JOOLA Pickleball Perseus Paddle Setup with Lead Tape & Overgrip | Ben Johns
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- How Ben personally sets up his JOOLA Ben Johns Perseus CFS 16 Pickleball Paddle, plus links to the lead tape and grips he uses. The total weight of the final product is roughly 8.5-8.6 oz. On average, Ben will change out the Yonex Overgrap once every 1-2 matches during a tournament.
Timestamps:
0:00 Intro
0:32 Step 1: Overgrip
2:28 Step 2: Lead Tape
5:16 Step 3: Electrical Tape
7:09 Paddle Weight Explained
Equipment:
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Overgrip: amzn.to/42wcvqo
Lead tape: amzn.to/3NtA5zA
Electrical tape: amzn.to/3X5zhnG
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That's awesome, I will use this on my next Joola perseus paddle. Thanks Ben🥰
I got my paddle yesterday and was out playing with it thirty minutes later!
I had a couple of air balls, but it was great! To be expected getting used to it. Firm, pops nicely, handle feels good, well rounded feeling! I like it!
, hey Ben I was just going out to play a couple games and I decided to just check out your video for serving and forehand and my God it changed my game completely in about 5 minutes I thank you very much you're awesome dude.
Thanks for showing us!!!
Tried this on my Electrum E. Volleys are much more solid. Thanks!
Thanks for this! i actually set my Legacy up the exact same way . love the feel. can't wait to try the Perseus!
I also have a Legacy Pro and I like it stock, about 8 oz. I plan to get a second one and then experiment with lead tape. Ben's video looks like a great place to start.
Appreciate giving the total weight. Even though we all have r preferences.
weight added to the sides really made a difference on my Costa paddle. The Costa has a lot of grit and I like to spin the ball. That added weight helped me when I was a little off center.
Nice! Can see the engineer in you!
You can smooth down the lead tape with the side of a Sharpy marker or something round like that.
Great advice. I’ve been using the leg of my dining room table. A sharpie sounds for more convenient.
Eye opening
I just switched from tennis and watch a lot of your clips, to pick up the net game. I was wondering why my paddle feels dead on the dinks :)
Ben I play the gearbox g2 I play the same led tape, would you mind talking about tips from shifting from TT
Ben, sorry if I missed this. How often do you re-tape the lead and electrical?
EDIT: it seems like the linked lead tape has been updated from 2g/inch to 1g/inch
Original:
The linked lead tape is likely the wrong weight just like in the last video. I hope we can get confirmation on this as I know multiple people who have been affected by buying that tape and testing it out and ending up with something way too heavy.
He said the lead tape adds about 0.5 ounces to the paddle weight, that's 14.1748 grams.
14.1748/2 = 7.0874 grams per side
7.0874/2 = 3.5437 grams per strip (since there are 2 strips stacked on each side)
3.5437/5 = 0.70874 grams per inch.
I'm assuming the linked tape is wrong instead of Ben being wrong because he's probably weighed his paddle before and after.
The common lead tape weights I've seen in grams per inch are 0.5, 1, and 2.
The 0.70874 may be including the added weight from the grip tape and electrical tape since his 0.5 ounce value sounded like it was derived from weighing the paddle after the completed setup.
So that means the closest lead tape weight would be the 0.5 grams / inch which is 4x lighter than what you'd get if you used the (OLD) linked lead tape at 2g/inch.
I'm also kind of surprised as a former engineer he eyeballed the first 5 inch cut and eyeballed the alignment on each side meaning there will be some inconsistency each time he sets this up. It is annoying to try to measure spots on the edge guard though, it would be awesome if a company put some small measurement markings on the edge guard to make it easier to test out different lead tape alignments.
You forgot to include the overgrip in your calc as well. Yonex SuperGraps weight 5 grams untrimmed. He tears off a bit so the overgrip is probably 4 of those 14 grams leaving only 10 grams of lead tape. This just further confirms he's using 1/2 gram/inch lead tape.
