Tree of Life provide? Will Life Gripping as a Duplicated Lifeweaver cancel if the Duplication ends prematurely mid casting? Can Kiriko casts Kitsune Rush on top of the Petal Platform? Will the ultimate area be very small or will it continue it’s course on the floor bellow the Petal? When the Petal breaks, is the Kitsune Rush area just standing up there? Will Tree of Life lift up if a Mei’s Ice Wall is put under it? if Baptiste’s Amplification Matrix is placed on the Petal Platform on ground, will it lift up upon activation the platform, on the same fashion as the Amplification Matrix sticks to moving platform such as a Payload? If a Mei’s Ice Wall is placed in a doorway, will placing a Petal Platform under its Ice Pillars and activate it crush the Ice Pillars between the Petal Platform ground and the room/doorway’s ceiling, successfully offering a way for a Lifeweaver to quickly get rid of a wall if he needed? That’s all for me. 👀
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10:45 it doesn’t work because the player you pull gets lifted, which changes the interaction regarding LoS, it might be equal to the payload when they float. Maybe try a slightly higher elevation compared to your pull target and see if that works?
11:35 Just to follow up the Rein pin - after you've pulled your friendly to safety - if the Rein manages to reach another enemy, will Rein pin the second target, after the first target has been pulled out of the charge?
Of course. It happens all the time well before LW. Rein targets still take damage from other sources besides Rein when pinned, and can die while pinned and before being squished. Or even more simply, the target dies from the impact and doesn't even get pinned. In both cases, Rein can pick up another pin target. I've seen a single Rein charge kill 3 people this way.
Life Grip does not act like a Zarya Bubble, it’s not a barrier, which is why it wouldn’t block shatter. The “bubble” on Life Grip is probably simply to show the enemy that the player is immune, I reckon.
Does Dva's defense matrix/Sigma suck/Orisa spin/Genji deflect eat the projectile you throw out to cast a petal platform? Can Wreckingball counter grapple a wall while being pulled? Can you lift up a not triggered Junkrat trap with petal (friendly and enemy)? If you cast a junk trap on top of the petal (air and ground), does it break when the petal break if it's yet to be triggered? Does life grip wakeup sleeping allies? Can Cassidy roll/Moira fade/Reaper wraith/Tracer blink and recall while being pulled, and if so what happens?
The good: Ball rollouts, Life Grip to cancel hook (I think this is fine since Life Grip has a much longer cooldown than hook). The bad: Life Grip to cancel pin. Unreal.
Just bc your pull doesn't disrupt mcrees ult, doesn't mean it won't disrupt anyone else's. As a sombra. I can hack hamster and take him out of ball form and stop him from rolling around. But bastion, if I hack him, he stays in turret mode and keeps rolling around.
In that case Blizzard could tweak some heroes and add them to the Support roster since they provide more utility than damage. Sombra, Echo and Symmetra, for example.
@@iamfourmana they could but that's upset more people than necessary it's easier to release more supports with more utility than to rework old heroes and hear people bitch and moan.
You two must be new here. Supports, originally, included Utility Supports. Symmetra was, originally, a Support. They reworked her when they redefined "Support" to mean "Healer" and re-classed her to be a DPS. So, technically, moving Support away from healing only is a step backward. Whether that is a good or bad thing depends on who you ask.
@@mad0813 Ah ok. You'll notice they also did away with the "Defense" Role and merged it with DPS. It went about as well as you'd expect. It's obvious certain characters don't really fit the role and will never fully fit the role unless Blizzard strips them of their "kit identity" and gives them full reworks. And it's obvious that their attempts at giving them a role rework turned out... less than promising.
Won't the fact that Lifeweaver's death gift thing heal enemies as well as teammates essentially be a massive buff to flanker DPS? If a Tracer gets into your backline and kills Lifeweaver, she can just heal straight up and keep on wrecking havoc on your second support.
Kinda feel like we have 2 catagories of supports, Healers and Peelers. Healers being: Ana, Bap, Mercy, Moira and Kirirko. Peelers being: Brig, Lucio and Weaver. Then there is Zen who kinda just does his own thing
I just want to know the opposite of what he tested with rein. Is it like sym tp where rein will still be charging the enemy or will he let go of the pinned target. It would be fun to make rein a yo-yo lol
i find it funny, how i predicted this hero to myself. before i heard about lifeweaver, i had thought to myself that we needed a hero that can pull allies.... we need a hero that makes me irl cash.
I actually can see an insane cass ult combo happened similar to sigma and cass ult. When cass ults put a platform down jump off it use life grip on cass while in the air and it will go over any shield and possibly get a few picks if it’ll work like that.
