A quick and sloppy cell phone video of my thoughts and ramblings on the wide G3 handguard. let me know what else you'd like to see with the PTR-91. Thanks for watching.
In the mid 70s I bought a genuine German -made HK 91 long before the import ban.I managed to acquire virtually every accessory for this first gun as well as a second one that I had stumbled onto in a local pawnshop. The HK 91 came with the wide hand guard at the time but I later acquired the slim line forearm that came with an aluminum heat shield. I managed to keep the first 91 which I still have. I re installed the wide forearm since it is the only one of the two hand guards that will accommodate a bi pod , which I also own. The PTR came about largely because of the Bush import ban and the fact that it was strictly a political move pertaining to imported semi auto military styled rifles. The PTR has an advantage over the HK 91 with regard to the welded on picatanny rail on the top of the rifle which precludes the need for an expensive claw mount scope mount. I managed to acquire a genuine HK extended butt plate which dampens the recoil and adds about 1 1/2 inches to the rear stock. Through a vendor I managed to pick up an extended number of surplus G3 magazines which was an outstanding deal. German engineering made the 91 a good, albeit a heavy rifle.
They are saying the PTR is more accurate than the old HK's. You should sell off the HK, get a PRT and pocket the extra cash. I did this with a Chinese AK that became a collector item.
I went from the slim, to the wide to the mlok carbine rail for $70 and its discapates the heat better than both. But I do understand that some like the look of the slim and wide.
The wide handguard G3 got me many, many attack helis in CoD 4, and the slim didn't. Was a simple decision for me for $125 based on that alone. Add that AC Unity has started making their own brand new versions of it and you basically have no reason not to get one, even if it is subjectively incredibly ugly for as much as it costs. Jokes and 7 kill streaks aside, The HK bipod is pretty good for stability and readily available (if a bit expensive), but it does add a lot of girth to the grip and weight to the front of the gun, so unless you have massive gorilla hands and/or solely shoot from a bench, skip the bipod or just keep it in your pocket, it takes 2 seconds to clip it in if you want it. Just note if you find an HK33/HK93 clone with a similar wide forend, the bipod is completely interchangeable and will work on it as well.
It’s been some years ago now but I got the wide hand guard along with the HK bi pod for $120 from RTG parts. Probably 7-8 years ago now. It’s crazy how nothing ever gets cheaper.
The wide handguard - especially when it's ventilated is GOOOOD. I did the work myself as the real slotted thing is unavailable to the extreme. The bi-pod is also very useful, so change it asap.
@@TheTyler701 - Sorry for the delay answering you - my bad. I measured by look the slots and their pitches - using a 1/4" endcutter I used my adjustable vice on my drill press and removed the plastic and aluminum underneath. It was a slow process. Is there any way I can send a few pics of mine? I bought the C91 handguard but I did the work on my C93 myself.
Wide hand guard looks better, and has bracket for bi-pod. Clip on the side is for if you have the 3 point sling. My PTR had that crummy black plastic hand guard, and I didn't like it. I think PTR should have gone the extra mile and made or contracted to make the wide hand guard to save us end users the hassle of having to "complete" the look and utility of an otherwise outstanding rifle. Good Video!
I got mine when they were not that bad priced. Also got a HK93 trigger housing. Also got the bi pod for it. I Have a carry handle but it won't work with a scope so it's a no go.
Punch in ptr 91 tri rail on Google / I just got one works great / tri picatinny rail with stubby grip and bipod in same package , runs about 80 / 90 bucks
Robertrtg has them in black for like $80 as of 4/23/22..brand is AC-Unity. RKSUSA might have them, but wouldn't recommend them...I've been waiting for almost 8 months to have it delivered ...
The original CETME Modelo 1 (The grandpa to the g3) didn't even have handguards, just a steel bipod that folded up and doubled as a "handguard." Back then they just figured men should suck it up and get burnt. I have the narrow wooden handguards from the early '60's and I've never had any issues with the heat, I can see why the guards got bigger though.
Yeah lol, after putting 2 mags through mine, I couldn't touch it without insulated handguards! Even the Rhodesians had to put some wood padding on their original handguards! Thanks for watching
I enjoy the wide handguards for the look and their ability to use both Versa pod mounts and the HK style of bipods. There used to be Turkish/pof bipods readily available but they are now double the price. Fairly flimsy too. If so had to do it over starting off NOW 2023, I’d honestly go the wide handguard from AC unity and I’d get a Versa pod adapter that fits on the handguard.