I'd be willing to bet he's using 0.5g / inch lead tape. If the final paddle weight is coming in at around 8.5-8.6 oz, thats the only feasible way to explain the final weight with that many strips of lead tape. Whoever is running his YT channel needs to get on the same page as BJ lol
Based on Pickleball Studio’s video on lead tape, adding 19.8” of 1 gram per inch lead = 0.7oz. A cheat sheet is provided in that video.
The bigger question to me is why add two layers of tape when you can buy tape that is twice as heavy? The only thing I can think of is that he wants the option to adjust down if we wants and doesn't want to have to keep multiple weights in his bag.
What's the logic in using 1/2" over 1/4" tape? Spread out the weight distribution? Given how everything is eyeballed with his measurements, you'd think that level of precision with the weight distribution wouldn't be a consideration.
@@luke9822 I think it's because on the hyperion he used to use 2 layers on the throat but 1 layer on top, but if he had a heavier tape for one layer then he wouldn't be able to use the length of tape he wanted on the top corners without it being too heavy.
But now, with the perseus being more powerful, he doesn't use the one layer at the top corners, but still just uses the same tape he has around.
From personal subjective experience, I think the half inch feels better with the weight spread out more evenly on the edge. But it's easy to wrongly attribute some bad feeling to that when it's actually just your play or something else. Idk if Ben chose that wider tape intentionally, or just chose the most popular option available, which is 1g or 2g at 1/2 inch.
Using the Vision as my first paddle at 75 years . 5 months into the game and think I need to add lead tape to the top for more power. Try that before a drop the bucks for the Perseus.
I’ve seen some people run the electrical protection tape up to the middle of the handle. And then they put the re grip on. Is that a normal thing to do?
Can you put lead tape on the handle at the top
Anyone experiment with multiple over grips ? I currently have 4 on my paddle to alleviate squeezing and mitigate elbow pain
@BenJohns Its funny. Last night I added a little more lead to balance out my Perseus paddle. Played pretty well and loved how it felt on all shots. Today I run across this video and... I taped the paddle almost identical to how you tape yours. Now if I could just remain even more calm at the net, we'll be in business.
What is the blue band on your wrist ?
Just got me the Perseus finally, huge upgrade from the budget paddles people swear are as good. I did have a question on why you use 2x strips of 1/2g per inch instead of 1 strip of 1/g per inch lead tape, just what you had on hand?
0.5 speead out the weight more along the edge than 1 g. More flowing weight distribution.
Great setup video! Thanks for posting. One thing, I wear latex gloves when using lead tape. Same logic as covering exposed tape with electrical tape…
I saw you were handling the lead tape with your bare hands. Isn't lead toxic? Ideally you should be using gloves right?
In your opinion. Is it better to go for a low powerful serve or a serve with more height?
Pro tip: You can figure this out yourself by watching any of the thousands of examples of him serving from game footage.
Everything depends on how you want to do it. Keep mixing it, but have one server that you think you have more control, as you main serve. Other needs to be used as a surprise package or for confusing opponent. At above 3.5 level, most serves are returned, so there is not much difference
Does Collin setup his paddle the same way with his Scorpeus?
Probably not
@@colesherman3961how do you think collin would set up his paddle?
@@cadevanetten4838 you know, i am not too sure. But a good google search or CZcams search might have what you are looking for. I hope you find it! I just bought Collins scorpious so i might have to look that up soon!
@@colesherman3961thank you because i have a standard paddle shape aswell and i can’t find any thing in how people set up a standard shape because all of them have elongate paddles
Hey Ben, why did you switch back to the Perseus Alpha 1?!? You have to have heard by now, a ton of people who bought a Perseus are freaking out. They’re thinking the paddle is different than the version they purchased with the new graphics. And that you’re not happy with it so you switched back to your Alpha 1’s…..
