The Battle of Tinchebray 1106 AD
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With allies like Robert of Belleme, who needs enemies
ELBuAR7o "They've engaged all of their units and have their flanks open, what should we do?"
"Retreat!"
@@axelandersson6314 indeed, counter envelopment is so awesome
Brave Sir Robert ran away.
Bravely ran away away.
When danger reared it's ugly head,
He bravely turned his tail and fled.
Yes, brave Sir Robert turned about
And gallantly he chickened out.
There's a pretty good reason that strategy games won't have your soldiers randomly decide to betray you when you're in a pitched battle; it would be pretty frickin' awful gameplay.
But imagine if a game did that. Imagine playing Total War, and at the moment of crisis during an engagement, all of the troops you were keeping in reserve to guard the flanks just up and leave. The feeling of betrayal and shock would be akin to what Robert surely felt that day when other Robert turned back and left.
I don't even think Crusader Kings lets you do that, and that sounds like the kind of game where it would be encouraged.
@@resileaf9501 In Medieval 2 when you go to battle with several armies, sometimes it appears a message saying something like "allies failed to show up" and you are on your own. But at least you know it at the beginning of the battle.
"His strongest and most loyal ally"
Yea because thats never gone wrong before
That's "most important ally," especially when that ally turns out to be a quisling who cost Robert Curthose everything.
Maybe he was bribed by Henry. Is there any historical record in that direction?
Strongest and most loyal ally. Sounds Italian to me
israel. "greatest ally"
🙄
As soon as he said that I knew he would betray him.
Ah, the good old Hunting Accident
TheMerkur11 "Sorrow overtakes you..."
"It's not my fault that he looked like a boar"-his assassin maybe.
-1 stability
"oof"
Yeah it was definitely an assassination because they didnt even bother to take his body out of the woods.
He fell off his horse onto an arrow!
Henry being present when William was "accidentally" shot during hunting, hence being the immediate successor? It's one the most medieval scenario I've ever known
"Leave the bow. Take the English muffins."
And It also happened when his other brother wasn't around, yep an accident
William is Epstein of 12th Century
🤔 brother why carnt i use a bow again?
Yeah bribe/threaten everyone present to declare it as an accident. Easy peasy.
“William didn’t die in a hunting accident” was the 1100s version of “Epstein didn’t kill himself”
Lol
Maybe it will be ruled an Arkancide?
He probably did but I think a more accurate way to go about that topic is the fact he was put on suicide watch before trying to kill himself the first time and it still happened. Suspecting foul play in something shady enough doesn't cross me as doddering insanity. Seems to be that he was probably naming names if so, we DO live in the age where everything that was tinfoil 10 years ago is now on the table for discussion by everyone, an age wher Epstein Island on google satellite maps has a tennis court slapped on with some wonky photoshop skills, but on Bing maps is a worn down, square structure that looks like an aging missile silo. People that don't want to hear anything or like to argue for argument sake really should shove off.
I think the biggest problem about politics is people take it at face value when you can be a much more neckbeardy type that levitates above all else by simply attributing it to all 1,000s of years of recorded history. I mean if you really try to take history from as far back as you study today, it becomes much less difficult in my opinion.
And i did go for a pizza!?!
@@MrDeadSignal He probably didn't. An immate that literally complained about being almost murdered, found with wounds on his neck a week before his death, in a high profile case that possibly involved several political elites from all over the world, in max security prison, while being monitored 24/7 and planning to make a deal. Seriously? Then the case gets fucking shelved to add insult to injury. There's conspiracy theories and there's a blatant cover-up.
Robert's last words: God dammit Robert.
"Never trust a guy named Robert!!! Wait a minute...."
He didn't die tho. He just was held prisoner for the rest of his life.
@@XSilverXEclipseX which is worse than death
@@hircine92h Probably not. I'm not entirely sure. But he would have probably been given certain privileges for being royalty.
Henry being conveniently present at his brothers "hunting accident." His whole reign sounds like a very interesting game of crusader kings 2.
Thought the same thing. Way too many things aligned there for Rufus' death to be a genuine accident.
