Horror Films | Anupama Chopra, Rahul Desai, Sucharita Tyagi
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- Our in house critics Anupama Chopra, Rahul Desai and Sucharita Tyagi discuss the genre of horror films and trends that are being followed in the Film Industry from Ramsay Brothers, Ram Gopal Varma to very recently Vikram Bhatt.
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18:45 Just to elaborate on Sucharita's point, sex, especially exploiting female sexuality in horror films has been one of the most intrinsic part the genre from its earlier days in Hollywood. This was partly done for moralistic reasons. Because Horror films were mostly consumed by teenagers and early 20s audience, they would use an oversexualized character - almost always a woman - and then that character would always be the first one die [Black would be the next to die]. By this way, they could associate that behavior automatically something that would lead to and deserves punishment. This sort of portrayal helped a lot of people get away with censorship as most of the jury people would be devout catholic. This trope has now almost diminished. One of the better horror films 'It Follows' pays homage to this trope by having a teenage girl in hot-pants and high heels, scared to death, running away from some unknown entity. Whereas 'Cabin in the Wood', a fantastic chamber-meta-horror film outright calls out on this and many other such tropes.
We have been using that trope since Ramsay brother's days and haven't evolved at all. But which genre have we evolved in for that matter?
Cinema Beyond Entertainment Vinit go to your channel😂😂😂😂.....Do a video essay.
@Narendra Sharma - HAHAHA! Sorry Shaktiman! :D
+Cinema Beyond Entertainment If you wouldn't mind can I ask what have your struggles been and still are in the Film Industry? And I'd love to know if you've made any short films and where I can see them. Moreover I'd really like to know what are your thoughts about short films in general and if you had to give some advice who also wants to do similar work then what would it be. Alot of questions, I apologise.
Thanks Vineet.
@One man crew productions - I would love to answer but let's not deflect from the point of discussion for this thread. I can answer your questions on my channel.
+Cinema Beyond Entertainment Sure thing. Thanks for the prompt response though.
Weird to see Sucharita not photoshopped into a movie poster in the thumbnail
People impressed with Vidya and Bhool Bhulayya should give the original Malayalam version "Manichithrathaazhu" a chance. Shobhana, plays the female lead, and Vidya pales in comparison with her. Shobhana even bagged that year's National Award for her performance for that character 'Nagavally'. 'Manichithrathaazhu' and 'Nagavally' still remains one of Malayalam's most iconic ever and has taken it's permanent place in Malayalam culture.
Stephen Anna Marydas in original movie the actress was over acting.
Beg to differ, but again she won the national award for the best actress award that year (and again in 2002 for a different film) so I am not the only one who thinks she was good. And I have read the director of that movie, Fazil, saying that many shots of her possessed scenes in the climax where captured when they were taking breaks in between shots because she was in character all the time. And remember original movie came out in 1993 and Hindi version in 2007. That time gap should be considered when evaluating the two movies and performances.
Stephen Anna Marydas couldn’t have agreed more. she gave an amazing performance in an amazing movie.
You all forgot to mention MAKDEE!! Vishal Bhardhwaj's beautiful children's horror film.
Yes I remember it as my first horror movie it gave me the chills in childhood
should have mentioned 13 B, n 404 error not found. they r truely scary
Justin Rodrigues 13B is very underrated but it's more thrilling than horror.
these 3 probably never heard of this true gem of movies.
I found 404 error not found very thrilling movie,But 13 b is also very good.
Also Raat starring Revathy
I really like this new segment which has started from new year and would love to watch more genres being disscused with these three people...
There is no need to worry if there are no more good horror movies in Bollywood.
If you are an open minded progressive Indian, watch 90's mainstream movies. You will be horrified.
If you are a conservative traditional Indian, watch Grand Masti series. You will be horrified.
LOL!! Best comment so far.
If you guys had watched Aval/The House Next Door in Hindi or Maya, both Tamil movies, your opinion would change! Genuinely intelligent horror! Demonte Colony to some extent and Pizza!
Raghavendra Chivukula As Siddharth pointed out on Twitter, they are frogs stuck in a well. Even foreign Bloggers are aware of Indian Cinema, not just Bollywood.
Maya is a great horror movie...!!!
True.. it was a good horror movie .. very good jumpscares and good story
aval is trash ......maya, pizza is a gud one
404 error not found is a hidden gem in the annals of hindi cinema. You guys should check it out. All the performances are also top notch
Phobia was one of the best horror, psychological thriller movies in this decade! The idea is so abstract that it shuts you up and re think about what constitutes a horror movie. It breaks genres. Path breaking movie.