My handle shape was slightly different in that version and it was what I was used to. I’ll be using the new graphic soon enough as soon as I get the handle shape right
A quick question to everyone...If Ben answers it, even better. Does adding an overgrip change the way the paddle plays? I understand it might add a little weight. But should it change the behavior like lead tape does or does it not impact at all?
It will add some weight in the handle, shifting the overall balance/swingweight slightly. So in that sense it changes. But also the lower down the weight the less the weight physically affects the ball. So not much overall significant difference .
@@BenJohns_pb Thanks Ben for the reply... You and Anna lee are my fav players and the idols i look fwd to :)
I’ve always wondered why paddle, racket, and golf club companies have never really come up with a comparable substitute for lead tape.
you can find tungsten tape but i think it's a little bit lighter and a tad more expensive.
Selkirk sells tungsten tape and it works quite well. I would never touch lead with my bare hands
Lead tape is not toxic of itself; you’d hafta eat it. Just hand washing works fine.
*I might be a smartER guy if I hadn’t CHEWED lead foil as a kid….? HA
what is the swing weight at the prior to your setup and afterwards........?
Best question
What’s the purpose of lead tape?
Is the lead tape .25 gram per inch? The amazon link is 2 gram per inch.
Hey! Thanks for commenting. The lead tape used is 1/2 an inch in width and 1 gram per inch. See the link here: amzn.to/3NtA5zA
@@BenJohns_pb Thanks for the response, appreciate it
If the lead tape is 2 gram per inch and you put on 4 strips that are 5 inches you are adding 40 grams. If 1 oz is approx 28 grams you put on more than 1 oz? So if the paddle starts about 8 when you are all done isn't closer to 9 oz or even a little more?
Lead tape comes in different densities. I have some at .5 G per inch
Based on Ben using 20 inches of lead tape he is definitely using 0.5g/in lead tape which would contribute 0.35oz. The over grip and electrical tape would add the remainder to bring the paddle to 8.5/6oz. Seems like we could save some time by purchasing 1gm/in lead tape and only cutting two five inch strips. Thanks for sharing Ben!
@@sachr6 where did you find some? I can’t find any
Hey! Thanks for commenting. The lead tape used is 1/2 an inch in width and 1 gram per inch. See the link here: amzn.to/3NtA5zA
@BenJohns_pb is your hyperion the same setup?
Which lead tape is this
I'm confused, you added a total of 40 grams (2 grams /inch x 4 x 5") = 1.4 oz + .3 oz for tape = 9.7 oz.?
Yeah, I'm really confused about that as well. It would be nice to know what weight per inch.
I don't think it's 2g per inch tape
Hey! Thanks for commenting. The lead tape used is 1/2 an inch in width and 1 gram per inch. See the link here: amzn.to/3NtA5zA
@@BenJohns_pb thanks!
Really appreciate you posting this for the new paddle! Was very curious what your new setup was
Adding weight can make your paddle more stable on off center hits. But, if this is the case, why does Ben Johns, who is the best player in the world, not just have the paddle manufacturer add the weight to the paddle itself so it is not necessary to add it. They would do anything he asked. Curious.
I have always wondered the same
They don’t for a few reasons one, content so they can show videos of how he does his paddle. Also pro players change how their put their lead tape on often so if it’s not working next weekend he might move it to the top or take a strip off. And third joola wants people to be able to buy his same exact paddle. Better for selling a brand when I can buy my favorite players exact paddle.
The reason they don’t do it in production is that not all players would want it as heavy as I do. The reason they don’t do it for me personally is that I prefer to do it myself as I can customize things more, shift the weight around in different conditions, and experiment at times.
yonex makes best overgrip used for tennis
If Joola sold the "Custom setup Ben Johns paddle" version of this, they could make an extra $25 easily.