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Yes, but as the HRE I would have come and removed Henry from the throne and put Robert on instead. Henry is that snake of a family member no one likes.
@@connorlee1999 But he's the more competent brother so it's all fair enough.
"One less threat to the establishment."
Robert: leaves
Other Robert: ;-;
"Brave sir Robert ran away..."
"When danger reared its ugly head
"He bravely turned his tail and fled!"
"Yes, brave Sir Robert turned about
And gallantly he chickened out."
''A king has no friends. A king has only followers and foe.''
- Falstaff
I always assume the one with the more high quality picture is going to win
Well, the higher*** quality picture is probably the one with more prestige and success, hence the one that is likely to win.
There's a reason to do that, of course. Those with little lasting impact on history generally have little lasting artwork made for them.
Same but didn't work this time...
🤔 this actually makes sense
For some people there’s no picture
“I’m dead bro.”
-King William Rufus to his bro, some time after his death
Chris truly sorrowful
pretty impressive he could still talk "some time after his death"!
@@mikespearwood3914 undead king?
Robert of Belleme: "Ight imma head out"
gg I am afk
typical french
@@utherlightbringer3868 they all French
@@Alvaro89Rus not really cause they are normans but that belleme guy is typical french
gtfo
Incredibly, two nobles who fought for Henry in this battle (Robert de Beaumont and William d'Evreux) also fought at the Battle of Hastings, 40 years earlier!
Are you sure they weren't juniors?
Are you serious? God history is awesome.
Robert: Yeah I see I could make a rather noticeable impact and entrap the flanking cav but ehhh nah
He most likely preferred William as a lord rather than Robert, as William did not punish him like he did to the other vassals of Robert. It was a matter of William giving him an excuse to switch sides.
My bad, Henry and not William! Damn de Normandy names!
@@milesdavis607 they are rather distinct wtf
If I had a die with all the names of English Kings I'd have a greater chance hitting a William or a Henry... I mean the second in line to the Throne is Prince W_____m. I'll let you fill it in :)
@@milesdavis607 So you attempt a deft defense for utter stupidity by pointing out how stupid you are? It doesn't work like that.
Which is why the King commands the reserve. The reserve should have been his most loyal troops and not the troops of an allied commander. That's a pretty rookie mistake for such an experienced fighter as Robert.
well when you consider someone like your best friend and ally you dont think he will betray you.. thats irl lesson
Crusade is different from international war, his mistake was thinking "oh its just like a crusade"
Not really. When the king commands the strike force, it means he wants a quick victory. He only takes to the reserves when he plans a longer battle.
What do you think gives the troops more morale: knowing their king is among them or watching the king back far away upon the hill sipping on a cup of tea?
Robert became a warrior and not an army commander the minute he became locally engaged. He was unable to see the flank attack develop because he was too close to the action. If he'd been with the reserves and allowing his local commanders to handle the situation on the front line, he'd have been able to see the threat and thwart it before it fully developed. Plus, his subordinate would have been heartened by having his counterattack ordered while it had a chance for sweeping success and not so late as to be a suicide charge and unable to turn the tide.
Situational awareness on the battlefield is of the utmost importance to an army commander.
"men, horses, steel, and violence"
That's what I'm here for
That quote sent shivers down my spine
the middle ages in a nutshell
Men, horses, steel and violence is what you're here for... watching from your dry desk sitting in your warm home.
u forgot watching squares smash each other
@@neessie1 lol
Tinchebray still exists, it’s about 20 miles south of where I live. I have successfully conquered a small area of Basse Normandie for England, namely the house and garden I bought here in 1990, and it’s very nice too!
Interested to learn of this battle. It’s always useful to have victories up ones sleeve, even if it was basically Normans fighting each other....
Brave Sir Robert ran away.
Bravely ran away away.
When danger reared it's ugly head,
He bravely turned his tail and fled.
Yes, brave Sir Robert turned about
And gallantly he chickened out.
Swiftly taking to his feet,
He beat a very brave retreat.
