The TRUTH about Tissue Culture
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3:55 This is why we can’t have nice things. Scarcity mindset blows my mind goddamn.
Something that I regret not discussing in this video is that some direct-to-consumer tissue culture labs (and individuals) unethically ship out TC plants in vitro that are 1) not large enough to be acclimated, which results in struggling or dying plants, or 2) obviously contaminated. I have experienced this before and I believe it contributes to the poor reputation of tissue culture. Let me know if you have ever had a similar experience!
I was about to comment that the TC hater actually had a point because commercial operators are most likely pushing product out the door before it is ready
I just got 60- 30 types of in vitro potato plants. They are extremely cheap and if you can handle the IV/TC plants I would always recommend them. Don't just get them, get all plants, but you can't just go to the store and get 30 types
Can you or have you done a video showing the difference between "Monsanto "Korn" vs. TC? You know poison connected to the DNA so the bugs stomach explodes. (humans with food allergies).
This is my experience with tissue cultured aquatic plants. Tropical does an amazing job but they don't sell to a lot of people in the US and Petcos "Imagitarium" brand or whatever is soooo bad, usually nasty infected yellow mushy gel, plants that have sat in the wrong temo and lighting for too long because they treat them like a dry good and not livestock, cups with tiny tiny plants that can't transition to submersed growth (again, these are meant to go underwater in aquariums!)
But tissue cultured IS really great, just not implemented well in this industry yet (wink wink ;3)
Also I did want to say that not all wild caught aquarium fish are unsustainable or preferred over captive bred. Captive breeding again, is important and needs to happen to preserve many species like ones on C.A.R.E.S. list, but some fisheries are equally important to their local economies, like the Amazon fisheries which are mostly very sustainable and prevent the locals from having to do worse extractive industry like cattle ranching which is environmentally devastating to the rainforest.
I just discovered this channel and love it! I have been gardening for about five years and recently turned my attention to flowers instead of vegetables. I’m a research-ohlic and have learned many plants are sterile due to hybridization so they have to be cloned or propitiated. I think that’s where people get confused 🤷♀️. Anyways, thank you so much for the information. I’m new to tissue culture with plants but have grown mushrooms from tissue culture. I had 3 of my 4 jars succeed so there is hope that I might be successful with plants. I watched your diy cloning setup and feel inspired now!
Wow share how did you learn from..website etc
in TC especially at scale with multiple generations of subculturing you can get somaclonal variations where what was once all clones you can accumulate genetic/epigenetic variations from the original plant to the point that they would no longer be identified as a clone. All sorts of changes such as DNA mutation, deletions, translocations, even ploidy-level changes have been observed and epigentic factors can be effected as well. This can be actually a powerful phenomena to generate mass quantities of genetic variants of an individual plant of interest but also can result in line quality problems and genetic instability, etc. Another factor is that the selection criteria for mass scale TC propagation is going to naturally be the plants viability in TC and if a external selection pressure isnt created to maintain the quality of the line once put into soil the somaclonal variations will be pressured towards variants more viable in TC and this can at times not correlate with viability outside of TC. Its super interesting i think and i have a lot more to learn but its crazy the things that can happen if you are producing multiple generations of millions of the same individual a year
Talk more about the tissue culture acclimation period during transplant
In cannabis.
Great video Tissue culture is a fantastic method for propagating plants, especially for designer plants. It not only provides the opportunity to lower costs but also opens the doors to a wider audience to acquire beautiful plants.
we have a successful track record spanning 23 years, we have specialized in applying tissue culture, particularly focusing on designer plants. However, as rightly pointed out in the viewer's comment on your video, there is a grain of truth in the growing concern about inexperienced individuals venturing into tissue culture. Unfortunately, we are witnessing an increasing number of practitioners who handle the process carelessly, often excessively using plant growth regulators (PGR) or selecting improper plant species with genetic mutations or defects. The lack of proper plant selection does indeed result in an imbalance unstable plant, It is crucial to uphold sound practices to ensure the integrity of the plants and maintain the quality of production.