@@alxie oh well then still you could use the platform to raise him higher or get on a different high ground and pull him to a different better angle :)
Lifegrip doesn’t function like a Zarya bubble. The immunity only applies to the teammate it was used on, and it doesn’t have a physical form like bubble.
It would be funny if there was a lifeweaver who when falling off the map would bring their teammates with them, like if I am going down MY FRIEND COMES WITH ME
The nice thing about pulling Cassidy during ult is it makes him invulnerable for a bit of his charge time. it would be neat if he could release Ult while traveling, but I suspect the player is locked from all further actions while traveling to prevent a lot of weirdness.
@@ForeverDegenerate Wow, weird. If she can bomb mid grip, then I wonder which other abilities haven't been turned off and can be used mid grip. Also if abilities are NOT turned off mid grip then the chance for people to whiff their ults due to a well intentioned grip goes up, which sucks.
My Reinhardt charge question is now answered, but I still wonder if pulling a friendly Hanzo in his ult animation will move the location of the dragon. :)
Genji would get, at least, one good slash before Lifeweaver can pull him. It was tested before and you can't pull Genji out of Blade Animation. So you have to wait for Genji to completely pull the Blade out before you can pull him. Don't get me wrong, it would still suck and would piss off the Genji, but you can't 100% deny Genji his Blade with Lifeweaver.
Is it possible to use life weaver and rien to make a rien yo-yo where rien charges and pins an enemy, then life weaver pulls both of them into your team?
Put petal in a room with a low ceiling. What happens? Stops short? Or pushes player off? Visually clips through room? Can see it above roof? Does it pick up player standing on roof if it clips through?
When they said "no, you can't interrupt ultimates" I really thought that meant you just couldn't move anyone who's ulting and it seemed like a pretty good idea in terms of preventing toxicity... Of course the more limited the ability is the less hype moments you'll see in higher levels of play. Edit: I guess it does apply to some ults? Seems a little arbitrary.
10:00 If LW is at the bottom of a stairway and Rein and the ally at the top and you pull your ally as Rein shatters, wouldn’t the ally be pulled towards you in a straight line? You may be able to block shatter that way, as the ally would touch the ground and the sphere may even overlap with it when moving towards you.
Can you stop a friendly mercy from reviving by pulling them to you? Can you stop a friendy or a enemy mercy from reviving someone with your platform? Can you pull a friendly iceblocked mei to you?
Because Rein's charge does activate petal platform, i'm curious if you can save teammates that way- say Life Grip is on cooldown and you see the enemy Rein charging with one of your teammates pinned, if you throw petal in his way will it lift your teammate up while Rein goes past?
I wonder if enemy sym will try to Pop off by using enemy's LW lift to attack from highground... You could destroy the lift hwile tp is building on it, it will fall down, and you pop your ult beneath the to so it would be destroyed and save the day While this is a situation on defence, such difficult plays that actually result in nullification of enemy's strategies is... Mind blowing
Can Baptiste's super jump go even higher when paired with the petal's jump boost? Can you cancel your teammate's ult activation with Life Grip? (i.e. similar to how stuns can cancel ults) Can you interrupt high noon's firing process and/or cause some shots to miss with Life Grip? Can you nano the tree? If not does nanoing Lifeweaver buff the tree? What happens when Sombra or Kiriko teleports away during Life Grip's animation? Does immortality field protect the tree? Can Bastion or Doomfist's ult target a lifted platform while holding right-click? Can Genji deflect the platform projectile?
Can you show how fast LW can heal various heroes up? I know it does 65 if fully charged but I am curious about how effective his healing actually is if that makes sense
Hmmm is that Voiceline he used during the pull specific to when saving vs a hog pull? "He said you're better off with me" almost sounds like he's like yeah i dont think you want that big mean hog hooking you, cmere instead... They do have some specific interactions like that occasionally to countering effects.
It wouldn't directly interrupt the channel, but Mercy has a built-in condition where it will cancel if she moves out of range from her target, and it's a very short range. So in 99% of cases it will interrupt.
I have seen others test this and, like the Dva remech mechanic where it will not allow you to pull her in her remeching state, it will NOT allow a rezzing Mercy to be pulled. You can put the petal platform underneath her, however, and raise her out of rez.
Life Weaver is gonna be a game changer to Overwatch, on trolling and on 500IQ plays
Imagine trying to pull off the sickest Blade or deathblossom and your Lifeweaver pulls you away from the enemies. They should give the player the choice to cancel the pull.
@@emanchi8403 are u sure you cant cancel?
Not really
Why did I read Wife Leaver xD
@@spacedout4061 the person being pulled cannot cancel the pull, no. Unless they’ve implemented a change since releasing him on the private servers
Can you lifegrip a friendly hog hooking someone to super hook them even further?