Bravest of the brave, Sir Robert!
William the Conquerer’s family really put the feud in feudalism.
On the other hand, he also outlawed slavery on English soil. Now, you might not think that Feudalism was much better, but at least men DID get paid, no matter how little. Probably this was more to benefit himself for some reason, but as slavery was the natural state of the World since before recorded History, this was a VERY unique Law.
This is probably one reason why Britain was the FIRST Country EVER to outlaw slavery as a natural way of being. ANY slave which put foot on British soil was instantly declared free.
They were the sons of a magnificent bastard.
@@gmat5046 hey uncool
@@ruthlessgaming3869 You don't think he was magnificent?
@@gmat5046 lol of cause he was magnificent it was an oversimplified reference lol
All the periods involving strong Norman presence and the early days of knight hood are among my favorite times in history. Thanks for the great upload!
“What one should really fear is not a competent enemy, but an incompetent ally”
Who else was on the edge of their seat like “nooooo😱😱😱” when the other Robert pulled out ??!
I screamed " ohhhh, hell nooo!"
i saw that the blocks hadn't started moving and i was like "are they not going to engage"
then they started pulling and i was like "no wtf is wrong with you people"
I literally exclaimed "you asshole!" when I saw that.
KidtheBilly I was so hype for Robert cause he was putting up a great battle only to lose like that 🤦🏻♂️
He had really bad luck.
At first, his younger brother betrayed him and just took his throne while he was in the middle east. Then he actually agreed to give the throne away and make a peace treaty, but was betrayed by his brother once again, who invaded his Duchy with no provocation. And finally, when he actually went into battle, more then half of his army just turned away for no real reason.
He was really f*cked by history :(
Just went and looked up about this Edgar Aetheling. He had such an amazing story. Travelled to Scotland, Hungary, Italy, fought many wars, was in the varangian guard and may have even been at the first Crusade. Hope you can cover him in the future!!!
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"Though not of particularly pleasant appearance"
Oof
In an era of Little to no cleaning,not modern medicine or dentist imagine how ugly you must be to be part of your biography.
F
Jj Gf “In an era of little to no cleaning". Not true, actually. It’s another misconception. Medieval people didn't understand germs, but they did understand cleanliness.
@@jjgf8412 People washed more in the medieval period than during the later "Age Of Enlightenment".
ok peasant
The moral of the story: pick and choose your friends wisely
Moral of the story: Seize the throne as quickly as possible
The moral is to command the reserve line yourself and force the likes of Robert of Bellend to charge with the first line.
moral of the story: if it's important, do it yourself..
@SilentwarH Sad to see Curthose reduced to this end; he was such a badass in the First Crusade.
Moral of the story is- Be a time traveller, because hindsight is 20/20.
Such betrayal always turns my stomach and gives me an ice cold feeling.
Reminds of how Andronikos Doukas betrayed Romanos Diogenes at the
Battle of Manzikert. That felt like receiving a slowly penetrating backstab
of an ice cold ghost dagger between the shoulder blades. Nothing is
worse than betrayal.
Man, that's a pretty tragic and undeserved fate for a crusader like Robert.
He fought for the glory of his God and his God left him high and dry.... lol good falla that God... lol
@@Ajax-the-other-one well if his god is real he will be forever by his side while youre going to be forever in hell...
Better hope his god isnt real XD
God was with the English etc that day for a reason I suspect . The English are a warrior nation just look at it's history but for some pathetic reason people don't want to believe this fact .
@@vampirecount3880 If his God is real.... lol
his god is not real...
Nor is your one Mr high and mighty 'your going to hell'... even if all that is true and you are right which your not, what a thing to say, I'm pretty sure your 'god' would send you straight down next to me... lol look forward to seeing you friend
@@Ajax-the-other-one I dont have a god, but it would be fun to spend eternity together with you in hell
Great as always! I really wish u could focus in a serie like u did with Alexander or the first crusade.
Lived un Normandy all my life, can’t be more enthousiastic about a subject for your videos !
My favorite historical channel is simple, direct, and most of all measured. Love what you guys do. Thank you!