If your theory regarding the “sterile” confusion is correct:
Does that mean those same people believe they risk becoming sterile if exposed to say an operating room? 😂
it's more of a I misunderstood then spread misinformation than "ohhhh plant in sterile environement sor plant sterile"
because they are sterile in the way that they are not contaminated
I'm here for plant enthusiast drama
also the smoothness of someone's brain to believe the "genes can be diluted" is unbelievable
I had no idea such drama existed, this is hilarious!!!🤣. I just started learning about horticulture and plants last year for growing cannabis. First harvest was a success, in the middle of my second now. Definitely subscribing, always looking for new knowledge and perspectives.
Just discovered your channel and I have to say I...think I found my new favorite plant CZcamsr. I'm someone with a research background (when I see Elsevier in the top left corner of a paper I feel all warm and tingly), I always found the TC hate so odd and the reasoning behind it not exactly sound lol. I love that you go into the ethics of TC and how it helps to prevent plant poaching. I never knew it would be possible to grow plants via TC at home, and as someone with a lot of rare plants (I plead the fifth for the ungodly amount of money I spent) your videos are so useful. Now I can hopefully make some money back on my "investments" as I like to call them when I hit that order button on Etsy. Thank you so much for the work you put into these videos!!!
I always appreciate your content and your method of presentation. I’m a retired science teacher and very amateur plant collector. I dabble a bit with TC for fun and you are correct. Keep up the great work!
Thanks so much for all you do in getting the right info out there! I love your channel and will be trying tissue culture in early spring!
You are right, there is nothing wrong with TC plants. They can even be ethically superior.
However, there is thing called "somaclonal variation", which can cause some issues. This happens mostly when using bad TC protocol, example using way too much PGRs.
Aquatic plants don't come with chance of random algae or hitch hikers when setting up a new tank, so there is that advantage
Algae spores are in your water. And in the air. The only way to avoid algae is to not create an environment conducive to its growth, not by "keeping algae out of your aquarium" which is impossible unless your tank is in an industrial clean room and all your water is sterilized. But then fish will still bring it in on their slime coat.
Wow this is an amazing idea you are doing great work from the few videos that I've watched of you you really explain the concept well I didn't know you could do tissue culture wow this is amazing great great videos incredible stuff just incredible thank you for all your hard work that you're putting into this❤
Incredible content, thanks so much for sharing the wisdom 😮 ❤
This is just a new marketing gimmick. It will be like "Organic", "Non-GMO", "All-Natural", etc....These "opinions" come from people who don't do tissue culture themselves and/or don't actually understand the process. If it was "bad"/"didn't work" there wouldn't be thousands of facilities doing it the world over.
facts
@@MrDirkles Why?
@@MrDirkles can you share your protocols / link to any papers you did please? 👉👈
@@MrDirkles What kind of "plant scientist", exactly? Define "naturally developed"? LOL!
@@MrDirkles Then you should know that "Naturally Developed" is "worse"/less predictable and reliable than cuttings/clones. Unless you're looking for genetic variations for breeding purposes, there's no "advantage" to "Naturally Developed" vs. cuttings. On the contrary, if you're spending good money on a plant, better that it come form a Mother of known quality.
Yo I give you a lot of credit, I've not met many who are as well read
How is it that even after your factual and comprehensive explanation of "tissue culture" and "sterile", commenters are still arguing in the comments???
Humans!
Another great vid. Thanks.
I like the content on this channel, great info but why do you act like she's some authority in tissue culture and her word is final? 😂
Finally i found a channel with the same hobby as me :))
Very good video, thank you for it!:D
Special orchids have been propagated by tc for many years. They all bloom, which means they’re not infertile. Greetings from Brazil!