"tum porno se rituporno ho gai" man,ekta kapoor is a genius.
vijay rathore what is rituporno
Mr. Ar rituporno ghosh was a famous bengali director famous,died 3-4 years ago.
Anyone saw 'aapbeeti' on doordarshan. Every episode used to have the same plot line.. That was my exposure to horror
aryan tiwari no one can come close to aap beeti,its masterpiece
No mention of Blair Witch Project, that popularized the whole found-footage genre?! Paranormal Activity came afterwards..
it was a good one but not classy...
Nope cannibal holocaust that really inspired all of the later found footage genre
@@isreeman2582 are u for real Blair with project feels so real it was even marketed that way
Horror and sex have always been mixed together by Hollywood filmmakers from the olden times. Don't always blame Indian filmmakers for everything. Bad horror films are everywhere. Take a ratio of good and bad horror films from Hollywood and it won't be any different from the ratio back here. The reason why Indian cinema doesn't make too many horror films is that India has never been a genre-centric industry. The filmmakers & audience in India are used to blending various genres into one; Masala as you guys call it. We have our own way of making & enjoying films; cant imitate Hollywood all the time.
Loved to hear you guys just talk about horror in Hindi films. I like this format.
Nalin Nanda bhoot, phoonk, raaz 2, and vaastu shastra are good horror films
I don't think Hindi cinema has good horror films compared to films made in South. Even RGV made his best horror films in Telugu in 90s. Bhool Bhulaiyaa is the worst remake of Manichitrathazhu. I've not seen one decent horror film in Hindi except for RGV's Bhooth which also i think is inferior to his Telugu films Dheyyam and Ratri.
Praneeth Raatri was good. It was made in Hindi too called 'Raat'.I have picked it as one of the best Indian horror movie.
13b? The House next door? They are some of the best Indian horror movies in the recent times.
Just because you had mentioned ‘Hound of the Baskervilles’, I had read it as a kid and it gave me sleepless nights for so long. My mind image of a hugely sized dog with phosphorus glow allover still stays there!.
Watch 'The House Next Door', it really pushed the boundaries of Indian horror cinema.
I like 13B
Ila Das dude that movie is amazingly underrated
I rate it very high
But unfortunately it came at the time of recession and no one as saw it an dforgot it eventually....
Had it released today it could've been a potential game changer for Horror films in Bollywood....
However Bollywood should learn from regional films on how to make Horror movies....
Me too
Just lovely you guys. I have been following FC since the start ('KICK REVIEW') and it's like food for a BEINTEHAAN cinema lover or a person who wants to make a career out of it. Especially Let's talk movies is an amazing addition. Kudos..
How has anupama not seen Get Out? It was one of the best films of 2017. Stunning movie.
I really love these conversations, feels like you guys are in my drawing room and we are all discussing.. :)
Raat (1992) scared the s**t out of me when I first saw it. It was really good
Loving these discussion videos. More of these please!!
just surprised, they have not mentioned Polanski's "Rosemary's Baby", Satyajit Ray's "Monihara", Kim Jee Woon's "A Tale of Two Sisters" and may be an honorable mention to Shyamalam's "The Sixth Sense". And they called themselves, film buff
This was just wow 👍 plz make more episodes like this.. Part 2/3/4 .. Also thanks alot for mentioning kannada movie "U-TURN" it's a magnificent movie.
Why is Suchitra even present in this interview..? She Doesn’t watch horror movies.. finds up questions from Wikipedia.. doesn’t even watch stranger things/ GOT.. not criticising.. just that she has no business discussing here
my favourite horror movies:
1.the babadook
2.the others
3.it follows
4.oculus
5.the gift
6.sinister
7.mulholland drive(it's one of my most favourite movies of all time.i am only keeping it at no. 7 bcoz some people don't accept it as a horror flick)
8.it
9.conjuring series
10.insidious series
considering the recent horror films in bwood, I really hope that Pari sets the bar high... though it will not be a typical "ghosty" film
Loved your discussion. Can you do a discussion on Film noir genre.
11:31 Sucharita: WTF am I doing here?!
You guys forgot to mention a very classic modern horror film : '404: Error not found' (2011) by Prawal Raman
Interesting chat!!!
Love the discussion! But please try to do something about the sound. I had so much trouble understanding you all. Also, I guess I am the only one who overall liked "Ek Thi Daayan". The 2nd half maybe weak but still better than a lot of other Hindi movies in general.