That sounds like the best option in today's market. I wasn't even aware that AC unity made G3 handguards. I would love it if Magpul did! A zhukov like G3 handguard would be perfect!
Thought about taking a slim handguard and dremeling out some of those little slots to add some heat dissipation. Not sure if it’s worth the effort but since the surplus slims are so cheap I figure I’ll give it a shot.
Tri rail picatinny with stubby grip and bipod in same package runs about 80 / 90 bucks and way better for keeping barrel cooled down & options / but if your going for that old school look wide hand gaurd is the way to go 👍
The hole gun is worth it this is the closest us American citizens today are going to get a HK91/G3 rifle.thanks to your President Bush that Ban all kinds of nice rifles
I bought a "new" CETME C308 for 7 Benjamin's which has the same PTR "Navy" polymer lower and kept the furniture. Scratches my G3/1960's African mercenary/Cold War itch for me. Some guys try to turn theirs into an HK, not me. The Spanish CETME is the original OG. Old school is more cool! :D
I wonder if the longer handguard interferes with shell ejection (per ejects the spent shells forward). It seems pretty close to the ejection port. That would be a serious consideration.
Why did you change out that butt plate. I got a ptr32 recently and the butt plate is not set flush with the stock. I’ll probably change out the whole stock. Those slim hand guards are terrible. Agree. Looking for some surplus wood furniture. Crazy expensive I know but looks cool. Best. H
i got wood grip and stock , forend on mine . they are the way to go for heat and looks . but good luck finding a nice set cheap ! cetme wood will work but they are getting hard to find in anything but bad shape now . the little 'clip' on the stock is for a sling . if you think it gets hot now try one in full auto ! lol . got to shoot a real g3 in the army back in the early 80's . wasn't as bad to control as some say it is . far better then the m14 is ! but that damn collapsible stock got my shoulder bigtime ! found out why it's called the ' meat grinder ' ! lol
I can imagine the A3 stock would be brutal in full auto! I've never shot an A3 stock on a G3 but I have on an MP5 and it didn't hurt my shoulder but I did have to grind my cheek down into the metal arm to see the sights!
What’s better than a g3 hand guard? The fal. What’s better than the fal hand guard? The rifle length magpul handgaurd. The past present and future have been ruled by the m16. And in a sense the aug
I came accross the ptr at my local Rural King & instantly fell in love however, Due to bills, I could not afford it at this time. Just now, I went to RK's website so that I could have the exact nomenclature for the exact model # however, this time I typed in PTR IN RK'S SEARCH BAR & EVERY PTR POPPED UP! I was unaware of their massive selection! If you had it all to do again, which model would you go with? The 16" or 18" They have the 9mm versions but, I want a .308!!! Idk which one is best out of the different models of .308?
If I had to do it all over again I'd probably go with the G.I. R. It has the steel lower, classic parkerized finish and a rail too. Or just the GI model. Either model, I'd take an 18" barrel over the 16" barrel. The one I have, the A3S has a "match grade" barrel and shoots better than 2 MOA with ball ammo but I wish it came with the steel lower rather than the polymer one. I think either way, you'll love whatever you get. Definitely recommend getting an HK sight tool, they're cheap and a must have for elevation adjustments on the sights.
Just picked up the AC-Unity wide handguard from rtg. Only in stock in black, but I rattle canned it. Taking it shooting soon, interested to see how it handles the heat over the slim one.
@@blue_ridge_shooting7668 update: Yeah that handguard works great. Mag dumped a couple mags, could handle the rifle with no gloves the whole time. I would highly recommend the AC-Unity to anyone looking for the wide handguard.
@@MisterNineEleven It works fine. It's a bit bigger and has different texture than thr original HK wide handguards. I was able to buy an original HK wide green handguard so I have that on my rifle at the moment. The AC-Unity one is good of you don't want to source a HK one. Handles the heat much better than the slim ones, if that's what you plan on replacing. I usually shoot 100-150 rds in any session. 308 is still kinda pricey, brass at least.