Aww that's cute they learned a new word
I think part of the misconception is from the fact that cloning food crops is bad or can even be catastrophic. They are "genetically weak" in the sense that if one falls to a specific disease or fungus they probably all will (like bananas) because they have no genetic diversity that gives potential for a specific gene to be what allows them to survive the disease. This doesn't matter for house plants. They are house plants. They are pretty decor. They are not all in one spot to easily catch the disease or fungus etc and humans are not relying on them to survive. So it really doesn't matter if they are clones. Also I think she said this but just to reiterate aren't cuttings clones? People are crazy. P.p.s. I'm willing to bet that sancti was a tc or the seeds came from a plant that was tc'd so... 😂
TC plants also won't have the same diversity in their biome making them weaker and less adaptable than cuttings from a natural plant or a plant from seed
@@ottoflouer1750 But for several reasons they don't need that diversity. So they are not actually weak. Your tc plants isn't going to suddenly die in a year or stop growing just because it's tc. And cuttings are clones too. I'm willing to bet 90% of the cuttings and "non tc" plants on the market today are from tc parents. The people saying tc are bad are just using a marketing scheme to charge more.
What are the several reasons you seem to think they dont need that diversity?? You can have your opinion but it doesn't change the fact that when certain endophytes aren't present in a TC plant like in nature they cant fight certain fungal pathogens and pests. Also a cutting is certainly not the same as a TC clone. You can pretend they're the same if that makes life easier for you but at the end of the day its well established that they have certain biological differences and to ignore that is willful ignorance. TC has great applications but its clear people within the industry are working hard to greenwash TC and make it into some sustainability masterpiece of scientific creation.
I dont have any beef with TC but I'm not going to pretend that its a superior to all other methods of plant reproduction and ignore the obvious drawback that are far from secret. Its all about what your application is and sometimes TC isn't the right fit, thats life.
@@ottoflouer1750 it's not that deep. Relax. 💚
@ottoflouer1750 what are the differences between a tissue culture clone and a cutting clone then?
You say that tc plants will likely be weaker to pests and diseases, that's also true for seed-grown ones. Your cloned plant will have the same strengths and weaknesses as the parent plant, but as a nonwild variety it will likely be less resilient.
In terms of symbiotic organisms - you can expose the tc plants to an established plant if you want these to transfer (most wouldn't transfer if you raised a seed in different soil either though)
Once again, we cannabis people know best. In our industry we are fighting for clones, a clone from a quality genetic means you are getting that same quality without all the effort and resource to find it! If there are any fellow cannabis folks out there with amazing genetics.... YES PLEASE.
Fighting for clones?? What are you talking about? 😂 not sure what point you were trying to make...but seen as we're meant to be talking about tissue culture, if you were really keeping up with the top cannabis cultivators you'd know that TC clones are well know to be more susceptible to diseases/pest pressure than even clones from a live mom plant. The TC clones don't have the same diversity in their micro-biome which weaken their defenses against all sorts of pathogens. Also seed plants can't be beaten in terms of health and vigor because of the tap root with is missing in both TC and standard cuttings/clones
3:03 The top of my Philodendron White Princess looked kinda the same lol
Keep fighting the good fight.
It’s so amazing how facts matter 😂 I have to agree, plants are plants, depends on the conditions it’s in and moving too and how. To fast, fail! Thanks for the video! 💚😎💚
I don't care if something comes from tissue culture, I agree with you that it makes a lot of sense to discourage poaching, and I couldn't care less if it effects the rarity based "Value" of plants. THEY ARE PLANTS.
The only thing I don't want is immature plants that I have to deflask. I'm happy to buy a TC that someone else has established, so I don't have to.
Thanks for great video. I've watch your DIY TC videos and encouraged to give it a try after reading up further.
I've bern wanting to do TC culture on freshwater aquarium plants in the hobby, especially Bucephalandra species, an ephiphyte, are sold at exorbitant prices, just a miniscule rhizome of a "rare" type can cost $100 and many are taken from the wild in the jungles of Indonesia.