The most recent atmospheric horror movie that really got under my nerves was Hereditary. Not traditionally 'scary' but it was psychologically haunting and inherently creepy with great visual imagery.
Similarly The Babadook, The Witch, mother!, The Killing of a sacred Deer, The Invitation, The Gift - are all examples of psychological horror done right.
When Rahul mentioned U-Turn I felt so proud! You guys should try out Rangitaranga :)
why would you have a person who doesnt watch horror movies on the panel whose biggest selling point is "main to horror movies nahi dekhti.. mujhe darr lagta hai".. they are annoying af. just watch a chick flick or something
You guys should make a comparison video of Bollywood and regional films(not just South but others too Marathi, Bengali, Punjabi,etc)
They should check out some of the horror film of regional cinema like "Bhaagamathie"(Telugu", Shob Bhooturey(Bengali) ,etc
Rahul Ray Bhaagamathi was stupid. Period!
Atleast better than the current Vikram Bhatt movies we get in Bollywood.....
You should perhaps check out "Shob Bhooturey"(Bengali) if you can....
Rahul Ray Check out The House Next Door(It is a tamil - Hindi bilingual). The best Indian horror in the last 5 years
“Porno se Rituporno” gets me every time! 😂😂
Omgosh! The orphanage! I watched that movie as a kid. Couldn't remember the damn name ! Kept searching for it forever! Thank you for mentioning it here!!!
What about "stree" of Rajkumar Rao?
Such a shame that they don't mention 13B which is perhaps India's best horror film, ever! Also, films like You're Next, The Invitation, Sinister, It Comes At Night, It Follows and Cabin In The Woods were totally ignored in this conversation! They probably just follow the mainstream Hollywood horrors!
Seriously... One of the reason that I don't want to be a critic, is because then I'll lose my choice of movies I don't want to watch
Phobia!!! Yayyyy!
I clicked the video just because to see whether it's mentioned.
The most underrated GEM of Indian cinema. Love it!!!
Prawal Raman's "Error 404" and Arunaraje's 1980 "Gehrayee" (featuring Anant Nag, A teenaged Padmini Kolhapure and Amrish Puri). The latter has a scene where food in the kitchen turns to cowdung.
Without a superstar bipasha have survived Bollywood and I'm really really proud of her. I hope to see her in good horror movie.
Music plays a huge part in narrative and sales in Indian films, I think they need to find the right balance of having songs that add a tone of creepiness to the film rather than romances. They should explore other relationships like parents-child, siblings or something like IT where it's among kid friendships.
About whom you guys are talking @20:10 ??
I watched Vaastushastra in 2005 Jan. Final year of BTech, in boys hostel; peak winter and hostel was half empty because of a long weekend. It scared the sh*t out of 5 of us. We had to sleep that night together, and next 2 nights with lights on.
Hello guys, you missed 13B. It is an honourable mention I think. The last notable horror movie I saw !!
The House next door?? It is a glimmer of hope in the dark cloud that is hindi horror films. It's available on Netflix, watch it!!!
It's so unfortunate that you'll didn't talked about Aval aka The House Next Door! 😶
Bhool Bhulaiyaa guys come on!
Greatest comedy scenes it has!
And pretty great story with great performances and song's and fashion(That om shirt trend remember?)
that movie is more of a psychological horror infused with comedy.. not straight up generic horror movies
Ya but the word horror doesn't always mean 👻 ghosts, the movie is horrifying so it is the horror genre, right? I may be wrong! Peace ☮️
It was a copy of South....
Bollywood should learn from regional film to make horror movies...
Rahul Ray agreed!!
My next life goal: to see everything that Rahul Desai has seen, I look forward meeting you and discussing movies.
Big shoutout to Rahul for mentioning the Kannada movie "U-turn". A very good suspense-thriller and technically brilliant. Many weren't convinced by the ending but it worked for me.
It is available on Netflix with subtitles. Do watch it.
Wow.. "U Turn" being talked about in this platform is a great high to Kannada Film Industry. Huge shout out to Pawan Kumar. Its actually a must watch!
Omen (Gregory Peck Version) best Hollywood horror film that I have seen.
I agree. Bhool bhulaiya was really scary. And as a 10 year old, when I saw it, it seemed more scary to me at that time.
Can you guys talk about the comedy genre next please? :)
Thanks Rahul for taking name of phobia in this talk. Some horror junkies may watch it just cause of FOMO and end up loving it. Yes indeed Paranormal Activities is the foundation for Ragini MMS 1 but the drive to make that kind of film came from the production house's early success LSD. The climax of the first story on love is indeed horryfying BTW..
what about final destination series?