If the speed of Life Grip does not exceed the speed of Hook, I would argue yes. However, if Life Grip pulls faster than Hook, I would argue (or, at least, I hope) that Life Grip would pull Hog beyond Hook's Maximum Range and the Hook would break, freeing Hog's target. I think this would be interesting to test. It would probably come down when the target location for the Hooked target is set during the Hook animation and when Lifeweaver grips Hog (assuming Grip doesn't immediately interrupt Hook and/or Hog can even be targeted with Grip while Hooking).
@@ForeverDegenerate I don't believe hog hook can break unless LOS is lost once the hook has made contact. If you've ever hooked someone at max distance and gotten booped immediately after, hook does not break and the target is still dragged along.
@@Cam-ou7br That's what I thought. If that's the case, then I don't see why Lifeweaver can't Super Hook with Grip. As long as Grip doesn't interrupt Hook, Hog's Hooked Target is goin' for a ride! Prepare for massive incoming complaints! 😆
Pulling Bob to a new spot half way through the Ult sounds like really fun play to pull off. Imagine everyone runs inside to get away and then you just pull him in in lol.
Everyone hid from Bob... So we brought Bob to them!
and maybe also lift him up on the petal
Can he activate the fly pedal tho?
@@IndigoPilot Yeah, but not sure if you would want to do it. The flower blocks a lot, ,
Lemme rephrase, if he runs over it?
This petal is getting crazier and crazier with the different options for the different team comps. Some heroes get to higher ground quicker, some ults can get new angles, you can use the petal to put allow your team to rush to something, or even just put the petal up for your dps to try and get a pick.
soldier 76 ult and flower is probably gonna be an insane combo
Dependant on how smart the player is.
I imagine not many people will utilize, or know how to play around the new support.
Cause 🧠 Limitations.
@@juanperret7044 would probably be better for him to just ult in a kiriko ult and kill everyone and everything
Soldier, Cass, Bastion, Ball, Rein, Sig, Ashe, Bap, and Ram are gonna love having this guy on the team. Sombra and Mei are gonna love having this guy on the enemy team since they counter some of his biggest abilities. Roadhog, Doom, Orisa, and Rein will hate fighting him. That's what I've gathered at least.
Can you use LW's pull to grab allies out of junk rat trap?
Maybe the grab would bring both the ally and the trap hahaha I can see that
@@NanoMp40 it would probably break it the same way like it does with the platform, u can see theres a chain under the trap and ig that has a maximum range before it breaks
@@Relevart9169 so they added a way to avoid the trap being moved from the base? Thats interesting
Life Grip makes allies CC immune so you saw how you can save allies from Reinhardt Pin, it will also work for anything like Trap, Stun, Sleep, etc
I wanna know what happens if the petal lifts up the trap and the when the petal disappears it falls on you
I did not think about ball grappling the petal platform. This is a huge game changer, cant wait to play this new season!
it opens up so many team comps and combos with LW
You have to get the Petal into a good position first though, which probably wont be easy. Good to have on maps with lots of open sky and low buildings though, like Blizzardworld.
obviously people have their focus on lifeweaver at the moment but what I'm especially concerned about is what the roadhog rework looks like since they said a full on rework was coming in season 4 for him
No the balance patch has released today an d nope hog has been untouched😊
Petal platform and Junk's trap makes a piranha flower, this is now canon
Some of these results are surprising. In particular, I feel like Ramattra's Ravenous Vortex really should affect Petal Platform at least somewhat. Thanks for doing all of these.
Tree of Life healing through Sym wall was very surprising to me as well, I’m assuming that’s a big because barriers are always supposed to block AOE healing in OW I thought.
Well using any dash ability from within the vortex just gets you out of it anyway, so I wasn't all that surprised when the petal still worked. They really over-sold that vortex upon release lol
agreed idk why they arent going in on Rem's vortex when it comes to mechanics.
@@BangtangelG the vertical range of vortex is also surprisingly short. It can catch a Mercy GA to another hero but if you're Pharah, it's unlikely you'd be close enough to the ground to get sucked in anyways. I'm not surprised the petal isn't effected. It's max height is probably out of range
@@yanderedani9039 yeah. I've always thought it should go right up to the skybox, Why not? The main purpose of the ability is to pull people down. And it would still be fairly hard to pull down a pharah unless she's just hanging out in one spot
For blocking rein's shatter, what if you just immediately threw the petal at your feet as soon as you hear it? Im guessing you would still take the initial shatter damage but ultimately be lifted up to safety until you get back up from the stun
Mildly sad we can't have a crazy new Orisa combo, like we have for Sym/Orisa. Glad you tested it though! Awesome video!