There is one issue with tissue vs reg clone it can push maturity of plant back as in it it take many years for ex: fruit trees to fruit
Your point about TC reducing poaching is extremely valid and important. However, coming from the cannabis world, there is definitely an observable difference between clones (of any kind) vs. seed grown specimens. Furthermore, caudex plants that are cloned won’t form the caudex part like seed grown ones will and certain plants that are cloned from branches, will “remember” that they are a branch cutting and will never form a main stem.
There is also the aspect of vulnerability to disease vectors when plants are cloned vs. genetic diversity. The banana is perhaps the best example. However this is far less relevant for house plants that essentially spend their existence in isolation.
@@RuggedHamster canabis is an interesting one as the flower grown can viewed and tested for quality :)
Spot on, so much has to be glossed over to pretend there's no differences. Easy to see how most of it doesn't matter when its a couple house plants but at scale in agriculture these things matter
Don't get me wrong that I'm opposed to TC. It's ideally suited to satisfy the needs of the houseplant market and additionally its potential for high clone output can provide the basis for increased and homogenous production in controlled environments (like indoor cannabis). It also provides opportunity in research, due to each specimen being as close to identical as we can currently get. It even offers a reliable way to eradicate disease vectors that may persist and spread when using other forms of propagation. I think it's the perfect counterpart to sexual propagation and both offer their own advantages.
I think RLE Spiritu sancti variegated were obtained via TC but he wanted to gave those plants some kind of "authenticity" like many plant influencers that coincidently also sell plants
In cannabis we use TC cloning to clean cultivars of pathogens and return genetic vigor to tierd old genetics.
TC, similarly to cloning or even breeding, can be done correctly or incorrectly.
The hunt by the consumer should be for the individual or company with solid SOPs working with good genetics that are healthy from the start.
You should have mentioned the difference between animal and plant TC: that parenchyma cells can be reversed to undifferentiated and become stem cells again. There may be confusion if they've heard anything about animal muscle TC that needs structure to adhere to for tissue formation.
I had this same opinion when buying clones (THC). I found that normal clones were healthier and grew faster. I believe this is because of the acclimation period you spoke of. Once grown into mothers I found no difference. 🤙🏻
i think some people are just mad at tc as the "mass" production threw tc with more rare means the plants will start to cost less and people dont want "common" plants as they want to stand out from everyone and show of how much theyre able to spend on plants
@plantsinjars I’ve heard you mention discord a few times , do you have your own discord or is there a tissue culture discord I could join?
I love your videos. I’m currently attempting to clone a 50 year old umbrella tree and these are so much more legit than just sticking it in dirt. Do you have a academic biology background?
Bindi Irwin hat ..nice one..
In the cannabis community we call this "Bro Science" and now you're combatting your version of it. Enjoy.
That was a thing way before weed, its part of gym culture and guys telling you misinformation, like you must drink protein before bedtime or it wont absorb, or doing 4 sets on everything is the best way
Hi I hope you are able to see my comment and explain the observation I saw similar to the white knight in your video except mine was both a florida ghost and florida green.
It would produce tons of buddings even as a young plant, even after cutting it which is a weird behaviour.
Could it be possible that the tissue culture had too much hormones causing to bud?
This is purely my observation I hope that maybe you can help debunk it.
Are TC plants more or less vigorous than a standard seed plant?
Yeah 🎉 another video
@Plantsinjars, @PrettyinGreen just released a video where he talks about how his TC plants have more mutations/variations compared to the plant they came from. Would you say that is typically true? Thanks!
That is impossible how you grow a plant cannot somehow have the capability to rewrite a strand of DNA, that is the same as saying that "cuttings (clones) have more genetic variation when grown in coco coir vs Peat moss". it is technically a sentence, but every word put together is entirely illogical, it only sounds like its smart because they want to sound smart
Are they comparing the same number of test subjects? TC let's you make effectively infinite test subjects of the same individual, so of course if you clone one person a million times and then compared them to say, 20 of their peers, the million clones would have more mutations because you have a larger test group on on side.
Are those people noticing more mutations because TC allows them to propagate the plant more than they would have otherwise?
We truly live in an age where ignorance is king.
I had wondered when I first saw the movie Idiocracy, how prophetic it would be, but I had no idea!