2:26 jump cut to 7:02
Amazing Continuity Rahul
Are black (Anupama's), white (Sucharita's) and grey (Rahul's) clothes supposed to signify something?
Could you all please do a session and discuss and a breakdown of the movie "Mother directed by Darren Aranofski Starring Jennifer Lawrence"
Anupama chopra discussing movies like a pro!! Such a sweet lady ,no doubt about that but,If I am not an engineer and would be giving a lecture about engineering at a school ..would people still buy it? Why is there no credibility with the people representing indian cinema? One of the true reasons why we make average movies is because majority people(the faces who represent or make the most money) are not trained(qualified enough) ,neither are good at what they do , love for cinema does not come from passion in film making it comes from a family lineage and greed for money and greed for just their own good and their kin's well being)!So to say Bloodlines!!..they just steal content and become famous! hence, become stars..not normal human beings doing their jobs but gods walking amongst humans..with egos the size of continents.and then their sons and daughters..and so on so forth!!
cinema is the real loser here when the face representing it is itself questionable??Imagine the bridges an engineer with faulty degree will make..and now imagine indian cinema!!..although not everyone is like that but i speak for the majority! It is time we take cinema to be a serious art form..a subject as important as engg.or medicine..and create the right opportunities for people to pursue cinema by getting the correct knowledge..required! like the iit s and iims for other subjects and sciences..and I am talking about not the mere 1 or 2 good institutions but rather 1 or 2 in every state of our great country of India..with correct knowledge and discipline we will soon stand out in the world in the field of film making ..but for now it is more like a family business where the real talent rarely gets seen or pushed ..and the majority money goes to cast assholes who clearly belong to (Edit: Film Frat ) families and claim to be outsiders all their lives!!..Have a happy married life Ranveer singh!
There are some good horror movies made in mollywood and tollywood. Aval (tamil) , Anandhabhadram (malayalam). You guys should check it out. Especially anandhabharam by santhosh sivan, in which cinematography was exceptional and also had great performance by manoj k jayan .
The excorist, the omen, and the exorcism of emily rose and the blair witch project...... Cult classic
Good Discussions. But the discussions were mainly on Hindi Movies. Please mention the same in title
Hey there ye Three! I'm a big fan of your FC conversations, being a filmi keeda myself.
Now with the topic of Horror films, and after watching your latest upload, I must concur that Mr. Desai and Ms. Chopra missed out on quite a bit(Ms. Tyagi I shall avoid as she herself confessed to not seen too many horror flicks)
There have been some exceptionally bone chilling scary horror movies to have come out of Bollywood-- maybe lost in the tide of time.
When you guys spoke of RGVs 'Bhoot' as the probably the best horror movies of recent times, here's a little backstory. Post Shiva, RGV made a horror movie called 'Raat' starring Ms. Revathi , Rohini Hattangady, Akash Khurana and Om Puri. The movie did not do all that well in the Hindi Belt (the Ramsay Bros were ruling the boot) Riding upon his sucesss in Bollywood post Rangeela and Satya, RGV then makes Bhoot a cut to cut copy of Raat just replacing the old characters with what Ms Tyagi called 'star studded' and just changed the Exorcist from Om Puri to Rekha and a twist with Fardeen Khan's character,
Now, if you really want to see a good horror movie-- this one is a classic, and I remember seeing it on DD back in the days and being scared out of my wits. The 1981 supernaturaal thriller 'Gehrayee' strarring a very young Padmini Kolhapure amidst a cast featuring Anant Nag and the legendary Dr. Shreeram Lagoo based on a script by Vijay Tendulkar and Aruna Raje.The scene where the spirit possesses padmini to a very young Amrish Puri in a fantastic cameo as a Tantrik wanting to sacrifice the possessed girl to gain powers (one of the scariest scenes as he performs the rutiral in a crematorium) and the final scene where Anant Nag is led through a forest of spirits as he goes to find out who was responsible for putting the spirit in his sister and even the exorcism scene done without the shouts of frantic baba's makes Gehrayee on the scariest Supernatural films in Bollywood--just camera work and the sound.
And there are many more that can go on and on..
Strangely, the Horror genre (as mentioned in you upload) truly is stuck with a few crappy film makers such as Vikram Bhatt, which are doing nothing but just repeating the same formula over and over again. Sad. Particularly when our culture in endowed with everything from chudails, dayans, aatma's Djinns (in one religion).and compare that to Hollwwood which only has Witches. Oh there is so much to talk about.
Speaking of Hollywood William Peter Blatty's 'The Exorcist' remains my favorite.