Why not?
Realistically that's a pretty rare play unless your Lifeweaver is hiding somewhere. He has no meaningful horizonal mobility and hed have to be in the enemy's backline or in the middle of their team
Does Orisa's E still knockback enemies while being pulled? Can you kidnap enemies this way?
damn if it could, the line up has to be very precise, orisa, life, and enemy must be in line
If I had to guess, you'll most likely just move around the orisa since you do get some kind of CC effect immunity while in the bubble.
And it's not like orisa is big enough to body block like a mei wall.
discount hog hook
@@StephaneLevs you get compleet immunity from any form of damage etc while in life grip. Basically you are zarya bubbled that doesn't ever break during the entirety except it doesn't provide cleanse. Except it doesn't provide the actual shield part but does block damage going through the bubble. Basically it's a Suzu and matrix combination.
That's why anyone standing behind the bubbled lifegripped target still dies from dva bomb, it acts as a suzu not a shield. However it does block stuff like damage or sleepdart going through the bubble because it basically matrixes those projectiles like a zarya bubble does but doesn't provide the shields to block a shatter because shatter isn't a projectile/bullet that can be eaten and it goes through the 'shield' because it's just a suzu
@@Siks7Ate9 Actually, Life Grip is, straight up, Zarya's Projected Barrier with a Pull, minus Cleanse. Zarya's Barriers do not act like Defense Matrix and I don't know where you got that idea. Zarya's Barriers are, as they say, barriers. They physically block all incoming damage until either the duration is met or the damage threshold is met. Life Grip has no damage threshold and can't be broken with damage. The reason Lifeweaver still gets hit from a full frontal DVa Bomb is because Lifeweaver has a massive hitbox (something I expect to get changed because I know why his hitbox is that big and it's a dumb reason). Gripped Allies don't provide enough cover for Lifeweaver not to get hit by DVa Bomb. If Lifeweaver could crouch during Grip, then maybe, but alas, he can't crouch during Grip as far as I know. This is why anything that covers an area larger than one character can hit Lifeweaver while he's Gripping an ally. And I know this is the case because someone (might have been Emongg in his previous video, actually) tried to block Barrage with Grip and failed. If Grip worked the way you claimed, he shouldn't have failed. Grip should have eaten that entire Barrage. But it didn't. It merely absorbed all the Barrage Missiles that actually hit and everything else hit Lifeweaver who was standing behind the Gripped Ally.
Shatter is, potentially, a different matter. I think the reason Shatter hits is because Grip lifts the target, ever so slightly, into the air. Shatter travels on the ground and, thus, travels under the hovering ally, hitting Lifeweaver behind the Gripped ally. The same mechanic applies to Payloads. Payloads hover and don't actually touch the ground. Therefore it is possible for Rein to Shatter from one side of a Payload and hit the enemy on the either side because the Shatter travels under the hovering Payload. It's also possible it was a combination of this and one or more "Side Shatters" hitting Lifeweaver's massive hitbox, lest we forget that Shatter is a Cone Attack.
Hey Emongg, just wanted a few more questions answered about life grip I didn't see in this video
-Can you pull an ally out of Ana's sleep dart (does it wake them back up or do you just pull them)
-Will Wrecking Ball's ultimate balls activate if a teammate is pulled over them (just thought this could be a good way of clearing a path)
-Are Frozen teammates able to be pulled out of Mei's ult
-Can lifegrip be canceled, by any stun or sleep.
That's about all I have for now, you answered the Rein charge and Roadhog hook questions I was wondering about.
Ashe will love lifeweaver - His pull on bob opens all sorts of plays - opponents target focus bob - pull when crit - he's not only saved and invulnerable for a second but also is repositioned allowing for a better angle.
how do lifeweavers abilities look when paired when kitsune rush?
to reduce the trolling of this character, I feel like all they would need to do is prevent pull from being used while in the air. This might reduce the plays LW can make, but should also prevent the pull team off map ability.
They announced a ltm called B.O.B and weave, so I think they know about the bob interaction and intend on using it
Does Lifeweaver's dropped healpack grant you ult charge when a teammate picks it up? Also, if an enemy picks it up does it count towards your healing total?
interesting.
Emongg actaully performs qa for blizzard with these videos. Some of those interactions are definitely not intended
I am so glad LW didn't come out during season 3. Could you imagine him putting a tree of life on the payload and the ball just circling around it during overtime? That would have been awful to fight against lol.
bless emongg for answering questions the whole community has truly the best in the whole community even apart from this
question for even more interactions: can you pull junkrat while he is revving up his tire without cancelling his ult?