"William Rufus was not the first of his family to lose his life while hunting in the new forest. Some thirty years earlier, his older brother Richard also died by accident in the exact same forest."
Oh what an unfortunate coincidence. So many *accidents* happen in that forest, it's almost as if there might be a pattern to it. I'm just sayin', it's obviously Deer People notching those stray arrows
Those dam New Forest deer shoot back.
Mmmh maybe Henry killed William and Richard if so that means he would have killed 2 of his brothers and imprisoned one an till his death now thats an ambitious kin slayer took out all three of his older brothers one by one.
@@ruthlessgaming3869 Richard died way too early to be killed by Henry. There is a version William wanted Richard to be his heir instead of Robert and toddler William Jr, so who knows what really happened.
@@clucknbell4613do you mean William the Conqueror
@@ruthlessgaming3869 yeah
BazBattles, Kings and Generals, and Invictus always has battles I have never heard of. I love you guys!
This has to be what George. R. R. Martin based Robert Baratheon’s death on
Drogo's death was based on Genghis Khan's, and Jon Snow's was based on Ceasar (see Historia Civilis
video on the assassination.)
@@R3GARnator reading your comment made me stupider. congratulations
@@R3GARnator "see Historia Civilis video on the assassination" lol why, it's already one of the most famous moments in history, we don't need some pop-history CZcamsr to tell people about it.
hunting accidents happen a lot, even Henry VIII nearly fell off his horse when he heard Anne Boleyn had given birth to a boy (unfortunately it was stillborn). Even Tolkien names Folca of Rohan as being gored by a wild boar while on a hunt.
@@EndOfSmallSanctuary97 I don't know what that guy is talking about, but Historia Civilis is an amazing channel. You should really check it out.
These are really well done! Narrator has a great voice for it the detail is good the only thing that would be better and I personally think it would make these GREAT is if the units were marked it just gives it a deeper understating of the whole thing! Keep up the good work!
"It's late June, of the year 1106...." Baz just teases me and I love it.
I get so excited when I see a new one of these is posted.
Well, I guess now I know, where George R. R. Martin got the idea for the storyline around Stannis and Renly.
Sort of, though Robert Curthose is more of a Robert Baratheon. The man seriously had like 20 bastards.
History is always more entertaining
Exactly!
The History of the Seven Kingdoms!!!
Nah, the history of all the kingdoms. Real life is always better.
Clearly, Robert (William) dies hunting. His youngest brother Renly (Henry), who is present there, ceases power in the stormlands (England), while the other brother is on Dragonstone (on crusade).
Hack even the names are similar
Both stories feature a Robert, and Renly resembles Henry.
I literally saw all videos on this channel. It is just so very well made and interesting.
Another great video! My ancestors are from England, then Normandy and further back Scandinavia. Normandy has interested me immensely do to it’s military events over the years and the video was an amazing glimpse into them!
There is nothing quite as pleasing to the American ear than an Englishman narrating a storyline.
This is a very nicely done video. Logical, linear narration, with clear, easy to follow graphics. The script gets to the point, following no rabbit trails. I am going to watch for more presentations by BazBattles.
Frankly, I am quite vague on the history of England before the advent of the United Kingdom. This video helped me get a start on filling in some gaps.
Oh, and William's hunting accident was no accident. (Grin!)
5 minutes in
"oh cool i was reading the comments so now i can rewatch"
Very good context and visualisation as always!
Good to see you making videos again, Baz.
Thank all that is holy. Baz battles is finally back. Keep it up peeps. You guys are awesome
Great visual information in this vid, top stuff
Thanks for a wonderful video!
Fascinating video, thanks guys!
Edgar Ætheling's dramatic life also deserves an episode.
Now I am dying to know what happened to Robert of Belleme! His decision was a game-changer, but did it pay off for him in the long run and what happened after the battle?
Hopefully he was shamed by his peers for the rest of his days.
I looked it up. I won't spoil it LMAO... it looks like we'll find out in the sequel to this one. lol
@@MarkVrem Awww but I WANNA spoil it....... fine, have it your way.