Wanna know how I made a heat shield for my black slim handguard? I just lined it with Aluminum foil XD Yep.... an 8th of a cheap roll of standard kitchen Aluminum foil and now I have a good heat shield/sink.
I have the black wide hand guards much better ..better ergo and heat resistance..do buy the a4 folding but stock …sucks …..I think the wide look .looks better kinda retro
@@blue_ridge_shooting7668 I found one it’s says it fits a 16 inch barrel, this sounds stupid but would it fit a 18 inch barrel? Cause I have layaway on a 18 inch Ptr 91 and I don’t want to buy this hk 91 handguard and for it to not fit.
@@marcelosauceda8458 I can't say for sure but that sounds like an HK33 handguard, made for the 5.56 rifles. If it's made for the 5.56 16" barrel rifles it will not fit on the 18" PTR-91's
@@marcelosauceda8458 hk91/G3 pattern rifles are almost always 18" barrels. Some have 16" barrels but still have the front sight at the same place so the same handguard fits.
In the mid 70s I bought a genuine German -made HK 91 long before the import ban.I managed to acquire virtually every accessory for this first gun as well as a second one that I had stumbled onto in a local pawnshop. The HK 91 came with the wide hand guard at the time but I later acquired the slim line forearm that came with an aluminum heat shield. I managed to keep the first 91 which I still have. I re installed the wide forearm since it is the only one of the two hand guards that will accommodate a bi pod , which I also own. The PTR came about largely because of the Bush import ban and the fact that it was strictly a political move pertaining to imported semi auto military styled rifles. The PTR has an advantage over the HK 91 with regard to the welded on picatanny rail on the top of the rifle which precludes the need for an expensive claw mount scope mount. I managed to acquire a genuine HK extended butt plate which dampens the recoil and adds about 1 1/2 inches to the rear stock. Through a vendor I managed to pick up an extended number of surplus G3 magazines which was an outstanding deal. German engineering made the 91 a good, albeit a heavy rifle.
I think that's a very accurate assessment. It is an awesome rifle and I love mine but it is a very heavy rifle by modern standards for sure!
lucky
They are saying the PTR is more accurate than the old HK's. You should sell off the HK, get a PRT and pocket the extra cash. I did this with a Chinese AK that became a collector item.
@@SanitysVoidlmao, no, PTR has QC problems
I went from the slim, to the wide to the mlok carbine rail for $70 and its discapates the heat better than both. But I do understand that some like the look of the slim and wide.
The wide handguard G3 got me many, many attack helis in CoD 4, and the slim didn't. Was a simple decision for me for $125 based on that alone. Add that AC Unity has started making their own brand new versions of it and you basically have no reason not to get one, even if it is subjectively incredibly ugly for as much as it costs.
Jokes and 7 kill streaks aside, The HK bipod is pretty good for stability and readily available (if a bit expensive), but it does add a lot of girth to the grip and weight to the front of the gun, so unless you have massive gorilla hands and/or solely shoot from a bench, skip the bipod or just keep it in your pocket, it takes 2 seconds to clip it in if you want it. Just note if you find an HK33/HK93 clone with a similar wide forend, the bipod is completely interchangeable and will work on it as well.
It’s been some years ago now but I got the wide hand guard along with the HK bi pod for $120 from RTG parts.
Probably 7-8 years ago now. It’s crazy how nothing ever gets cheaper.
The wide handguard - especially when it's ventilated is GOOOOD. I did the work myself as the real slotted thing is unavailable to the extreme.
The bi-pod is also very useful, so change it asap.
Can you go into detail on this? I have a wide handguard coming in !
@@TheTyler701 - Sorry for the delay answering you - my bad. I measured by look the slots and their pitches - using a 1/4" endcutter I used my adjustable vice on my drill press and removed the plastic and aluminum underneath. It was a slow process. Is there any way I can send a few pics of mine?
I bought the C91 handguard but I did the work on my C93 myself.
The biggest advantage: Installing the bipod...
AC Unity makes a good wide handguard reproduction. $70 on RTG parts. It does have a weird texturing the real HK ones don't though.