We live in a world in which everyone seems to assume that every opinion is of equal value, regardless of whether it's based upon fantasy or science or actually experience.
The fact that people don't understand tissue culture is the same as making cuttings would be laughable, except for the fact that they end up spending their money foolishly.
Is it true that when doing TC that the TC will be clean of viroids if the sample is taken from the tip of fresh new growth?
They can be cleaned using TC but there's also people outgrowing the hplvd using sup irrigated planters like earthboxes. The fast growth in the sip can outpace the viroid and you can get a clean cut from the tip
the only real possible downside i see is that by everything being a clone, if the original plant has a weakness to a certain illness, then all the clones will be too
buut, for the scale most hobby plants are planted in, it seems incredibly unlikely, and certainly isn't a potential problem exclusive to TC
can TC aquaplant with submerse form ?
This is a great comment section 😂
No pun intended, but I’m green on this plant culture thing. I’ve always taken cuttings. What are the advantages to tissue culture? Also, what’s the best way to mass produce plants? I’m doing Encore Azaleas. Thanks for any comments, I want to get better at this, but I need more knowledge.
Exactly!!!!!! ❤
Dunning-Kruger effect - we've seen a lot of that these past years. I agree - TC plants are only "weaker" during the period in which they acclimatize from being deflasked, and I'm sure the commentators are confusing sterile conditions with infertility.
The real issue I don't see anyone mention is the TC plant doesn't have the same biome as the original plant so its more susceptible to certain pests and pathogens. This is well known. It doesn't mean you cant re-inoculate the TC plant but without doing that their is differences
Nice video ❤!
When. I take my pets to the vets to have them spayed or neutered, Do they become less of an animal?
youre funny haha. never gets old debunking people talking out of their ass on social media. "in their opinion"
Nearly all the negativity about TC is just BS or just some marketing scam.
Diluted genes is single-handedly the funniest thing i've read in a while.
"Oh that's mark, he's got diluted genes, that's why he's transparent"
While tissue culture is an awesome thing and i dont mind it, it has its cons. First from a sellers pov, it rocks the market for plants that are currently "hot". My biggest problem is that it's an exact copy and in cases like monstera thai con, they all carry root rot via Pythium.
It’s so sad how many people are simply afraid of what they don’t understand but then this is the world of people with Facebook degrees
My tissue culture blue basil from Disney World is thriving. My tiger lily not so much. My coleus did not survive the transplant lol. Thats my only experience but i can imagine that tissue culture would have no effect on plant genetics. People are resistant to technology for no reason.
Got beef clones 😂
I could understand a concern about lack of genetic diversity. But this would be the same with cuttings. And does genetic diversity make a meaningful difference with houseplants?
Have you tried creating new plants using somatic hybridization? There are not any good videos on CZcams of the full procedure. I would be scared to ask the guy that thinks the TC genetics can be diluted, what he thinks about humans mixing race.
My very basic understanding of tissue culture is that it's more beneficial than harmful?. ... not sure if this is the right verbiage but you can "clean the genes" via TC, like ridding a plant of a systemic disease? Any truth to this?
I think they associated/misunderstanding hybrid with esteril...
What about plants that _need_ symbiotic relationships? Sterile technique separates them from their symbiot.
I know that applies to some trees , I'm sorry I can't name specific species but you should look into that. There are cases where sterile processing can stunt plants. (Of course if you inoculate their final soil with their native soil they are fine)
The other side of the story is that you can also separate plants from their parasites, good.
That would make an interesting educational video, further expound what is "sterile" so the people that need to see do, but also point out the cases and reasons why a tc plant could be expected to be weaker and why.
(some plants rely on certain bacteria in the soil just like humans have a gut biome)
...and what about legumes?
What about the droid attack on the wookies?
This one of the few arguments about the negatives about TC plants versus wild collected that seems to have some merit. Many plants have evolved a relationship with the microbiome of the environment they evolved in. Mycorrhizal fungi are probably some of the best known but there are loads more, many of which have probably not even been discovered yet. Plants from TC don't have these beneficial microbes.