Since it's mid animation I don't think so. Since your can't cancel other animations so far as I know.
I wonder if Bap's jump boost gets increased at the height of Lifeweaver's platform?
That was in the first video
Yes, you can see it in the first mythbusting video. Double height.
So instead of a drop tire with junkrat you can do a drop trap; so basically you can put the friendly trap on the petal in the middle of the team and then yo break the petal you could trap someone by dropping them on top of it.
I’m sure it’s possible because kiriko ult doesn’t have a vertical limit. But kiriko ult on top of the petal would look cool
I'm wondering what happens if you pull an allied hog while he has an enemy grappled. Does the enemy end up in roadhog's spot before being gripped of do they get dragged along with him?
9:32 Well you could grip a Kiriko though which cleanses the team afterwards. Makes it even easier to deny shatter
How it's probably gonna go:
Orisa: I hate you. Fak off!
Wrecking Ball: You're my new best friend.
What about when Mercy is going to resurrect? Can you pull her up and still take effect or does it stop it? Can you use the petal to block the dmg from a Dva Bomb beneath you?
When Mercy goes too far from her resurrect target it cancels the rez and the ability goes on cooldown, so I think the same would count for that case. As for the Dva bomb I reckon if you can LoS it using the petal, you can block it as the petal counts as an object you can even grapple on to with 400hp, kind of like the Mei wall.
You can't pull her during rez, but you can put a platform underneath her that can cancel rez if done quick enough.
It seems that any ult that has a set AOE displayed on the ground to show the boundaries of the ult cannot be pulled away, provided that the anchor point of that ult is the character. If it is from the character then it can't move them, but if the ult radius comes from an item such as Mei's Blizzard ult then a petal can lift it and place it up higher preventing freezing
You didn't only emp the tree...you erased it from existence. XD
Oh that pin save thing is fantastic bait in a Rein V Rein. You could charge their rein to get the weaver to pull him then cancel your charge and shatter the unprotected team.
Emong , what about these interactions : Using "Life Grip" to try and cancel stuns like: ana's sleep , rein shatter , sombra hack. To see if it also cleanses the stuns and effects
He tested if it cleanses in a previous video. It does not cleanse.
the only cleanse he tested was anti-heal
would still be interesting if it interacts differently with sleep or shatter
So glad there's yet another character that can completely negate reins charge.
I also love sombra hacking a tree. That tracks
I'm glad the Junkrat trap interaction was so interesting! I wonder if it'll be worth JR trying to trap+mine petals before they go up!
thats gonna be a fun combo
Surprised they didn't immedietely attempt to test removing the little bit of space between the bubble and the floor by using stairs. LW at the bottom and Rein at top.
If [...] is put up (or above) the Petal Platform, does it lift up with it when activated?:
- Any dead soul for Mercy to Resurrect
- Soldier:76’s healing station
- Winston’s Bubble
- Zarya’s Graviton Surge
- Wrecking Ball’s Minefield
- Baptiste’s Immortality Field
- A stationnary Pharah using Barrage
- Mei’s Ice Wall
- Ramattra’s Ravenous Vortex
And how does the object interaction follows after breaking the Petal Platform?
How far can you go through any choke point using a combo of Lifeweaver’s Petal Platform, Mei’s Ice Wall and Symmetra’s teleporter?
Can you bounce a Moira’s Biotic Orb up and down under a Petal Platform?
Does Life Gripping an ally sticked by a Tracer’s Pulse Bomb bring the Pulse Bomb with them, or drops the Pulse Bomb on the ground upon casting?
Can a Payload carry the Tree of Life?
Or destroy it?
Can a Payload carry an inactive Petal Platform?
Can you « Eat » a Lifeweaver’s Parting Gift as it drops as D.Va?
Does Anti-Healing status prevents you from grabbing a Lifeweaver’s Parting Gift?
Can you put a Tree of Life on top of a Dead Soul, successfully preventing any angle in which Mercy could resurrect the concerned ally?
Can Sigma cast his Gravitic Flux targetting the top of the Petal Platform?
Can casting Tree of Life between Roadhog and his Hooked target break the Hook?
Can using Petal Platform under a Roadhog Hooking mess up or break the Hook?
How efficient would Lifeweaver’s Healing Petals be through a Baptiste’s Amplification Matrix? (130HP burst of healings per shot?)
What does a Lucio casting a Sound Barrier being Life Gripped away looks like? 👀
How much healing would a Lifeweaver and an Echo duplicated Lifeweaver simultaneous use of Tree of Life provide?
Will Life Gripping as a Duplicated Lifeweaver cancel if the Duplication ends prematurely mid casting?