Wide hand guard looks better, and has bracket for bi-pod. Clip on the side is for if you have the 3 point sling. My PTR had that crummy black plastic hand guard, and I didn't like it. I think PTR should have gone the extra mile and made or contracted to make the wide hand guard to save us end users the hassle of having to "complete" the look and utility of an otherwise outstanding rifle. Good Video!
I agree. The wide handguard couldn't have costed much more to make
I got mine when they were not that bad priced. Also got a HK93 trigger housing. Also got the bi pod for it. I Have a carry handle but it won't work with a scope so it's a no go.
Meanwhile I just snagged myself a PTR and can't even find the wide handguards anywhere online lol
Yeah man, unfortunately they're super hard to find. Keep an eye on Atlantic Firearm's website, they get some in from time to time
Punch in ptr 91 tri rail on Google / I just got one works great / tri picatinny rail with stubby grip and bipod in same package , runs about 80 / 90 bucks
Robertrtg has them in black for like $80 as of 4/23/22..brand is AC-Unity. RKSUSA might have them, but wouldn't recommend them...I've been waiting for almost 8 months to have it delivered ...
The original CETME Modelo 1 (The grandpa to the g3) didn't even have handguards, just a steel bipod that folded up and doubled as a "handguard." Back then they just figured men should suck it up and get burnt. I have the narrow wooden handguards from the early '60's and I've never had any issues with the heat, I can see why the guards got bigger though.
Yeah lol, after putting 2 mags through mine, I couldn't touch it without insulated handguards! Even the Rhodesians had to put some wood padding on their original handguards! Thanks for watching
I enjoy the wide handguards for the look and their ability to use both Versa pod mounts and the HK style of bipods. There used to be Turkish/pof bipods readily available but they are now double the price. Fairly flimsy too. If so had to do it over starting off NOW 2023, I’d honestly go the wide handguard from AC unity and I’d get a Versa pod adapter that fits on the handguard.
That sounds like the best option in today's market. I wasn't even aware that AC unity made G3 handguards. I would love it if Magpul did! A zhukov like G3 handguard would be perfect!
Thought about taking a slim handguard and dremeling out some of those little slots to add some heat dissipation. Not sure if it’s worth the effort but since the surplus slims are so cheap I figure I’ll give it a shot.
Now that you mention it, I'm pretty interested in hearing how that turned out. If it worked, I may try it myself
Tri rail picatinny with stubby grip and bipod in same package runs about 80 / 90 bucks and way better for keeping barrel cooled down & options / but if your going for that old school look wide hand gaurd is the way to go 👍
The hole gun is worth it this is the closest us American citizens today are going to get a HK91/G3 rifle.thanks to your President Bush that Ban all kinds of nice rifles
the wide one keeps you from burning your hand on the trunnion part of the frame and you can mount the hk bipod on it
I bought a "new" CETME C308 for 7 Benjamin's which has the same PTR "Navy" polymer lower and kept the furniture. Scratches my G3/1960's African mercenary/Cold War itch for me. Some guys try to turn theirs into an HK, not me. The Spanish CETME is the original OG. Old school is more cool! :D
The way you smack your jaws is exhausting, gigidy 😢
I bought a wide handguard. Looks cool but its heavy AF so I switched back to the slim.
Can't blame you there. They are heavy and bulky and the slim definitely is more svelt.
I wonder if the longer handguard interferes with shell ejection (per ejects the spent shells forward). It seems pretty close to the ejection port. That would be a serious consideration.
Not at all, not even a little. Mostly it keeps your support hand off the hot receiver.
Why did you change out that butt plate. I got a ptr32 recently and the butt plate is not set flush with the stock. I’ll probably change out the whole stock. Those slim hand guards are terrible. Agree. Looking for some surplus wood furniture. Crazy expensive I know but looks cool. Best. H
i got wood grip and stock , forend on mine . they are the way to go for heat and looks . but good luck finding a nice set cheap ! cetme wood will work but they are getting hard to find in anything but bad shape now . the little 'clip' on the stock is for a sling . if you think it gets hot now try one in full auto ! lol . got to shoot a real g3 in the army back in the early 80's . wasn't as bad to control as some say it is . far better then the m14 is ! but that damn collapsible stock got my shoulder bigtime ! found out why it's called the ' meat grinder ' ! lol
I can imagine the A3 stock would be brutal in full auto! I've never shot an A3 stock on a G3 but I have on an MP5 and it didn't hurt my shoulder but I did have to grind my cheek down into the metal arm to see the sights!