All that being said, for the vast majority of plants it's not really a necessity for healthy growth.
@@siggyincr7447 well put!
I just think because she has a channel and an audience, she should look into exactly when it applies.
tc = super clean cutting (basically). not that complicated^^
You're cool mate
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Regardless of people's opinions, tissue culture is incredible. It's something out of our league to practice, but to buy cloned plants is pretty cool-tissue culture or not.
Actually anyone can do tissue culture! I have some DIY tutorials about it :)
@@plantsinjars I want to try it out....but doing it in Thailand or Norway? I live in Thailand now. As I understand there is a big TC industri in Thailand.
How about genetic diversity? That's how plants become stronger & more resilient to pests & diseases. That's the #1 downside of TC.
On the other hand, as some mentioned, TC enables the masses to get nice plants, which will usually die within months anyway for lack of adequate care or lack of interest in providing such care, for a really low price. This is how the capitalistic, consumerist economy works. And it's fine. People get nice, exotic plants in their home and are happy, dump these in the trash when dead for aforementioned reasons, and buy a new plant. Businesses which produce cheap TC plants make money. Everyone profits in a way.
I've got a bunch of TC plants/cuttings myself, and very happy about them. I provide them with the most adequate care I can (through a lot of research about their needs). I've also got plants grown from seeds, and these are the jewels in my 'home garden'. My Queen of the Night cactus (Selenicereus grandiflorus), for instance, is an absolute monster. After little more than 2 years, it's gigantic. 100% worth the effort. And the seeds only cost me 2 bucks, from a reputable source (a public-funded succulent garden). My TC/cutting-propagated Christmas cacti thrive just the same. After 2 years, they've grown wonderful & rejoyce me with abundant blooms every year. I've cross-pollinated them and patiently grow their seedlings (but it'll take years & years till I see the results). At the same time, I cull out the weaker ones so I only get strong plants.
All in all, to sum it up: TC is a necessity in our modern world. Just as cross-pollinating plants to produce new, robust, genetically diverse plants. TC is an extension of propagation from cuttings, layering & grafting, as we've done for millenia.
I'm not a biologist or working in any closely related field, just a (hopefully sound minded) plant enthusiast. :)
Thank you this is literally the only legitimate con for tissue culture, Monocropping is a building issue which were definitely going to be talking about more soon
I think people mostly just automatically equate "mass produced" with lower quality, like plants are made from plastic in China.
I came to get a lesson on culture media and almost choked when I heard the one about weak garbage. Are these people aware that tissue culture is the only way to save some important cultivars from viral infections that cause genetic drift resulting in the afore mentioned weak and mutant state. Do they know that trig and the celestial bodies prove the planet is round yet? Did they find out that nearly every palatable fruit is the direct result of genetic modification via induced crosspollination, some fruit like mangos took 5,000 years of pollination, observation of phenotypic response led to what we currently recognize as an edible mango. Being mangos are not true from seed, the resultant fruit is rarely edible and are only planted as rootstock to graft an eye from a cultivated mango tree(tissue culture on rootstocks) . Some GMO and Dr. Frankenstein tissue culture from a couple millennia ago which is still the way mango trees are propagated. Come to receive knowledge she is sharing with us taking her loads of time to film and edit (watch footage from at least 2 cameras repeatedly to make a 20 minute video from hours of footage) with an open mind instead of playing follow the leader in the comments.
Ignorance is not bliss, but chosen stupidity!
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Can you microwave your contaminated jar and or Lazer the contamination.... Can I do trees...