I’m assuming you mean selling a lead tape and edge guard “kit”….because they aren’t going to modify production for just a “Ben johns version paddle”. Not cost effective…
why add over grip ? to protect the handle ?
Because you can keep changing it out every 3 to 4 games. Over grips are easy to change out versus the standard grip.
You should play with the correct grip thickness dependent on your hand size.
Do you have same paddle setups for singles and doubles? Just curious…
Curious also
Yep
Do you set up your paddles the same for singles and doubles?
Yes
Fastest hands in the west.
I can confirm this is straight up wrong. I have the Perseus and I put 5 inches of 1g/in lead tape on each side exactly like Ben and the paddle came in at 8.71 oz. Ben has double the amount of lead tape so that would put you over 9oz. I’m not sure how he says his paddle comes in at 8.5-8.6 oz.
I did the same math and he’s adding 20g of lead. Four 5-inch strips, 1 g/ inch. 20g of lead equals an additional .71 ounces plus the weight of the super grap. so I agree with you, the math in the video is wrong
@@TheAgaveSpirit I only had 10g of lead tape and the overgrip and mine was 8.71. If I add another 10g (.35oz) that would put it at 9.06pz which is way over 8.5-.6. Idk not adding up.
I wonder if he is using .5g/inch and the link is wrong.
@@TheAgaveSpirit I think that would be the only explanation but Ben even said 1g/inch lead tape. He could be mistaken obviously. Ben should redo the video with a scale haha
Yeah it’s definitely 0.5G lead, I wonder why he doesn’t use 1G lead tape with just 2 strips though
Never released a video for the Hyperion? You must of really hated that paddle Ben
There was definitely a release of how he set it up. it was very similar to the way he set up his old paddle. but the video is gone now for some reason
Hey! Thanks for commenting. Here's the link to how I personally set up the Hyperion paddle: instagram.com/p/Cr6ekVNMuC0/
@@BenJohns_pb hey ben or ben's youtube moderator, if you do the led tape and electrical tape before you put the over grip on it cleans up the the whole operation.
@@BenJohns_pb Thanks!
Hi Ben. Can you send me the paddle you just showed us😂
That's how thor hammer made
What’s the purpose of lead tape
You are adding weight. This can make your paddle more stable on off center hits. But, if this is the case, why does Ben Johns, who is the best player in the world not just have the paddle manufacturer add the weight to the paddle itself so it is not necessary to add it. They would do anything he asked. Curious.
@@RSH137 Because adding lead tape is such a common practice among even just decent amateur pickleball players, that the manufacturer understands correctly that players prefer to handle it themselves, just like any other aftermarket customizations (overgrip, etc). I know I do. It clearly doesn't take much longer than a couple minutes, and it's kinda relaxing.
@@RSH137 Also, the stability you are referring to is due to the increased twist weight when lead tape is added to the sides. Other players prefer to add lead tape to the far top end, which increases the swing weight more than the twist weight, making your hand speed slower (think of a hammer, with all the weight at he end), but also makes your shots much more powerful. So it's a compromise and different players prefer different settings, and different paddles favor different tweaks as well.
3:43 Ohhh yeah, avoiding lead exposure is such a "fancy" step lolol wtf?
I'm new to the game, why use the overgrip?
I think for bigger hands. so it does not feel like you holding a pencil. someone told me that at a PB camp one of Bens paddles had popsicle sticks to make the handle larger....who knows
You would think joola would make the paddle that has your name on it to your exact specifications so you don’t have to add lead
It's actually preferred to add weight as he can change it if needed
differen't climates = different lead weight.
I like the flexibility to alter it if need be
Added weight to the throat ?! 😲 C'mon Ben. Btw isn't this your own model paddle, and shouldn't it be designed to your specs?
I can confirm this does not work at the 3.0 level.
HAhaha
As a older brother I bet Collin does something different just to not have it like Ben
Thats why he also has a different paddle from Joola now :)
Lose the music, definitely annoying