What’s better than a g3 hand guard? The fal. What’s better than the fal hand guard? The rifle length magpul handgaurd. The past present and future have been ruled by the m16. And in a sense the aug
Interesting!
Thanks! I appreciate that.
Con: Can't accessorize ur gun like a mlok or quad rail handguards.
Pro: Makes your rifle looks like the counter strike auto sniper
I came accross the ptr at my local Rural King & instantly fell in love however, Due to bills, I could not afford it at this time. Just now, I went to RK's website so that I could have the exact nomenclature for the exact model # however, this time I typed in PTR IN RK'S SEARCH BAR & EVERY PTR POPPED UP! I was unaware of their massive selection! If you had it all to do again, which model would you go with? The 16" or 18" They have the 9mm versions but, I want a .308!!! Idk which one is best out of the different models of .308?
If I had to do it all over again I'd probably go with the G.I. R. It has the steel lower, classic parkerized finish and a rail too. Or just the GI model. Either model, I'd take an 18" barrel over the 16" barrel. The one I have, the A3S has a "match grade" barrel and shoots better than 2 MOA with ball ammo but I wish it came with the steel lower rather than the polymer one. I think either way, you'll love whatever you get.
Definitely recommend getting an HK sight tool, they're cheap and a must have for elevation adjustments on the sights.
Just picked up the AC-Unity wide handguard from rtg. Only in stock in black, but I rattle canned it. Taking it shooting soon, interested to see how it handles the heat over the slim one.
Do let me know how it does for you, I'm interested in that one.
@@blue_ridge_shooting7668 Will do, plan on running about 150 rounds this upcoming weekend.
@@blue_ridge_shooting7668 update: Yeah that handguard works great. Mag dumped a couple mags, could handle the rifle with no gloves the whole time. I would highly recommend the AC-Unity to anyone looking for the wide handguard.
Any news?
@@MisterNineEleven It works fine. It's a bit bigger and has different texture than thr original HK wide handguards. I was able to buy an original HK wide green handguard so I have that on my rifle at the moment. The AC-Unity one is good of you don't want to source a HK one. Handles the heat much better than the slim ones, if that's what you plan on replacing. I usually shoot 100-150 rds in any session. 308 is still kinda pricey, brass at least.
I got a wood stock and hand guard it got untouchable by 70 rounds by 80 it was smoking
Wanna know how I made a heat shield for my black slim handguard? I just lined it with Aluminum foil XD
Yep.... an 8th of a cheap roll of standard kitchen Aluminum foil and now I have a good heat shield/sink.
Good
Question....???
What type of SLING are you using ?
Thank you.
That's a basically Magpul ms1 sling. The front has an HK clip and the rear is just looped through the sling loop on the stock.
@@blue_ridge_shooting7668
Appreciate this Information.
Thank you for your VIDEOS....!
I have the black wide hand guards much better ..better ergo and heat resistance..do buy the a4 folding but stock …sucks …..I think the wide look .looks better kinda retro
Anyone know where I can buy a wide handguard like this?
Second hand market is your best bet. They pop up for sale from time to time on Atlantic firearms as well
@@blue_ridge_shooting7668 I found one it’s says it fits a 16 inch barrel, this sounds stupid but would it fit a 18 inch barrel? Cause I have layaway on a 18 inch Ptr 91 and I don’t want to buy this hk 91 handguard and for it to not fit.
@@marcelosauceda8458 I can't say for sure but that sounds like an HK33 handguard, made for the 5.56 rifles. If it's made for the 5.56 16" barrel rifles it will not fit on the 18" PTR-91's
@@blue_ridge_shooting7668 oh cause it was a hk 33 handguard. Was the the original hk 91 a 16 or 18?
@@marcelosauceda8458 hk91/G3 pattern rifles are almost always 18" barrels. Some have 16" barrels but still have the front sight at the same place so the same handguard fits.
Aaaaand they’re gone.
Wide handguard feels bulky and clunky... not sure why everyone is obsessed with them. They were a civilian export thing not a military thing.
I don't burn my hand with my wide handguard like my slim used to
no point without the bipod
Better heat dissipation in my personal experience