As a commercial greenhouse grower who really has his hand in all areas of propagation (cutting, TC, wholesale/resell and Import...) I see both sides of this and both sides have some validity. I import plants from Thailand and they look extremely different than the plants that are grown in tissue culture. The greenhouse there that I buy from only props from cuttings. They have multiple acres under shade of nothing but very old/mature mother plants and multiple acres of plants growing from cuttings. There is a night and day appearance of the plants I get from them and the tissue culture plantlets I buy from commercial/hobby tissue culture companies. I have some OG painted ladies from a few years back and the 2023 painted ladies that I got from tissue culture have a much different look to them, including leaf shape. The one thing I have found is that the plants from Thailand can have a higher susceptibility to root rot than my matured TC plants have. A lot of the plants grown from cuttings are "end cut" and therefore more mature than a TC plantlet that is only a few months old. I think the biggest negatives for the TC industry is companies like Costa Farms and LeafJoy has ruined the perception of TC plants because their entire chain of custody is mostly big box stores who cannot take care of plants. They choose plants who's generations have been from TC and only TC. A today's pink princess from TC that you get from Costa and other places look nothing like the pink princess from 3 years ago. That throws people off. What we are doing now is making explants from the "old world" stock that we import and are doing our own revival of stocks that are more traditional looking. I will tell you that my older looking painted lady looks a million times better than the new versions that are available. TC is only a method of making plants and not an actual plant, people seem to forget that.
There needs to be pushback. It is even more egregious because thennon-scientifically literate public think it's genetic engineering (which is also inherently neutral). There is a part of me that think it's too late and a rebranding is in order, but there is also a part of me that thinks this shit has to stop and I won't cede an inch.
Only downside I can see is if you get a linage that is so successful the majority of the plants of that species are tissue culture or cutting from that linage, you lose genetic diversity in the species.
Not a downside for the individual plant, but a downside in the long run (especially if it's a food crop)
By 'sterile' they Most likely mean 'not having the immune system to sustain' and I asked myself the Same Thing while having bought a 2$ philodendron to See for myself.
It seems like most folk who are discussing the word sterile as a bad thing among tissue culture plants are mixing up the two different contexts the word is used in. The comments specifically mention reproduction, flowers, cross-pollination and seeds. Which, imo, indicates they are misunderstanding and mixing up "a clean environment" with "unable to sexually reproduce".
Well, it IS a bad thing if your plant can't sustain by itself because it is suddenly exposed to germs it can't fight. I see a follow-up video there.
@@David-eg6sd It could be, but you seem to have a particular topic in mind and don't really seem interested in the topic the video is about or this particular misconception. A lot of people would like to discuss it and you are very much muddying the waters of the conversion by trying to tell everybody what those people are actually saying.
@@Stephen... They are genetically identical, that is why I sorted that out in the first try. People most likely want to know why their plants keep dying.
@@David-eg6sd Are you immune to engaging with the words people say or does reply to you mean just ignore what the other person says and try to make a point you want to make?
Outdoor plants get smacked around by the weather, and it stimulates the growth hormone where it needs it and becomes stronger. Houseplants are always frailer and it really helps them if you blow a fan at them a lot, but I don't know what you could do to simulate wind for a plant growing in a jar. Acclimate it carefully, is all. The people who complain about tissue culture are just brown thumbs. 😁
You go girl! lobby that Tc, it's abit odd it's like the seed makers/cloners are going to war with you people
An opinion is I like it or hate it not whether or not its weaker or not that would be either a fact or fiction and if it's fiction you stop.
I am at work and visibly cringed when hearing the part about "diluting the genes"
People can be so confidently wrong it's hilarious
When you ignore basic biology people can convince themselves of all sorts of things haha
An apalling grade of ignorance to say that a non tissue culture cutting is somehow a more real plant than a tissue culture... cutting...