Can Kiriko casts Kitsune Rush on top of the Petal Platform? Will the ultimate area be very small or will it continue it’s course on the floor bellow the Petal? When the Petal breaks, is the Kitsune Rush area just standing up there?
Will Tree of Life lift up if a Mei’s Ice Wall is put under it?
if Baptiste’s Amplification Matrix is placed on the Petal Platform on ground, will it lift up upon activation the platform, on the same fashion as the Amplification Matrix sticks to moving platform such as a Payload?
If a Mei’s Ice Wall is placed in a doorway, will placing a Petal Platform under its Ice Pillars and activate it crush the Ice Pillars between the Petal Platform ground and the room/doorway’s ceiling, successfully offering a way for a Lifeweaver to quickly get rid of a wall if he needed?
That’s all for me. 👀
Can you increase the pulses from the tree by ulting with kiriko?
Anyone that thinks LW is underpowered simply lacks immagination. He will change the game and is crazy powerful
Since the petal looks big enough to go past the Mei wall, it looks like you can put the platform next to the wall so that your ally can climb over
Just stumbled upon your channel while watching videos about the newest patch and Lifeweaver's release. I really like the content and how you format it. Glad the algorithm earned you another sub and I'm sure plenty more to come. Surprised you're not as big if not bigger than Stylosa or other overwatch content creators from the quality of the content, I like how concise your videos are compared to "others" sometimes lol
Imagine you’re on high ground and suddenly an enemy ulting orisa takes the elevator to your level and smashes you. 😅😂😂
10:45 it doesn’t work because the player you pull gets lifted, which changes the interaction regarding LoS, it might be equal to the payload when they float. Maybe try a slightly higher elevation compared to your pull target and see if that works?
11:35 Just to follow up the Rein pin - after you've pulled your friendly to safety - if the Rein manages to reach another enemy, will Rein pin the second target, after the first target has been pulled out of the charge?
Of course. It happens all the time well before LW. Rein targets still take damage from other sources besides Rein when pinned, and can die while pinned and before being squished. Or even more simply, the target dies from the impact and doesn't even get pinned. In both cases, Rein can pick up another pin target. I've seen a single Rein charge kill 3 people this way.
I think you could probably affect rein pin and queen ult with petal if you activate the petal yourself at the right time
Life Grip does not act like a Zarya Bubble, it’s not a barrier, which is why it wouldn’t block shatter. The “bubble” on Life Grip is probably simply to show the enemy that the player is immune, I reckon.
The techniques and interactions community can find with Lifeweaver will probably last for a veryyy long time untill everything is cleared
I really hope the Tree of Life healing going through shields is a glitch. Because every other healing can't go through shields, except Mercy.
Does Dva's defense matrix/Sigma suck/Orisa spin/Genji deflect eat the projectile you throw out to cast a petal platform?
Can Wreckingball counter grapple a wall while being pulled?
Can you lift up a not triggered Junkrat trap with petal (friendly and enemy)? If you cast a junk trap on top of the petal (air and ground), does it break when the petal break if it's yet to be triggered?
Does life grip wakeup sleeping allies?
Can Cassidy roll/Moira fade/Reaper wraith/Tracer blink and recall while being pulled, and if so what happens?
The good: Ball rollouts, Life Grip to cancel hook (I think this is fine since Life Grip has a much longer cooldown than hook).
The bad: Life Grip to cancel pin. Unreal.
Huge orisa play; Orisa jumps off cliff sucks in opponents then release charge get pulled to safety
Just bc your pull doesn't disrupt mcrees ult, doesn't mean it won't disrupt anyone else's.
As a sombra. I can hack hamster and take him out of ball form and stop him from rolling around. But bastion, if I hack him, he stays in turret mode and keeps rolling around.
I like the idea of hero. It makes support more of a support and not just heal bots it's a step in the right direction.
In that case Blizzard could tweak some heroes and add them to the Support roster since they provide more utility than damage. Sombra, Echo and Symmetra, for example.
@@iamfourmana they could but that's upset more people than necessary it's easier to release more supports with more utility than to rework old heroes and hear people bitch and moan.
You two must be new here. Supports, originally, included Utility Supports. Symmetra was, originally, a Support. They reworked her when they redefined "Support" to mean "Healer" and re-classed her to be a DPS. So, technically, moving Support away from healing only is a step backward. Whether that is a good or bad thing depends on who you ask.
@@ForeverDegenerate I'm just going off what I'm seeing, I played back when sym was support I'm surprised they made the change.