However, Ms. Chopra, kudos for the brilliant work. Mr.Desai and Ms,Tyagi, your comments on cinema are very entertaining. Keep up the good work.
They forgot sidharth's "the house nextdoor" released last year... It was scary ...!!!!
i know this is a movie discussion... but what you do you think about stranger things?... the built up and the suspense and the scary noises
I agree Bhoot was really scary. And especially the scene where the bhoot Manjeet is first seen. I screamed in the movie hall and they switched on the light the entire time after. 😛
How come no mention of rgvs raat?? It was a classic
Sucharita has no clue about what's going on... Ha ha
How come no mention of Raath by RGV, his first horror movie & the best.
Audio quality has to be better guys! I could hardly hear Anupama Chopra.
please talk about this movie looks so amazing .
Also there is interesting stuff made in the genre of horror comedies! I loved the Scary movie franchise! it's fun! Also please do check out a Bengali film called Bhooter Bhobhishyot...One of the wittiest horror comedies I have seen lately.
its a satirical comedy ...
Sangbaran Dasgupta I know that! that is why I said it's the wittiest one I have seen lately. But it does have a horror track to it no! it's about ghosts afterall!
Agree with everything you said... except in my opinion Ek Thi Daayan is superb.
The ring gave me chills when I first watched it
The Witch too is a great overlooked horror movie.
You guys need to watch mother! starring Jennifer Lawrence and Javier Bardem. It's a movie that flicks the strings of your mind. Not only does it put you at the edge of your seat, but also pushes you over.
u guys left out 13 B? how can you do that? and 404 error not found was such a nice flick
I donno why you guys missed this bollywood movie , the house next door is a really good attempt to match up hollywood horror movies , although hollywood is also stuck at the same stories of haunted house which is very boring . i was last scared in vastu shatra , never after that .
Atleast someone mentioned the issue of horror movies in india
please discuss other indian genres like romantic comedy, romantic thriller, romantic drama, romantic romantic etc
sound is too low.. please start using mics
A Quiet Place was one of the best horror film i have seen recently
so glad that u saw uturn rahul
13:53 that laugh scared me
Mr.Desai pls come.more big fan
No horror movie discussion would be complete without the mention of M.Night shyamalan's movies, especially SPLIT.i found it very very good.I don't get scared easily n believe me if I say it's scary!
Zee horror show episode in which the guy comes to life just before he is to be put at funeral,n cooks his pet dog for food was really scary to me as a child.
You have not mentioned good movie such as Raat, 13B
and masterpiece like The Sixth Sense,the others, sinister, annabele creation,oculus etc
pls mention them because they are very good
I think Ramsay's did very well with Horror movies - Hotel, Saboot, Samri ( was in 3D that time ) Purana Mandir , Tahkhana ( Infact Hemant Birje was introduced in this movie and had a entry scene like his Tarzan movie ) all these movies were extremely entertaining and fun and worked at box office.
Just to mention movies which are not exactly horror but one call them house of horrors with lots of blood n gore, infact I stopped watching such movies after seeing these - Jack Ketchum's The Girl Next Door, House on the Edge of the Park ( with David hess as crazy villain like never seen) and House of 1000 Corpses and its Part 2 The Devil's Rejects.
It would have been nice if you would have discussed genres like K-Horror and J-Horror besides the American horror genre. Their influence on horror cinema throughout the world has been very significant.
Not as significant as American horror films and European especially early German horror and the 60s 70s British horror
Guys. I'm surprised/shocked whenever Hindi horror is mentioned and there's never any mention of Danny Denzongpa.
He directed a film in the 80's called Phir Wohi Raat & as kids, it's was the MOST terrifying thing we'd ever seen!!!!!!!!
It was psychological and just so scary as hell for its time!!!!!!!
He then starred in Saaya - good God it was disturrrrrrbing!!!!
Such a messed up film about obsession which transcends the physical realm and is truly fucked up.
Time and time again, horror films are discussed, yet inn filmon ka koi bhi mention kabhi nahin hota. They screwed my childhood!!!!!!!!!
'Raat' is the best Indian horror movie even though it is slightly inspired by 'The Exorcist'.
Oh yes, I still get shivers when I recall some scenes from that movie. Sadly not many people know about this movie :(
MrDreamer121 That is sadly true but 90's kids would know.
This hairstyle ... amazing .. half head shaved and half full hairs. This hairstyle deserves oscar and golden globe.
hoow can you talk about horror movies without discussing 404?
par to any of the Hollywood horror movie I have seen