Yeah people don't get that cloning is just tissue culture with more time and less steps 😂
Well they don't have the same micro-biome so they're not exactly the same. Genetically they have the same DNA but there is differences
@ottoflouer1750 explain the differences in their "micro-biome", cause that is just patently false, I don't think you understand how bacteria, fungus, and plants interact at all the, the biological components that affect your grow are the ones you yourself introduce. A TC plant can sustain all the same biological activity that a non tc plant can, they are literally just at different stages of life. They are literally only different in the same way you are different from a fetus.also you obvdont know anything about chemicals the difference between chemical and organics (rather the lack of one) nor do you have any real knowledge on plants and they're macro and micro nutrients
They're not at different stages of life😂 and I didn't say you couldn't introduce all the same fungi or bacteria to the TC plant of course you could. That doesn't change the fact that a TC clone fresh from the tube and a clone from a plant will have different endophytes present 🤷♂️ its not opinion its just fact and to over look that is being obtuse or willfully ignorant. And that fetus comparison is a bit silly, would a seedling not be the fetus instead of a chemical hormone treated clump of cells from another plant?? The seedling is the fresh start of that new genetic combination from both parents like a fetus....anyway its super strange how combative people are around this discussion when one side is just trying to make a distinction while the other side denys the clear differences. Nothing scientific about putting your head in the sand
@ottoflouer1750 because there isn't really much of a concrete difference you are trying to make the divide between them sound like a canyon when it's more like an inch or 2 and you are being extremely disingenuous saying the endophytes are different. You evidently don't know what that term actually means, the endophytic activity is different plant to plant and different at each life stage trying to say the endophytic activity makes them vastly different from eachother is the same as saying "two cloned tomatoe plants are vastly different from eachother because of their different soil biology" like yeah technically they are different but not in any meaningful way from a DNA or health based perspective. The fetus analogy still works you are trying to purposefully confuse it they are most definitely differentlife stages (even further evidence of the tactics you have to use to make your side sound even slightly credible) even if the term fetus can be analogous to a seed for a metaphor, that is irrelevant to the fact that the term fetus can still perfectly fit this scenario as well also you obv dont know anything about chemicals the difference between chemical and organics (rather the lack of one) nor do you have any real knowledge on plants and they're macro and micro nutrients, also you never explained what the actual difference was you just said the word endophytes expecting that to win
Don't the plant growth regulators cause DNA mutations that could lead to weaker offspring?
Issue Culture :D
Even clones are weaker ❤
Aren't there at least two possible issues with TC plants: (1) reaching something LIKE the Hayflick limit in older lines and (2) standard monoculture parasite risks?
The "Hayflick theory" refers to human cells and is indeed a "theory". "standard monoculture parasite risks" does not apply to individual plants but rather, applies to the cultivation of large crops of a single species. Plucking these impressive sounding terms out of scientific papers without any basis of understanding just makes you look stupid.....
As a horticulturist I think the "home gardening/ growing" culture is one of the most toxic on the internet, perhaps even worse than the fitness/ lifting crowd. Is there a difference between cloned and seed grown plants? Yes, mostly around the structure of the stem and roots which probably only is significant if you are growing a tree that you intend to grow outdoors. When it comes to cuttings vs tissue culture you will likely have more problems with bugs if you buy a cutting, just saying.
Never take that off looks good on you
i'm not well versed in TC. it obviously it has its big place in plant propagation. tats why im interested. but it seems it does have tendency to incur DNA mutation when different concentration of hormones are used. this is made obvious to me when tc results in variegated plants. 🤔
It's the same group of people that are anti gmo.
TC plants are crap if the plant naturally has a tapp root from seed. As a professional, commercial Fruit tree grafter, I have watched our nursery create TC Lab. I am waiting for the fallout with citrus TC plants, like I said, No tapp root ! We have farmers that buy these by the 100's, sometimes 1000's. 1 big windy storm and they will all fall over !!
It doesn’t really work like that since the plant simply picks one root to be tap root, it doesn’t need to come from a seed to do that
"TC is bad because it decreases rarity" is such a gross thing to say. It tells everyone the only thing you care about is the monetary value of your plants and nothing more. Plants should not be rare (especially when it's humans making them rare) and if we can help them survive and be further away from extinction why is that bad lol
You can keep pathogens away with TC plants.
You can't keep them away, you can remove systemic infections and clean plants but after it leaves the lab its on its own
The Anti-TC people are the exact group of people that think GMOs are satan 😂
A little bit of knowledge can be a bad thing.