@@mad0813 Ah ok. You'll notice they also did away with the "Defense" Role and merged it with DPS. It went about as well as you'd expect. It's obvious certain characters don't really fit the role and will never fully fit the role unless Blizzard strips them of their "kit identity" and gives them full reworks. And it's obvious that their attempts at giving them a role rework turned out... less than promising.
Mei and Torb “Life Grip’d” you out of the outro 😂
Won't the fact that Lifeweaver's death gift thing heal enemies as well as teammates essentially be a massive buff to flanker DPS? If a Tracer gets into your backline and kills Lifeweaver, she can just heal straight up and keep on wrecking havoc on your second support.
Kinda feel like we have 2 catagories of supports, Healers and Peelers. Healers being: Ana, Bap, Mercy, Moira and Kirirko. Peelers being: Brig, Lucio and Weaver. Then there is Zen who kinda just does his own thing
I would love to know if you can pull Reinhardt mid ult. For example if he jumps off high ground and ults, and you pull him to you and the smash Hits
Apparently mei doing ice block while in life grip makes a sort of slingshot.
I just want to know the opposite of what he tested with rein. Is it like sym tp where rein will still be charging the enemy or will he let go of the pinned target. It would be fun to make rein a yo-yo lol
yeah can you pull a friendly rein? and if rein pinned someone, can they be pulled too? can you use this to trap enemy in your spawn?
i find it funny, how i predicted this hero to myself. before i heard about lifeweaver, i had thought to myself that we needed a hero that can pull allies.... we need a hero that makes me irl cash.
Can you pull a friendly Mei while they're in their ice block?
My guess would be a hard no, she cannot be healed in that state so I doubt Lifeweaver could lock on either.
@@jendadragon5944 That would make sense I guess. I mean you could just pull her out as soon as she comes out if needed.
I actually can see an insane cass ult combo happened similar to sigma and cass ult. When cass ults put a platform down jump off it use life grip on cass while in the air and it will go over any shield and possibly get a few picks if it’ll work like that.
You can't pull when falling
@@alxie oh well then still you could use the platform to raise him higher or get on a different high ground and pull him to a different better angle :)
Life grip is a mix of immortal and fortify (according to flats’ video?), so the shatter wouldn’t effect it
Of course you can pull Bob there's literally going to be an 3v3 lifeweaver with an Bob with the whole point of moving Bob around the map sound fun NGL
Lifegrip doesn’t function like a Zarya bubble. The immunity only applies to the teammate it was used on, and it doesn’t have a physical form like bubble.
It would be funny if there was a lifeweaver who when falling off the map would bring their teammates with them, like if I am going down MY FRIEND COMES WITH ME
Follow up question for the rein charge, if you grip someone out of the pin can the rein pin someone new with the same charge?
Yes he can, atleast it should be the same as when someone dies during being pinned you can grab another person.
Yoo the marblr cameo, I can’t wait to see if he makes a video on Lifeweaver’s technical details
I have a feeling LF is going to be used in aggressive team comps and won't even use his heals much...
You'll have to stay on the petal a bit longer to activate it. You can jump on it then quickly jump out of it and it won't activate the petal.
Can't wait for LW to pull Reaper Death Blossom into the entire enemy. Call it the yo-yo meta
I wonder what would happen if 5 Life Weavers grabbed each other in a line simultaneously.
Life weaver's abilities (petal and lifegrip) should not counter every damage ult. It should counter some ults but not all
The nice thing about pulling Cassidy during ult is it makes him invulnerable for a bit of his charge time. it would be neat if he could release Ult while traveling, but I suspect the player is locked from all further actions while traveling to prevent a lot of weirdness.
Also, have you tried to pull friendly DVAs mech/ult to reposition it?
You suspect incorrectly. DVa can Bomb mid-Grip.
@@ForeverDegenerate Wow, weird. If she can bomb mid grip, then I wonder which other abilities haven't been turned off and can be used mid grip. Also if abilities are NOT turned off mid grip then the chance for people to whiff their ults due to a well intentioned grip goes up, which sucks.
@@jackobatgaming Yeah that's the one thing nobody has tested yet: What you can and can't do while you're being pulled by Lifeweaver.
My Reinhardt charge question is now answered, but I still wonder if pulling a friendly Hanzo in his ult animation will move the location of the dragon. :)
Now, imagine a Genji dashing into the air to nanoblade then you just pull him back
Genji would get, at least, one good slash before Lifeweaver can pull him. It was tested before and you can't pull Genji out of Blade Animation. So you have to wait for Genji to completely pull the Blade out before you can pull him. Don't get me wrong, it would still suck and would piss off the Genji, but you can't 100% deny Genji his Blade with Lifeweaver.
he's basically a must pick with any long range damage dealer with low mobility
Is it possible to use life weaver and rien to make a rien yo-yo where rien charges and pins an enemy, then life weaver pulls both of them into your team?