Prayne de crabug ahme keinke reindeer beyogt igloo kes gron.
He raided the Castle of Aaargh but failed and was repulsed by the French mocking knights on the wall , much fecies was thrown
You make me smile everytime I get a notification about your channel(:
Another great video about medieval history and the battle
Good video. Appreciate your time and effort.
I was just thinking about when the next Bazz battle video would be up and the first video i see was your haha life is great.
Amazing video like always!
Robert de Belleme: I can clearly see that if I intervene I will decisively turn the tide of the battle. Nope, I'm out of here.
Always a good day with a BazBattles video
Loved it. Can't wait for the next.
The story of a Warrior/Commander vs a Strategist/Administrator.
As always ... BazBattles one of the best in presentation and narration.
Is Count Robert of Belleme, where the English insult "Bell-end" came from?
Good question. Though the term bellend is used to refer to the tip of a penis. At least in England. As a bell bears a striking resemblance to the tip of a knob.
@@Jin-Ro So, Nilfgaard then?
Dang Baz, I admittedly don't watch everything as it comes out, but it's great to see how you went from really good videos to great ones. More history education should be this engaging.
any creator who adds the ads at the end of the vid is a creator to be respected..
great job mate and thanks
Great job as always
another informative and well put togther video sir
It is a good day indeed when Baz post anouther video 👍
Many of Henry's army were Anglo-saxons who felt this battle went some way to avenging Hastings (some 40yrs prior to Tinchebary).
Revisiting this video again after playing the Tinchebray mission in Age of Empires IV!
Love your vids and like the others I formerly request a BTS , keep up the good work
Robert Curthose was imprisoned by his brother Henry for the last twenty eight years of his life. For the last eight of those he was held in the old wooden Keep of Cardiff Castle where he died in 1134 at the age of around eighty three which was a phenomonal age for that period in history. His tomb is in Gloucester Cathedral.
My grand parent live just next to this town (I'm french) and I never heard of this battle . Thanks man .
Great video as usually!
Sengoku jidai soon? Anyway great episode! Thrilling to the end!
Omg yes a new video! I wasn't early but atleast this made my day :D
Thanks for all the great content. Very much enjoy the history of medieval warfare, and the occasional ASOIAF video too! Would love to see the Falklands War one day.
Love your videos @BazBattles! Have you ever considered doing more fictional coverage? Such as battles from Elder Scrolls or Warhammer Fantasy?
This battle has much more in common with the great battles of the 14th and 15th centuries, like Poitiers, where the Infantry held out against the knightly cavalry until their own cavalry counter attacked.
Your videos keep me interested in history
Great video, as always.
"OOPS!!" Said Henry, as he let fly that errant arrow, while hunting with dear Bro Henry Rufus....OOPS!! lol
So hype for this video!
I wish we get more content from this channel I fucken love your videos
you make the best videos about history
Excellent cartography sir
Omg! A new BazBattles! Hell yeah!
Robert of Belleme: "Okay, let's stay so far back we couldn't even intercept any flanking infantry, nevermind flanking cavalry"
Wow, the quality of the videos have increased a lot since you've began doing this
Great timing. A quick video then I'm off to work.
I love seeing the infantry squares crack and break up into bits
Best narrator ever!
love your videos.
Nice video, please do more about WW2, the napoleonic wars and the German wars from 1864 to 1870
best channel not gonna lie
Dang it, and here I was thinking that a Robert would make a good ally for a Robert.
What do all the unit markers mean? I think half and half rectangles are some number of Calvary, and boxes with Xs in them are foot soldiers, but what are rectangles with bold lines?
Welcome back!
As a teenager i visited the momument in the forest that marks where the king fell an died.
I'm glad someone marked this. Its like living history in a way.
I love medival battle histories. This is somewhat satisfying and useful.
The vast majority of people who have ever lived knew nothing about this, so exactly how it's "useful" I have no idea. It itsn't.
Wow can't believe I was this early. Good time for my lunch break it seems
Wow, never entered your videos that fast