I think Mei Wall, Flower Platform, Sym TP could make a lot of new insane plays
I'm extremely surprise you didn't let bob run over the flower to see if he can trigger it.
Put petal in a room with a low ceiling. What happens? Stops short? Or pushes player off? Visually clips through room? Can see it above roof? Does it pick up player standing on roof if it clips through?
I can't wait for the dedicated trolls who ruin every game to have this power .
When they said "no, you can't interrupt ultimates" I really thought that meant you just couldn't move anyone who's ulting and it seemed like a pretty good idea in terms of preventing toxicity... Of course the more limited the ability is the less hype moments you'll see in higher levels of play.
Edit: I guess it does apply to some ults? Seems a little arbitrary.
the play with symetra is they counter your orisa ult with the petal and you use symetra tp to teleport orisa back down and explode the enemy team
10:00 If LW is at the bottom of a stairway and Rein and the ally at the top and you pull your ally as Rein shatters, wouldn’t the ally be pulled towards you in a straight line? You may be able to block shatter that way, as the ally would touch the ground and the sphere may even overlap with it when moving towards you.
Ok, I just watched the example with D.Va’s bomb and I guess the example in my comment wouldn’t work
being able to pull bob is really really good you put bob in a spot he gets a kill no one is in sight then he pulls him to the others
Can you stop a friendly mercy from reviving by pulling them to you?
Can you stop a friendy or a enemy mercy from reviving someone with your platform?
Can you pull a friendly iceblocked mei to you?
The fact that he can counter Zarya’s Grab is so ridiculous 😩
The Orisa ult life grip safeguard should be removed, scared there might be too many safeguards and not allow for as much character expression
Because Rein's charge does activate petal platform, i'm curious if you can save teammates that way- say Life Grip is on cooldown and you see the enemy Rein charging with one of your teammates pinned, if you throw petal in his way will it lift your teammate up while Rein goes past?
My question with Reinhardt's pin is, If a friendly Reinhardt pins an enemy and you pull them, does the enemy stay in pin, or does Rein drop them.
I wonder if enemy sym will try to Pop off by using enemy's LW lift to attack from highground... You could destroy the lift hwile tp is building on it, it will fall down, and you pop your ult beneath the to so it would be destroyed and save the day
While this is a situation on defence, such difficult plays that actually result in nullification of enemy's strategies is... Mind blowing
Can Baptiste's super jump go even higher when paired with the petal's jump boost?
Can you cancel your teammate's ult activation with Life Grip? (i.e. similar to how stuns can cancel ults)
Can you interrupt high noon's firing process and/or cause some shots to miss with Life Grip?
Can you nano the tree? If not does nanoing Lifeweaver buff the tree?
What happens when Sombra or Kiriko teleports away during Life Grip's animation?
Does immortality field protect the tree?
Can Bastion or Doomfist's ult target a lifted platform while holding right-click?
Can Genji deflect the platform projectile?
Can you show how fast LW can heal various heroes up? I know it does 65 if fully charged but I am curious about how effective his healing actually is if that makes sense
its 65 every 1.75 seconds, u can do the math yourself
@@Relevart9169 Depends on the range and curving around shields etc, we just want to see a gameplay example LOL
@@FishboyAbzu considering he struggles to keep the bots in the training range alive he'll be terrible at that in actual gameplay
does LW's parting gift work like healthpacks in that you don't pick it up if you are already full heath? for both allies/enemies I guess
Ball-LW combo seems craaazzzyyy tbh if you have a good ball player
Hmmm is that Voiceline he used during the pull specific to when saving vs a hog pull? "He said you're better off with me" almost sounds like he's like yeah i dont think you want that big mean hog hooking you, cmere instead... They do have some specific interactions like that occasionally to countering effects.
Could you do "what happens if LW pulls Mercy while she's rezzing?"
It wouldn't directly interrupt the channel, but Mercy has a built-in condition where it will cancel if she moves out of range from her target, and it's a very short range. So in 99% of cases it will interrupt.
I have seen others test this and, like the Dva remech mechanic where it will not allow you to pull her in her remeching state, it will NOT allow a rezzing Mercy to be pulled. You can put the petal platform underneath her, however, and raise her out of rez.
Niandra tested this. You cannot target Mercy with lifegrip while she’s rezzing, the target reticle disappears during the rez animation.
Real question is can Cassidy shoot in his high noon while he is invulnerable from the grip?......
Somethimg i think would be cool is if his dash would be like a double jump and his dmg ability should be on the other mous boutton. :)